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mikenmild

Yes Kimbo, but it’s GD so you can’t really get off topic, can you?
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November 11, 2015 12:32pm
Shawn Herles

“I know that English comprehension is not necessarily a prerequisite for working in the public service, but come on!”

Heh! 🙂
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November 11, 2015 12:32pm
dime

milky – i wouldnt answer your garbage question either.

EAD – cheers! i forget to check reds blog. i see him on twitter a bit though
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November 11, 2015 12:35pm
stephieboy

Kimbo, inadequate English or not I think my point is pretty clear and as.per my post at .12.00 pm .

Many of those detainees will becoming back to their country of origin , burning cages or not and whether you and others like it or not .A country that observes civilised norms and values even if you and others may detest and dislike them or not !

End of story . Time to move on !
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November 11, 2015 12:39pm
mikenmild

dime
Perhaps you will also be taking EAD’s advice to stock up on gold and ammo because the world’s economy is collapsing. I’m telling you it’s not, but it’s over to you whom to believe.
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November 11, 2015 12:41pm
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Yes Kimbo, but it’s GD so you can’t really get off topic, can you?

Ah, trying to get out of a hole by digging.

Well, that is the principle of “discussion” by which UglyTruth operates, so if you want to emulate his illustrious example, go for it.

But then, even though you just posted that within the broader GD discussion(s), nonetheless you did so with a specific intent, and it would be hermeneutically illegitimate for me to interpret your words to mean “Shawn Herles is right and I am nothing but a depraved drug-addicted sodomite”, so the answer to your question is

…no.
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November 11, 2015 12:41pm
Manolo

Caning a modern-day “historian”:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bill-oreilly-makes-a-mess-of-history/2015/11/10/03ef0d94-87d9-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

Were the lungs the seat of wisdom, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly would be wise, but they are not and he is not. So it is not astonishing that he is doubling down on his wager that the truth cannot catch up with him. It has, however, already done so.
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November 11, 2015 12:41pm
calendar girl

dave_c_ @ 10:41am – thanks for providing the link.

Firstly I tried earlier – relatively gently – to alert you to the fact that ‘cojent’ is not a word that most of us would recognise. But you insist on repeating ‘cojent’. The word that you are seeking is ‘cogent’. It’s too good a word to subject to that kind of abuse.

Secondly, I’ve read the item you supplied from the prolific pen of Paul Craig Roberts. Debating with him is usually futile, given his often extravagant criticism of so many policies of the US Government. There are elements of the TTP that are worrying, of course, but equally there are aspects of increased international trade which are well-proven to be beneficial for trading partners involved. I don’t accept that the TTP is a one-way disaster because it has a number of shortcomings. Some changes may yet occur as the TTP goes through its national ratification processes – let’s hope so. Meantime, let’s also keep the wider issues relating to the overall Treaty in proportion.

You’re free, and welcome, to support what PCR writes – that’s the entitlement of everyone. But where did I “try… to poo poo (your) posts”? I didn’t. I merely asked you to do readers the courtesy of providing an identifiable source for the quotation that you relied on and endorsed. We were entitled, in my view, to be able to see such quotation in its full context.
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November 11, 2015 12:43pm
Mike

Was having a quiet one at the pub. I had a lot on my mind and appreciated the time alone. This chap comes up and starts conversation. Fair enough i thought, a decent bloke wanting to chat a bit. After a short while he expects me to buy him a beer as utu for this company i never asked for or wanted. Get fucked mate.
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November 11, 2015 12:44pm
Kimbo

@ stephieboy

Kimbo, inadequate English or not I think my point is pretty clear and as.per my post at .12.00 pm .

Many of those detainees will becoming back to their country of origin , burning cages or not and whether you and others like it or not .A country that observes civilised norms and values even if you and others may detest and dislike them or not !

End of story . Time to move on !

…says the Drama Queen as she exits stage right 😉

So you don’t want to engage with the idea that your “burning cages/nazis/Genghis Khan” analogies were over-wrought and out of place in New Zealand or Australia in 2015? Nah…you’re right. “Outrage” is usually the default setting of the left wing, especially when they are losing an adult’s discussion of ideas.
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November 11, 2015 12:47pm
wikiriwhis business

Mike Sabin in court on indecent assault charges; April 2015: http://www.laudafinem.com/…/mike-sabin-puts-in-appearance-…/
Sabin sexual assault case – The shroud of political corruption and coverup moves to NZs High Court http://www.laudafinem.com/…/sabin-sexual-assault-case-the-…/
John Key sparks walkout after saying Labour party supports rapists and murderers on Christmas Island: http://www.stuff.co.nz/…/john-key-sparks-walkout-after-sayi…
10.11.15 Question 1, Andrew Little to PM: What action, if any, has he taken to follow up on his statement to Malcolm Turnbull regarding New Zealand-born Australian detainees on Christmas Island, “I think, in the spirit of mateship, there should be some compassion shown”? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNhpJ4ohTA
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November 11, 2015 12:53pm
AgentBallSack

stephie:

AgentBallSack (1,021 comments) says:
November 10th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Step one – put the child molesters in with the violent rapists, eye for an eye and all that.

Step two – put the child molesters in with the murderers and let prison nature take its course.

Step three – put the rapists in a cell with the murderers

Step four – Drop the cell in the Kermadec Trench

Problem solved!

I never said anything about burning people in cages, so stop projecting that on me – thanks.
But there is a group of people out there that does that, remind me of their name again would you? There’s a good chap.
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November 11, 2015 12:56pm
Griff

Kimbo

So you don’t want to engage with the idea that your “burning cages/nazis/Genghis Khan” analogies were over-wrought and out of place in New Zealand or Australia in 2015?

EAD is a fuckin nazi…….
We have had jack 5 insisting that the Geneva convention should be ignored and kow tow proposal to treat isis the same as they behave towards enemy’s
I dont think anything is over the top compered to the extreme rubbish some conservatives post.
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November 11, 2015 12:58pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BSwxqUShVA

http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
The European Commission is preparing to target people who hyperlink on the internet, forcing search engines and news portals to pay media companies for linking to their content.
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November 11, 2015 12:58pm
wikiriwhis business

“We have had jack 5 insisting that the Geneva convention should be ignored ”

J Key said the same thing on Paul Henry this morning
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November 11, 2015 1:00pm
Kimbo

@ Griff

EAD is a fuckin nazi…….

Yeah, we all know that! 😉 And regulars know very well the cut of the gib of jack5 and kowtow!

But for about the 3rd time stephieboy injected the Godwins comparison into the Christmas Island detention and deportation issue.

FFS, can no one follow the thread of a discussion any more?! I blame the education system for such wilfulness…
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November 11, 2015 1:03pm
AgentBallSack

I don’t know what’s worse. Belonging to the Nazi Party or belonging to the Labour Party. Both require a certain degree of wilful ignorance and doublethought.
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November 11, 2015 1:10pm
Kimbo

@ AgentBallSack

That’s awfully close to invoking BallSacks Law (TM).

Would you care to make the comparison to ISIS, and then you’ve nailed it?
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November 11, 2015 1:16pm
wikiriwhis business

Malcolm Urlich “Public statement to the New Zealand public!”

If” I were PM of NZ, and or “If” am to become the future PM of NZ, the first policy I would implement is this. 1. If politicians intend to agree upon the decision to go to war in support of our allied forces, then each politician that agrees, must first, have at least 1or 2 members from their immediate family, that will be drafted, into the NZDFs, and sent to war! Why? Because in the past and currently now at this point of time in history, world leaders and their associates tend to send everybody else’s family members to war, instead of their own! 2. As PM of NZ I will be the first to lead on the field of war and the last NZer to leave the field of war, dead or alive! I say and articulate so that others reading this post are not confused I said “first to lead” that doesn’t mean I’m in “charge of military operations and or strategies” there’s a difference! 3. All politicians for one year will be on minimum wage, so as to get a taste of what the NZ general public (the 99%) are tasting, we will be also! Our salaries are not determined by the free markets nonsense-“supply and demand!” Since the free markets can be manipulated by the elites to benefit themselves and not the 99%! Yes I understand we work tirelessly and hard, however, that comes with the territory when you are a politician. A choice we made! This stops politicians from making “naive interventions” such as financial decisions (think Rogernomics), trade policies (think TPPA), and personal decisions (think anti-obesity and anti-smacking legislation) which affects the livelihoods, quality of life and well-being of the 99% and not the politicians themselves! With the Rogernomics policy, the 99% were left to deal with unemployment, increased food prices at supermarkets (inflation), paying for educational, medical and health care expenses due to privatisation-no longer funded by the government! And yet Mr Douglas was “Knighted” for his sterling strict disciplinary economic measures he imposed speedily upon the NZ public! Unaware of the grasp of risk and harm he had put the NZ public through, he was not held accountable neither responsible for the harm he “contributed” to, the “cause” being downright “bad luck” that the international community had embraced and accepted “Neoliberalism financial dealings-which places profits over people and the environment!” His actions personally for me were “criminal” and he will be placed and held accountable for his actions very soon! Never again will NZ politicians make decisions on our behalf, believing in Helen Clarke’s nonsense claim “We have the expertise and the resources we know what’s best! (for the rest).” Politicians under my reign will represent and voice the concerns of the 99%. The 99% will decide for themselves what policies they desire in order to benefit themselves rather than how it is today-benefits the elites and not the 99%, most if not all of the time!”
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November 11, 2015 1:21pm
kowtow

“And regulars know very well the cut of the gib of jack5 and kowtow!”

And a very fine jib indeed! A thorough sea going British man o’war not some Arab dhow!
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November 11, 2015 1:29pm
Gabby

Did Ponyboy’s pants catch fire? That would have wiped the smirk off Dipshit Henry’s fatuous mug.
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November 11, 2015 1:29pm
Gabby

Capman, you stupid boy, you know where oldfart got his bullshit numbers from I take it?
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November 11, 2015 1:39pm
Griff

And a very fine jib indeed! A thorough sea going British man o’war not some Arab dhow!

More like my mizzen stay sail
Big piece of shit that just sits in the locker wasting space as it is useless 99% of the time and needs to much work to fly.
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November 11, 2015 1:40pm
kowtow

griff

Did I ever tell you ,you’re a real gent, all class?
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November 11, 2015 1:43pm
mikenmild

kowtow doesn’t like you, Griff. That must really hurt.
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November 11, 2015 1:52pm
Kimbo

For what it is worth, kowtow, I despise some of your politics and views on life…but at least you argue your (at times extreme) point with restrained language and now and then, as per 1:29pm, with a modicum of wit and a sense of irony…which is more than can be said of some of your critics…

And thank you for correcting my spelling of ‘jib’.
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November 11, 2015 1:57pm
renderer

Gabby there appears to be a massive disconnect between your brain and your mouth.
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November 11, 2015 1:58pm
SGA

Kimbo at 1:03 pm

FFS, can no one follow the thread of a discussion any more?! I blame the education system for such wilfulness…

Given what I’d guess is the age of the average commentator here, I think that horse has long since bolted. 🙂
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November 11, 2015 1:58pm
Manolo

Rebellion against Mamma Merkel:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/11984378/Angela-Merkel-faces-outright-rebellion-within-her-own-party-over-refugee-crisis.html

Angela Merkel is facing an outright rebellion within her own party after two of her most senior ministers directly challenged her “open-door” refugee policy.

The German chancellor’s office was forced to intervene at the weekend to block an unauthorised attempt by Thomas de Maiziere, the interior minister, to change the asylum rules for Syrian refugees. But Wolfgang Schäuble, the influential finance minister, has since come out in support of Mr de Maiziere’s initiative, alongside a host of senior party figures.
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November 11, 2015 2:01pm
kowtow

manolo

Rebellion against Mutti merkel.

At what point I wonder, do people have the right to overthrow a govt that ignores them and is prepared to literally destroy the finances, future and culture of the country?

That is what she’s doing. Acting as an elected dictator .
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November 11, 2015 2:05pm
Manolo

@kowtow: I hope sooner than later Merkel’s agenda will be defeated.
Hordes and hordes of uneducated refugees cannot be good for Germany.
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November 11, 2015 2:09pm
kowtow

kimbo , me Presbyterian ole shipmate, kowtow is strictly a constitutionalist ,not an extreme in his old bones.

Modicum of wit? So you’re not recommending I try live stand up?
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November 11, 2015 2:11pm
stephieboy

Agentballsup, Labour likened to the Nazi party ? No none of them am aware dress up in brownshirts and Jack boots etc that you seem to like to do ?

Isn’t time for you to return to planet Nimbus along with your soul mates kowtow and Manolo etc ?
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November 11, 2015 2:11pm
Griff

kowtow doesn’t like you, Griff. That must really hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo
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November 11, 2015 2:14pm
cha

Another squaddie arrested.
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November 11, 2015 2:16pm
kowtow

grief

Seeing as we’re bing nautical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXVnmL1Kvmg
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November 11, 2015 2:16pm
Griff

Is your name cooper Kow tow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV6R0I2oHKY
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November 11, 2015 2:19pm
cha

Lets go nautical and Gael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw
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November 11, 2015 2:24pm
stephieboy

I do hope someone might chase Reid up about his new found love affair with Nortb Korean Propoganda you tube the Axis of evil .This on top of an other propaganda outlet the Iran Fars Nees agency’.

There must be a relief in Pyiongong and Tehren they have such a receptive and gullible audience .
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November 11, 2015 2:56pm
AgentBallSack

“….Several of them, including Greens’ Metiria Turei, Jan Logie, Catherine Delahunty, and Labour’s Poto Williams revealed that they were victims of assault ”

Way to deflect the issue girls.
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November 11, 2015 3:01pm
Lance

I have to conclude that being left wing gives you brain damage after today’s farce.
Certain women M.P. are outraged that KJ is saying we don’t want rapists back in NZ (in effect) or at the very least are not worth becoming apoplectic over. And these air heads (including Jan Logie) storm out of the debating chamber and start teary eyed recounting being a sexual abuse survivor WTF????????????

Total and utter logic fail
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November 11, 2015 3:18pm
AgentBallSack

Seems like you are more likely to be a sexual abuse victim if you belong to the Greens.
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November 11, 2015 3:25pm
mikenmild

Certain women M.P. are outraged that KJ is saying we don’t want rapists back in NZ (in effect)

No, Key is saying he does want the rapists here. But that’s not really the point.
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November 11, 2015 3:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kimbo et al

FFS, can no one follow the thread of a discussion any more?!

Well, I have to admire your ability in so doing.

You would have thought that with 7000+ comments to their name, folks might have learnt how to hone an argument.

Still, if folks are struggling with spelling, grammar, fact-checking, good manners, etc, you might have to manage the entire shebang alone.

I’m sure you could summarise your opponents’ case(s) in a few crisp phrases and save us all this visual agony.
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November 11, 2015 3:30pm
AgentBallSack

mikenmild stop talking bullshit.
Key has never said he wants rapists in NZ so stop spouting retarded Standard dribble. He has said if Australia deports them there’s fuck all we can do about it. Unless you have got a better plan?
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November 11, 2015 3:30pm
stephieboy

Agentballsup,you will find something at 2.11 pm that will be to your advantage .!
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November 11, 2015 3:39pm
thedavincimode

This walkout has registered at about 99.9% on my fuckwittedlytenuousbasisforoffenceometer. I imagine that .1% headroom is only because Key did actually use the word “rapists”. I’m not sure why that should be but use of the word by those who aren’t of the male persuasion appears to be increasingly frowned upon. Perhaps the meter has been calibrated accordingly.
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November 11, 2015 3:44pm
Kimbo

@ Maggy Wassilieff

Still, if folks are struggling with spelling, grammar, fact-checking, good manners, etc, you might have to manage the entire shebang alone.

I’m sure you could summarise your opponents’ case(s) in a few crisp phrases and save us all this visual agony.

he he he. No, I’ll just stick to the ones with whom I engage, or those who do likewise. Except for UglyTruth. He forfeited the privilege of my helpful input. You’ve been warned. 😉

And grammar and spell-checking? Nope. I don’t usually go to that level. Especially as I can’t spell ‘jib’ properly at the first go
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November 11, 2015 3:47pm
RightNow

“No, Key is saying he does want the rapists here.”

What Key said was that Australia is deporting certain undesirables to their country of origin, and Key and his ministers have engaged with the Australian government in an appropriate manner but that Australia has the legal right to deport these people.

The thrust of Labour’s argument is that some of the NZers who face deportation are being held at Australia’s Immigration Detention facility on Christmas Island and that the conditions at that facility aren’t very nice. Angry Little wants John Key to get on the phone to Malcolm Turnbull and get the NZ detainees (including rapists, murderers and child abusers) private suites with spa baths and Sky TV or something.

The thrust of mikenmild’s argument appears to be that although John Key and his ministers have actually done everything appropriately, Key schooled Angry Andy in the debating chamber and ouch, mikey’s butt really hurts.
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November 11, 2015 3:50pm
thedavincimode

Question 1. (95 marks)

Consider the following statements as if they were made by a white male over 12 years of age:

(a) Crikey, it was so hot last night; I woke up sweating like a rapist.

(b) I am a male and by definition a rapist.

(c) I don’t want rapists coming to our country.

Which of these statements represent(s) an acceptable use of the word “rapist” by accepting personal responsibility for New Zealand’s rape culture, and which of these statements is completely unacceptable because it perpetuates the New Zealand rape culture and sexual suppression and objectification of women by our white male dominated society?

Question 2 ( 5 marks)

Discuss Leo Tolstoy’s War and peace in not less than 10,000 words.
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November 11, 2015 3:59pm
SPC

He’s a former soldier in our army, is working across in Oz, then gets tasered and placed in prison.

He has been never been charged with a crime, either here or in Oz.

His offence is being the member of an Oz motor cycle club – not an offence for someone Australian but apparently grounds for a Maori/Kiwi to be tasered and incarcerated without charge or trial.

This is not merely racist, but implies that any Kiwi legally with residence and right to work in Oz can be targeted for intimidation to force them back to New Zealand at any time Australia chooses.

Oz is drunk and out of control on an anti-Kiwi binge and if our government does nothing about this it would be clearly the most cowardly government on the planet, as no other country would put up with it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11543381

PS – apparently Kiwis have been targeted for persecution in Oz on a scale rarely seen in any democratic nation.
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November 11, 2015 4:15pm
SPC

New Zealanders in Oz no longer have freedom of assembly rights – they can be deported on “character” (by association) grounds at any time.

Joining a motor cycle club is on the list, next going to a mosque or being unmarried as they are in same sex relationships – then forming ex-pat groups to campaign for the rights of Kiwis in Oz?

Given New Zealanders in Oz are the largest group of people impacted by this draconian legislation – one has to look at this as Oz using systematic persecution to remove as many New Zealanders as they can from Oz.

First the ones most easy to marginalise, the unemployed, the sick, the old, those with form, those who are Maori in groups with others, religious and sexual behaviour minorities, then those who would defend the human rights of these people – civil libertarians.

Oz the new reich.
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November 11, 2015 4:43pm
AgentBallSack

stephiebitch I saw your comment and ignored it.
However it did make me think about my grandfather who I memorialised yesterday, remembering him 39 years to the day he died. Kind of apt he was a Gunner in the New Zealand Expeditionary Force, defending the rights of cretins like you to have an opinion.

So by all means have at me with your comments about Nazis. I know where I come from and find your attempts to slur me juvenile.
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November 11, 2015 4:45pm
Kimbo

@ SPC

Oz the new reich.

Too late – stephieboy’s claimed today’s Godwin’s prize…repeatedly.

However, if you would like to make a comparison with ISIS, then you qualify for the newly-formulated Ballsack’s Law® award.
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November 11, 2015 4:47pm
mikenmild

I think the Nazi comparison is over the top. But the Aussies are not exactly showing the Anzac spirit, are they, so I think we are entitled to get a bit upset with them.
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November 11, 2015 4:49pm
Left Right and Centre

Life can be very, very, very cruel indeed . . . NZ triathlon representative Andrea Hewitt, 33, suffers the loss of her recently retired French triathlete fiance Laurent Vidal, 31, to a heart attack.

Thirty-one.
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November 11, 2015 4:57pm
SPC

Kimbo, your apology for those on the slippery slope course, which is the abandonment of civil liberties, is noted.

It seems to have escaped your attention – possibly because your own prejudice was being supported in this instance (as Germanic anti-Semitiicsm was in the 1930’s case) – the allusion I was drawing to in the well known 1930’s parallel (often resented by those who support others losing their civil liberties) was this.

The now well known saying – “first they came … ” you could google it if you do not know of it.
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November 11, 2015 4:58pm
All_on_Red

Sort of like “First they came for the drug dealing gun running murdering motorcycle gang members who weren’t Citizens and then they deported them”?
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November 11, 2015 5:02pm
Kimbo

@ SPC

It seems to have escaped your attention…The now well known saying – “first they came … ” you could google it if you do not know of it.

No, SPC, it didn’t escape my attention. As your original attempt was about as gauche, unsubtle and out of place as screaming “murder” over the theft of a thimble in a monastery, it was impossible to miss it.

Hell, even mikenmild is calling it OTT!

“First they came for the drug dealing gun running murdering motorcycle gang members who weren’t Citizens and then they deported them”?

Gold!
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November 11, 2015 5:05pm
SPC

All on Red, if the gang does these things and police know it and the Kiwi is involved then charge him with an offence. All we know is that he has a job and is living with his girlfriend and her child. A bit unusual for someone living off the proceeds of crime – when do they find the time?
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November 11, 2015 5:09pm
SPC

Kimbo, a slur about the motor cycle club you believe without evidence because it suits your prejudice about those people? And your prejudice is more important than civil liberties – where does that end?
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November 11, 2015 5:11pm
Shawn Herles

“where does that end?”

A better society.
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November 11, 2015 5:14pm
Ross12

Left Right and Centre

You are right, life can be very cruel. An absolute tragedy.

This guy dies of a heart attack ! Obviously very fit and I’m sure was eating “healthily” and has probably done so all his life given he was an Olympian.
It reminds me of the heart issues Peter Snell has had in recent years –again very fit, sports medicine expert so would live a healthy life style.
Just a reminder that we obviously do not everything about the human body and what negatively affects it.
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November 11, 2015 5:14pm
SPC

The Oz mind. Kiwis dole bludgers. End the benefit to Kiwis including access to support to children of working Kiwis. Kiwi criminals, deport all the Kiwis here who have form. Undesirable Kiwis – create a good character test and any Kiwi who fails it gets deported – decide that association with undesirable Australians is also a failure of the good character test.

Now how does this slope impact on the Ozzies who fit the undesirable type. First the Kiwis who associate with them and then it is their turn. Without any crime they too can be locked up as not of good character because of who they associate with.

Moslems, political activists etc.
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November 11, 2015 5:15pm
Shawn Herles

“mikenmild stop talking bullshit.”

I would not hold my breath if I were you ABS.
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November 11, 2015 5:16pm
All_on_Red

SPC
Perhaps they decided to just cut to chase and get rid of him.
Having a job doesn’t mean he doesn’t indulge in crime. You clearly know very little about motorcycle gangs
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November 11, 2015 5:19pm
Shawn Herles

“The Oz mind. Kiwis dole bludgers. End the benefit to Kiwis including access to support to children of working Kiwis. Kiwi criminals, deport all the Kiwis here who have form. Undesirable Kiwis – create a good character test and any Kiwi who fails it gets deported – decide that association with undesirable Australians is also a failure of the good character test.”

Looks like good common sense to me.

SPC, why do you think people have the right to move to another country, go on welfare, commit crimes, or associate with criminal gangs?
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November 11, 2015 5:19pm
Kimbo

@ SPC

Kimbo, a slur about the motor cycle club you believe without evidence because it suits your prejudice about those people? And your prejudice is more important than civil liberties – where does that end?

Not so. As I’ve noted elsewhere, it is a law that has been contemplated here, but rejected because it is probably bad legislation.

But what fool laws Aussie wants to pass is up to them. Don’t like it? Don’t live there. Problem sorted!

Sooking about it makes about as much sense as moaning they still have the death penalty in Mississippi
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November 11, 2015 5:19pm
mikenmild

Shawn
You haven’t vomited your usual spam links to National Review Online today. Are you feeling okay?
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November 11, 2015 5:20pm
nasska

Q “where does that end?”

A. A better society.

I’m not certain that I’d be a comfortable fit with a society where you can be deported because a neighbour or a policeman doesn’t like you.
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November 11, 2015 5:23pm
SPC

shawn, people who work in a country pay taxes to support others out of work. That Kiwis alone can work there and not get access to support when out of work is discriminatory.

Kiwis have no right to commit crimes in Oz, nor do locals. Until a group is defined in law as a criminal gang it is not one.
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November 11, 2015 5:30pm
gump

James Shaw landed a punch in parliament earlier today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQjtmuf2RMQ
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November 11, 2015 5:41pm
stigie

Well Gump, i thought he was a real dickhead today…?

Bloody disgraceful from all the left again !~
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November 11, 2015 5:45pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn
You haven’t vomited…”

You have. In fact the smell was so bad this happened:

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November 11, 2015 6:04pm
Shawn Herles

“James Shaw landed a punch”

Green party “men” don’t punch. It’s not PC. They just wag the fingers on their limp wrists in spittle flecked outrage that anyone would dare not feel sorry for the poor rapists and paedophiles.
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November 11, 2015 6:07pm
Lucia Maria

Kimbo,

But what fool laws Aussie wants to pass is up to them. Don’t like it? Don’t live there. Problem sorted!

This is the problem with internet debate. Your argument sounds great and reasonable, as many slogan type arguments do, but to debate it takes so many words. Let’s see if I can reduce the number of words to something that might resonate …

How’s this then? You get married to a foreign national. NZ passes laws that make it extremely difficult for foreigners to live here. You come onto Kiwiblog to complain and explain just how unjust this is, and a few of us agree. But the most vocal and annoying commenters trot out slogans such as yours, telling you and your wife to go and live somewhere else if you don’t like it.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are, since we are such close neighbours, what happens in Australia matters to us here. I used to live in Australia. My children were born there. My sister still lives there (married to an Australian). The company my husband works for is owned by an Australian one. If Australia passes fool laws, as a close neighbour, we need to help act as their conscience, as that is what you do for neighbours, friends and relatives. You don’t wash your hands of them. We are all in this life together after all and have some responsibility for what people choose to do around us.
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November 11, 2015 6:08pm
Manolo

Could he be Ginga Hughes?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/6737076/Superstar-Hollywood-womaniser-has-HIV.html
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November 11, 2015 6:17pm
RF

I know sexual abuse is a serious offence but really..have the majority of Labour & Greens females as claimed been victims of this. I struggle to believe that this is true. It appears to have been a planned walkout designed to embarrassed the Govt…..
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November 11, 2015 6:35pm
Manolo

Labour and Green MPs are actresses of the worst kind. This arvo they put out a badly performed show.
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November 11, 2015 6:38pm
dirty harry

and what an ugly henious looking lot they are, Delahunty looks like she flys a broomstick to work.
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November 11, 2015 6:55pm
Gabby

I trod in a dirty harry the other day. That’s you, that is.
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November 11, 2015 6:59pm
Shawn Herles

“Delahunty looks like she flys a broomstick to work.”

I suspect with that lot your statement is more accurate than you realize.
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November 11, 2015 7:15pm
lofty

Jingos Dirty Harry I will bet a dollar that offence will be taken at your comment, and you have been trod in by Gabby.

…respect…..
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November 11, 2015 7:19pm
stigie

I take offense at that, im going to sulk and walk out !~
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November 11, 2015 7:26pm
AgentBallSack

Kiwiblog poll for the night:
Who would you prefer as your new next door neighbor?

Upvote = Deported “Kiwi” Scum

Downvote = “Syrian” Refugee
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November 11, 2015 7:42pm
kowtow

None of the above
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November 11, 2015 7:45pm
dad4justice

So agent we get the choice of a tiny house next door or bomb mad muslim. Hard choice.

And stigfly please go away and spray yourself with raid – you irritating pest.
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November 11, 2015 7:45pm
dirty harry

Im offended that you are offended ..I feel a walkout coming on
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November 11, 2015 7:45pm
dirty harry

I’ll take the Syrian but she must be single with big breasts and no dependants.

Shit I’ll even change my name to Harry Akbar.
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November 11, 2015 7:47pm
mikenmild

ABS
I have no preference, except could you make sure it is not:
D4J, starboard/dirty harry, EAD or Shawn?
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November 11, 2015 7:47pm
nasska

My dream job of driving trucks in Australia turned into a nightmare when I broke down in the outback hundreds of kilometres from civilisation.

After three days the water ran out and I started drinking my own urine. After another three days I could no longer recycle my piss and realised I was out of options and had to accept the inevitable.

So I opened some of the Fosters I was delivering.
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November 11, 2015 7:49pm
Kimbo

@ Lucia Maria

Kimbo,

But what fool laws Aussie wants to pass is up to them. Don’t like it? Don’t live there. Problem sorted!

This is the problem with internet debate. Your argument sounds great and reasonable, as many slogan type arguments do, but to debate it takes so many words. Let’s see if I can reduce the number of words to something that might resonate …

How’s this then? You get married to a foreign national. NZ passes laws that make it extremely difficult for foreigners to live here. You come onto Kiwiblog to complain and explain just how unjust this is, and a few of us agree. But the most vocal and annoying commenters trot out slogans such as yours, telling you and your wife to go and live somewhere else if you don’t like it.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are, since we are such close neighbours, what happens in Australia matters to us here. I used to live in Australia. My children were born there. My sister still lives there (married to an Australian). The company my husband works for is owned by an Australian one. If Australia passes fool laws, as a close neighbour, we need to help act as their conscience, as that is what you do for neighbours, friends and relatives. You don’t wash your hands of them. We are all in this life together after all and have some responsibility for what people choose to do around us.

Actually, Lucia Maria, I’m not totally without sympathy. For reasons of her conversion to Christianity it is not safe for my wife or me to visit her (Muslim) homeland, so she will likely never see her elderly parents ever again. But then we both went in to our relationship with our eyes wide open…as should any couple of different nationalities. It is part of the “risk” you take, and the potential difficulties to be navigated, even with two seemingly close nations such as New Zealand and Australia.

However, having lived in Australia too, and observed their much more hard-nosed and less reflective attitudes compared to New Zealand, I would suggest the chances of New Zealand being able to “act as their conscience” (a role we should neither seek, aspire to, nor accept, btw), especially on the matter of getting tough on criminals and motor cycle gangs are

slim
negligible, and
non-existent

…and it is much more likely we will be perceived (quite rightly, IMHO, after Kelvin Davis more or less provoked and inspired a group of Kiwi detainees to riot on Christmas Island) as meddling in their affairs

…and which will only make them more determined, intransigent, and their politicians ever eager to give us the big “fuck you” so as to make themselves more popular for local consumption.

Those are my thoughts, anyway.
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November 11, 2015 7:50pm
dad4justice

Unlike you mouldy I don’t live in a fetid swamp.
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November 11, 2015 7:50pm
mikenmild

Of course not, D4J, we know you prefer hanging out in Hagley Park.
But you’ve got it wrong, as per usual: it’s Johnboy who lives in the swamp lands of Wainuiomata – I live in Lower Hutt (NOT an invitation to visit, btw).
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November 11, 2015 7:53pm
dirty harry

MM will live anywhere so long as there is a gloryhole close by..the dirty homo
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November 11, 2015 7:57pm
stigie

Evening Mad Dad from Hagley ?
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November 11, 2015 7:57pm
Johnboy

I wouldn’t visit milky either dad.

You’d have to drink at the Bell! 🙂
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November 11, 2015 7:58pm
AgentBallSack

Exactly Kimbo, we aren’t the South Pacific version of a moral compass.
Typical fucking unions dominated Labour thinking they can bully another country into doing something. Or doing the typical union tactic of a walkout..Just another bloody reason they are unfit to govern.
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November 11, 2015 7:59pm
EAD

The grand strategy explained – get all the muzzies to flee the ME by destabilising regimes and creating conflict so eventually the Zionists can create their “greater Istael:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
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November 11, 2015 8:00pm
nasska

…..”Actually, Lucia Maria, I’m not totally without sympathy. For reasons of her conversion to Christianity it is not safe for my wife or me to visit her (Muslim) homel”…..

Easily solved. Put your Bible inside the cover of a copy of the Quran…..then stuff the Missus into a black tent & a burqa. Before that don’t wash for three months, buy an inflatable love goat & learn to roll your own plastic explosive.

You’ll fit in like the last piece of a jigsaw puzzle. 🙂
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