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mikenmild

I’m deadly serious. Successive government have made very bad defence decisions. We should have bought a third Anzac frigate in the latest 1990s and gone ahead with the F-16 lease. Instead, we have made decisions as though the only defence things we will ever have to do will be catch fishing vessels and be peacekeepers.
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November 15, 2015 12:11pm
Griff

>The word is DENIER – not the generic “denial” – and “Denier” absolutely has been part of the Holocaust story in the West. Prior to AGW one could observe it in any number of debates that occurred involving anti-semites. I first came across it at university in the 1980’s, thirty years ago FFS.

You’re just trying to finesse the fact that your side of the AGW debate have been nasty, shitty, demonising little twats because you’re ignorant of the political history, and given that – by your own admission – you only stumbled upon the whole AGW debate just a few years ago, that’s hardly surprising.

😆
going troppo Tommy boy
really mate I vote act because I am a free market capitalist
The green are Communists if they dropped the whacks like delhunty and the walking fashion victim i would vote for them but that hasn’t happened .

You’re just trying to finesse the fact that your side of the AGW debate have been nasty, shitty, demonising little twats because you’re ignorant of the political history, and given that – by your own admission – you only stumbled upon the whole AGW debate just a few years ago, that’s hardly surprising.

Referring to politics in the climate science debate is a lose .
It is science mate not politics ……..
The history
First leader in the west to really engage with climate change !
1989 Nov 8 We
Margaret Thatcher
Speech to United Nations General Assembly (Global Environment)
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107817
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November 15, 2015 12:14pm
Reid

The proper course of action is…

Asymetric warfare revolves around intel and shock troops targetting HQs and pin-point groups.

Our blessing is that we’re so tiny that apart from in Akld, there’s little chance of a radical network developing long-term capability before some neighbour notices unusual activity.

Bizarrely enough however mm is correct, however unintentional he may have been in his slimy sarcasm. Because we’re a maritime nation and we’re not expecting to have to combat warships but rather troop carriers disguised as boat people arriving in their thousands. So we need air strike power so we can blast the durka durka bastards into the water hundreds if not thousands of miles out at sea.

The Orions can carry air-launched torpedoes so we can use those, but not sure if ours have that capability.

Plus of course we’re going to need special tactics police groups to ruthlessly take out with extreme prejudice all the lefty knobs like stephie and mm who do nothing but wring their hands and complain about how awful it all is that we’re defending our own country.
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November 15, 2015 12:18pm
mikenmild

Nice to see you advocating murder of your political opponents, Reid. Almost makes you a Nazi, but maybe we should restrict that label to your mate EAD until you’re ready to come fully out of that closet.
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November 15, 2015 12:23pm
Longknives

I honestly think the West is fucked.
Just read a post on Facebook from a girl I knew at University-She blames ‘Evil’ US Drone Strikes and George Bush for what happened in Paris and thinks Muslims are a naturally ‘Peaceful’ people.
This girl is a School Teacher. She will be teaching this to our kids…
God help us..
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November 15, 2015 12:26pm
dime

Its a shame Paris doesnt have strict gun control. that way the terrorists would have had to use butter knives.
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November 15, 2015 12:38pm
Reid

Nice to see you advocating murder of your political opponents, Reid.

Not surprising to see you lying again slimy. I said take out with extreme prejudice I didn’t say murder. And it was in the context of a joke. But of course, lefties have no sense of humour when it comes to the cause do you. I really feel sorry for you sour, dour little twats. Well, I would if you weren’t such slimy liars.
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November 15, 2015 12:43pm
mikenmild

Take out with extreme prejudice is a euphemism for murder, Reid. Of course I have a sense of humour – most of your comments make me laugh out loud.
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November 15, 2015 12:48pm
Jack5

The Human Rights Commission has issued a joint statement with the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand on the Paris terrorism. Dame Devoid’s name features prominently in the statement.

How dare this crown entity commit New Zealand to solidarity with a Muslim group in the wake of this attack.

Dame Devoid is surely the worst political appointment in New Zealand history.

Here’s what the joint statement says:

“We stand alongside all innocent victims of terrorism in peace, solidarity and humanity,” said Hazim Arafeh, president of the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand.

“The Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand condemns all terrorist attacks and joins the rest of the world in deep sorrow as we mourn men, women and children murdered by terrorists and extremists.”

Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy urged New Zealanders to recognise “that terrorism has no religion and that Muslim Kiwis unreservedly and wholeheartedly condemn extremism and violence.”

“The Human Rights Commission stands alongside Muslim New Zealanders in their continued and uncompromising call for peace,” said Dame Susan.

“Hate starts small but so too does hope. Terrorism has no religion and neither does humanity: we urge Kiwis to stand together in humanity.”

Devoid is pig ignorant when she says “terrorism has no religion”. ISIL is an extreme Islamic-based terrorism group.
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November 15, 2015 1:09pm
itstricky

How dare this crown entity commit New Zealand to solidarity with a Muslim group in the wake of this attack.

What, Muslims aren’t allowed to condem the actions of religious nut bars?

Devoid is pig ignorant when she says “terrorism has no religion”. ISIL is an extreme Islamic-based terrorism group.

That’s an “inventive” interpretation of the statement. Well done.
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November 15, 2015 1:15pm
cha

I honestly think the West is fucked.

Yup, doing exactly what the evil fucks want.

In February this year, in a chilling editorial in its propaganda magazine, Dabiq, Isis laid out its own strategy to eliminate what the writer, or writers, called “the grey zone”.

This was, Isis said, what lay between belief and unbelief, good and evil, the righteous and the damned. It was home, too, to all those who had yet to commit to the forces of either side.

The grey zone, Isis claimed, had been “critically endangered [since] the blessed operations of September 11th”, as “these operations showed the world” the two camps that mankind must choose between.

Over the years, since successive violent acts had narrowed the grey zone to the point where by the end of 2014 “the time had come for another event to … bring division to the world and destroy the grey zone everywhere”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/islamic-state-goes-global-paris-attacks
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November 15, 2015 1:18pm
itstricky

Take out with extreme prejudice is a euphemism for murder, Reid. Of course I have a sense of humour – most of your comments make me laugh out loud.

Or go Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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November 15, 2015 1:18pm
Jack5

Re itstricky (1.15)

Muslim groups can of course, in a free Western country, say whatever they like about the Muslim terrorism in Paris.

Dame Devoid does not speak for New Zealand, and she is very wrong to issue a joint statement with NZ Muslim groups about the Muslim attacks in Paris. Devoid’s an idiot when she says, obviously in relation to the Paris terrorism by the Islamic-extremist group, ISIL, that “terrorism has no religion”.
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November 15, 2015 1:20pm
itstricky

Dame Devoid

Are you still at High School?

“she’s wrong” “she’s an idiot” “my own misrepresentation of her statement”

You’re not make a very good case there.
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November 15, 2015 1:23pm
Jack5

Itstricky…. your ad hominem stuff is very weak. You can’t put your assertion in direct quotes as though your opponent said it.

Do well with the Islamic chanting, rote learning style of the madrasa did you, itstricky? Not very useful outside Wogistan though, is it?
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November 15, 2015 1:28pm
mikenmild

Ha ha, Jack accuses others of ad hom attacks. Irony much?
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November 15, 2015 1:31pm
Griff

What, jack 5 makes something someone says into something else so he can attack it .
quelle surprise
It is called the straw man fallacy.

Basically it is a form of masturbation. Raging against something you your self made up.
It is what passes for debate in his tiny little piss soaked mind .
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November 15, 2015 1:34pm
Jack5

Milky, when you are the subject of an ad hominem attack, the defence usually also has to be ad hominem.

How are you today, Milky?

I hope you are not going to spend the whole of your Sunday defending the indefensible – namely the ISIL terrorism in Paris.
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November 15, 2015 1:34pm
itstricky

Ha ha, Jack accuses others of ad hom attacks. Irony much?

Darn, you beat me to it. 😉

I wonder if making up silly high school names to degrade someone when talking about them also counts as ad. hom?
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November 15, 2015 1:34pm
mikenmild

There you go with your straw man again, Jack. Eager to prove Griff’s point?
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November 15, 2015 1:36pm
SPC

mikenmild, Jack 5 was not complaining about ad hominem attacks but criticising how good they were. He is boasting about being an authority on it, and thus being able to credibly rate the performance of others at it.
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November 15, 2015 1:36pm
Manolo

How many ISIS operatives disguised as refugees have reached Holland, Sweden and Germany by now?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318379/Hunt-Isis-killers-Syrian-passport-body-suicide-bomber-Stade-France.html

The same hordes stephieboy, Labour, and the Greens want to bring to NZ.
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November 15, 2015 1:39pm
Jack5

Enter Griff the climate bore (1.34).

Griff the poster who in his dementia has accused a number of other posters of being drunks, wife beaters, and even paedophiles, joins the conversation when the topic reverts to ad hominem comment.

Now he adds masturbation to the list of his opponents behaviours. Easy to see where your fantasies about this originate, Griff: someone obviously caught you at it did they? You shouldn’t feel so bad about it. It hasn’t made you blind, has it now?

But give us a clue why when angry you at times lash out by accusing other posters of being paedophiles?
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November 15, 2015 1:39pm
mikenmild

Doubling down on your abuse, Jack?
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November 15, 2015 1:40pm
itstricky

Dame Devoid does not speak for New Zealand, and she is very wrong…. AKA “she’s wrong”. No reason, just wrong. She’s NZ’s RRC, important position, but just wrong. For some reason.

Devoid’s an idiot when she says….AKA “she’s an idiot”. Again. She’s an idiot for something. Appears to be she’s an idiot for you misinterpreting her statements. Which leads to…

obviously in relation to the Paris terrorism by the Islamic-extremist group, ISIL, that “terrorism has no religion”…. AKA an incorrect interpretation of a statement.

Yep, still not really jumping out at me as a convincing argument.
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November 15, 2015 1:40pm
Reid

Hollande Vows “Merciless” Response After Paris Attacks

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Hollande-Vows-Merciless-Response-After-Paris-Attacks-20151114-0003.html

He may be vowing that, but so far I’ve heard nothing about deporting Muslims, and short of that, how is anything else going to achieve anything?

But just like Merkel, Hollande works for someone other than the people who elected him. So he’s never going to do anything that seriously undermines the plan, is he.

Let’s remind ourselves what the plan is, as helpfully explained by the cultural marxists in the Frankfurt School of swines and liars:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Naturally, the cultural marxists on here hate their evil machinations being exposed so they pretend that’s not the plan at all, despite Western societies moving closer and closer with each passing year to resembling exactly the above state of affairs.

Meanwhile, the sheeple, naturally, simply go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Don’t you.

Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.

Just like the Germans were, as Hitler moved them closer to their own destruction.

History repeats when you forget it.

But of course, the to the silly ole sheeple, the only history that’s really important is how their precious celebs lived and what precisely happened on the sports fields. Isn’t it.
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November 15, 2015 1:42pm
mikenmild

Trotting out the bullshit Frankfurt School ‘plan’ again, Reid? Don’t you ever get tired of making shit up?
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November 15, 2015 1:44pm
Manolo

Good on Abbott for speaking up:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318440/Islamists-determined-damage-Former-PM-Tony-Abbott-links-refugees-terror-attacks-calls-tighter-border-security-measures.html

Tony Abbott told The Sunday Telegraph: ‘The problem is Islamist extremists regard western civilisation as Satanic and it is determined to do whatever it can to damage us.’

Mr Abbott believes that Australia should increase their role in the Syrian crisis and said ‘as long as the Islamic State Caliphate exists…it would continue to inspire attacks.’
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November 15, 2015 1:46pm
Jack5

The foaming Left is out in force this afternoon…

Itstricky, Griff the climate bore, milky ….

The last of your PC Utopian dreams are being blown apart by ISIL. You have a right to be pissed off.
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November 15, 2015 1:47pm
Griff

Yet again with the same form of masturbation jack off.
It gets a little stale after you have done it ten or so times already today.

Your arguments are not with someone else they are with your self .
Mike hasn’t supported the terrorism, I haven’t called anyone a wife beating pedophile, Stephie is not a Muslim,
All your arguments that place such imaginary points into the comments of others are just you wanking off with your own imagination.
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November 15, 2015 1:47pm
itstricky

You have a right to be pissed off.

You could maybe extrapolate it to “pissed off” at a stretch but it’s more like “midly amused” that you’ve changed the subject about 5 times. That’d be my feeling right now.
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November 15, 2015 1:49pm
Jack5

Griff the climate bore at 1.47:

I haven’t called anyone a wife beating pedophile …

Tsk, tsk, Griff. In your anger you have called other posters drunks and wife beaters and suggested more than implied they are paedophiles, using that word.

It’s even been pointed out to you that you should take care, because if the identity of the person you have smeared should become known, then you might be liable for defamation action. Worse you put at risk our generous host here, DPF.

But where does your obsession about masturbation come from? Haven’t you had much success with the ladies, Griff?
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November 15, 2015 1:51pm
itstricky

Haven’t you had much success with the ladies, Griff?

Does that count as ad. hom. or just a plain old insult?
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November 15, 2015 1:53pm
mikenmild

I’m not sure that calling others out for making personal attack carries much credibility when you make personal attacks, Jack. There’s a word for that…

What do you expect Griff to say in response to your last sally? “Actually Jack, I haven’t had much success, well not since last night when your wife came over to beg for some proper loving”.
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November 15, 2015 1:55pm
itstricky

Now now MM, you’re “foaming” remember. Try to be less rational and more angry.
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November 15, 2015 1:56pm
Jack5

Itstricky:

Good on you for sticking up for Griff the climate bore. You’re right. I shouldn’t be so hard on a derelict.

Now back to the topic.

You don’t think the religion of Islam in any way is responsible for the Paris terrorism? Is that what you were implying earlier before you began looking for a verbal brawl?
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November 15, 2015 1:56pm
Jack5

Milky at 1.55 …

You are of course correct. Only PC Leftists, Muslims sharing a pseudonym, and all-over-the-shop derelicts have any right to make ad hominem points.

I should have remembered.
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November 15, 2015 1:58pm
starboard

“Took another look, still not really jumping out at me as a convincing argument.”

Thats because you are thick and slow. T-h-i-c-k and s-l-o-w…
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November 15, 2015 1:58pm
starboard

..t–h–i–c–k and s–l–o–w…
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November 15, 2015 2:04pm
Reid

This Shitty Fighter Jet Could Provide 23 Years of Free College for Everyone (F-35)

Another horror story brought to you by the American defense establishment

$1.45 trillion is a lot of money.

That’s the estimated total cost of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which can’t even fire its own gun until 2019 due to software issues.

It’s also the estimated cost of providing tuition-free public higher education for every student in the US until 2039.

Which one would you choose?…

…Along with weapons issues, the F-35 can’t even fly — its fleet was grounded for month in June of 2014after engine malfunctions resulting in the jet catching fire before takeoff. Since 2007, the F-35 has been grounded 13 times due to takeoff issues. In 2008, the RAND corporation tested the F-35 in a simulated air battle with China, and graded the F-35’s performance as “double-inferior,” warning in its report that the F-35 “can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run.”

To truly illustrate the astonishing waste behind the F-35, this interview with Pierre Sprey, the man who designed the F-16 fighter jet, reveals the inefficiency and stupidity that led to the F-35 project:..

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/shitty-jet-could-provide-23-years-free-college-everyone/ri11160
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November 15, 2015 2:04pm
itstricky

You don’t think the religion of Islam in any way is responsible for the Paris terrorism?

Anyone can read absolutely anything into a text and take it to it’s logical extreme. A religious terrorist does that, but that does not mean every reader and believer does.
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November 15, 2015 2:04pm
Manolo

http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html

French authorities had asked their Greek counterparts to check the fingerprints of one man who died in the attacks, with a Syrian passport found next to him, in addition to the fingerprints of another man.

There were efforts to establish whether both had registered in Greece, the main entry point into Europe for Syrian refugees.

Can this be a surprise if 68% of the illegal immigrants are men between the ages of 15 and 40?
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November 15, 2015 2:05pm
itstricky

T-h-i-c-k and s-l-o-w

Has Jack been giving you lessons in ad hom?
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November 15, 2015 2:05pm
Jack5

There’s Milky at 1.55 lecturing other posters then smearing another poster’s wife. That takes ad hominem to a new and dangerous level.

However, it is ludicrous. Seriously, who could conceive of any non-blind and non-retarded human female going to Griff the Bore to beg for sex?
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November 15, 2015 2:07pm
itstricky

However, it is ludicrous. Seriously, who could conceive of any non-blind and non-retarded human female going to Griff the Bore to beg for sex?

I bet you pull the ladies with your 8k comments on KB.
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November 15, 2015 2:07pm
Jack5

C’mon you Leftist fuckers. Stop trying to divert the thread from the Muslim attacks in France.

The motion put up for discussion now is:

Should further Muslim immigration to New Zealand be halted?
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November 15, 2015 2:10pm
itstricky

Stop trying to divert

Are you for real?
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November 15, 2015 2:10pm
Jack5

The topic is Muslims, itstricky.

Do you still want 2000 more Muslim refugees allowed into New Zealand?

Take a poll in NZ today and I guarantee four in five New Zealanders would not.

Or if you want to narrow the topic: should Muslims be allowed to run separate Islamic schools in NZ?
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November 15, 2015 2:12pm
itstricky

The topic is Muslims, itstricky.

You change the subject 5 times, ask me a question, hurl insults at Griff, mumble about other posters and then “stop trying to divert the thread?”

Then change the subject for a 6th time.

Are you for real?
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November 15, 2015 2:13pm
itstricky

The topic is Muslims, itstricky.

How about my 2:04pm?
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November 15, 2015 2:14pm
Jack5

Itstricky, you Leftist tit….

The topic of the day is Muslim terrorism in the West.

Surely you’re not another pseudonym of the Muslim group who use “Stephieboy”?

Do you or don’t you favour further Muslim immigration to NZ, Itstricky?
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November 15, 2015 2:15pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
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November 15, 2015 2:15pm
itstricky

Do you or don’t you favour further Muslim immigration to NZ, Itstricky?

How about my 2:04pm?
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November 15, 2015 2:15pm
Jack5

Itstricky at 2.15 …

The earlier statement you point to says:

Anyone can read absolutely anything into a text and take it to it’s logical extreme…

That does not answer the question: do you or don’t you favour further Muslim immigration to NZ?

Your dodging the question makes it clear you are pro-Muslim immigration.

I don’t want any more Muslims migrating to New Zealand. Their culture and ideology is medieval, backward, hostile to our culture, and they spawn terrorists. So why let any more into NZ?
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November 15, 2015 2:18pm
itstricky

Your dodging the question makes it clear you are pro-Muslim immigration.

Naaahahhhhhhhhh you’re not for real, are you? I’m candid camera, aren’t I? Where is it? Has my webcam been hijacked?
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November 15, 2015 2:20pm
itstricky

To be helpful – just in case you’ve lost your short term memory, your question was:

You don’t think the religion of Islam in any way is responsible for the Paris terrorism?

*Before* you changed the subject to immigration. If you change the subject 6 times, these hiccups are bound to happen.
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November 15, 2015 2:21pm
starboard

Itsdrippy favours more muslim immigration into NZ..there ya go drippy , all done for ya.
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November 15, 2015 2:22pm
Griff

😆
Jacky boy .
I have a girl friend mate.
She has been close to me for only thirty odd years.
I wouldent say she is retarded with a masters 1st and a leading role in her professional body.
As you have never seen me how do you know what I look like ?
Simple answer to that is .
Another jack off.
Yet again wanking off over the contents of your own imagination……
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November 15, 2015 2:22pm
Jack5

Starboard at 2.22 is right.

Not only does itstricky favour more Islamic migration to NZ, he probably wants to bring in 30 or 40 of his relations, and soon he and his four wives and their kids will be on the welfare back of NZ taxpayers.
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November 15, 2015 2:23pm
starboard

“I have a girl friend mate.”

Such a catch. Is she wasted as well ?
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November 15, 2015 2:25pm
itstricky

Not only does itstricky favour more Islamic migration to NZ

Good God (pun intended). I have better things to do with my life.

Sorry Griff, I really am going to ditch you with these two fruit pies. Ad. hom. out of here.
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November 15, 2015 2:25pm
Jack5

Griff at 2.22…

I have a girl friend mate. She has been close to me for only thirty odd years.

You mean your nurse-carer, Griff?

But back on topic old chap.

Does Griff favour continued Muslim migration to NZ?
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November 15, 2015 2:25pm
Jack5

Itstricky off to prayers or some such. Note how carefully he dodged questions about Islam?

He was here to divert debate from Islamic terrorism.
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November 15, 2015 2:26pm
Griff

You know you have got it made on kb when you resort to turning to story board for support .
rofl
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November 15, 2015 2:27pm
Reid

It’s quite simple. All the cultural marxists not only want but require massive immigration.

I mean, how else are they going to destroy our national identity?
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November 15, 2015 2:28pm
starboard

Itsdrippy , don’t forget to face the correct way when talking to Allah, eg bent over with arse cheeks spread well apart.
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November 15, 2015 2:29pm
blazeoflight

This article nicely blends some reactions to the Paris attacks with context:

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Not that I expect the author to meet with much approval on this site!
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November 15, 2015 2:29pm
blazeoflight

“Do you or don’t you favour further Muslim immigration to NZ”

Absolutely, if they meet our criteria, including and perhaps especially those brave Muslims driven from their homelands as a result of hubristic Western military adventures.

Just thought y’all should know…
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November 15, 2015 2:36pm
Jack5

Blazeoflight at 2.29…

At least we’re back on topic.

The Salon author says:

Every time Islamic extremists carry out an attack, the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims are expected to collectively apologize…

I’m not sure that’s correct, Blazeoflight. I haven’t heard of any calls for apologies from Islam. But there have been plenty of questions why Islam spouts such dangerous extremists – in Africa, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Syria, in Europe, and even in Australia.

If the terrorists shout “allu akhbar” or such as they kill, surely their atrocities are designed to be linked to Islam, but as terrorism would be linked to Christianity if terrorists shouted some Christian slogan before they slaughtered innocent people.
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November 15, 2015 2:37pm
dime

“Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy urged New Zealanders to recognise “that terrorism has no religion and that Muslim Kiwis unreservedly and wholeheartedly condemn extremism and violence.””

yep! every single last muslim in this country is peaceful and loving 🙂

normally id take the piss out of such a statement but this lady played squash in the 80’s so she must be right.
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November 15, 2015 2:40pm
Jack5

Blazeoflight posted at 2.29 on the question of whether NZ should allow in more Muslims:

….including and perhaps especially those brave Muslims driven from their homelands as a result of hubristic Western military adventures …

If they were brave Muslims they would stand in their homelands and fight, wouldn’t they Blazeoflight? Its only minorities such as Yazidis and Christians who have not choice but to be refugees, surely.
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November 15, 2015 2:41pm
Stars And Stripes

Since the Human Rights Commission and the Islamic Association with Devoy just can’t bring themselves to say it in plain English without getting all wish washy and apologist I will state it for them.
Anyone who supports, condones, attempts to justify or downplays what happened in France has no place living in a civilized society and should leave immediately as you are beneath contempt.
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November 15, 2015 2:43pm
blazeoflight

Jack5, the article is written in a US context, and if you spend anytime in US news sites eg Fox, you will indeed see that request pop up frequently, as it does in this country.

A call for dissociation, for example, by a local Muslim leader in response to Islamic attacks, springs from that well.

As for your puerile suggestion that war refugees are cowards for not leaving their peaceful daily jobs to fight a well trained and well armed force, it taints the actions of those who correctly, and at great personal risk, do their best to get their families to safety.
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November 15, 2015 2:55pm
blazeoflight

@StarsandStripes

If we refuse to understand our contribution to what drives these acts, we are indeed doomed to perpetual war.
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November 15, 2015 2:58pm
stigie

“bent over with arse cheeks spread well apart”.

Fascinated with bums again Starbored you ole flog ?
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November 15, 2015 3:02pm
Jack5

Blazeoflight’s 2.55 post included:

As for your puerile suggestion that war refugees are cowards for not leaving their peaceful daily jobs to fight a well trained and well armed force, it taints the actions of those who correctly, and at great personal risk, do their best to get their families to safety.

But why are so many of the refugees flooding into Europe young men travelling without families?
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November 15, 2015 3:04pm
Stars And Stripes

Blazeoflight-our contribution to what drives these acts.
Yes our contribution entails letting in hoards of religious cranks under the guise of humanitarianism to kill us all and try to destroy our way of life.
All other excuses and justifications are just lefty apologist nonsense.
These people are stone age savages who do not respond to kindness and only know violence so lets give them more but about one thousand percent more in intensity and see who is left standing.
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November 15, 2015 3:20pm
Viking2

It is Marseille, France’s second largest city! ´´Non , c’est devenu la 1ère ´´…
And do you know what is the second language spoken in Marseille?
It’s French. The first is Arabic.
Give them Paradise and they will turn it to a garbage bin.
France is already gone.
Gaddafi once said in a speech that there was no need to invade Europe,
Because in 20 years Europe would be Muslim.
It has been reported in the London Daily Mail (January 2014)
That 50% of all babies born in the UK in 2012 and 2013 were Muslim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM
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November 15, 2015 3:21pm
stephieboy

Viking 2, Gadafi’s speech ? Could you source that ?

The 7% Muslim poulation in France is a legacy of Colonialism in North Africa and have been there beginning in the c 1920s

“That 50% of all babies born in the UK in 2012 and 2013 were Muslim.”

Again sources please ?
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November 15, 2015 3:25pm
blazeoflight

Jack5

The young men go first to both protect them from being targeted for compulsory recruitment by rebel groups (or government forces, in some cases) and to prepare the way for their families to follow.

However, if you watch overseas coverage eg Al Jazeera, you will see lots of families trying to make their escape.

You need to stop inventing justifications for your prejudices and just meet them head on.
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November 15, 2015 3:47pm
blazeoflight

Stephie

He quoted the Daily Mail

O dear.
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November 15, 2015 3:49pm
Harriet

“….If we refuse to understand our contribution to what drives these acts, we are indeed doomed to perpetual war….”

Our mere existence. They don’t, and will not ever accept the way WE want to live.

Muslims bought this war upon the West – the continuation of their 1400yld ‘faith’ as that is what they have ALWAYS done —- rejected ALL else other than Islam. Nothing else is to exist on earth.

Muslims behaving like this in Europe is simply a battle amongst the war – as Muslims have only recently arrived ‘back in Europe” and are now again waging war there. It will last for at least 200yrs.

I don’t think Europe will behave anything like Israel has — 13yrs of that shit without retaliation?

“Show restraint” — wasn’t that what all of Europe demanded of Israel?
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November 15, 2015 4:03pm
Jack5

Re Blazeoflight at 3.47:

The young men go first to both protect them from being targeted for compulsory recruitment by rebel groups (or government forces, in some cases) and to prepare the way for their families to follow.

Well they could stand and fight, couldn’t they?

As for your:

You need to stop inventing justifications for your prejudices and just meet them head on.

Perhaps you need to stop justifying Islamic violence and border crashing, and see why the West feels threatened, perhaps more because these events will likely trigger a new rise of fascist governments in Europe.

What is your point about the Daily Mail? Is it too Right wing for you and the Stephieboy syndicate?
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November 15, 2015 4:03pm
sam green

@viking2

“And do you know what is the second language spoken in Marseille?
It’s French. The first is Arabic.”

Viking2. That is from the “golden report” and it’s a lie and it’s damn nasty and hatemongering to be reporting that as fact. Been to Marseille lately?

You are perpetuating hatred and you should stop it.
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November 15, 2015 4:03pm
Griff

What is your point about the Daily Mail? Is it too Right wing for you and the Stephieboy syndicate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEIryW8zA
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November 15, 2015 4:05pm
Stars And Stripes

Perpetuating hatred-no that is what happened in Paris Sam Green.
The only reason lefties like you have the right of free speech to spread your contempt of the West is because our grandfathers had the moral fortitude to stand and fight evil where they saw it unlike the cowards masquerading as liberals now who just want to roll over and give their country away to barbaric savages.
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November 15, 2015 4:11pm
blazeoflight

The Daily Mail is not exactly renowned as an accurate source of facts.

I’ve seen that 50% Muslim births claim before: it’s ludicrous.
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November 15, 2015 4:13pm
blazeoflight

That’s the one, Jack, stand and fight and hopefully die before you see your Dad and brothers killed and your mother and sisters raped and tortured.

Nice empathy.
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November 15, 2015 4:16pm
blazeoflight

Harriet

Muslims did not ask the US etc (including European Jews) to invade and occupy and even steal their lands. Sykes-Picot was not a peaceable gift to Arabs. Even then, Arabs were remarkably restrained and basically cooperated with the new order.

But From the moment the Saudis allowed their land to be used as a base to invade Iraq (and even worse, not immediately leave when Saddam was toppled -pun intended) it was always going to go this way unless we had a sudden surge of wisdom.

No chance of that, sadly.
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November 15, 2015 4:23pm
Gulag1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc-RWtovrqg
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November 15, 2015 4:25pm
Viking2

Oh Dear.

how to piss off your customers 101

https://www.youtube.com/embed/LaWt2Y9tmuE?rel=0
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November 15, 2015 4:26pm
Stars And Stripes

Blaze- please send us reports from the next Green Party conference will you after you have finished co authoring the conflict resolution sections. Should be a good laugh.
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November 15, 2015 4:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oiok25i5phiz1da/Bombs%20for%20ISIS.jpg?dl=0
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November 15, 2015 4:35pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zncglhsscvovl3d/Peace%202.jpg?dl=0
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November 15, 2015 4:51pm
Manolo

On the footsteps of Obama. Another president born somewhere else. 😀
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/13/gabon-birther-ali-bongo

Gabon’s very own birther controversy has taken a new twist after a French court ordered President Ali Bongo Ondimba to produce his birth certificate.

Bongo’s identity has been the subject of debate since the publication of a book last year that claimed he is not the natural-born son of former President Omar Bongo. Author Pierre Péan said that Bongo is actually Nigerian, and was adopted during the 1967-70 Biafran war.
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November 15, 2015 5:04pm
blazeoflight

@StarsandStripes

I’m not a Green, but, since you ask…

Given where we are, what should we do next?

My answer is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Iran, at a minimum, assist Assad by setting up a front and a rear position, first, to stop further advances, and then to remorselessly turn the screws on ISIS, methodically cutting off their supply lines, including of recruits, and cut off the head of the monster. The US/NATO can pay for this.

At the same time, we must stop killing civilians with our bombs, utilise more conventional means of apprehending and removing from circulation the criminals – as opposed to genuine resistance fighters – and use our heads instead of boofhead grunts to resolve grievances.

This means, Western troops GTFO of the ME.
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November 15, 2015 5:33pm
Stars And Stripes

The use our heads instead of grunts sounds a bit like a kumbaya session to me blaze.
The UN wrote the textbook on this and look what they achieve daily-didly squat.
The rest is worth a look.
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November 15, 2015 5:50pm
nasska

A commenter earlier on referred to Winston Churchill & his opinions of Islam. Presumably this would be the result of his experiences in the Sudan which inspired his book ‘The River War’ published in 1899. An extract:

….”How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”….

Little has changed.
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November 15, 2015 6:20pm
starboard

Meanwhile, the treaty gravy train carries on unabated..”toot t$$t ”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/74035296/rangitaane-o-manawatu-signs-treaty-settlement-with-crown
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November 15, 2015 6:29pm
mikenmild

Where’s your pal dirty harry today, starboard?
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