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stephieboy

He actually used a power lawn mower which was condemned by Health and safety people at the time.
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October 28, 2015 12:34pm
Andrei

Some porn for Stephieboy to drool over
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October 28, 2015 12:35pm
redeye

Funny story of the day needs to go to http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/73364650/irish-eatery-bans-vegans-amid-online-spat.

The vegans are going ballistic. They’ve set up a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/People-Against-the-People-Against-the-People-Against-The-White-Moose-Caf%C3%A9-1540694326153040/

The reply https://www.facebook.com/People-Against-the-People-Against-the-People-Against-The-White-Moose-Caf%C3%A9-1540694326153040/

Quite obviously veganism doesn’t make for a calm rational approach to life.
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October 28, 2015 12:49pm
starboard

Peaceful native wanting free sex again..ffs why cant they just pay for it like scottchris does.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/73442284/teenage-girl-dragged-into-car-by-two-men-in-northland
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October 28, 2015 1:10pm
stephieboy

Andre, much better –

The Vladimir Putin song,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJmvGJkHZDQ
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October 28, 2015 1:18pm
Manolo

Tourists need to be protected protection from the scum: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/615104/Riot-police-Calais-migrants

A huge security operation has been mounted around the Eurotunnel site in Calais to protect half-term holidaymakers from groups migrants.

The multi-million pound security operation is the latest show of strength towards 7,000 refugees who have congregated in Calais.
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October 28, 2015 1:47pm
starboard

Pond scum low life bro steals charity box

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/73440840/man-steals-money-bound-for-charity
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October 28, 2015 1:54pm
SPC

There is a green dog.

A super computer has gifted the world the wendelstein 7-X.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/technology/this-bizarre-machine-could-be-the-key-to-unlimited-energy/ar-BBmsX4i?li=AAaUOAg&ocid=iehp
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October 28, 2015 1:56pm
stephieboy

it’s rather surprising that this has not been debated on KB,

” Former PM makes the confession after 12 years of refusing to apologise
Blair says he is sorry for his conduct which has now led to ‘hell’ in Iraq
Says there is an element of truth that the war caused the rise of ISIS
Comes after Lord Blunkett revealed he had challenged Blair about the war

Blair’s confession comes a week after The Mail on Sunday published a bombshell White House memo revealing for the first time how Blair and Bush agreed a ‘deal in blood’ a year before the invasion.

A 2002 briefing note from US Secretary of State Colin Powell to the President showed Blair had secretly pledged to back the conflict – while telling MPs and British voters that he was seeking a diplomatic solution.”….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3287982/I-m-sorry-Bl
air-takes-blame-Iraq-War-admits-conflict-caused-rise-ISIS-as
tonishing-apology-TV-show.html

To be fair Blair and Bush could not have reasonably foreseen the rise of ISIS and of course nor could Obama be blamed for premature troop withdrawal !
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October 28, 2015 2:08pm
Scott

Stephieboy at 11:29 AM – the point of the article from National review was to highlight the false hoods spread by Hillary Clinton after the Benghazi attack. The wisdom of the United States being involved in Libya and ousting Gadhafi was not actually the point of the article.

For my part I would say that the United States and other countries really were making a mistake in Libya. For some reason they thought that there was going to be an Arab spring where democracy would rise up and overthrow authoritarian leaders. What actually happened is that either the authoritarian leaders were overthrown and chaos reigned or the authoritarian leaders were overthrown and a hard-line Islamic government was elected to office. My take on the Muslim world is that when Muslims are in charge the best you can hope for is an authoritarian ruler. Islam and democracy just do not go hand-in-hand and in my opinion are incompatible with each other.

However the fate of Libya was done on Obama’s watch and he needs to bear the responsibility for it along with the other NATO leaders.

Regarding an enquiry into past terrorist attacks I don’t know if there was one or not? Probably there should have been as Western lassitude and lack of action led in my mind directly to the horrific events of 911.
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October 28, 2015 2:09pm
stephieboy

Scott, and the fate of Libya that received a great deal of bipartisan support from Republicans like
John McCain , Joe Lieberman, Marco Rubio:, Mike Huckabee:,Lindsay Graham etc, etc as well as a unanimous Senate Resolution in favour of intervention. Also an intervention supported by the UN Security council 1973 ( Russia and China abstaining ).

The fact that no investigations were initiated for e.g. the Embassy bombing In Beirut April 18 1983 ( Killing 60 and wounding c100 personal, Marine guards etc ) serves to emphasis the highly partisan nature of the Trey Gowdy hearings and their politically vindictive and witch hunt motivations .

Name a number things that the bi partisan House intelligence committees missed that this investigation revealed ?
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October 28, 2015 2:24pm
Scott

Stephieboy – can’t really debate this with you all day, pressure of work sorry.
Well there were a number of Republicans that were wrong about Libya – fair comment. But the Libya debacle was done while Obama was president and although he may have gained some support from the other side of the aisle the buck stops with him. So let’s agree that he was wrong and seeing she was Secretary of State at the time, Hillary Clinton was wrong and leave it at that shall we?

This investigation revealed 2 things in my mind – the existence of Hillary Clinton’s private server to conduct email business which should have been on a government server. This state of affairs can only exist so that Hillary Clinton can escape freedom of information act requirements and other governmental oversight. She had a private server so she could hide things.

Secondly the investigation revealed, despite Hillary Clinton’s strenuous attempts to hide her emails, that Mrs Clinton knew that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack orchestrated by an Al Qaeda like group. She knew it was not the result of the video but she blamed it on the video because that suited the political narrative of the time that Obama’s foreign policy was a success. So she lied to the American public and continued to lie because that suited the politics of her administration which didn’t want the embarrassment of the failure of their foreign policy on the eve of the 2012 presidential election.

Sadly Mrs Clinton and Mister Clinton have a long history of duplicitous behaviour and if Mrs Clinton is ever elected to the White House one can confidently expect this pattern of behaviour to continue.
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October 28, 2015 2:42pm
All_on_Red

Well said Scott.
Looking at the Clintons behaviour in Haiti there’s no doubt they are corrupt. Their accepting funds from overseas donors through various offshoots of the Clinton Foundation also points to a high degree of corrupt practice.
Hillary has NO achievements to her name.
It’s a sad day for the US if she is the best they’ve got.
Lol at those who raise issues from 32 years ago. Desperation much?
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October 28, 2015 2:55pm
stephieboy

Scott your revelations amount to really nothing , but at least you you concede that Obama did receive bi partisan support for his action on Gadaffi and Libya ,

“Secondly the investigation revealed, despite Hillary Clinton’s strenuous attempts to hide her emails, that Mrs Clinton knew that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack orchestrated by an Al Qaeda like group….” Nothing of the sort and where and when did she actually hide those alleged emails .

The facts at the time of the attack a number of scenarios and possibilities were been considered as to the responsibility for the attack including the effect the video might of contributed through inflaming Muslim feelings etc.

Where did she actually lie intentionally misleading the US Public ?The Gowdy committee represents an ongoing 20 year vendetta by Republicans against the Clintons and this time going away empty handed . An investiagation theat reveals serious Repblican ommissions and inepttitude e.g Beirut 18th April 1983 which you continue to ignore !

Gowdy seems very uncertain,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/gowdy-questioned-on-new-findings-after-9-hour-benghazi-hearing/2015/10/23/7377c69a-7994-11e5-a5e2-40d6b2ad18dd_video.html
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October 28, 2015 3:00pm
dime

redeye – that dude is hilarious.

vegans are painful creatures.
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October 28, 2015 3:35pm
Manolo

On the footsteps of the paedophile prophet. Multiculturalism UK-style:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/27/rotherham-inquiry-police-charge-seven-men-child-abuse-offences

Seven men have been charged with child sexual exploitation offences by police investigating historical crimes in Rotherham.

South Yorkshire police said the offences were alleged to have taken place in 2003 and the charges arose out of Operation Clover, a partnership investigation by the force, Rotherham council and the Crown Prosecution Service.

Four of the men had been charged with rape. These were: Asif Ali, 30, of Clough Road, Rotherham; Waleed Ali, 33, of Canklow Road, Rotherham; Ishtiaq Khaliq, 32, of Cherry Brook, Rotherham; and Masoued Malik, 31, of Bridgewater Way, Rotherham.
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October 28, 2015 3:38pm
kowtow

simpleton1

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

It’s as if these lines were written by Cicero to apply to Merkel and the EU political class who have allowed the Islamic hordes to invade Europe.
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October 28, 2015 3:54pm
simpleton1

Merkel wins prizes and awards with this pan europe concept, not only a diversity of peoples, but to make it a diversity in the individual.
http://www.my-europe.org/articles/richard-nikolaus-count-coudenhove-kalergi/
So that agenda is there and being put in place, by Merkel and the EU leaders, as you can see by the interconnections of patrons workshops, schools, activities, media and awards.
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October 28, 2015 4:23pm
Fletch

The Onion does it again. Hillary is fun.

[…]

Being a grandparent is fun. It is also a way in which I am similar to others. This is a fun topic through which I can connect with many people. My grandchild’s name is as follows:

Charlotte.

Did I mention that I enjoy free time? Free time is when I generally have the fun I have mentioned above, and when I am the most fun myself. This is not to say I am not fun at other times, because I can be fun in any context as long as it is not inappropriate to do so. But I have found that free time is among the best times for fun. Do you agree? Perhaps this is yet another way in which you and I are similar.

You have seen how fun I can be, and that I do not take myself too seriously. Because of this, I am relatable.

[…]

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/i-am-fun-51731
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October 28, 2015 4:25pm
mikenmild

I didn’t think you would be such a fan of the Onion, Fletch.

My current favourites:

Benghazi Committee Instructs Hillary Clinton To Limit Answers To ‘I Failed The American People’
http://www.theonion.com/article/benghazi-committee-instructs-hillary-clinton-limit-51708

Ben Carson Tormented By Periodic Rational Thoughts
http://www.theonion.com/article/ben-carson-tormented-periodic-rational-thoughts-51616
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October 28, 2015 4:31pm
stigie

A full moon tonight, there will be cloud cover over most of the country so probably wont see the quality commenters on here if that full moon is hiding behind cloud…Pity really…?
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October 28, 2015 5:11pm
mikenmild

I’d expect significant contributions from D4J/Rowan and starboard/dirty harry, stigie.
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October 28, 2015 5:12pm
Brigitte

@stephieboy

“To be fair Blair and Bush could not have reasonably foreseen the rise of ISIS and of course nor could Obama be blamed for premature troop withdrawal !”

Ironically you have hit the nail on the head with that comment. Mind you, the reason that the statement is correct has more to do with the combined IQ of the two (Bush+Blair – still, I suspect, well shy of 3 digits) rather than the predictability of the outcome. There are several examples of more sensible leaders who predicted chaos from Pakistan to North Africa if the invasion went ahead.
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October 28, 2015 5:12pm
Inandout

stigie: Full moon, another quake.
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October 28, 2015 5:14pm
stigie

Milky,Inandout:- This was captured today of this old flog leaning over the fence looking into Hagley Park waiting patiently for the full moon to appear over the horizon tonight….might be out of luck im afraid !~

http://36.media.tumblr.com/4357875cdf5d363cca753f50a40dc371/tumblr_n8uhxlB1sb1tgif24o1_500.jpg
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October 28, 2015 5:23pm
nasska

A new study says it’s harder to sleep when there’s a full moon but personally I sleep really well at this time.

It’s when I wake up that’s the problem. My clothes are torn and about seven people are dead.
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October 28, 2015 5:31pm
stigie

“might be out of luck im afraid”

What i meant was there may be no full moon but anything else there that might take his fancy..?
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October 28, 2015 5:38pm
Fletch

Mind you, the reason that the statement is correct has more to do with the combined IQ of the two

Actually, Bush was very smart. Probably smarter than both you and I, according to Keith Hennesey who works at Stanford Business School, and who was the senior White House economic advisor to Bush.

As he told his class –

I am not kidding. You are quite an intelligent group. Don’t take it personally, but President Bush is smarter than almost every one of you. Were he a student here today, he would consistently get “HP” (High Pass) grades without having to work hard, and he’d get an “H” (High, the top grade) in any class where he wanted to put in the effort.

For more than six years it was my job to help educate President Bush about complex economic policy issues and to get decisions from him on impossibly hard policy choices. In meetings and in the briefing materials we gave him in advance we covered issues in far more depth than I have been discussing with you this quarter because we needed to do so for him to make decisions.

President Bush is extremely smart by any traditional standard. He’s highly analytical and was incredibly quick to be able to discern the core question he needed to answer. It was occasionally a little embarrassing when he would jump ahead of one of his Cabinet secretaries in a policy discussion and the advisor would struggle to catch up. He would sometimes force us to accelerate through policy presentations because he so quickly grasped what we were presenting.

I use words like briefing and presentation to describe our policy meetings with him, but those are inaccurate. Every meeting was a dialogue, and you had to be ready at all times to be grilled by him and to defend both your analysis and your recommendation. That was scary.

We treat Presidential speeches as if they are written by speechwriters, then handed to the President for delivery. If I could show you one experience from my time working for President Bush, it would be an editing session in the Oval with him and his speechwriters. You think that me cold-calling you is nerve-wracking? Try defending a sentence you inserted into a draft speech, with President Bush pouncing on the slightest weakness in your argument or your word choice.

In addition to his analytical speed, what most impressed me were his memory and his substantive breadth. We would sometimes have to brief him on an issue that we had last discussed with him weeks or even months before. He would remember small facts and arguments from the prior briefing and get impatient with us when we were rehashing things we had told him long ago.

And while my job involved juggling a lot of balls, I only had to worry about economic issues. In addition to all of those, at any given point in time he was making enormous decisions on Iraq and Afghanistan, on hunting al Qaeda and keeping America safe. He was making choices not just on taxes and spending and trade and energy and climate and health care and agriculture and Social Security and Medicare, but also on education and immigration, on crime and justice issues, on environmental policy and social policy and politics. Being able to handle such substantive breadth and depth, on such huge decisions, in parallel, requires not just enormous strength of character but tremendous intellectual power. President Bush has both.

http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/
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October 28, 2015 5:46pm
Griff

Being smarter than some one who is debatable short of the required three digits for average is no great shakes Fletch.
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October 28, 2015 5:56pm
SPC

I agree with Fletch, GWB was not dumb. He chose to regime change in Iraq knowing full well what he was doing and the chaos that would ensue.

I remember communicating to the US embassy in late 2001 advocating against a regime change in Iraq (I said they should win the war against terrorism from east Asia to east Africa first). I soon got put on an anti-American list by them and when Tiger Woods was playing golf here in early 2002 and was threatened (a hoax, probably CIA sourced) I and a number of other “anti-Americans” got visits from police. The meme was criticism of American government war policy was anti-American and thus from fellow travellers with the terrorist enemy who threatened the lives of Americans. The Tiger Woods action by local police was part of conditioning our government to support the Iraq action as an ally of the USA.

I thought it appropriate when another anti-American – that African born “Moslem” became POTUS. His candidacy based on opposing the Iraq war. Not being that dumb.

Of course Bush was supported by big oil and big industrial complex defence in his policy. As well as rebuilding Iraq contractors.
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October 28, 2015 6:08pm
Left Right and Centre

DPF thread suggestion: Wendy’s Hornby liquor licence application (threatening to tear apart the fabric of New Zealand society *eye roll*).
Kiwibloggers – your pre-thread two cents worth please.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/73433082/christchurch-wendys-could-start-selling-alcohol-with-burgers

Lead story on TV1 news – my goodness !!
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October 28, 2015 6:10pm
Reid

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151023-how-the-cold-war-vulcan-bomber-flew-again
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October 28, 2015 6:27pm
nasska

LR&C

It’s one of the quirks of our society that wine with a Filet Mignon is the epitome of fine living but beer & a burger is frowned upon.
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October 28, 2015 6:28pm
Reid

The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government – Review of David Talbot’s book

This is a bold and profoundly important book, not only for the portrait of the evil spymaster Allen Dulles, but even more so for its examination of the legacy he spawned – the creation of a cabal hidden behind the public face of the United States government that secretly runs the country today on behalf of wealthy elites.

The psychopathic Allen Dulles was the enforcer for this group, called “the power elite” by C. Wright Mills in the 1950s. In recent years, especially since September 11, 2001, as its power has expanded, it has been given different names – the deep state, the national security state, deep politics,etc. – but that has not diminished its power one jot. Like a patient who goes to a doctor seeking a label for vague yet disturbing symptoms, people may feel relief from the naming, but the dis-ease continues until the root cause is eliminated. Aye, there’s the rub!

Dulles is dead, but the structure he created lives on and flourishes under new operatives. Because of his intrepid examination of these forces, David Talbot can expect to be ignored and attacked by disinformation specialists of various stripes, who will use specious reasoning, lies, and any small weaknesses in his style or sourcing to dismiss the essential truths of his well-documented and beautifully written thesis. First ignore, and if that doesn’t work, then attack, is the modus operandi of these propagandists who populate the mainstream media, the people Dulles had in his pocket and whom Talbot excoriates throughout the book….

Sounds like what some of the sheeple on here weakly and somewhat pathetically attempt, doesn’t it.
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October 28, 2015 6:36pm
SPC

The Americans are going to target Raqqa and Ramadi when they intensify their war against IS.

And this will include ground attacks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34654693

Interesting that Tel Abayd was hit by Turkish artillery just a few days ago (they said they did not want two areas held by Syrian Kurds to be united by an expansion of Kurdish control of the area around Tel Abayd). As this area to the north of Raqqa would be the base for an attack on Raqqa one wonders if Turkey is trying to protect IS and is at cross purposes with the Americans – after all the rebel group trained by Americans in Turkey was killed and their weapons taken by al Nusra as soon as they left Turkey (as if tipped off by them).
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October 28, 2015 6:49pm
thedavincimode

Stigie

Looks like dad4restrainingorder was catching a few rays when he was on holiday at the caravan park. Not much privacy at his local glory hole I have to say, but I expect he’s past caring.

Who was on the other side of the fence?
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October 28, 2015 6:51pm
mikenmild

I thought it might be a photo of starboard reminiscing about his imaginary tropical holiday.
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October 28, 2015 6:53pm
thedavincimode

Aah. So that would mean dad4angermanagement would have been on the other side of the fence.
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October 28, 2015 6:56pm
thedavincimode

He certainly is a furry critter. Best he doesn’t dye his hair white and walk around Wainui like that.
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October 28, 2015 6:57pm
SPC

To take Raqqa, Syrian Kurds need to be reinforced by FSA forces from other parts of Syria and possibly Iranians.

As for Ramadi, do the Americans rely on the Iraqi army and Shia militia or supply weapons to Sunni tribes – the strategy that pushed al Qaeda in Iraq into Syria in the first place.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/09/15/ramadi-fight/71641602/
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October 28, 2015 6:57pm
stigie

That’s not Starbored Milky, but he generally does a huge wax job before he heads overseas to his favorite spot !~
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October 28, 2015 7:03pm
nasska

I wouldn’t bother about a waxing stigie……just crutch him around the arse & paint a bulls eye on his cheeks. 🙂
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October 28, 2015 7:20pm
SPC

Is Chelsea playing for their former medic, or their manager?

Since effectively sacking their medic, she has since resigned, Chelsea has become the worst performing former premiership winner in the following season.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3193920/Chelsea-doctor-Eva-Carneiro-set-AXED-bench-Jose-Mourinho-hit-naive-medical-team-Swansea-draw.html

She must have given awesome mid-week massages to have earned such loyalty.
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October 28, 2015 7:21pm
stigie

With your expertise Nasska, you could send him off to Thailand one happy man !~
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October 28, 2015 7:24pm
thedavincimode

nasska, time and a half for that crutching I reckon. That’s some serious dag territory.
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October 28, 2015 7:25pm
thedavincimode

stigie

It should also save Ladyboy Inc about 10 litres of oil a session.
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October 28, 2015 7:30pm
nasska

It would be a challenge Davinci. Worse still if he hadn’t been drenched for a while. 🙂
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October 28, 2015 7:30pm
Reid

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says a lot of weird things, but he got one issue right on Monday – Russian airstrikes against ISIL in Syria are a good thing.

When asked about his vision of US foreign policy, Trump said that he’d make the US military so big and strong that no one would “mess with [the United States].”

“If Russia wants to go into Syria and bomb the hell out of ISIS, I’m sort of ok with that,” Trump said during a talk with NBC’s anchor Matt Lauer. “If Putin wants to go in and drop bombs on ISIS, I’m ok with it, but we have to do it too.”

Trump also added that if he becomes the next US president, he’d have a good relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin…
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October 28, 2015 7:31pm
thedavincimode

Good point nasska. Although not such a bad thing for him. A nice smooth motorway from his ankles to his arse would have looked quite the thing at the caravan park disco.
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October 28, 2015 7:35pm
SPC

Reid, Trump is ignorant as. Does he not realise the US is already bombing IS AND that most of the Russian bombing is of other forces in Syria – not IS itself?

What Russia is doing is not wrong – after all the main rebel group fighting the Damascus regime al Nusra is a secret ally of IS and the Americans should join the Russians in bombing them.

But they are also bombing pro democratic groups such as the FSA. The Americans and Russians should be agreeing on bombing al Nusra in return for the Russians trying to avoid bombing of FSA positions.
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October 28, 2015 7:41pm
stigie

Dad working late and on a full moon as well, we want to experience another meltdown ?
Excellent entertainment and value…?
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October 28, 2015 7:44pm
Reid

The U.S. mainstream media continues to lie about what Putin has said are his reasons for intervening militarily in Syria and about the targets its air campaign is taking out. The first lie is that Putin said he was not intervening to prop up the Assad regime but rather to fight the Islamic State (IS or ISIS, ISIL, Daesh). He never said these things.

In fact, Putin looked into the eyes of the American people and the world through Charlie Rose and his 27 September interview on CBS and stated Russian had intervened militarily in Syria in order to back the Bashar Assad regime against all jihadi and other extremist groups…

Reid, Trump is ignorant as. Does he not realise the US is already bombing IS AND that most of the Russian bombing is of other forces in Syria – not IS itself?

How come the US had 18 months with not a dent, advance after advance after advance of the evil ISIS, yet as soon as Russia starts, in a week they’re running all over the place, in three weeks they’re in full retreat?

Why is that?

Or is that just bullshit and the last 18 months of history hasn’t unfolded like that, in any way whatsoever, in your world?
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October 28, 2015 7:45pm
nasska

….”How come the US had 18 months with not a dent, advance after advance after advance of the evil ISIS, yet as soon as Russia starts, in a week they’re running all over the place, in three weeks they’re in full retreat?”….

Just goes to show what a bit of competition can do Reid. 🙂
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October 28, 2015 7:51pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers – I’ve been granted speaking rights at the Auckland Council Governing Body meeting to be held tomorrow, Thursday 29 October 2015, at the Auckland Town Hall, 9.30am.

Seems that some members of the Local Government and Environment Select Committee, agree that it would be helpful to have a cost-benefit analysis of the Auckland ‘Supercity’ amalgamation?

“Your request for public input at the 29 October 2015 Governing Body meeting has been approved.

You have been allocated five minutes in the public input section of the meeting, commencing at 9.30am, in the Reception Lounge, Auckland Town Hall, to speak regarding the need for a ‘cost-benefit’ analysis of the Auckland Council amalgamation, and the Local Government and Environment Select Committee Report on Petition 2014/0009 of Penelope Mary Bright and 43 Others.
…..”
____________________________________________________

The above-mentioned Local Government and Environment Select Committee Report on Petition 2014/0009 of Penelope Mary Bright and 43 Others :

http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/sc/documents/reports/51DBSCH_SCR66460_1/petition-20140009-of-penelope-mary-bright-and-43-others

“Recommendation

The Local Government and Environment Committee has considered Petition 2014/9 of Penelope Mary Bright and 43 others and recommends that the House take note of its report.

The petition requests

That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the alleged failure of the current Local Government Commissioners, to carry out the necessary ‘due diligence’ in order to comply with their statutory duties under the Local Government Act 2002, before formulating the ‘Draft Wellington Reorganisation Proposal’.

…..

Petitioner’s concerns

In 2009 one regional and seven territorial authorities were amalgamated to create the Auckland “super city”.

The petitioner told us she was opposed to the Auckland amalgamation from its inception, and questioned its reasoning.

Because of her interest in local government reorganisation, the petitioner decided to become involved in the draft Wellington reorganisation proposal when it was released.

The petitioner is critical that the commission released its draft Wellington proposal before it

 provided statistical data on Wellington’s nine local councils’ costs of services and regulatory functions, on which future costs could be measured

 acquired statistics illustrating the predicted efficiencies resulting from Auckland’s amalgamation.
…….”

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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October 28, 2015 7:52pm
SPC

Reid, I have already explained this to you – have you a retention of information problem in your head world?

1. Where US bombing coincided with forces on the ground – IS lost territory – to Kurdish forces in Iraq and also in Syria.

2. The Russian bombing is supported by the national army of Syria, Hizbollah, and Iranians vastly better armed than the smaller Kurdish forces.

The validity of the Russian bombing in western and not north eastern Syria where IS is based is that they have local forces on the ground in the west to follow up the bombing.

Note that the Syrian regime have made no ground against IS at all since the Russian bombing began.
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October 28, 2015 7:56pm
Griff

Five minutes penny pointless.
Do you talk like you post long winded dribble on this blog?
You will not even finish your introduction..
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October 28, 2015 7:59pm
mikenmild

It’ll be like Monty Python’s All-England Summarise Proust Competition, Griff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwAOc4g3K-g
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October 28, 2015 8:05pm
publicwatchdog

Griff – WRONG ….

When did YOU last take up your concerns directly with Auckland Council?

On any matter?

Or Parliament?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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October 28, 2015 8:07pm
Reid

Just goes to show what a bit of competition can do Reid.

Just goes to show what propaganda can do for the sheeple nasska.

That the sheeple so easily accept no progress for 18 months all the while, while children are being sold to rapists in slave markets and the prettiest ones being shipped off to the ~~Saudi~~ harems of the prime ISIS sponsors all of which human and financial traffic the vaunted US was evidently simply just unable to trace, because the evil ISIS are just so stwong and invincible?

That’s history nasska. That is what happened.

How fucking dumb do you have to be, to believe there was never any other alternative outcome, with all that intel, all that power, all that might, at the hands of the empire then in control, if they had cared to lift a finger.

Note that the Syrian regime have made no ground against IS at all since the Russian bombing began.

According to who?

Jerusalem Post? NYT? Wapo?

The media that all told you there DEFINITIVELY WERE! WMD in Iraq?

Duh.
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October 28, 2015 8:09pm
Andrei

Note that the Syrian regime have made no ground against IS at all since the Russian bombing began

You have no idea of what is actually going on in Syria SPC – you are entirely dependant on media spin from English language media sources for your views.

But what is clear is the USA has been caught flatfooted and their malefeasance is exposed. They are illegally supplying weapons to anti Government elements in a sovereign nation, an action which has lead to the deaths of 100s of thousands and they are illegally bombing that same sovereign nation – wrecking its infrastructure and rendering it uninhabitable and ungovernable

This of course has lead to a major refugee crisis because not only have these wicked actions occurred in Syria but in many other lands besides

As an example of how psychopathic American foreign policy is listen to these nutcases – do you want WW3?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHXIUppbOQE
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October 28, 2015 8:11pm
nasska

Okay Penny.

My petition requests

That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the alleged failure of the current Auckland City Council, to collect multiple years worth of rates off a parasite in order to comply with their statutory duties under the Local Government Act 2002.
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October 28, 2015 8:12pm
stigie

Nasska….Bwahahahahaha
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October 28, 2015 8:15pm
SPC

Reid and Andrei, you cannot even use Russian media to claim that Syrian forces have taken territory off IS in Styria as they have not done so – nor are they trying to.

The point of the Russian action is to make the regime secure, not defeat IS. Once that stage is reached the campaign to support rebels to remove the regime will have to end. Leaving the fight to remove IS from Syria – by that time Iraqi forces should be seeking to defeat IS in Iraq as well. That pincer would finish off IS.
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October 28, 2015 8:18pm
Andrei

Why are the Turks bombing the Syrian Kurds SPC?
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October 28, 2015 8:23pm
SPC

nasska, the cost of legal action or parliamentary time is much greater than the unpaid rates involved.
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October 28, 2015 8:23pm
SPC

Andrei, its artillery fire or was in the recent instance. As for why, I have already given my opinion (6.49pm).

In the wider sense, Turkey and Gulf states do not care about democracy in Syria, they would prefer an Islamist government. For them Syria is a turf war between Shia and Sunni, just as Palestine is one between Arab/Moslem and the Judeo-Christian West.
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October 28, 2015 8:27pm
publicwatchdog

I was thinking more about an urgent inquiry into the alleged failure of Auckland Council to comply with the statutory requirements of the Local Government Act 2002, the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002, and the Public Records Act 2005, regarding the lawful rights of citizens and ratepayers to ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government?

Have had a bit of success with Parliamentary petitions Nasska – how about yourself?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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October 28, 2015 8:32pm
nasska

….”the cost of legal action or parliamentary time is much greater than the unpaid rates involved.”…..

Don’t worry about the cost SPC. In the parallel universe Penny has lured us into money & time mean nothing.

For instance read her comment at 7.52pm. This is the drivel select committees get put in front of them.
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October 28, 2015 8:32pm
Brigitte

Now both Russia and the US say they want to get rid of IS – and probably that is true. But, the Govt after that is the issue. They know that most likely Assad would be elected back into power (if not, then Russia would probably resist any change in Govt unless to an ally). Now the US wouldn’t allow that to happen. But with Russia there they can’t pull their regime change trick (no way that NED would be allowed into the country for starters). So ending the war with Assad in power is not an option for the US.

The US haven’t succeeded in ousting Assad and now seem unlikely to do so. Hence it appears to me that they have decided on the Libya solution (i.e., total chaos, no state, and fighting groups of terrorists). Basically, if they can’t win then no one else can either.

There are no winners here – but clearly the Syrian people are the losers. Europe, with the refugee problem, aren’t exactly winning either.
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October 28, 2015 8:41pm
mikenmild

Yes Penny, you’re quite the political success:

BRIGHT, Penny IND 420
DOUGHERTY, Deborah CNSP 963
GRAHAM, Kennedy GP 4,433
HADDOCK, Corie Jon LAB 4,425
HARRÉ, Laila IP 1,315
KEY, John NAT 22,720
PIRRIE, Phelan ACT 302
WHYTE, Brendan IND 7

Major political contribution: demonstrating that 420 residents of Helensville are certifiable.
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October 28, 2015 8:50pm
Griff

When did YOU last take up your concerns directly with Auckland Council?

Penny who the person behind Griff is you have no idea of.

What I do in the real world is my business.

Pay your smeging rates you useless bludger
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October 28, 2015 8:54pm
mikenmild

I’m pretty sure that I’ve done more for the community today than Penny: I’ve earned several hours worth of taxable income.
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October 28, 2015 9:01pm
SPC

Brigitte, the problem for the USA is that their policy in Syria became such a failure it has impacted on their exit strategy for Iraq.

It is now totally discredited, and as defeat of IS requires a force on the ground in Syria, they have only two choices

1. move FSA into position with Syrian Kurds to the north of Raqqa and seek another party to help them vs IS. Most likely Iran as Turkey appears most unwilling to get involved fighting Sunni Islamists while Assad remains in place.
2. the Syrian government directly retakes control of the country.

A continuance of IS in Syria while trying to remove IS from Iraq alone would seem futile (as to a successful exit from Iraq) and make the effort to support democracy in Syria seem a charade.
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October 28, 2015 9:02pm
Reid

The Russian Defense Ministry has urged NATO and Saudi Arabia to explain accusations that Russian airstrikes had allegedly targeted hospitals in Syria, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said Tuesday.

“We have summoned the US, UK, French, German, Italian, Saudi Arabian, Turkish and NATO military attaches today asked to give a formal explanation of these statements or to refute them. This especially concerns a number of outrageous allegations in the English-speaking media about alleged airstrikes on hospitals,” Antonov said.

According to him, information attacks on the Russian Aerospace Forces’ actions in Syria have intensified in a number of Western media outlets.

“We are being accused not only of launching airstrikes on ‘moderate opposition’, but also on civilian targets like hospitals, as well as mosques and schools. As a result, civilians are allegedly killed, according to Western media reports,” Antonov added.

He expressed regret that “some officials and politicians of a number of foreign states make similar statements [on civilian deaths in Russian airstrikes in Syria].”

Lies About Russia-Caused Civilian Deaths in Syria Stem From US

Antonov cited statements made by US State Secretary John Kerry, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, UK Defense Secretary Michael Fallon and French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian as examples.

The Russian Defense Ministry is “closely monitoring and analyzing these statements,” he added. According to him, Russia is bringing Russian and international communities to the notice about the Russian aviation’s actions in Syria on a daily basis.

“If our partners have some additional information, we have long called on them to share it with us.”

He added that if no evidence on civilian deaths in Russian airstrikes in Syria was provided in a few days, Moscow would come to a conclusion that the claims were part of the information warfare against Russia.

But the sheeple won’t think that. The sheeple will bleat and baaa like nobody’s business, won’t they.

Of course they will. That’s all they know.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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October 28, 2015 9:06pm
publicwatchdog

Oh diddums Griff.

Can’t ‘handle the jandal’ when a number of MPs on a Parliamentary Select Committee actually agree with some of the key points I made (based upon obviously compelling FACTS and EVIDENCE – given that I was the only person to provide evidence – both written and oral)?

What a DECENT man and GREAT ‘sport’ you are Griff.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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October 28, 2015 9:07pm
Griff

The Russian Defense Ministry
You think that the Russian defense ministry is going to be any less full of shite than say the CIA Reid?
baaaaa baaa baaaa
Modern media has many options
For the middle east I would probably trust Al Jazeera more than main stream USA sources or Russian public propaganda
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October 28, 2015 9:11pm
nasska

….”Can’t ‘handle the jandal’ when a number of MPs on a Parliamentary Select Committee actually agree with some of the key points I made”….

Probably they thought that might shut you up & get you out of the hearings room.

The only other option would have involved setting fire to the building.
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October 28, 2015 9:15pm
mikenmild

Ha ha.
Donald Trump:
“It has not been easy for me. It has not been easy for me. I started off in Brooklyn. My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-father-loan-1-million-dollars-215154#ixzz3pqfaDIWZ
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October 28, 2015 9:16pm
publicwatchdog

Really Mikenmild?

Actually, a number of people who were very opposed to the proposed Wellington ‘Supercity’ have been very appreciative of my (unpaid) research and (voluntary) effort.

You see – I don’t focus on anonymous whining on Kiwiblog?

Don’t worry – when I’m Auckland Mayor – there will be some BIG changes regarding ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government …..

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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October 28, 2015 9:19pm
nasska

The best example of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps I’ve heard of in a long time Mike. 🙂
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October 28, 2015 9:20pm
SPC

Given the Saudi Arabian bombing in Yemen and Turkish actions against Kurds in Turkey their protests as to civilian casualties in Syria from bombing of their allies are specially absurd.

NATO support for arming a rebellion against the regime, that has resulted in a protracted civil war reminds one of WW1 – so much loss of life that no one can accept an end to it. Thus fighting on and on to win to justify the war with victory some time in the future.

But for IS emerging they might have got away with it. Can’t see it now.
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October 28, 2015 9:22pm
mikenmild

when I’m Auckland Mayor

Don’t forget to get ipredict to set up an option for your win. If you invest all the money you have saved by NOT PAYING YOUR RATES you will earn a considerable sum.
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October 28, 2015 9:24pm
publicwatchdog

Actually Nasska – the Local Government and Environment Select Committee gave me 20 minutes, for my oral presentation and questions.

And they could have reported back ‘we have no matters to bring to the attention of the House’.

They didn’t.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate 🙂
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October 28, 2015 9:24pm
Griff

Don’t worry – when I’m Auckland Mayor – there will be some BIG changes regarding ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government …..

1 Deluded beating blank and invalid does not make you a candidate with a chance of getting the support needed to be mayor of our biggest city.
2 Penny how is releasing your public donations for your public watchdggery going?
oh that right…… you are not transparent when it comes to your use of money you beg from the public.
3 You dont pay your rates what makes you think you are responsible or have any right to dictate to Auckland council over the use of other peoples money?
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October 28, 2015 9:33pm
mikenmild

And they could have reported back ‘we have no matters to bring to the attention of the House’.

They didn’t.

No, they didn’t. Instead their report back said ‘we have absolutely no matters to bring to the attention of the House’.
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October 28, 2015 9:34pm
publicwatchdog

Oh dear Mikenmild – you obviously have some serious reading comprehension issues?

Or – if the truth is not on your side – LIE?

http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/sc/documents/reports/51DBSCH_SCR66460_1/petition-20140009-of-penelope-mary-bright-and-43-others

“Recommendation

The Local Government and Environment Committee has considered Petition 2014/9 of Penelope Mary Bright and 43 others and recommends that the House take note of its report.
__________________________________________________

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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October 28, 2015 10:00pm
Manolo

A good headline: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2015/10/28/abc-dumps-trump-hes-got-electile-dysfunction-iowa

On the morning of the latest Republican presidential debate, ABC’s Good Morning America mocked Donald Trump as having “electile dysfunction” and of being in need of “polling Viagra.”
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