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Manolo

Spot on, Tony Abbott: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/world/australia/tony-abbott-australia-europe-migrant-crisis.html?_r=0

Tony Abbott, the former prime minister of Australia, used his first major speech since his ouster last month to denounce Europe’s migration policies, warning in London that the continent risked “fundamentally weakening itself” through “misguided altruism” as large numbers of asylum seekers arrive.
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October 29, 2015 8:00am
Yvette

What is the entire Dotcom extradition saga about, if it is not property offences?
And if New Zealand law acknowledges the case to even be heard – and it does of course, it is happening now – does it not already accept computer files are someone’s property, and in Hager’s case, has he not received stolen property and profited from the crime of property theft?

[And what is it exactly that Hager copyrights in the first few pages of DIRTY POLITICS, if not property?]
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October 29, 2015 8:04am
kowtow

Yesterday I received a Flag Consideration Project flyer in my paper.

It is entitled “Be Part of History”, that and much else in it is not information ,it is advocacy.

Bring on the 2nd referendum.

Keep our flag.
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October 29, 2015 8:05am
Paulus

I have read, and had it confirmed by a family Australian Teacher, that when the Primary Schools show their laudable and usual patriotism by raising the Flag and singing the National Anthem that it is now practice that Muslim children get up automatically and go out. That is what they are being taught by their parents and others.
Nobody stops them for fear of retribution from parents and do gooders.
How sad for what is still the Lucky Country but getting Unlucky by the day.
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October 29, 2015 8:06am
Longknives

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/richie-mccaw-seven-grubby-sins-of-all-black-captain-who-is-master-of-getting-away-with-it/story-fni2fxyf-1227584219644

An excellent, well balanced article for you eye-patch wearing All Black fans to mull over this morning!
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October 29, 2015 8:06am
kowtow

manolo

re Abbott.

Turnbull and his cohorts rolled a great man who knew what he was about.

Turnbull is a nothing.
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October 29, 2015 8:08am
Manolo

Live and let live: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3293357/The-Church-making-life-hell-millions-gay-Catholics-clergy-homosexuals-says-priest-fired-Vatican-coming-out.html

A high-ranking Polish priest who was fired after coming out as gay has accused the Catholic Church of making life ‘hell’ for millions of homosexuals. Father Krzystof Charamsa was stripped of his post earlier this month on the day he announced he was in a relationship with another man.

In a scathing letter to Pope Francis, he accused the Vatican of hypocrisy because he said the clergy was ‘full of homosexuals’.
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October 29, 2015 8:08am
jcuk

A delightful story from Houston where the arguments about HERO rampage on ever it seems …. brought to mind those wonderful films that came out of Ealing Studios poking the borax after WWII. But in this case it is about the right of transgender ‘women’ to use women’s public toilets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/opinion/the-equal-rights-fight-over-houstons-bathrooms.html?emc=edit_th_20151028&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=52497011&_r=0
Worth a read for the light it shines on the religious and other do-gooders in that section of American society.
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October 29, 2015 8:10am
kowtow

paulus

Those Muslims should be deported back to whatever Shitholistan they were so eager to escape.
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October 29, 2015 8:10am
stephieboy

A reminder about the heroic deeds of a combined Kurdish -US action releasing 70 ISIS hostages all facing imminent execution ,

ISIS Captives Say They Faced Blade as Rescue Came

By MICHAEL R. GORDONOCT. 27, 2015
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SALAHADDIN, Iraq — Muhammad Hassan Abdullah al-Jibouri had little hope that he would ever make it out of the Islamic State’s jail alive, and he had not even seen the sun in more than a month. Then, early last Thursday morning, he heard the helicopters overhead.
The 35-year-old police officer heard bursts of gunfire, and shouts in Kurdish and in English. Suddenly, the door to his cell was battered open.
“Who is there? Who is there?” a soldier yelled, first in Kurdish and then in Arabic.
“We are prisoners!” Mr. Jibouri’s cellmates yelled back.
Mr. Jibouri was one of 69 Arab prisoners of the Islamic State freed in a military raid near the northern Iraqi town of Hawija last week, the first in which American Special Operations forces were confirmed to have accompanied their Kurdish counterparts onto the battlefield….”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/world/middleeast/freed-prisoners-of-isis-tell-of-beatings-and-torture.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-0&action=click&contentCollection=World&region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

The stuff of a movie like Zero Hour Thirty .
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October 29, 2015 8:10am
oldpark

Seems the out of control jack boot Wellington City Council led by the Mayor Celia Wade -Brown, and her off sider, a know all called Justin Lester, have struck again ,as they give the rate payers and their Chief Executive officer and the law the fingers.They have just committed businesses and domestic property owners, an add on bill of TWO POINT FOUR MILLION DOLLARS to their overall rates bill.The reason they call it the living wage bill.Wellington City Council rates are the highest in the country, and that is before the out of control we know best councillors have added another huge cost. Wellington City Council have got away with a lot in the last two years, only because the emphasis was on Len Brown and Auckland City Council. The truth is WCC are more controlling and dominating in a city that has lost its moral compass, than even Auckland. Len Brown and his councillours are pussy cats, compared with the nefarious and sneaky get out of my way Wellington City Council.
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October 29, 2015 8:12am
Paulus Gnome

If the neighbours on the continent to one side cannot bring themselves to say ‘All Blacks’, maybe we should refer to them as the wannabies.
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October 29, 2015 8:13am
waikatogirl

Len Brown and his Auckland council are spending the day voting on off-shore oil exploration. Why are the Auckland ratepayers paying for them to poke their regional noses into a government decision. The government has put protections in place and any company exploring will have to negotiate these world best safeguards.

Councils do not need to be involved and a catered talkfest should not have to be funded by the Auckland ratepayers.
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October 29, 2015 8:19am
Padriv Ustoev

In lighter news.

Lesbian Hipsters do not understand the diffirence between a doll to play with and a human child to raise.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/73465323/women-looking-to-conceive-crowdsource-a-sperm-donor-on-facebook

MSM fauns over their totes adorbs photo.

Also @Stephie the Kurds are weak and decadent. They attacked during a lunch break when the prisonors were least guarded, so it doesn’t count!
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October 29, 2015 8:20am
stephieboy

Also note state of war against ISIS,

The U.S. is arming Syrian Arab fighters who will join Kurdish combatants to attack Raqqa

Iraqi forces have encircled Ramadi, which is defended by 600 to 1,000 militants, with the support of U.S. airstrikes and the Iraqi air force

Iraqi forces and Shiite militias, aided by U.S. airstrikes, retook the Baiji oil refinery from ISIS on Friday after contesting it for more than a year.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/the-iraq-isis-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html

The good news that kowtow, Manolo, Reid etc don’t want you to here
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October 29, 2015 8:21am
Padriv Ustoev

@stephieboy

You mis-spelled “hear” you filthy peasant.

Also everyone knows that Kurds are weak and decadent and so is the US. So the mighty ISIS will triumph once again.
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October 29, 2015 8:25am
Longknives

Padriv- The fact that the Lesbian Hipsters are specifying they want a ‘Mixed Race’ baby confirms the child is nothing more than a fashion accessory..
If you were craving to be a parent for the right reasons, would you really make this demand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofpRxc0GVg
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October 29, 2015 8:29am
Lucia Maria

Manolo,

Live and let live: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3293357/The-Church-making-life-hell-millions-gay-Catholics-clergy-homosexuals-says-priest-fired-Vatican-coming-out.html

Yes, but not as a Catholic priest. The man wasn’t fired for coming out as gay, he was fired for publicly announcing his relationship with a man. The pertinent paragraph:

Father Krzystof Charamsa was stripped of his post earlier this month on the day he announced he was in a relationship with another man.

Catholic priests are supposed to be celibate and not in a sexual relationship with either a man or a woman, and they are not supposed to say this is fine and this is how I’m going to live. He’ll be better off not being part of the Catholic priesthood, which is a bit stricter on relationships that that.

In another story, a Catholic nun has been excommunicated for for being secretly ordained as a priest. Wow, what a surprise!
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October 29, 2015 8:34am
kowtow

@stephieboy

You mis-spelled “hear”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
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October 29, 2015 8:34am
kowtow

“nothing more than a fashion accessory..”

Same for “transgenders” who get something added or chopped off. Fashion accessories.
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October 29, 2015 8:37am
waikatogirl

An Australian academic, Dean Frankle, has announced that Aussie accent evolved out of drunkenness because early settlers spent their day slurring their words under the influence of alcohol. He says that Aussies do not annunciate but ‘slur their words’ use only 2/3 of their mouth to speak, and only 50% of Australians’ can pronounce the word Australia.

Another useless study by an academic
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October 29, 2015 8:38am
Lucia Maria

This story astounds me, both in terms of the pro-marriage position being seen as homophobic and the presumption by Pink News that the people who owned the car would presumably be horrified that a gay person touched their car.

Gay person gets awesome revenge on homophobic driver

A gay person got amazing revenge on one bigot whose car was filled with anti-gay stickers.

The anonymous gay person passed the car, which included a number of anti-gay bumper stickers.

The stickers read: “We want a mommy and daddy – yes please!”.

Another said: “Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman”.

The gay person obviously couldn’t help themselves, and couldn’t just walk past the car without doing something.

A hand-written note was added which simply read: “A gay person touched your car.”

The photos inevitably made it onto Facebook, and have gone viral. If only there were photos of the homophobe’s reaction.

I think it’s funny, in a way, but not in the way intended.
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October 29, 2015 8:47am
Padriv Ustoev

@waikatogirl

Straya!!!
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October 29, 2015 8:49am
Reid

Social engineering Lucia. Truth is a crime. 1984.

And the sheeple go along with it, because they’re idiots.
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October 29, 2015 8:55am
Griff

Catholic priests are supposed to be celibate and not in a sexual relationship with either a man or a woman,
Problem is this resulted in catholic priest having relationships with pre prepubescent boys.
Support for the church has collapsed in the west as a result.
Don’t you think part of the problem facing the church is retaining the rules around the priesthood is an unnatural lifestyle choice for normal people .
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October 29, 2015 9:07am
Manolo

Englsih and spelling have never been stephieboy’s strong points. They were considered unimportant by Waikato University Women’s Studies faculty, the institution from where he got his degree.
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October 29, 2015 9:26am
Ed Snack

Griff goes on with his crusade against catholics and “paedophile priests”; a clear case of projection I reckon. Here’s a question for Griff though, where are you more likely to be abused as a child, in a catholic church or in a school, and which is more likely to get covered up if it occurs ?
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October 29, 2015 9:28am
WineOh

@oldpark, while I share your thoughts on the idiocy of the living wage decision by WCC, rates in Wellington are not the highest in the country. Not even across the region, Porirua city rates are higher for equal value properties.
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October 29, 2015 9:33am
Manolo

This big crook is living proof of it: http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/27/scientists-claim-high-co2-levels-are-making-people-dumber/

Former Vice President Al Gore wasted no time tweeting out ThinkProgress’ in-depth article, trying to link higher carbon dioxide levels to lower cognition in humans.
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October 29, 2015 9:35am
EAD

I wonder how many people now are laughing at Albert Pikes prediction from 150 years ago?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-28/meanwhile-average-german-city
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October 29, 2015 9:37am
Griff

Ed snark
A school is not a church.
We dont hold school teachers as some sort of intermediary between humans and the ineffable supreme being.
Being a atheist I dont believe in such nonsense of course.
I dont see what your point is.
Other than you being a butt hurt wingnut that is.
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October 29, 2015 9:40am
EAD

The left resorting to their usual tactics – shutting down the debate:

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/left-wing-virtual-reality.html?m=1
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October 29, 2015 9:41am
jonar

@Ed Snack

where are you more likely to be abused as a child, in a catholic church or in a school, and which is more likely to get covered up if it occurs

Actually the most likely is probably a Catholic School that has priests teaching at it. Just had a discussion last night with an 18 year old ex-student about his Catholic high school where a priest sexually assaulted a female student and the school board warned the students not to go to the media and performed their own “investigation” of the incident.
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October 29, 2015 9:42am
kowtow

ED Snack

“Projection” . Interesting. Grief and a few other of his cohorts are predictably reliable to come on here with any chance they get to have a go in relation to, exclusively, the RC church and its recent appalling history. Not so quick when we’ve had a recent run of similar in our secular schools or indeed other institutions such as the Scouts , sports bodies etc. They are clearly bigoted obsessives.
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October 29, 2015 9:45am
oldpark

Still trying to work out which pack of rat bags are in the lead. Green Party, Greenpeace, Amnesty international,what a sicko threesome,and long past their use by date.
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October 29, 2015 9:46am
kowtow

“Other than you being a butt hurt wingnut that is.”

Anal obsession.
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October 29, 2015 9:46am
Lucia Maria

Jonar,

Actually the most likely is probably a Catholic School that has priests teaching at it. Just had a discussion last night with an 18 year old ex-student about his Catholic high school where a priest sexually assaulted a female student and the school board warned the students not to go to the media and performed their own “investigation” of the incident.

If there was an assault, the female student and her parents ought to go to the police and ignore the school board, who generally are made up of politically motivated parents that will naturally try to keep things quiet.

Griff,

Catholic priests are supposed to be celibate and not in a sexual relationship with either a man or a woman,
Problem is this resulted in catholic priest having relationships with pre prepubescent boys.

There is no cause and effect here. The real cause is unsuitable men being allowed into the priesthood to start with.

Support for the church has collapsed in the west as a result.
Don’t you think part of the problem facing the church is retaining the rules around the priesthood is an unnatural lifestyle choice for normal people .

It is an unnatural lifestyle for normal people. That’s why it wouldn’t be possible without God’s help and to get that help, the man has to give himself over, so to speak, and those who are attracted to men have less chance of being able to do that successfully.
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October 29, 2015 9:52am
ex-golfer

Oldpark, what have you done with Ian Mc today?
Surely he should be ranting about the WCC living wage decision and only giving ratepayers a vote?
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October 29, 2015 9:54am
Griff

Kowtow the RC church and its recent appalling history.

The Catholic church had the official position that fiddling with little boys bums was not a sin.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-29/catholic-church-did-not-understand-effects-of-paedophilia/6505300
See any problem with the church as a source of morality?

Lucy
That’s why it wouldn’t be possible without God’s help
Yet the result was child molestation rates at best no worse than the population at large.
Did god help with that as well?
Or are you going to excuse the priesthood not only arse fucking kids but hiding it from the authority’s, silencing the accusers by threat of excommunication and enabling further crimes by just transferring the offenders to another parish so they could start over with fresh kids to corrupt.
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October 29, 2015 10:06am
jonar

@Lucia Maria

If there was an assault, the female student and her parents ought to go to the police and ignore the school board, who generally are made up of politically motivated parents that will naturally try to keep things quiet.

Yes, I totally agree but this didn’t happen.

There is no cause and effect here. The real cause is unsuitable men being allowed into the priesthood to start with.

Even if this is true don’t you think it would be very difficult to determine which men are unsuitable given that celibacy is unnatural and likely to affect people in various ways?

http://www.medicaldaily.com/popes-celibacy-rule-how-abstinence-affects-priests-psychological-health-244715

In an essay from 2010, psychotherapist and former Benedictine priest A.W. Richard Sipe noted the great loneliness, depression, and emotional distress that can come from struggling with prolonged celibacy.
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October 29, 2015 10:06am
Jack5

The Chinese are trying to buy up arable land round the world, but next could be women!

In China, there’s such a shortage of women that an economics professor has suggested polyandry is the answer – multiple husbands per woman.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bachelor-glut-in-china-leads-to-a-provocative-proposal-sharing-wives-20151028-gkl9xp.html
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October 29, 2015 10:25am
Lucia Maria

Griff,

The Catholic church had the official position that fiddling with little boys bums was not a sin.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-29/catholic-church-did-not-understand-effects-of-paedophilia/6505300
See any problem with the church as a source of morality?

For a very intelligent man, you quite often surprisingly unable to see the nuance. For instance, in the above article, no where does it say that fiddling with boys was not a sin. The subject of the article even says that they knew was wrong, just that they didn’t know the harm it would cause and that it was a crime. A stupid position of course, but that’s what you get when you put too much stock in sexual psychiatry, which for decades had been saying just that. Unfortunately, too many in the Church were listening to sexologists and not to their own tradition.
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October 29, 2015 10:33am
waikatogirl

Padriv
Straya!!!
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Cheese mate! 🙂
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October 29, 2015 10:33am
Reid

This is a great article, she really nails it:

Just why does the GOP hate Donald Trump? That’s easy to answer, because he’s thrown a monkey-wrench into the plans of the New World Order. (To understand the NWO, read Dr. Dennis Cuddy’s chronology of same.) Who would have thought that an outsider, like billionaire Donald Trump, would capture the attention of the American people, and at the same time, infuriate the GOP, DNC, and MSM, but mostly his own party! To the GOP, Donald Trump is not only a pariah, but a wild card. Americans who are sick and tired of the same old, same old from the Republican party are thrilled to hear someone speak the same language we speak to each other.

Trump said recently of his GOP opponents, “Hey they can make fun of me if they want. They can belittle me if they want. They can badmouth me all they want, but they can’t change the facts. The truth is what it is –It’s they who made broken promise after broken promise. They have failed and continue to fail to stop the far left, communist wrecking ball that has almost killed the country. If you want American to be great again vote for me. I will make American great again. You want more political smoke blown up your ass? Vote for one of them…”

http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh252.htm
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October 29, 2015 10:34am
Lucia Maria

Jonar,

Even if this is true don’t you think it would be very difficult to determine which men are unsuitable given that celibacy is unnatural and likely to affect people in various ways?

http://www.medicaldaily.com/popes-celibacy-rule-how-abstinence-affects-priests-psychological-health-244715

In an essay from 2010, psychotherapist and former Benedictine priest A.W. Richard Sipe noted the great loneliness, depression, and emotional distress that can come from struggling with prolonged celibacy.

Yes, it’s difficult. On purely human criteria, it would be impossible. But the Church is not merely a human institution, otherwise given the level dysfunction on display, it would have collapsed centuries ago.

Also, in contrast to what Richard Sipes says, Most priests are happy and appreciate celibacy – study
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October 29, 2015 10:38am
stephieboy

Reid,

“Against stupidity the Gods alone battle in Vain”

Friedrich Schiller
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October 29, 2015 10:41am
waikatogirl

Jack5
The Chinese are trying to buy up arable land round the world, but next could be women!
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Arable women Jack! I guess in a way that would be a correct term.

Many Chinese sons are referred to as having a Napolean complex as have been pampered and put on a pedestal by doting parents and grandparents. Add the MIL (mother-in-law) and possibly being shared by more than 1 husband, I believe I would give that proposal a swerve! I pity the poor Chinese girls who do not have the option of saying no if they wish to be married.
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October 29, 2015 10:45am
Colville

Is the Chinese Man/Woman imbalance caused by the one child policy?
They could only have one so terminated female fetuses?
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October 29, 2015 10:49am
Griff

Unfortunately, too many in the Church were listening to sexologists and not to their own tradition.

😆
apologetic from a Catholic quelle surprise
Blame kiddy fiddling on the secular world

You can not prove that the church has not had child molesting priests from year dot.The insinuations around the catholic priest hood within popular culture predate sexology by decades . This suggests the problem has been around for a long time .
You can not blame the problems in the church on the secular world.
Your church hid some disgusting crimes including not limited to
Baby stealing in Spain.
Slavery of woman in Ireland.
Child slavery and sex Australia.

It also is losing members because of its past history and inflexible nature look at Ireland once a strong hold of Catholicism .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

Back to my original comment.
If the roman catholic church continues to have a priest hood that is unnaturally celibate it will only be hastening the decline in its power and membership in the west.
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October 29, 2015 10:52am
mikenmild

So close. NZ U-17 side miss a penalty against Brazil in the round of 16 at the FIFA World Cup. Then concede a penalty on full-time to lose 1-0.
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October 29, 2015 10:56am
wf

Moslem kids being allowed to dodge assembly. When I went to school – a mixed race assorted religions sort of school we were all expected to mind our manners and respect the customs & beliefs of the other kids.

It was called good manners back then, and we were told that good manners was the glue that holds society together.

My staunchly Presbyterian parents agreed, but could only tolerate Roman Catholicism through grated teeth. We all got over it.

Moslem kids could too.
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October 29, 2015 11:03am
Keeping Stock

Sepp Blatter admits that Russia was always going to be awarded the 2018 FIFA World Cup. So why did FIFA bother with the charade of a bidding process and vote?

FIFA is rotten to the core, and as I have noted previously, a fish rots from the head down. There is not limit to Blatter’s corruption, and he should be locked away.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34657900
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October 29, 2015 11:10am
Lucia Maria

Griff,

apologetic from a Catholic quelle surprise
Blame kiddy fiddling on the secular world

And there is it again, an inability with understanding and seeing nuance.

In my comments I have blamed the Church for accepting unsuitable men, and I have blamed the Church for taking on psychological advice over and above our tradition on sin. That’s not me blaming the secular world.

Like it or not, Church are also part of and come from the secular world, and is also heavily influenced by it. The question is, should we be more or less influenced by it when it is at odds with what we should believe and how we should act? In the first article that started this whole argument off is a push from the secular world to allow gay priests to be open with their relationships and not be fired for it. You can’t on the one hand argue for secular influence to be allowed to change the Church and on the other decry all influence having an effect on what Church people do. It’s schizophrenic in outlook.
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October 29, 2015 11:11am
Fletch

Walid Shoebat follows the money, and digs deep into the circumstances around this “despicable” internet video that has been claimed to be the reason for imaginary protests leading to the destruction of the U.S compound in Benghazi. The video that Hillary Clinton likes to blame for the whole thing.

What he found is a link between the maker of the video and the U.S. The film maker turns out to have been an F.B.I snitch.

So here we have the filmmaker that Hillary blamed for the Benghazi attacks was actually a U.S. federal snitch who collected huge sums from the Muslim Brotherhood and the FBI had all power over him to use as they wish or ‘else’. It is here when the evidence for the damning trail begins when Dugdale introduced a fictitious alibi to lure the courts that Nakoula (the Filmmaker, aka Yousef, Hamdy …) was supposed to help the FBI catch Eiad Salameh, his partner in crimes for many years.

Shoebat’s cousin, Eiad Salameh, was a friend and confidant of the film maker. The FBI hoped to use the film maker to catch Salameh. Anyway, what is interesting is that the Muslim Brotherhood (the very people you would expect to be upset about a blasphemous Islamic video) were the ones paying the film maker to make the film. It looks like they may have needed an example of something in order to make the case for religious anti-discrimination laws.

Records were obtained reveal that before the film, Eiad had deposited through his father (Salameh Daud Salameh) huge sums of money into Nakoula’s [the film maker] bank account under Nakoula’s daughter name during November 2011 when the film was being made: $14,000, $50,000, $90,000 and other large sums from Bilal Sulaiman Mahmoud, a member of the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs, probably the greatest Muslim Brotherhood institution, which its main duties is to assist the state of Egypt with important issues of Sharia legislation and control headed by the top Islamic university par excellence in the Sunni Muslim world Al-Azhar University.

Then there were additional deposits by Rafat Ali Khalil Shreeteh, another major depositor of monies into Nakoula’s hidden account. He is a Muslim from Yatta/Hebron in Palestine and the Shreeteh family have terrorist martyrs, one computer hacker and other activists.

And who uploaded this film to the internet and pushed it? A U.S Govt linked firm.

It was U.S. intelligence, when CGI Federal – appears to have a connection to promoting the damnable film that Hillary is still blaming for the Benghazi attacks. “Innocence of Muslims” was posted to a YouTube channel known as NewsPoliticsNow3 (NPN3) created by Stanley Associates, a service provider for U.S. defense and “intelligence” the Canadian Company that built the Obamacare website. CGI acquired Stanley Associates, which “provides services to the U.S. federal civilian, defense and intelligence agencies”.

On September 11, 2012, NewsPoliticsNow3 (NPN3) made some dumb moves (its not difficult to believe) and uploaded a short version of the video, only 1 minutes and 32 seconds of it (see screenshot taken 19 hours after the video was uploaded) which gave the crude movie a new title “Innocence of Muslims” and added a major facelift: more than four million views. We even obtained a screen shot on September 15, 2012 proving how this trailer garnered more than 4.5 million views. By September 20th, the channel was gone.

NewsPoliticsNow3 took down their link on or before 9/20/12. The skids of the so-called filmmaker Nakoula (aka Sam Bacile) YouTube channel had been sufficiently greased; his video was off and running. NPN3 had done its job of priming the pump; then it vanished.

[…]

The court documents telling us that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula producer of the movie Innocence of Muslims partnered with Eiad Salameh sparked my research. Nakoula also got deals and special treatments from the Feds and today the is running a radio show. Here you can even watch it: The Wiley Drake Show.

Everyone can now watch it and wonder. Americans know nothing about the show since it is in Arabic, of course, this way he stays under the radar. This is a relationship between the Federal government and the filmmaker where he demands “help me with this or else I will talk” and the responses are “if you talk, you will be locked up and we will throw away the key”. Both look out for each other and both are locked in a blackmail that no one can afford to confess.

It is very convoluted, but you can read the whole thing at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/10/28/new-evidence-hillary-clinton-worked-with-the-muslim-brotherhood-causing-the-murder-of-americans-in-benghazi/

There’s enough evidence there I think to back up what he is saying. The video probably didn’t get made for the reason it was eventually used for, but Hillary made use of it in her crisis.

The whole thing stinks, especially Hillary telling Charles Woods, the father of one of the men killed in Benghazi that they were going to “get the film maker responsible” for this, and he turns out to have been paid by her Govt.
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October 29, 2015 11:29am
Griff

Benghazi.
Dead horse syndrome
The continuing flogging of a dead horse ain’t going to make it run.

Much better to start examining why the only high polling candidates for the gop nomination are insane loons from outside the political process .
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October 29, 2015 11:37am
Andrei

FIFA is rotten to the core, and as I have noted previously, a fish rots from the head down. There is not limit to Blatter’s corruption, and he should be locked away.

Do you think the IOC is any better Keeping Stock?

Do you think the gnomes of the EU are any better Keeping Stock?

Or the United States Government?

At least FIFA under Sepp Blatter has not spent the last two decades trashing other peoples countries. leaving a trail of death, mayhem and human misery in their wake, like some we could mention
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October 29, 2015 11:38am
stephieboy

Fletch , we’lljust have to wait and see regarding the substance of DC Clothesline’s allegations. However judging by this piece of garbage below I think they wont be adding anything at all to what the Trey Gowdy witchhunt has already investigated !

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/10/24/obama-spied-on-israel-considered-airstrikes-against-the-jewish-state-to-protect-iran/

Hilary did not use thse video as a reason. It was one oif the many ,many things she and her advisers were weighing up on the day when finding out who were responsible and waht could of motivated them

I take you and Clothelsine DC have also cosidered and reflected upon the terrorist bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut 18/04/1983 that killed 60 and wounded 100 personal ?
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October 29, 2015 11:47am
Reid

‘Reckless, Dangerous, Irresponsible’: US Warship Provokes Beijing in South China Sea
Chinese foreign ministry summons the American ambassador as experts say Americans playing with fire

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/10/27/reckless-dangerous-irresponsible-us-warship-provokes-beijing-south-china-sea

South China Sea: Beijing ‘not frightened to fight a war’ after US move
State-run media in belligerent mood after USS Lassen challenges Beijing’s territorial claims in disputed Spratly archipelago

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/28/china-not-frightened-fight-war-south-china-sea-uss-lassen

Top comment on the above:

America’s arrogance is astounding; we have a global military empire with bases in over 100 countries, killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in an illegal war without any remorse, we continue to murder people in multiple countries by drone and covert agent without any declaration of war or concern for international law, we committed and publicly defended kidnapping, detention and torture of hundreds of other people, and we openly support brutal regimes in countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel and then we whine when China complains about us sending a warship practically onto their doorstep?

Forget the even more obscene irony that we have exported millions of jobs to China to exploit their people as cheap labor, and then we treat them as our greatest enemy in order to justify bankrupting ourselves to fund a military 17 times larger than any other country’s…..

And the sheeple go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Don’t you.

Aren’t sheeple stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.
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October 29, 2015 11:49am
Keeping Stock

@ Andrei – the IOC is little better, although it has improved since light was shone into its dark corners during the reign of Juan Antonio Samaranch. But comparing Blatter, a sports administrator, with global leaders making life and death decisions is facile.
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October 29, 2015 11:50am
cha

There’s enough evidence there I think to back up what he is saying.

Aww, Fletch’s pitching a tent over the grifting fake terrorist, again.
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http://www.jpost.com/Features/The-Palestinian-terrorist-turned-Zionist
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October 29, 2015 12:02pm
Reid

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And still, the sheeple go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Last month, I wandered the former ghettos of Warsaw and Bialystok and visited the haunting memorials of Treblinka, all places where my family members lived their last moments. I clutched in my hands copies of one of the desperate letters from my great grandmother, hand-redacted and stamped with swastikas; lists of the dead; and smiling photos of my dad’s aunts, uncles and cousins, on a busy downtown street, blissfully unaware of the tidal wave of destruction coming their way.

Yet, everywhere I traveled, I was confronted with the traces of a truth that I had known but somehow hadn’t fully understood—that Hitler wasn’t only intent on eliminating Jews. Nazism was based on a perverse racial hierarchy that placed Aryans at the top, and Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals at the bottom, and which also marked millions of Slavic “sub-humans” for extermination and enslavement. It was a state-sponsored system that was central to the logic of extermination that led to the Nazi genocide.

Which is why Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s recent comments before the World Zionist Organization claiming that the Palestinian Mufti was the person responsible for the idea of exterminating Jews were so remarkably ahistorical and dangerous.

Netanyahu’s shameless exploitation of the Shoah to stoke fear of Palestinians doesn’t just create the strange consequence of taking Hitler off the hook for murdering six million Jews. It contributes to state-sponsored demonization and dehumanization of the Palestinian people, a form of incitement that essentially says anything goes when it comes to punishing Palestinians.

In some ways, this seemingly all-time low should come as no surprise. Netanyahu knows the best defense is a good offense, so in order to build power and distract from Israel’s unconscionable policies towards the Palestinians, he has built an entire career on the art of strutting victimization. After all, picking the wounds of a traumatized people to maintain power is easy in a country literally built from the ashes of genocide.

But the truth is Israeli governments have always justified all kinds of horrific policies, from stealing land to imprisoning children, by blaming the victim…

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/this_is_netanyahus_horror_an_open_unleashing_of_raw_racism_that_has_always_been_a_part_of_israeli_society/
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October 29, 2015 12:07pm
Andrei

Keeping Stock we all know that the shining of light into “dark corners” of FIFA at this time is sour grapes from the Brits and the USA that they didn’t get the next two world cups respectively coupled with the current antagonism of Western elites to Russia at this particular point
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October 29, 2015 12:14pm
cha

Flyby takes Cassini within 70 kilometres from the surface of Enceladus.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbF8IaWsAAXKuQ.jpg:large

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/prepare-for-an-awesome-enceladus-flyby/
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October 29, 2015 12:16pm
Gabby

Qatari ‘guest workers’ might not agree with your life death crack, Keeping Smug.
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October 29, 2015 12:27pm
Manolo

Detroit, just another ~~third~~fourth-world city:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/detroit-public-schools-93-not-proficient-reading-96-not-proficient

In the Detroit public school district, 96% of eighth graders are not proficient in mathematics and 93% are not proficient in reading, according to the 2015 National Assessment of Educational Progress tests published by the Department of Education.

Only 4 % of Detroit public school eighth graders are proficient or better in math and only 7% in reading. This is despite the fact that Detroit public schools had “total expenditures” of $18,361 per student.
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October 29, 2015 12:28pm
dave_c_

One wonders how long it will be before NZ follows suit !

CISA Bill Passed – Warrantless Surveillance of Domestic Citizens!
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October 29, 2015 12:28pm
Manolo

It is only a matter of time before he quits:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/28/jeb-bush-and-the-battle-in-boulder/?mod=wsj_nview_latest

Mr. Bush, the former Florida governor who is now running in fourth place in RealClearPolitics’ average of national polls, has expressed both mystification and anger about trailing two political neophytes, real estate developer Donald Trump and former neurosurgeon Ben Carson.
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October 29, 2015 12:33pm
dave_c_

Us and them ! Do as we say, not as we do !

President Obama’s family only eats organic food

According to an article in the Huffington Post, the “Obama family has wisely opted out of exposing themselves to GM foods by requiring organic – and therefore non-GMO – foods served at the White House.”

If the elite won’t eat so-called healthy foods, then neither should we.

If you’re interested – http://www.naturalblaze.com/2015/10/6-dangerous-supermarket-foods-the-elite-wont-eat.html
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October 29, 2015 12:33pm
stephieboy

Reid, what ” horrific policies ?

At least you not claiming that Treblinka was a transit camp for Jews R & R. as these clowns believe ,

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_Allen.html

Phew !
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October 29, 2015 1:09pm
mikenmild

He has been known to refer to it as the ‘Holohoax’ though…
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October 29, 2015 1:12pm
stephieboy

mm, is that right ?

Hmmm…. !
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October 29, 2015 1:14pm
Manolo

President Obama’s family only eats organic food.

Old habits die hard. He grew up that way in Kenya. 🙂
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October 29, 2015 1:15pm
Rufus

Lucia Maria Re: Griff 11:11am – “And there is it again, an inability with understanding and seeing nuance.”

Griff is simply portraying signs of a classic aspie. Once you understand that, you understand why he behaves as he does.
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October 29, 2015 1:47pm
stephieboy

Manolo, the same for you growing up in Indonesia or whereever ?
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October 29, 2015 1:48pm
Griff

😆
Nuance in sister lucys apologetics?

I have blamed the Church for accepting unsuitable men, and I have blamed the Church for taking on psychological advice over and above our tradition on sin. That’s not me blaming the secular world.

Sorry from an atheist standpoint it is just the usual dribble.
Psychological advice is what taught the church that fiddling with kiddys was a sin before than it was considered a minor misdemeanor to be ignored .
The church is wired to take unsuitable men since they first re interpreted Christ from their own world view.
history of celibacy within the church
Fourth Century
306-Council of Elvira, Spain, decree #43: a priest who sleeps with his wife the night before Mass will lose his job.
325-Council of Nicea: decreed that after ordination a priest could not marry. Proclaimed the Nicene Creed.
352-Council of Laodicea: women are not to be ordained. This suggests that before this time there was ordination of women.
385-Pope Siricius left his wife in order to become pope. Decreed that priests may no longer sleep with their wives.

Don’t know what Aspie has to do with it
We dont see the point of illogical rubbish , dont do well in the nuances of social chit chat or naturally read body language.
This ain’t social small talk or face to face communication so neither difference apply here…. illogicality always does .
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October 29, 2015 2:44pm
AgentBallSack

Asstrailya
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October 29, 2015 3:00pm
jcuk

Griff somewhere I read a suggestion that a male dominated Christian church of the early days decided that God was male and suppressed and destroyed records about the female God. Accounts for a lot of the wrong doings of the ‘church’.
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October 29, 2015 3:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Waikatogirl 10:45am

Add the MIL (mother-in-law) and possibly being shared by more than 1 husband, I believe I would give that proposal a swerve! I pity the poor Chinese girls who do not have the option of saying no if they wish to be married.

I know you’ve got a super #1 hubby and you’re not interested in acquiring a couple more, but I’m attracted to the idea of hubby#2,3, & 4.

I’m sure one of them would know how to put out a rubbish tin, and perhaps I could train another to wield a chainsaw, and if I’m really lucky the 4th one might come with a trailer.

(even with 1 hubby, I still ended up with 2 M-in-Laws).
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October 29, 2015 3:14pm
Griff

Try reading up on the gospel according to Mary.
All copy’s disappeared from the world sometime after the forth century.
Last century incomplete fragment’s were found.
It dates linguistically to around the time of the first gospels being written down.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/GMary-King-Intro.html
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October 29, 2015 3:20pm
cha

Think about it.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2015/10/transjesus.jpeg
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October 29, 2015 3:24pm
Manolo

A good article. Now spot the Muslim: http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/ayatollahwatch/

The Dalai Lama, the Pope and the Ayatollah Khameini walk into a press conference …

The Dalai Lama re-affirms his mission to help individuals find happiness and commit themselves to global compassion. He will redouble his efforts to call us all to altruism.

The Pope too re-affirms a message of compassion. His is a more practical call – we should all open our homes to refugees and displaced persons from the Middle East and Africa. He will direct dioceses around the world, and especially in Europe, to have Catholic parishes provide the exemplary charity that will lead the way.

The Ayatollah also brings a re-affirmation of religious mission – and he wants to be even more real-world than the Pope. He wishes and prays for the destruction of the State of Israel. He will redouble the efforts of his Quds Force and its leader, the brilliant strategist and tactician, Major General Qasem Soleimani, to ensure that Israel does not exist in 25 years.
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October 29, 2015 3:41pm
mandk

@ Griff

The problem with the other “Gospels” is that they are incoherent.

Thomas is the best known, but it is just a collection of sayings without any meaningful narrative.
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October 29, 2015 3:57pm
Ross12

An amazing bit of computer graphics/ animation work to illustrate the scale of the European migrant situation

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-refugee-crisis-captured-in-one-staggering-animated-graphic-2015-10-28
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October 29, 2015 3:58pm
DJP6-25

Yvette 8:04 am. I agree. Hopefully the US authorities will wake up to the possible mail fraud angle. Some of the property would have been email files. Mail fraud laws in the US are pretty tough. Google, and Yahoo have their HQs there.
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October 29, 2015 4:00pm
Lucia Maria

Griff,

You know, it’s actually kinda boring debating with someone who doesn’t get nuance (or in your words, dribble). All the interesting stuff happens in the fine detail and if I can see it and you can’t, then nothing’s going to happen.

BTW, your 2:44pm is full of so many errors that if I were inclined, I could continue. But, I have better things to do, such as continue in my study of mathematics – I’m onto Abstract Coefficients and Linear Variation today in Advanced Mathematics by Saxon. It takes a lot of time, and I’ll use it there before I go shopping.
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October 29, 2015 4:00pm
Griff

Whatever lucy
keep up the good work
Whatever the church done is lawful and just …eh its all the secular worlds fault.
We made you cover up all the kiddy diddling slavery and baby selling .
I checked the history on line from a number of sources.
Marriage continued despite the edicts against it with a number of popes being the sons of popes.
Because hypocrisy has been part of the church hierarchy since forever.
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October 29, 2015 4:06pm
Manolo

@Ross12: The graph is amazing. It shows the size of the hordes invading Europe.

I read this morning that Sweden is accepting 9,000 illegal immigrants per week, while voicing concerns there are too many Afghans! A dramatic change of Swedish society is under way.
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October 29, 2015 4:08pm
DJP6-25

Manolo 12:33 pm. He should quit while there is still some donor money left. I don’t think anyone will miss him after a week.
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October 29, 2015 4:15pm
waikatogirl

Maggy
I’m sure one of them would know how to put out a rubbish tin, and perhaps I could train another to wield a chainsaw, and if I’m really lucky the 4th one might come with a trailer.

(even with 1 hubby, I still ended up with 2 M-in-Laws).
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Let me know where you can find a prospective hubby that is trainable and I might consider it. Perhaps younger are more mailable? No.1 hubby has mellowed and I nearly have him sorted 😉
If I did consider another marriage I would be vetting the MIL first. The existing one would not have passed……………..
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October 29, 2015 4:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If I did consider another marriage I would be vetting the MIL first.

Such useful advice… why hadn’t I encountered it before I was 25, spinster-of-the-parish and desperate?
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October 29, 2015 4:21pm
Manolo

@kowtow: In light of the illegal immigration crisis in Europe, I wonder if stephieboy is still pushing for more of them to come to NZ? Is he still a fervent supporter of more bludgers arriving?
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October 29, 2015 4:27pm
All_on_Red

Well it’s Halloween this weekend. The kids will be excited to be out and scoring as much sugar as they can. Wonder if Stephie is going to put on her Hillary Clinton costume and go looking for treats?
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/46/a1919f424ea3778e124ed03cd57429c0bf0e8215.jpg
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October 29, 2015 4:31pm
Griff

Why who are you going as all in red ?
Trump
or the other whacko Carson?
ROFL
Gee at lest Hillery is probably sane.
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October 29, 2015 4:35pm
cha

or the other whacko Carson?

Carson admitted trying to stab people and attack them with hammers and baseball bats in his youth so perhaps he could go as a thug.
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October 29, 2015 4:40pm
Reid

The world has watched in surprise as the leader of Syria, who would not abandon his country in war time, and the leader of Russia, a country that refused to be isolated, stood together in Moscow against the arrogant powers.

Iran and Iraq watched from the wings, taking care of business on their end from similar geopolitical aggressions from the Western-Israel-Gulf State musketeers, who have been wreaking havoc across the region. There is an old military saying, “Never underestimate your enemy”, where the updated form of that would be “never underestimate your victims’…because Russia and Syria never chose to be anyone’s enemies. The musketeers chose them to be victims.

America’s fall from grace as the spreader and protector of freedom and democracy is almost complete. A small Russian air wing, but a highly competent one, has turned the whole Syrian terror war upside down, with a combined operations display with the Syrian army that no one saw coming. And the most bitter pill of all, they have done this completely within the United Nations charter and international law, which their persecutors have treated with contempt…

Facts the idiot sheeple ignore.

Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooooooopid.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/28/how-russia-and-syria-turned-the-tide-on-terror/
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October 29, 2015 4:55pm
RF

Now that the Auckland City Council has voted in favour of off shore oil drilling that will be interesting for Christchurch.

Vicky Buck the brainless laughing deputy major was anti oil drilling at their last meeting.

Plonker…..
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October 29, 2015 5:03pm
Reid

The rest of that article discusses the tactics used, in detail. It’s very interesting if you like military stuff, but of course most sheeple prefer to read about the latest celeb goings on or what’s happening in sport, don’t they.
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October 29, 2015 5:03pm
waikatogirl

Graeme McCready’s has lost his case saying John Key was sexually harrassing the woman by pulling her pony tail.
There will be another hearing re costs.
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October 29, 2015 5:07pm
nasska

….”Graeme McCready’s has lost his case”…..

The mad woman who doesn’t pay her rates will be undone!
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October 29, 2015 5:10pm
Reid

I am fun. By Killary.

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/i-am-fun-51731
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