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Jack5

The Stephieboys at 11.31:

… when did I we say I we supporterd [sic.] the Saudis?

Well do you support Assad, Stephieboys? If not, which faction of rebels do you guys back?
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November 19, 2015 11:36am
Jack5

Fair enough Scott (11.34). Another time.

Re your 11.32 about the changing meaning of “white”.

Not so long ago, I heard and Englishman try to taunt a Scot with: “Scotch infantry and white officers, the finest fighting units in the world.”
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November 19, 2015 11:37am
stephieboy

blazeoflight, would it be fair to describe you as a neo Nazi ?

Jack 5, I support the moderate faction which Putin and Assad are attempting to destroy as well as ISIS.

Where do you stand ?
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November 19, 2015 11:38am
blazeoflight

Jack5

Don’t deceive by distortion.

The Saudi rulers are savage because its their tool of repression, and we aid and abet them, even as they aid and abet ISIS.

Clear and simple?
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November 19, 2015 11:39am
blazeoflight

stephie

You would need to explain just wtf one of those is.

Time for lunch.
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November 19, 2015 11:40am
Scott Hamilton

Hi Jack, I had enough of the problems of Marxist theory when I was writing my PhD thesis and the deathless book based upon it
http://www.manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/cgi-bin/indexer?product=9780719089091

It’s extraordinarily difficult to sum up Marx and his impact on the world in a short space. Marx was to modern thought what Miles Davis was to jazz – he arrived early and kept moving between instruments and genres, and did almost everything there is to do in his career, without ever finally deciding on one approach. The Marx who wrote the Communist Manifesto is utterly different from the Marx of Capital, and both are different to the very late Marx (my favourite). There are Marxists on both sides of virtually every issue today. Some of the Iraq war’s biggest supporters and biggest opponents were Marxists.

And I don’t like the idea of identifying myself by sticking an -ism on the end of any proper noun.

I held onto Marx’s base-superstructure model for social relations and change – the notion that a society’s culture and future is determined ultimately by its economic foundations – until I found myself in the tropical Pacific and thought ‘how the hell can Marx explain why the Papuan people invented gardening five thousand years ago, but didn’t develop a society like those in Sumer or Egypt’ as well as ‘how the hell can Marx explain why capitalism can’t break through and achieve dominance in Tongan society and put the old economy to bed, despite all its resources and its local PR men’.

In short I think Marx’s thinking up until near the end of his life is too Eurocentric and teleological. Here’s a very heavy blog post about all this: http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2007/09/ep-thompson-on-marx-apostasy-or.html You can see why my book wasn’t a bestseller.

Here’s a post I did a while back about the low standards of Marx scholarship at Kiwiblog: http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/david-farrar-discovers-communism.html

Whatever I think of Marx, though, I’m a dyed in the wool lefty.
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November 19, 2015 11:51am
Gabby

So the Turks and Greeks still don’t love each other much. Pommie crowds get quite inventive over Hillsborough and Heysel too. That’s sarker for you.
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November 19, 2015 12:01pm
KevinH

Personally I’m not bothered the Turks cheered at the soccer match. I save my support for French Police who killed the terrorists last night. Now that’s worth cheering for.
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November 19, 2015 12:26pm
Jack5

Scott:

Thank you for that piece at 11.51 on your philosophy and on Marx.

You may be a “dyed in the wool Lefty”, but your a deep-thinking one and a good bloke.

I was a Lefty when I was young, but came to think of it as another Utopianism, and abandoned it. I’m sceptical of all forms.
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November 19, 2015 12:56pm
Gabby

I assume information re the Saudi Sheep Massacre is ‘commercially sensitive’ because it wouldn’t do for other trading partners to know just how wide Munter McMutton’s cheeks will spread.
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November 19, 2015 1:03pm
ex-golfer

I am totally confused by the oppositions stance on the deportees being returned to NZ.

Last week Labour/Greens were concerned for the deportees “human rights” whilst being detained, now they are dubbing the charter plane bringing some of them back to NZ as “ConAir”.

Are they trying to fool 100% of the people 100% of the time?
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November 19, 2015 1:09pm
stephieboy

Jack5, including the current “ism”, Libertarianism ?
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November 19, 2015 1:11pm
itstricky

Last week Labour/Greens were concerned for the deportees “human rights” whilst being detained, now they are dubbing the charter plane bringing some of them back to NZ as “ConAir”.

You don’t understand the intricacies of human rights, do you?
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November 19, 2015 1:24pm
Scott Hamilton

Cheers Jack. For what it’s worth, my research has been funded for the past three months by one of NZ’s corporate high flyers. I’m not sure whether we’d agree on the finer points of Marxist theory, but I’m grateful that he’s let me use one of his houses and paid me a stipend to write a short book about NZ’s role in the Pacific slave trade of the 19th century. And my research more generally is being greatly assisted by the Auckland property boom, from which my family has fortuitously benefited. I suppose we all have to live with contradictions, and that we are all contradictory…
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November 19, 2015 1:24pm
rangitoto

“I am totally confused by the oppositions stance on the deportees being returned to NZ.”

They seemed to have forgotten the crim hugging in parliament yesterday. Instead the greens were hating on cows and labour were defending the rights of sheep.
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November 19, 2015 1:26pm
ex-golfer

@itstricky
I probably understand intricacies a hell of a lot better than you.

You obviously feel its OK to call the flight they are on “ConAir”? You agree therefore they should be considered convicts?

Or is that too intricate in thinking for your warped mind?
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November 19, 2015 1:30pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R00VBj5ehk
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November 19, 2015 1:43pm
wikiriwhis business

France has just introduced martial law.

Watch our govt construct internment centres to detain st people and unemployed under the guise of securing detainees from Oz. In next term
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November 19, 2015 1:46pm
waikatogirl

If any aren’t aware, Richie McCaw has resigned from playing rugby.

He has accepted a position flying helicopters for a Christchurch company
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November 19, 2015 1:50pm
Awww C-mon

“He has accepted a position flying helicopters for a Christchurch company”

Richie is Starboard!! Explains so much about the relationship Dad and Starboard have!!
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November 19, 2015 2:30pm
Manolo

A good article on this cyberbattle:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/18/what-can-anonymous-really-do-to-isis.html
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November 19, 2015 3:05pm
Manolo

The Messiah gave a lamentable and forgettable performance.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4619813556001/president-obamas-response-to-paris-attacks-too-cavalier-/?#sp=show-clips
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November 19, 2015 3:09pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN8m4osse38
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November 19, 2015 3:12pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

To those advocating “total war” against muslims: I assume that you guys will be putting yourselves on the front line? Not sitting safely at home watching the titillating gore on television. If you want to advocate or support such a policy then it is only right that you be the ones who put you lives on the line to enact it.
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November 19, 2015 3:13pm
Manolo

The barbarian Muslims retaliate:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/isis-photos-two-murdered-hostages-norwegian-chinese-airstrikes

The Norwegian prime minister has said it had no reason to doubt that Isis had murdered one of its citizens held hostage in Syria, as the terrorist group dug into its de facto capital of Raqqa as French, Russian and US airstrikes intensify.

Images of the dead Norwegian, identified as Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad, 48, were published in the latest issue of the Isis magazine Dabiq along with photographs of a second murdered hostage identified as a Chinese citizen.
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November 19, 2015 3:14pm
Manolo

Longknives and big bruv were the first individuals to congratulate Richie McCaw after his announcenment.
Loyal admirers to the end.
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November 19, 2015 3:17pm
mikenmild

I hope Richie gave due thanks to D4J in his retirement announcement.
“Couldn’t have done it without my best friend”
“Was inspired to be a flanker after seeing D4J outplay Jock Hobbs in that famous age-grade trial”
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November 19, 2015 3:17pm
Reid

The PNAC Plan to Destabilize the Middle East

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzX3DfZR_1c

Murderous neocon bastards.
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November 19, 2015 3:23pm
Fletch

A former member of Al Qaeda reckons Paris was just a test and to watch for something in the next two weeks..

A former member of Al Qaeda in Yemen warned Tuesday that a terror attack is likely within the next two weeks.

Morten Storm, an ex-terrorist who later became a double agent for the CIA, told Fox News host Megyn Kelly that he believes an attack is imminent.

“I believe that within the next two weeks, we will have an attack,” he said.

Storm added, “The people who are on the run at the moment from ISIS in Europe are very desperate, and they know their time’s up, and they will need to do as much damage as possible.”

(video at link)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/17/former-al-qaeda-terrorist-offers-chilling-warning-another-attack-coming-within-the-next-two-weeks/
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November 19, 2015 3:34pm
LegioXII

‘France has just introduced martial law.’

Good.
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November 19, 2015 3:37pm
blazeoflight

I find this very hard to believe:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11547932

Even with a few years of achieving Gold Card status under my belt, once a week is still starvation rations, but even in my forties I was still a 5 or so a week guy. Every second night and twice on weekends was my mantra for those later decades!

Just saying.
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November 19, 2015 3:45pm
LegioXII

Scott Hamilton’s quote from the Atlantic Centurion is out of context. The description of ‘White Supremacy’ along with other names leftists like to trot out was not a description of the web sites view, but contrasting the label with what AC actually believes, which is simply White Identity, which does not mean that White people are superior to other groups.

Being a devotee of Marx, SH’s deliberate deception is understandable.

ALL ethnic groups naturally seek the survival and freedom of their groups. Almost nobody sees this as bad, unless Whites do so, then it is “racist.” This double standard can be clearly seen with the Maori Party. It has not caused an outcry from leftists or the race relations council that we have a party based on ethnic identification and that seeks the betterment of that ethnic group. Nor should it. Why then cannot White people do the same?

The answer is, anti-White racism masquerading as ‘anti-racism.’

As a general answer to some of the very stupid claims being made about me above; I am not a Neo-Nazi. I am not a White Supremacist. I do not believe that White people are inherently better than any other ethnic group. I do not hate Jews. No source I use wants to wipe Jews out.

If you want to see REAL white supremacy and Neo-Nazism go to Stormfront or the Daily Stormer. I do not post from such sites and never will, neither do I read them.

The reaction to ANY kind of pro-White Identity views is telling about the real racism in today’s society.
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November 19, 2015 3:46pm
stephieboy

Reid, yet another of your risable False Flag crises actors , ‘intact “passport , wrong time stamp ( foreknowledge ) etc jouney into conspiracy idiocy ?
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November 19, 2015 3:59pm
Reid

We created Islamic extremism: Those blaming Islam for ISIS would have supported Osama bin Laden in the ’80s

Jingoists conveniently forget the West’s Cold War strategy was to arm the Islamic extremists that became al-Qaida

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_the_80s/

Of course they would.

Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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November 19, 2015 4:12pm
stephieboy

Legio X11,

but this is not very encouraging ,
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1 Jews don’t see themselves as White.
2 Jews believe in fighting racism, which is a proxy for fighting against White people.
3 The proxy is actually really shitty and transparent since they’re calling it “whiteness.”
4 Jewish culture is inherently leftist on issues pertaining to its hosts and conservative pertaining to itself.
5 Wake the fuck up goyim.
6 Go read TOO and the Daily Stormer.
7 And of coursh, TheRightStuff.biz ”

https://atlanticcenturion.wordpress.com/2015/09/25/rabbi-says-jews-should-renounce-whiteness-and-double-down-on-anti-racism/

And this link Atlantic Centurion provides is interesting and appears to contradict your claim ,

http://www.dailystormer.com
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November 19, 2015 4:13pm
Shawn Herles

“We created Islamic extremism”

ISIS is just Islam. We did not create Islam.
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November 19, 2015 4:22pm
Reid

The Mainstream Media is doing all it can to avoid addressing the obvious: naming, dissecting and damning ISIS’s major backers and supporters. There are no such informative and sanguine reports being penned or published by the elite media; they are instead too busy gatecrashing the funerals of the fallen, wiping errant tears and taking selfies.

As usual, wilted pathos and not sound reason is what’s being fed to the public after yet another horrific series of terrorist attacks.

But in this advanced age of the internet with its endless information highway, this will simply not do. Consumers of news on terrorism – which is practically most of humanity – would greatly benefit from learning the identities of the wizards behind the ISIS curtain. The MSM is not providing this vital service – this therefore leaves the burden of dissemination on the thin shoulders of private citizens and their blogs.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, America, France and the UK. The Unmagnificent Seven.

This is the duplicitous, mass-murdering mafia that is in fact behind the rise and hectic spread of ISIS and its Takfiri Hydras. Every single terrorist act committed by ISIS terrorists was made possible by the dark generosity and political perversions of the Unmagnificent Seven. None of these conspiratorial nations are fighting terrorism, as they claim – they are instead willfully and covertly creating terrorism to advantage their mega global power grabs – using our tax dollars, no less. In other words, we are today unknowingly paying for our own eventual slaughter by terrorists…

https://platosguns.com/2015/11/17/the-unmagnificent-seven-naming-isis-allies/
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November 19, 2015 4:23pm
stephieboy

Reid, well Salon has got it wrong on that score,

“ake Jason Burke, for instance, a major contributor to the BBC documentary “The Power of Nightmares”. In his book “Al Qaeda”, he wrote the following:

“It is often said that bin Ladin was funded by the CIA. This is not true, and indeed it would have been impossible given the structure of funding that General Zia ul-Haq, who had taken power in Pakistan in 1977, had set up. A condition of Zia’s cooperation with the American plan to turn Afghanistan into the Soviet’s ‘Vietnam’ was that all American funding to the Afghan resistance had to be channeled through the Pakistani government, which effectively meant the Afghan bureau of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), the military spy agency. The American funding, which went exclusively to the Afghan mujahideen groups, not the Arab volunteers [bin Ladin’s groups], was supplemented by Saudi government money and huge funds raised from mosques, non-governmental charitable institutions and private donors throughout the Islamic world. Most of the major Gulf-based charities operating today were founded at this time to raise money or channel government funds to the Afghans, civilians and fighters. In fact, as little as 25 per cent of the monet for the Afghan jihad was actually supplied directly by states.
Page 59, Al Qaeda: The true story of radical Islam”
Jason Burke

Steve Coll, former Managing Editor of the Washington Post, also suggests bin Ladin passed largely unnoticed by the CIA, in his book “Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001”:

“…According to [Ahemd] Badeeb, on bin Ladin’s first trip to Pakistan he brought donations to the Lahore offices of Jamaat-e-Islami, Zia’s political shock force. Jamaat was the Pakistani offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood; its students had sacked the US embassy in Islamabad in 1979. bin Ladin did not trust the official Pakistan intelligence service, Badeeb recalled, and preferred to fund his initial charity through private religious and political networks.
From the beginning of the Afghan jihad, Saudi intelligence used religious charities to support its own unilateral operations. This mainly involved funneling money and equipment to favoured Afghan commanders outisde ISI or CIA control… “The humanitarian aid-that was completely separate from the Americans”, Badeeb recalled. “And we insist[ed] that the Americans will not get to that, get involved–especially in the beginning,” in part because some of the Islamist mujahedin objected to direct contact with Western infidels…
In spy lexicon, each of the major intelligence agencies began working the Afghan jihad–GID [General Intelligence Department, Saudi Arabia], ISI and the CIA– began to “compartment” their work, even as all three collaborated with one another through formal liasons…
bin Ladin moved within Saudi intelligence’s compartmented operations, outside of CIA eyesight…”
Page 86/ 87, Ghost Wars
Stevel Coll

bin Ladin was himself asked about US funding by Robert Fisk:

“Fisk: …what of the Arab mujahedin he took to Afghanistan – members of a guerilla army who were also encouraged and armed by the United States – and who were forgotten when that war was over? bin Ladin: “Personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help…”
Fisk interview, 1996
http://www.robert-fisk.com (Web Archive)

The facts the links between Osama Bin Laden and the CIA were at best tenuous and very indirect given the US aided the Mujahedin against the Soviet invasion. That aid never went beyond that. We also have OBL word on it too as Robert Fisk found out .

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Bin_Laden_CIA_links
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November 19, 2015 4:28pm
Shawn Herles

The Barbarians Are Inside, And There Are No Gates

“What’s the happy ending here? Because if M Hollande isn’t prepared to end mass Muslim immigration to France and Europe, then his “pitiless war” isn’t serious. And, if they’re still willing to tolerate Mutti Merkel’s mad plan to reverse Germany’s demographic death spiral through fast-track Islamization, then Europeans aren’t serious. In the end, the decadence of Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and the rest of the fin de civilisation western leadership will cost you your world and everything you love.”

http://www.steynonline.com/7293/the-barbarians-are-inside-and-there-are-no-gates
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November 19, 2015 4:30pm
Shawn Herles

“Reid, well Salon has got it wrong on that score”

Of course it has. It’s a Liberal-Left magazine that publishes the usual boring Liberal-Left crap. So you should probably stop using it as well, eh stephie? 🙂

Edit: I did give you an uptick for destroying Reid’s batshit crazy nonsense though.
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November 19, 2015 4:32pm
Reid

The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it – Orwell

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. – Bernays

By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms – elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest – will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manipulators and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit. – Huxley

Propaganda works best when the people who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. – Goebbels.

And the sheeple, of course, go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Don’t you.
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November 19, 2015 4:33pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , and of course Fox or frontpage never, never gets anything wrong ?

Reid, I think we have every reason to be skeptical about anything post given your recent laughable and risable efforts over the Christchuch quake

And the sheeple, of course, go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Don’t you.
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November 19, 2015 4:34pm
Shawn Herles

Of course they do Stephie. Human beings make mistakes. Kinda goes with the territory.

Generally speaking though, I am strongly inclined, both for ideological reasons and from long experience, to take good Conservative sources far more seriously than Liberal-Left ones, and Left Wing ones in general.
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November 19, 2015 4:37pm
Shawn Herles

Reid’s sheeple stuff is hilarious. Coming from a guy who is gullible enough to take seriously a web site that claims North Korea is a paradise of love and joy, it’s pure comedy gold! 🙂

The lesson being that he who cry’s “sheeple” the loudest is likely one himself.
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November 19, 2015 4:40pm
Manolo

Roach invasion:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/report-8-syrians-caught-at-texas-border-in-laredo/

Two federal agents operating under the umbrella of U.S. Customs and Border Protection are claiming that eight Syrian illegal aliens attempted to enter Texas from Mexico in the Laredo Sector. The federal agents spoke with Breitbart on the condition of anonymity, however, a local president of the National Border Patrol Council confirmed that Laredo Border Patrol agents have been officially contacting the organization with concerns over reports from other federal agents about Syrians illegally entering the country in the Laredo Sector.
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November 19, 2015 4:42pm
stephieboy

shawn Herles , take Consrvative sourses seriously ? Like Mark Steyn here ,

http://blog.ucsusa.org/aaron-huertas/michael-mann-responds-to-misleading-filings-in-climate-change-lawsuit-641?

and this fraud here,

Fox News gets suckered: 11 outrageous lies by their “terror analyst” who was actually a con man
For 13 years, Fox News presented Wayne Simmons as a CIA officer. He’s now indicted as a fraud. Let’s recap his lies,

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/fox_news_gets_suckered_11_outrageous_lies_by_their_terror_analyst_who_was_was_actually_a_con_man/

Ha,ha, ha … !
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November 19, 2015 4:43pm
Reid

Le Passeport Magique! Don’t Leave Home Without It!

Just like with the London 7/7 Bombings which coincided perfectly with the G8 Summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, last week’s Paris Attacks were timed with the G20 Summit in Istanbul – elevating the ‘War on Terror’ (now rebranded to the ‘War on ISIS’) to the top of the west’s international and military agenda. Once again, job done. Now France is locked down in a state of emergency, effectively under Martial Law.

Immediately after the Paris Attacks on Friday Nov. 13th, French authorities and mainstream media wasted no time in expediting the crucial talking point that a Syrian passport was found either on, or near, the body of one of the alleged suicide bombers outside the Stade de France sporting arena in Paris.

Public suspicion immediate went viral on social media, as people pointed out how this anomaly directly mirrored similar false flag stunts on 9/11 in 2001, with MH17 in 2014, and with Charlie Hebdo last January.

This seemed to force the mainstream media to pivot, as they ‘walked back’ the Syrian passport leg of their story and take rear guard action before the public copped on to what was likely a planted set-piece at the scene of the crime. At this point, the mainstream choir suddenly U-turned and claimed in unison, that the Syrian passport was indeed a ‘fake’ – but even then, the mainstream media still stood by the assertion that the alleged suicide bomber had sneaked into Europe from Syria undercover the west’s cleverly engineered ‘Migrant Crisis’ in Europe.

This begged the obvious question: why would supposed suicide bombers all pack their passports with them on a one-way jihad?…

I saw one dummy yesterday on GD explaining that when he was on his OE why he’d have his passport on a tether round his neck because as long as you have your passport and a cc then whatever happens in the wide wide world of the overseas traveler everything would be OK. But of course he didn’t seem to recognise there is a profound difference between some tourist just wandering around experiencing the sights and sounds and a real terrorist embarking on an operation which is going to end in the last night they ever spend on Earth.

Missing that profoundly obvious point is why he’s a dummy, but still, all the other sheeple clearly miss the point of this profoundly obvious tell as well. Haven’t they. Which says what about the sheeple.

No wonder they like jumping over open gates when they don’t even need to. Compared to real sheep actually, the human sheeple do seem a bit dim, don’t they.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/17/le-passeport-magique-dont-leave-home-without-it/

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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November 19, 2015 5:13pm
mikenmild

‘Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa’
Sheep go ‘baa’. Cows go ‘moo’.
What goes ‘maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa’?
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November 19, 2015 5:20pm
Reid

This is what we should sentence the murderous bastard neocons to do, 24/7/365.

http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/17/the-struggle-and-strain-of-mining-devils-gold/

Sometimes they go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And sometimes they go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I wish they wouldn’t do either, quite frankly. It doesn’t befit humans. But they insist on doing it, so I’ll keep calling them on it, till they stop it.
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November 19, 2015 5:22pm
nasska

….”What goes ‘maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa’?”…..

Lovesick goats! 🙂
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November 19, 2015 5:25pm
mikenmild

Maaaaaaaaaaa Nonu?
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November 19, 2015 5:27pm
Shunda barunda

Sheep go ‘baa’. Cows go ‘moo’.

Yeah, but what does the fox say?
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November 19, 2015 5:28pm
Shawn Herles

LOL, stpehie, stephie, stephie, you really walked into this one! 🙂

You atttack my sources, and then for evidence use Salon, the magazine running a campaign to normalize pedophilia!

LMAO!!! 🙂

Sure stephieboy, I’m REALLY going to take a pro-pedophile source seriously! 🙂
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November 19, 2015 5:44pm
Nostradamus

Sheep(le) are far smarter than previously thought

They are an animal so apparently dim-witted that they have become a byword for stupidity and mindlessly following the crowd. New research, however, reveals that sheep are far more intelligent than they have been given credit for.

Scientists at the University of Cambridge have found that the creatures have the brainpower to equal rodents, monkeys and, in some tests, even humans.

Johnboy will be pleased.
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November 19, 2015 5:45pm
itstricky

You obviously feel its OK to call the flight they are on “ConAir”? You agree therefore they should be considered convicts?

Yes, they are criminals. So what’s the problem?
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November 19, 2015 5:55pm
itstricky

then for evidence use Salon, the magazine running a campaign to normalize pedophilia!

That’s a pretty massive accusation. I guess you’ve got proof of that, or is something us sheeple can’t see?
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November 19, 2015 5:57pm
Shawn Herles

This is the Liberal-Left rag stephie often uses as a source to attack conservatives and Republicans:

‘Salon Writer Defends His Pedophilia’

“In an editorial posted on the left wing blog, Salon.com, Monday, “aspiring author” Todd Nickerson admits to being a pedophile and defends others who are sexually attracted to children. In the piece, Nickerson claims that sexual attraction to children is natural and no different from having straight or homosexual desires.”

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/salon-article-defends-pedophiles
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November 19, 2015 5:57pm
Awww C-mon

@Nostra “the creatures have the brainpower to equal rodents, monkeys and, in some tests, even humans”

Is that a commentary on the state of sheep or people though?
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November 19, 2015 5:59pm
itstricky

If we’re all sheeple, why does Reid hang out here? Why isn’t he where the non-sheeple are?
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November 19, 2015 5:59pm
nasska

…..” New research, however, reveals that sheep are far more intelligent than they have been given credit for”….

Granted that some outwit my sheepdogs on a regular basis but I still think the scientists are having the wool pulled over their eyes Nostra.

IMHO a sheep is little more than a life support system for round worms & various other sundry nematodes. 🙂
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November 19, 2015 6:00pm
Shawn Herles

More on stephies favored source of anti-Republican articles: Salon.com and the Mainstreaming of Paedophilia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCUjZzuMQq8
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November 19, 2015 6:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Auckland City can be so proud of its Mayor…. about to sort out that nasty Climate Change thing and taking it to the Terrorists and Flat Earthers at the same time.
Go Len!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11547488
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November 19, 2015 6:03pm
thedavincimode

Maggy

Fret not. I dealt with this the other day. [0800 ISIS SOLUTIONS]

You ask for the Paris office.
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November 19, 2015 6:05pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

some outwit my sheepdogs on a regular basis

Have you engaged the services of the Dog Whisperer to find out what’s wrong?

I’m sure you’ll agree, Nasska, that it’s better to spend your money on a worthwhile cause rather than waste it on a clairvoyant or some other kind of rune-reader.

Oh no – just noticed this from my linked article:

A journalist for The Times questioned Cesar Millan on his motivation for producing the program, and quoted him as responding, “The goal that God and I have together is the whole world transformed through a dog.”

That’s pretty much game over, right, Nasska?
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November 19, 2015 6:10pm
dave_c_

Lance – so does what yuo say also apply to MSM ? WHy are they more reliable than anyone else ?
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November 19, 2015 6:23pm
nasska

Nostra

Cesar Millan is spot on in that behavioural problems in dogs is usually due to the owner not appreciating their position in the scheme of things. No matter how good the tucker or how warm the bedding you provide you can never claim a higher title than ‘leader of the pack’.

Although I only use them as a last resort electric collars are wonderful tools for cleaning wax out of a dogs ears & helping him/her see things your way.

That’s enough of a transformation for me. 🙂
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November 19, 2015 6:26pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, there is no attempt by Salon to mainstream or make pedophilia more acceptable . That’s just Chirstian Conservative media lies .All Salon did was to explore a taboo subject and by bringing it out into the open so that child molesters can get the help they need to treat their condition. No more or no less than making e.g Schizophrenia more mainstream or acceptable by publicising the disorder and it’s victims !

And who would deny the chance of Catholic Priests to get the same chance of treatment ? And who says their male child pedophilia somehow more acceptable if they speak about their condition and seek help and treatment they need !

http://www.alternet.org/story/146920/what's_really_behind_the_catholic_church's_sexual_abuse_problem
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November 19, 2015 6:26pm
blazeoflight

An insightful article here

http://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2015/nov/19/conservatives-yearning-for-islam-is-the-love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name

The thesis in a nutshell is that all the nut cases here who espouse such virile hatred for all things Islamic may in fact be suffering from ~~penis~~ Islam envy.

Certainly seems plausible to this non-pseudo+non-neuroscience practitioner.
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November 19, 2015 6:29pm
Reid

you can never claim a higher title than ‘leader of the pack’.

So what you do nasska. Do you have a special uniform, maybe a hat shaped like a triangle? Or how does it work?

Although I only use them as a last resort electric collars are wonderful tools for cleaning out a dogs ears & helping him/her see things your way.

Maybe we could give em a trial go on stephie and Captain Bananas. Something has to happen. But sadly Cattle Prods are almost certainly the next regrettable, but necessary step. (Not that I’ll be that sad about it when it inevitably comes to that.)
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November 19, 2015 6:29pm
itstricky

Salon.com and the Mainstreaming of Paedophilia.

I don’t agree with the article and I think it borders on areas of dodgyness but it’s a stretch of the imagination to say it is “normalising” or “mainstreaming”.
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November 19, 2015 6:29pm
blazeoflight

@nasska

Strong, confident, clear and consistent commands have always had my dogs (and the odd wife) heeling on command in no time flat.

You should try it.
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November 19, 2015 6:33pm
Reid

it’s a stretch of the imagination to say it is “normalising” or “mainstreaming”.

That’s why he’s called Captain Bananas. Actually I just remembered I had to demote him the other night, so he’s now Corporal Bananas.
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November 19, 2015 6:35pm
nasska

…..”Strong, confident, clear and consistent commands have always had my dogs (and the odd wife) heeling on command in no time flat.”….

Until you mentioned wives you had me believing you. 🙂
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November 19, 2015 6:37pm
blazeoflight

nasska

1 is an odd number.
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November 19, 2015 6:40pm
Fletch

This is worth a read. A soldier who has worked in Afghanistan and Iraq shares his story and sends a warning. Apparently it has gone viral.

I don’t typically go on rants or express my political beliefs here (Facebook), but I just have to get this off my mind.

As some of you know, I’m active duty Army. Aside from that, I am a medic. I’ve spent 3 years of my life overseas in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I’ve seen some pretty atrocious sites caused by war, from both sides. I’ve picked up blown up body parts of friends and I’ve saved the lives of guys who were trying to kill me and my guys right before I was keeping them from their 72 virgins or whatever they believe awaits them on the other side.

Here is an unbiased truthful view to the Syrian refugee situation.

My first deployment to Iraq, in 2006, my unit voluntarily ran a childrens burn clinic outside of the FOB. It was a constant target for attacks. You would think that people wouldn’t shoot mortars or rockets at their own children, but you would be wrong. We saw hundreds of children, from infants to 18 year olds. The overwhelming majority of the kids we saw (90% or better) were clear cases of abuse. These parents were literally dunking their kids in boiling water, or throwing hot chai at their kids faces… Yes, we’re talking about babies, toddlers, kids not even old enough to understand why their parents would do these things to them. HUNDREDS of kids… We saw quite a few of these kids that were sexually abused, both girls and boys. Their parents acted if nothing was wrong with this, even when confronted by our doctors.

This is the mentality of their society, not the viewpoint of a few individuals… these beliefs have been accepted to the vast majority of these people. Many were educated, well dressed, well spoken men, but yet, they still raped their own children, and kept chai boys (if you don’t know what that means, google it.)

During that deployment, we also captured the 3rd largest EFP cache that had ever been captured. There were hundreds of copper plates, homemade explosives, fake curbs to house the EFP’s, hundreds of mortars and rockets and howitzer rounds, even an anti-aircraft gun. All of these things came from one place, Syria. Almost every single IED or EFP we found or hit could be traced back to Syria… A lot of the terrorists we captured were from SYRIA… Imagine that.

Fast forward a couple years, and I find myself in Helmand Province, in Afghanistan… We had a group of Afghani’s that were paid to help guard our little mud hut in the middle of an Afghan village (I wasn’t on a fob) These guys also kept a “chai boy” A boy, about 11 years old, who was there to serve these guys sexually. We heard him being sexually assaulted many times, but there was nothing we could do about it. We asked the police, the Afghan Army, and we were told the same thing every time…. it’s their culture, and accepted as the norm….

Once again, we captured Syrian made explosives, weapons, and other items… We found Syrian passports during raids… And people out there want us to let these people into the US, with our kids, and near our wives. Near our schools, near our churches, synogogues, malls. Places where we should never have to fear being blown up, shot, kidnapped and tortured…

Don’t forget what they did to the Egyptian Coptic Christians, or the Jordanian pilot… Don’t forget about what they do to rape victims! They stone these women to death for being raped! They behead their own people. Do you think they will show mercy to you?

Look at the rape statistics in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium. Facts don’t lie… 97% of rapes committed in Sweden were committed by Muslim immigrants… And you want 10,000 of these people here? Even if just 1% of these so called “refugees” were ISIS supporters or active ISIS terrorists, would that be acceptable to you?

Chew on it… think about it. Take a good look at your kids or your wife and decide if the risk is worth taking. Feel free to share this if you want.

-Christopher Allard, Facebook post Nov. 16, 2015

https://www.facebook.com/christopher.allard.566/posts/10153725047374886
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November 19, 2015 6:41pm
starboard

“Even with a few years of achieving Gold Card status under my belt, once a week is still starvation rations, but even in my forties I was still a 5 or so a week guy. Every second night and twice on weekends was my mantra for those later decades!”

Blowhard much…
Just sayin
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November 19, 2015 6:42pm
Griff

No storyboard we leave the blowing to you and your friends at Hagly park.
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November 19, 2015 6:45pm
stephieboy

Fletch , all I wish to say is what does the soldier think of Afghans who reject this extremist Taliban Sharia and who are fighting them at them this very moment ?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/afghan-forces-fight-push-taliban-kunduz-151001085429899.html

and the women fighting back too,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/11938891/We-cant-go-back-say-women-activists-on-Taliban-Kunduz-hit-list.html
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November 19, 2015 6:46pm
dad4justice

Hey gripp are you on magic mushrooms that you gathered from “Hagly park”
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November 19, 2015 6:52pm
Nostradamus

blazeoflight:

Strong, confident, clear and consistent commands have always had my dogs (and the odd wife) heeling on command in no time flat.

Hmmm, if you’re out to impress Kiwiblog readers, you’ll need to match Splooge:

But now you have brought up penis size. Mine is a healthy 8 inches and of reasonable girth, but more importantly I know how to use it, coupled with charm,good clothes and a nice Audi and boat (kept at Westhaven Marina) I get more my fair share of sex, they actually have to wait their turn,most of whom are the wives of right wing tossers who do not get satisfied at home and actually prefer a bit of rough. You might want to check where your wife goes, cos she could be gobbling me.

Splooge was quite modest about his achivements, blazeoflight, so don’t feel that you need to hold back!
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November 19, 2015 6:54pm
starboard

“Hagly”

*sigh*..Hagley retard
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November 19, 2015 7:00pm
Inthisdress

Ok people I accept that the Joanna Lumley thing may have appeared tasteless.

RIP the late great Jonah Lomu. A true gentleman and epoch-making sportsman.

…. But it is not my fault that practically every kiwi from Key down appears to mumble. My non-sequiter was based on an actual happening. To me. I was in a yesterday staffroom, when a colleague came in yesterday and announced what I thought was that ‘Joanna Lumley died today, i just heard it on the news’.

I remember thinking ‘Shit that’s sad.” and wondered why the guy sounded so cut up – ‘perhaps he had a thing for her’ I thought to myself, ‘I know she was having a comeback, but was suprised her fame was such taht even in NZ her passing might achieve such an outpouring of spontaneaous grief. ‘…still takes all kinds..’ I thought..

It was about an hour later when people were discussing it more, and I was back in the staffroom, that I realised to my embarrassment, I’d misheard the name.

for those of you who are interested, Joanna is still with us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Lumley

And Mann it’s ok I accept I am an arsehole the missis called me that just last Saturday.
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November 19, 2015 7:01pm
Inandout

Yay, Taumarunui is now ‘Taimarunui’ on TV3 weather. Can the presenters convolute and stretch Maori place names any further?
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November 19, 2015 7:01pm
starboard

I like Too-Poo, thats the best one
..and ” phung-a -ray “
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November 19, 2015 7:03pm
Andrei

And Mann it’s ok I accept I am an arsehole the missis called me that just last Saturday.

I think I saw you on youtube Inthisdress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ZXJkO6L_A
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November 19, 2015 7:09pm
LegioXII

It should not be a surprise to any thinking person that a magazine written by degenerate leftist slime is promoting pedophilia.
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November 19, 2015 7:14pm
Griff

Why Lego are they part of the catholic church priest hood?
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November 19, 2015 7:16pm
Fletch

Heh, Spain’s state-owned broadcaster mistakenly uses the Rebel Alliance symbol from Star Wars to represent Al Qaeda in an onscreen graphic –

Television Española, Spain’s state-owned broadcaster. The station’s morning show La Mañana broadcasted a segment Monday in which the Rebel Alliance’s famous firebird logo — as seen on Luke Skywalker’s helmet when he attacked the Death Star — was used to represent al-Qaeda.

https://vine.co/v/iBYTIKu57ne
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November 19, 2015 7:21pm
mikenmild

Do you actually know any thinking persons, Lego?
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November 19, 2015 7:21pm
Shawn Herles

“That’s why he’s called Captain Bananas.”

Says Reid, KB’s resident leader of the Tin Foil Hat Club, who thinks Mickey Mouse cartoons are beaming hidden Satanic signs into the minds of children!

LMAO!!! 🙂
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November 19, 2015 7:25pm
Griff

Says Shawn who thinks praying to the invisible sky pixie can grow back hands.
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November 19, 2015 7:33pm
nasska

You shouldn’t be surprised about the fate of chai boys Fletch.

Old Muslim proverb: A camel for pleasure, a woman for babies but a boy for ecstasy. 🙂
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November 19, 2015 7:33pm
LegioXII

Citizenship, Race, Nation

‘In thinking about immigration and migration, I could not care less whether someone filled out the paperwork correctly or passed a civics exam. I oppose the immigration of an African who waits his turn and genuinely “wants to be an American”; conversely, I would gladly accept thousands of “Swedish boat people” who wash up on the shores.

The question is really who someone is. It is not how someone is (whether he followed some arbitrary legal procedure).

But we still live in a liberal age based on liberal assumptions. And liberalism, among other things, values procedure as a chief source of legitimacy. A political decision is legitimate, for instance, if it is voted on correctly; an individual is a member of a nation if he happened to be born in its geographic territory or takes a test and is sanctioned by a lawyer or bureaucrat.

I have, no doubt, that the American governors who oppose the resettlement of Syrian migrants in their states (all but one of whom are Republican) have some traditionalist instincts buried beneath their PC talking points. After all, Salus populi suprema lex esto, and these governors are acting like true guardians of the people. But they also evince that Republican tendency of ultimately missing the point, and doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

The Muslims who attacked Paris last week were not (so far as we know) Syrian refugees; they were, in fact, French “citizens”. In other words, the issue is one of race (and all that this word implies) and civilization, and not legality or geographic location. In turn, in the age of mass migration, the threats to a nation are just as likely to be “citizens” as foreigners or invaders.

What we are witnessing is the passing of the concept of “the citizen”—“le citoyen” that was deified during the French Revolution. The politics of the future will be based on race and identity, and not the abstract, bankrupt notions “citizenship” currently peddled by Western nation-states.’

http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/11/18/citizenship-race-nation
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November 19, 2015 7:38pm
mikenmild

Ah, Richard B Spencer, Lego? Well-known ‘white nationalist’ crazy.
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November 19, 2015 7:42pm
simpleton1

I wonder if I am becoming xenophobic.
I feel that I do not want a Swedish boat load of immigrants any way.

A few drops of bloods on the streets and those “welcomers” imbued with panEurope Eurabia concepts will feel most squeamish and want to flee to perceived safe far away lands.
No matter what skills, degrees or language they should be barred, as they will still want to blithely continue their trail of destruction with multicultural political correctness, language control and will gain access through all our institutions.
Well we have enough of that of own with out bringing in more.

The true ones that I would be ok with are the ones that are risking their lives, homes, jobs,; staying principled in such as “Generation Identitaire”, “Pegida”, “Liberty GB”,. However they are looking to remain to take issue, in reaffirming their culture, and hold dear to their countries.

Then again others would want to prevent them from arriving.
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November 19, 2015 7:46pm
wiseowl

There is a suggestion from the PM that Lomu may get a State funeral.
Sorry but with the utmost respect I think this is an insane idea.
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November 19, 2015 7:54pm
LegioXII

‘The true ones that I would be ok with are the ones that are risking their lives, homes, jobs,; staying principled in such as “Generation Identitaire”, “Pegida”, “Liberty GB”’

I agree with that sentiment.

From Generation Identity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA5S5Qrg6CU
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November 19, 2015 7:54pm
Andrei

It’ll be up to Jonah Lomu’s family to decide whether there’ll be an official public memorial service to remember the All Black legend, Prime Minister John Key says

An official public memorial service is not a State Funeral wiseowl

The former is appropriate if the family agrees the later is not
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November 19, 2015 8:03pm
starboard

“There is a suggestion from the PM that Lomu may get a State funeral.”

Ridiculous. Must be an election on the horizon.
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November 19, 2015 8:09pm
cha

Generation drunken fuckwit.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRJOVn9IK6o&feature=youtu.be
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