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October 3, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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mikenmild

You need something explained, Jack? I’ll help if I can.
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October 3, 2015 5:41pm
Jack5

A GOOD READ FOR SILVER FERN FARMERS!

Brian Gaynor has another good article in the Hooerald today on the Chinese bid for control of Silver Fern Farms that is being sold as a partnership with the present co-op.

Here is one interesting extract:

The partnership agreement contains a “Casting Vote Matters” clause whereby the Shanghai Maling appointed Co-Chairperson has a casting vote. This casting vote will apply in the following situations:

• On the approval of the annual business plan.

• On the approval of the annual budget.

• On the approval of the annual financial statements.

• On the appointment or dismissal of the chief executive and determination of the chief executive’s compensation arrangements.

• In relation to the dividend policy and the quantum and timing of dividends.

The full article is here:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11522985
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October 3, 2015 5:51pm
Jack5

Re milky at 5.41:

Your kind offer of help is acknowledged, but dismissed.
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October 3, 2015 5:52pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Is russia’s military intervention in Syria a subtle effort to screw Europe further by increasing the flow of refugees?
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October 3, 2015 6:40pm
Viking2

Labour MP David Cunliffe joins a protester at Bunnings New Lynn.

Bunnings workers protested at one of the country’s newest DIY stores as the deadlock continues over new contracts.

About 40 staff picketed outside Bunnings New Lynn in West Auckland on Saturday, just a few months after the mega-store opened.

It is the latest strike action against Bunnings as workers protest new contracts across the country.

First Union secretary Maxine Gay said the DIY store is refusing to compromise with workers.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/72669989/bunnings-workers-walk-off-the-job

What a shit for brain. Just as well he never made the Grade up stairs.
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October 3, 2015 6:42pm
Reid

First Union secretary Maxine Gay said the DIY store is refusing to compromise with workers.

Under the contracts, workers would lose the right to mutually agree with their employer over hours and rosters, she said.

“Management will have the power to chop and change start and finish times, even what days of the week a worker is rostered on for can change on a manager’s whim.”

Fucken hell. The employer can tell the employee when they want them to turn up and leave. What a pack of utter bastards. How dare they. What next. Demand a dress code? Luckily Dave’s right onto it, let’s hope though that instead of tooting, no-one tries to run him over instead. That’d be a national tragedy.
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October 3, 2015 7:04pm
Fletch

What’s interesting about the shooting in Oregon yesterday where the gunman killed based on whether his targets were Christian or not.. You don’t see hashtags popping up like #ChristianLivesMatter or similar. If the victims had been black or Muslim there would have been a national outcry. Instead of politicizing the event over gun control Obama would have got up and condemned the religious intolerance of the shootings. What we get instead is largely an apathetic response around the fact that the victims were Christian, and the few networks that report the fact do it as a sidebar and it is not discussed.
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October 3, 2015 7:16pm
mikenmild

I’m not sure it’s that clear cut, Fletch. The report I saw said the gunman asked what religion they were; but then opened fire indiscriminately. Seems most likely that he hated everyone.
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October 3, 2015 7:19pm
cha

What’s interesting Fletch is was the top plod watching, listening, and keeping an open mind..

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/10/02/sheriff-investigating-oregon-shooting-promoted-sandy-hook-conspiracy-video/
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October 3, 2015 7:37pm
cha

Jeb’s getting flogged on #stuffhappens.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/02/jeb-bush-is-criticized-for-saying-stuff-happens-in-reaction-to-oregon-shooting/?_r=0
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October 3, 2015 7:48pm
Manolo

Another bad omen, according to EAD: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3257156/U-S-job-growth-seen-accelerating-leaving-Fed-closer-hike.html
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October 3, 2015 8:06pm
Manolo

The corrupt veteran will never leave FIFA voluntarily: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/02/coca-cola-mcdonalds-fifa-president-sepp-blatter-stand-down

Four of Fifa’s leading sponsors – Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Visa and Budweiser – have demanded that its embattled president, Sepp Blatter, step down immediately in the face of a continuing corruption crisis.
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October 3, 2015 8:11pm
Reid

The report I saw said the gunman asked what religion they were; but then opened fire indiscriminately. Seems most likely that he hated everyone.

The report I saw said he shot the Christians in the head and he shot the others in the leg. So apparently, it did matter.

The whole thing for this reason – that a white guy asks about religion – therefore screams psyop. WTF does a white guy growing up in the US care about someone’s religion?

Could be wrong, and let’s see what happens.

But no doubt, in either case, the sheeple will still go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

because the idiots just can’t believe psyops happen so they don’t even bothering educating themselves on how they work. More fool them.
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October 3, 2015 8:14pm
kowtow

Who wants pandas from this bunch of criminals?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3257383/Thousands-religious-prisoners-China-livers-kidneys-corneas-ripped-ALIVE-sell-transplant-tourists-claims-new-film.html
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October 3, 2015 8:14pm
cha

Yeah, they’re the good guys.
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http://gawker.com/the-nras-top-attorney-was-convicted-of-murder-in-1964-1612596516
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October 3, 2015 8:15pm
nasska

From Manolo’s 8.06pm link:

….”Economists surveyed by Reuters forecast U.S. payrolls outside of farming rose by 203,000 last month, bouncing back from softer job growth in August despite worries a China-led global economic slowdown is sapping America’s strength.”…..

Doom & gloom! Alas! More doom & gloom! The vultures are circling!

Where’s Kiwiblog’s financial oracle when you need him for comment? 🙂
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October 3, 2015 8:19pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

MIL OSI Analysis – EveningReport.nz – (3 October 2015)

Source: Professor Jane Kelsey.

Professor Jane Kelsey.

‘We are told they may be close to reaching a final deal on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) in Atlanta, and longer monopolies for Big Pharma over biologic medicines is the final sticking point’, according to Professor Jane Kelsey, who is in touch with people on the ground in Atlanta.

The US is insisting on eight years total monopoly protection. Several countries are holding firm. But there are real fears New Zealand could cave.

Trade Minister Tim Groser.

Trade Minister Groser is quoted in this morning’s Herald as saying every country will have to swallow multiple dead rats to finalise the deal in an ‘ugly compromise’.

‘In New Zealand’s case, the dead rat seems to be a dairy for medicines deal’, said Professor Kelsey.

“If this happens, we can expect the Minister to hail the “net benefits” of the TPPA to New Zealand, playing up supposed gains to dairy exports that remain to be seen, and playing down New Zealand’s agreement to longer monopoly protection for biologics.’

‘But the stark reality is that any such deal to close the TPPA would cost New Zealander’s lives.’

Health economists calculate that every added year of protection for biologics would cost New Zealand many tens of millions of dollars in current spending, and much more in the future as more biologics come on stream.

‘Future New Zealand governments would have to stump up hundreds of millions of dollars more to Pharmac. Yet this year the National government refused to fund even the modest budget increase Pharmac sought to meet rising costs.’

‘Cancer sufferers in Atlanta described the biologics provision as a “death sentence clause”. Do Prime Minister Key and Minister Groser want that recorded as their legacy?’

– See more at: http://foreignaffairs.co.nz/2015/10/03/jane-kelsey-grosers-ugly-compromise-in-tppa-could-cost-new-zealanders-lives/#.dpuf
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October 3, 2015 8:33pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6g3xe04b2n4orjv/Cuckoo%2019.jpg?dl=0
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October 3, 2015 8:39pm
Manolo

I’d love to see the TPP approved just to piss off the Auckland rate bludger and beneficiary of Kim Dot Com’s largesse.
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October 3, 2015 8:40pm
Griff

See this penny
Its yet another request for some transparency from you.
Have you published a list of donations received and an account of the use monies begged from the public are put to
Wouldn’t want to think Penny “notso” Bright public nuisance serial litigator and all round rates bludger is begging for donations ripping off old lady’s by spending the dosh on dead cats for her head would we.
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October 3, 2015 8:41pm
publicwatchdog

Seems that three key advocates for the TPPA, in my opinion, are all personally conflicted, in that each of them stands to personally gain from NZ signing it?

Trade Minister Tim Groser wants the job of Ambassador to the USA.

Former NZ Prime Minister Helen Clark wants the job of UN Secretary-General.

Current NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America.

It would be nice, in my opinion, to have ‘leaders’ who put the ‘national interest’ of New Zealand ahead of their own?

Penny Bright
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October 3, 2015 8:47pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wya4inwuf581q68/Cuckoo%2050.jpg?dl=0
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October 3, 2015 8:52pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw7P0RGZQxQ

It’s only a few mins long.

The TPP along with the sister agreements is designed to screw the BRICS. That’s all it is. And to do that, we’re forced to give up our national sovereignty. And Key’s going along with the plan. And you all, those who believe in this country, should be spitting tacks. Instead, you probably won’t even watch this very short presso, which contains facts that you will spit tacks over. Only going on past performance from you, by the time you learn the facts in this short presso, it will all too late.
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October 3, 2015 8:55pm
Brigitte

@Nasska & @Manolo

….”Economists surveyed by Reuters forecast U.S. payrolls outside of farming rose by 203,000 last month, bouncing back from softer job growth in August despite worries a China-led global economic slowdown is sapping America’s strength.”…..

Well, economists are consistent..if not always seriously wrong.

Actual Sept jobs were just 142,000 and July+August were revised down 59,000. So that imminent rise is not so certain afterall. Should keep someone pleased (and a baked bean hoarder feeling a little less nervous about over stocking on emergency supplies).

Meanwhile I shall apply an internal grape-based liquid remedy to soothe my outside pains from having just flea’d and wormed my cats….
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October 3, 2015 9:00pm
publicwatchdog

MANolo – put your full name to your 8.40pm post.

Griff – I am a private citizen who does not receive public (taxpayer) monies, apart from occasional personal donations from those individuals who choose to support the work which I have done on a self-funded basis over the last FIFTEEN years.

Unlike the Office of the Auditor-General (OAG), Ombudsman, National Office of the Archives, Police or Serious Fraud Office, the job I choose to do on a voluntary basis, is not covered by statute.

Why don’t you focus your attention on these statutory ‘Third Party’ Public Watchdogs, who receive public monies and have legislative requirements to look after the public and the ‘public interest’?

(Meant of course in a caring way 😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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October 3, 2015 9:02pm
big bruv

Pay your rates Penny, even the luvvies are sick of you now.
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October 3, 2015 9:04pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0y5xy9sk8xjiei/Cuckoo%2040%2010%2014.jpg?dl=0
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October 3, 2015 9:05pm
publicwatchdog

Great Wikileaks clip Reid.

Thanks for that.

Cheers

Penny Bright
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October 3, 2015 9:15pm
Awww C-mon

So what just said Penny is for 15 YEARS you have been unemployed and unemployable yet you think you are fit to run NZs biggest city??

You truely are fucking delusional
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October 3, 2015 9:15pm
Reid

Needs to get out Penny.

It’s the eleventh hour.

Use your contacts esp your journalists to get it out.

BTW, we all notice Grosser et al has gone quiet on Dairy. Anyone hallucinate that we’ll get a good deal on that? And if we don’t, what’s the point? Crumbs from the table? In return for trading away our sovereignty? Seriously? But that’s what’ll happen, that’s what’s happening, right now.
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October 3, 2015 9:18pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/blarcno82brhcw1/Cuckoo%2049.jpg?dl=0
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October 3, 2015 9:18pm
Reid

Yes nasska. Wait till you read the text Key signed you, your children and your grandchildren up to. Then you’ll be spitting tacks. Guarantee it mate.
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October 3, 2015 9:25pm
Southern Raider

Interesting article in the Herald about the second thoughts Germans are having about letting in all the refugees.

FFS there is Albanians and Pakistanis described in the article. When were these two countries in the middle of a war? Stories of refugees rioting, trying to lynch other refugees and getting drunk and harassing locals.

Good job by the left and MSM to get the west to buy into this huge lie
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October 3, 2015 9:26pm
publicwatchdog

I’m not a gutless sheepish SLAVE Big Bruv – I’m an informed CITIZEN who knows my lawful rights and Auckland Council’s statutory duties.

You may like being bled dry by the (in my opinion) corporate ‘robber barons’ in whose interests the Auckland region is now being run ‘like a business – by business – for business’ – I don’t.

Unlike a lot of whining Kiwibloggers, I’m actually taking action, which cannot be ignored.

If you don’t know your rights – you don’t have any.

If you don’t defend the rights you are supposed to have – you lose them.

‘Faint heart never won fair go!’

Penny Bright
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October 3, 2015 9:26pm
Reid

Unlike a lot of whining Kiwibloggers, I’m actually taking action, which cannot be ignored.

I think Penny you’d improve the strength of your argument if you made a without-prejudice part payment toward the rate arrears. After all, if every Aucklander followed your example, how high would the rubbish pile now be and how many rats would you have infesting your home as well as every other in Auckland?

Just a thought. I don’t want to get into the rights and wrongs of your case, I don’t know it well enough. And those types of payments are made all the time in law. It doesn’t affect your standing.
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October 3, 2015 9:35pm
renderer

Penny you are a typical left wing bludger who thinks the whole world owes you a living. You are nothing other than a common thief stealing services you have no intention of paying for.
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October 3, 2015 9:41pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Things with Penny have taken another twist, if I recall correctly some prima donna in the council has used over $100,000 in public funds suing Penny. This council is out of control. Whatever is happening between the council and Penny it will be resolved through the Courts, probably through mediation as it appears council has shifted to more transparent financial reporting. But how does the council end up spending over a $100,000 defending the reputation of an employee, I’d like Len Brown to comment on that. Penny makes her own decisions whether they’re liked by others or not, those decisions and the reasons for them are being tested under the Law. On the other hand the decision to spend rate payer moneys over some apparent outrage that has flown under the radar is misguided to the extreme. If Penny’s opinions are so important to Council employees then why haven’t they sought to resolve them. It simply looks like the arguments held that transparency of spending is not the business of rate payers in fine detail can be overcome by throwing money at some kind of side show. This a council that goes out at night to issue traffic infringements then backs down on them, a council that paid a fortune to a fraudster on he basis of false invoices that corresponded to personal trading in a back up job funded by council, a council who tried to delegate the job of mowing their own berms to ratepayers, who leave storm water drains unfiltered thus allowing plastic free entry into the harbour. Do the little jobs first and don’t worry about ‘City Vision’ and ‘Liveable Cities’ until the basics are right.
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October 3, 2015 10:42pm
Nostradamus

Auckland Council applies to strike out Penny Bright defamation proceedings

Auckland Council has applied to have Penny Bright’s defamation proceedings struck out, with the matter to be heard by the High Court at a hearing on 5 November.
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Separately, Ms Bright has initiated defamation proceedings in relation to comments concerning her unpaid rates made by the council in a press statement last year, which the council is defending against.
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Auckland Council’s General Manager Finance Kevin Ramsay says: “Auckland Council did not initiate these defamation proceedings but clearly we need to respond to the claims Ms Bright has made. As we have said previously, we believe the views expressed about Ms Bright were fair and accurate, and we completely reject the accusations she has made.
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“Ms Bright’s offer to settle the defamation case with an apology and a payment to her of $10,000 was unacceptable from our perspective. It is open to Ms Bright to stop the court action at any time without further unnecessary costs to ratepayers.”

The courts have discretion, but routinely award costs to successful parties. Costs will be sought if the application succeeds.

So, the Penny Bright show goes back to the Auckland District Court on 7 October 2015 for the unpaid rates case, and then moves to the High Court on 7 November 2015 for the defamation case.

It looks like Penny’s defamation case will be thrown out, with costs awarded against her, which may (I say “may” because I haven’t analysed the relevant statute with respect to this issue) be recoverable as part of the house sale.

Judgement day is coming Penny!
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October 3, 2015 11:34pm
publicwatchdog

4 October 2015

Please be advised that the following correspondence has just been emailed (together with scanned copies of signed petition sheets) to PM John Key:

FYI Kiwibloggers ….

3 October 2015

URGENT! Attention NZ Prime Minister John Key!
Scanned petition forms re: TPPA

Prime Minister
John Key

Please be advised that attached are nearly 300 signatures of people who have signed the following petition:

“To Prime Minister John Key
MP for Helensville

We, the undersigned:

Are deeply concerned that as a key advocate for the ‘Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), you are a shareholder in the Bank of America, as detailed in the 2015 MPs Register of Financial Interests
(Pg 29)

( http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/mpp/mps/fin-interests/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20151/register-of-pecuniary-and-other-specified-interests-of )

“Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)
2 Other companies and business entities
……………………………………………………….
Bank of America – banking”

We see this as a serious ‘conflict of interest’, given that big banks like the Bank of America, stand to benefit, and profit from this pro-corporate TPPA.

If this National Government, which you lead, does not ‘walk away’ from the secretive, undemocratic, ‘Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement’ (TPPA), then we pledge to campaign vigorously amongst our friends, families, neighbours and workmates, for the voting public to ‘walk away’ from National.”

______________________________________________________________

Please be advised that this is just the start.

Increasing numbers of the voting public are becoming aware of your shareholding in the Bank of America, and are wondering just whose ‘national interest’ are you serving?

The ‘national (public) interest’ of New Zealand, or the ‘national (corporate) interest’ of the United States of America?

If the Bank of America benefits from the TPPA – then how will this not serve your personal self-interest. as a shareholder in the Bank of America?

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

Member Auckland TPPA ‘Call to action’

(ENDS)
______________________________________________________________

………

PS: Here is a new, VERY revealing clip from Wikileaks:
WikiLeaks – The US strategy to create a new global legal and economic system: TPP, TTIP, TISA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw7P0RGZQxQ
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October 4, 2015 2:12am
Nostradamus

FFS Penny – still banging the Bank of America drum I see.

And yet you couldn’t answer this question:

Nostradamus (3,315 comments) says:
September 29th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
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Let’s suppose, for argument’s sake, that John Key owns shares in Kiwibank.

Let’s suppose further, again for argument’s sake, that Kiwibank and Bank of America would derive similar commercial benefits from the TPPA.

Would John Key’s shareholding in Kiwibank amount to a conflict of interest?

Or these questions:

Nostradamus (3,315 comments) says:
June 25th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
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1. How many BoA shares John Key holds
2. The total number of BoA shares on issue
3. The number of BoA shares John Key holds as a percentage of the total number of BoA shares on issue
4. Why you think the percentage value in 3 (which I suspect is a very low percentage) results in John Key having a material personal interest in BoA matters.

I know why you refuse to answer these questions – and I suspect you do too.
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October 4, 2015 3:02am
Nookin

Nostalgia

I think you may have the cart and horse the wrong way round. ‘Tis Penny who is suing the council, not the other way round. I think, also, that her claim is for a sum in excess of $300,000 and she has offered to accept $10,000. I wonder if she had in mind offering the $10,000 in satisfaction of rates arrears?
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October 4, 2015 7:55am
Nookin

Apropos the above

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/auckland-council-wants-penny-bright-case-dropped-2015093015#axzz3nX60EfNB
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October 4, 2015 8:01am
Nostalgia-NZ

Yes, I see that Nookin. I’m not an avid follower, unfortunately the defamation proceedings by Penny (and not a council member as I inaccurately recalled) might be a bad call and open up a much wider flank far off the ball.
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