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October 27, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 27 October 2015

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Yvette

So will the meat section, delicatessen and selected frozen food shelves of supermarkets now become the venue for a plethora of gruesome photographs and graphic warnings showing the cancers that sausages, bacon, ham and salami, and preserved meat may give you?
Will snarlers be in a locked cabinet and require proof of age to purchase them?
For consistency, transparency, and honesty?
Big Mac packaging with pictures of rectal cancer?
Merde!

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/26/bacon-ham-sausages-processed-meats-cancer-risk-smoking-says-who
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October 27, 2015 8:01am
Manolo

We should eat our veger but never red meat, shouldn’t we?
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621

Processed meats – such as bacon, sausages and ham – do cause cancer, according to the World Health Organisation.

Its report said 50g of processed meat a day – less than two slices of bacon – increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.
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October 27, 2015 8:03am
oldpark

Believe it or not . Was reading the comments of the Zimbamwean rugby player a guy called David Pocock,who masquerades as an Australian 7/8 rugby player, is talking up his chances against our super star Richie McCall. Lets hope empty vessels make the most sound.
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October 27, 2015 8:04am
igm

“Manawatu Standard” running a lead story on how churches in Levin are pushing to take bogus refugees. Maybe these do-gooders take full resonsibility for them, because this is another area where rates are out of control, bureaucracy and fiscal mismanagement appalling, and a lot of unemployment. When are these church types going to awake to the fact we, those that are paying taxes and rates, don’t bloody want them, and don’t deserve them. They cost both ratepayers and taxpayers too much, do not assimilate, don’t want to work, and abuse properties in which they are housed. Wake up before it is too late, Levin appears to be a nice clean and respectable community, don’t turn it into another Muslim ghetto.
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October 27, 2015 8:05am
Manolo

The sellers and peddlers of mythical heavens are now pushing AGW:
https://in.news.yahoo.com/global-bishops-call-complete-decarbonisation-151851702.html

Bishops launched a global appeal Monday for a break-through at upcoming Paris climate talks, including a “complete decarbonisation” of the world’s economy and more help for poor countries battling the effects of climate change.

The bishops said any agreement “should limit global temperature increases to avoid catastrophic climatic impacts, especially on the most vulnerable communities.
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October 27, 2015 8:10am
kowtow

yvette

Talking of health warnings ,funny how the “progressives” are pushing “medicinal” cannabis at the same time its unhealthy effects are just beginning to be understood.

But of course it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with agenda.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3290223/How-smoking-cannabis-raises-risk-STROKE-Drug-significantly-narrows-blood-vessels-head.html
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October 27, 2015 8:20am
Colville

Levin appears to be a nice clean and respectable community,

That has to be the funniest thing I will read all day 🙂
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October 27, 2015 8:20am
Inandout

Stickman on Pak n Save ad mentions their shop in ‘Pukeekorhee’; can’t wait for Taupo or Tauranga to be mentioned. Another comedian gone PC, and I hope someone takes the piss out of him on 7 Days.
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October 27, 2015 8:22am
kowtow

What is it about those Flemings and Walloons that they produce so many Muslim terrorists?

“Belgium has been one of the largest recruiting bases per capita for foreign fighters travelling to join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group, and authorities have openly expressed alarm about what the recruits might do if they return.”

Must have something to do with the “enrichment” that immigration brings to the boring white west.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/belgium-detains-suspect-attack-army-barracks-151026134841653.html
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October 27, 2015 8:22am
Colville

Red meat causes cancer? oooopppss…

and here I just ordered two black Angus Pure tenderloins, dry aged for 28 days, and I am drooling thinking about a big chunk blood rare with a good Syrah tonight….

a lentil burger just isnt the same….
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October 27, 2015 8:25am
kowtow

“Human rights” need a sort out.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/614714/illegal-immigrant-sexual-assault-woman-London-deportation-Syrian-refugee
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October 27, 2015 8:28am
Hugh Pavletich

(Just) 15,000 workers will support central Christchurch retail precinct … The Press

15,000 workers will support central Christchurch retail precinct | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/73298652/15000-workers-will-support-central-christchurch-retail-precinct

To put things in perspective, the former central area was in decline prior to the first earthquake events 4 September 2010, with 6,000 entities and around 50,000 workers.

So the numbers indicated within the article suggest the area on completion will be about 30% of its former size.

The Government entities have been forced back in … in the main … at much higher rentals than they would need to pay in the suburbs. But hey … the taxpayer pays … not the politicians !

The Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) noted in a recent report, that since the first earthquake events, half the new housing to date has been built in the well-run and responsive smaller adjoining local government areas of Selwyn and Waimakairi … with associated business of course ( e.g. Selwyns IZone ).

The Press needs to be very clear on the massive demographic shifts underway. Demographics is destiny !
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October 27, 2015 8:30am
Liberty

Three strikes: 96 offenders face final warning
“However, Wairarapa-based former Act Party candidate Shane Atkinson said he believed the legislation was bad law in its underlying principle as well as its process and performance.Three strikes took away sentencing options for judges, he said.”

We are talking about lowlife thickos who have used up their options. They are of the street that is what matters. Judges given options. You are kidding. I know of only one Judge who jails little shits for tagging. The rest are a bit soft.
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October 27, 2015 8:41am
big bruv

So the great (acknowledged world wide as being one of the games greats) John Eales agrees with me. The Aussie back row are far superior to our highly over rated and perennially offside trio.
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October 27, 2015 8:43am
big bruv

Further confirmation that the fix is already in has been confirmed with the appointment of the ref for the final, and the news that the NZ captain is not going to face the judiciary for his outrageous act of dirty play. It is now clear that McCaw can do what ever he likes on the field of play and get away with it.

As for the ref, I really don’t know why the IRB bothered appointing a ref at all for this game, they may as well just give McCaw the fucking whistle such is the NZ captains influence over Owens.

What a pity, this final could be a great advert for a minor sport, instead we are going to watch two teams playing out an event which has already been decided.
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October 27, 2015 8:51am
waikatogirl

Kowtow
Talking of health warnings ,funny how the “progressives” are pushing “medicinal” cannabis at the same time its unhealthy effects are just beginning to be understood.
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Medicinal cannabis does not contain THC. The nobs who think they will be getting high on a cannabis prescription have been smoking too much.
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October 27, 2015 8:51am
Inandout

Colville 8.20: I could think of a lot worse towns, but I guess if your town is ‘church blanketed’ like I hear Levin is, then you get your share of do gooders. Ironically these ‘refugees’ will be Muslim so they will immediately be at odds with the established Godists, and won’t even enter the churches because they despise the cross. How deliciously ironic, if these migrants settle in Levin, that they call for the church crosses to be taken down because it offends them. Why on earth do hand wringers migrate to churches?
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October 27, 2015 8:58am
Colville

big bruv.

I ask you again.

What did McCaw do wrong? this act of dirty play you want him cited for? what is it?
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October 27, 2015 8:58am
mikenmild

big bruv apparently still believes that McCaw elbowed Francois Louw, despite it being pointed out several times that the collision was in the hip region. From one angle, it looked like a connection with the elbow, but that was a bit of an illusion.
Nice to know though, that big bruv takes some comfort from an Australian thinking the Australian loose forwards are superior to ours.
I’m also wondering why big bruv pays such obsessive attention to this ‘minor’ sport.
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October 27, 2015 9:06am
Nookin

Colville

I suggest that this issue is the ultimate proof that BB’s views have no factual basis and are born of an irrational derangement. The clip that I saw shows, without any semblance of doubt, that it was McCaw’s hip that hit Louw and that his elbow was well clear. BB is a pathetic troll on the issue of the All Blacks. I wonder if he is actually D4J?
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October 27, 2015 9:06am
WineOh

@ Colville, not much beats a great steak – and it looks like you’re ok on health grounds too. The elevated risk was for “processed” foods, less so your prime Angus… so eat up and wash it down with a decent glass of red while you’re at it.
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October 27, 2015 9:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Manolo 8:10

I’m trying to figure out how to decarbonise the Wassilieff lifestyle, as I’d hate to be disobeying the bishops.

http://www.3news.co.nz/world/bishops-launch-complete-decarbonisation-appeal-2015102707#axzz3phpnZIv7

But do I plant more C-factories (trees) or do I burn the ones I’ve got?
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October 27, 2015 9:09am
Longknives

Nigel Owens- Known in Ireland as Richie McCaw’s Biggest Fan..

“How much overtime do you need boys? Oh and I’ll award some dubious penalties to get you up the other end”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV5zndjlv7w
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October 27, 2015 9:10am
dime

Come new years day, will we be hearing the announcement of Sir Steve Hansen?

I haven’t seen the idea of a knighthood floated anywhere.. but surely the precedent is set?

You’d have to think Sir Richard McCaw regardless of the outcome next weekend.. unless he decides he will go another 4 years 😀
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October 27, 2015 9:19am
Longknives

“Regardless of the outcome” Dime?

There is no way in hell Nigel Owens will let his beloved All Blacks lose on the weekend- You’d be mad not to back NZ -12!
A smirking Mike Hoskings pretty much confirmed this result is Predetermined last night with comments about the All Blacks knowing it’s in the bag etc

You’d think the NZ media might at least pretend it’s a fair contest!
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October 27, 2015 9:23am
calendar girl

The Aussie back row are far superior to our highly over rated and perennially offside trio.

Mr Eales’ expert opinion will be tested on the field next weekend. But while he might eventually prove to be right on the day, I’m sure that the sportsman that is Eales would cringe at his name being linked with BB’s description (“highly over rated and perennially offside trio”) of All Black loose forwards McCaw, Reid and Kaino.
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October 27, 2015 9:25am
starboard

Filthy vile oxygen thieves..these sorts of pond scum really should be just buried alive..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/73389970/kiwi-mum-kayla-james-gives-evidence-against-ex-over-alleged-murder-of-her-son
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October 27, 2015 9:25am
kowtow

waikatogirl

“Two FDA-approved drugs, dronabinol and nabilone, contain THC. They treat nausea caused by chemotherapy and increase appetite in patients with extreme weight loss caused by AIDS.”

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine
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October 27, 2015 9:26am
MT_Tinman

WineOh (716 comments) says:
October 27th, 2015 at 9:09 am

@ Colville, not much beats a great steak – and it looks like you’re ok on health grounds too. The elevated risk was for “processed” foods, less so your prime Angus… so eat up and wash it down with a decent glass of red while you’re at it.

The article predictably mentioned red meat as well as processed meat.

Still, 18% of zero is zero.

I may have to have a bottle of Black Wattle cab. sauv. with my sausages tonight 🙂 .
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October 27, 2015 9:26am
big bruv

“I may have to have a bottle of Black Wattle cab. sauv. with my sausages tonight 🙂 ”

Just the one?, you must be working later on in the evening.
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October 27, 2015 9:28am
Manolo

@Colville: Forget Shiraz or Syrah. Cabernet Sauvignon is the noble grape, the true king of red wines.
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October 27, 2015 9:30am
Keeping Stock

So big bruv believes that butter wouldn’t melt in the mouths of Michael Hooper and David Pocock. Perhaps he has forgotten Hooper being suspended for a dangerous shoulder charge in the match against England, and David Pocock receiving a post-match yellow card warning after kneeing a Welsh player in the pool match.

It was obvious to anyone with even a passing knowledge of IRB appointments procedures that Owens was getting the final when he was not appointed to referee one of the semi-finals. He has clearly been the best referee at the tournament, and is especially good at the breakdown, unlike Barnes and Garces at the weekend, who were pedantic and inconsistent respectively.

The best thing about Owens’ appointment however is that he will let the players get on with the game, and with the attacking intent that both sides will bring, this could be (weather permitting) the most open Rugby World Cup final yet.
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October 27, 2015 9:32am
BeaB

Can you imagine being the fat kid in the class and being hauled off to be solemnly told by the principal, teachers, assorted nurses etc that you are fat?

And your parents being brought in to be told that you are fat and how to feed you properly. And being given diet and exercise sheets and being weighed. Poor kids.

What a rich field it will be for future academics to examine the psychological wreckage!

And no doubt the taxpayer will be expected to cough up for a supplement to the benefit so the family can buy ‘healthy’ foods.
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October 27, 2015 9:33am
starboard

‘Pukeekorhee’

Absolute joke. Too-Poo , O-om-a-ru , Team-aru , shove it up ya arse , there is no buy in from anyone to change the pronunciation of place names in New Zealand except from the sickly white guilt ridden pc assholes who exist among us.

Roll on murri language week where I take great joy and pleasure in bastardising the stone age language and culture.
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October 27, 2015 9:33am
kowtow

It is not extremist to want to protect your own culture and country. The extremists are the politicians ,like Merkel or Blair who have flooded their countries with Muslims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11955742/We-are-seeing-the-last-dying-days-of-open-frontiers-in-Europe.html
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October 27, 2015 9:36am
dime

Longknives – i hope youre right!

I wish we had rigged 95, 99, 03 & 07!!! GLORIOUS!
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October 27, 2015 9:39am
MT_Tinman

I notice the whinging and whining from the Pom has started a week early.

Mr Eales, ex-Ocker captain, was hardly likely to come out saying “We’ll get thrashed.” was he?
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October 27, 2015 9:40am
mikenmild

Good point, dime. How come the referees are not always afraid to let the All Blacks lose? How have we ever lost a World Cup match?
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October 27, 2015 9:42am
MT_Tinman

big bruv (14,957 comments) says:
October 27th, 2015 at 9:28 am

“I may have to have a bottle of Black Wattle cab. sauv. with my sausages tonight 🙂 ”

Just the one?, you must be working later on in the evening.

Gotta get back what I spent on the new van.
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October 27, 2015 9:43am
Paulus Gnome

All this ranting and spitting about who is more important, McCaw or the welsh gay boy with a whistle, Australia or New Zealand, is largely irrelevant.

We ALL know the outcome belongs to St. Cairns
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October 27, 2015 9:43am
waikatogirl

Nick Smith wants ideas on how to dispose of 3 million tyres every year?

I did see cyclone safe housing being built out of tyres in Vanuatu. Ship them all to the Islands!
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October 27, 2015 9:46am
waikatogirl

Kowtow
“Two FDA-approved drugs, dronabinol and nabilone, contain THC. They treat nausea caused by chemotherapy and increase appetite in patients with extreme weight loss caused by AIDS.”
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So much for Peter Dunne explaining this was not the case. Should have known to be cynical when his lips were moving! 😉
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October 27, 2015 9:49am
Michael

I wonder what the chances are of Michael Cheika or Stephen Moore receiving knighthoods if Australia wins the Rugby World Cup ?
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October 27, 2015 9:54am
Jack5

A line from the Christchurch Press today:

It was not known how many Canada geese lived in Canterbury.

Not returning their census forms, eh?
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October 27, 2015 9:56am
Keeping Stock

Football Federation Australia has shafted the Wellington Phoenix yet again. They will only negotiate a four-year licence renewal for the club, which wants the security of a 10-year licence, still only half of what is being offered to some dysfunctional Australian-based club.

Word leaked out last week that FFA favours a third Sydney team in the A-League which is only going to dilute support for Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers. It is clear that FFA has a Sydney-centric agenda, which is now surprise given their CEO David Gallop’s history; when head of the NRL, he had a long-running feud with Melbourne Storm, once describing their fans as “terrorists” because they booed him when he presented the 2011 Minor Premiership to the club. Gallop left the NRL suddenly and unexpectedly in 2012, having just been offered a fresh four-year contract.

There was an online petition set up last night, and in just over twelve hours it has already gathered more than 2300 signatures. Please consider adding your name to the petition, and also sharing the link on your social networks to ensure it gets the widest possible coverage.

https://www.change.org/p/australian-ffa-save-the-wellington-phoenix

#SaveTheNix
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October 27, 2015 9:58am
Manolo

The next one in line (after the Messiah):
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-26/the-most-likely-next-president-is-hillary-clinton

Some Republicans so detest Hillary Clinton they are badly underestimating how likely she is, at this point in the campaign, to be America’s 45th president.
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October 27, 2015 9:58am
mandk

waikatogirl: “Medicinal cannabis does not contain THC”

Which is why I can’t understand why govt(s) are so opposed to its use as a pharmaceutical.

Surely the only questions should be:
1) Is it safe?
2) Does it provide benefits that other drugs don’t provide?
3) Can it be provided at reasonable cost?
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October 27, 2015 9:59am
KevinH

Australian Rugby Union have punted $300k on the final: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11535510

Money down the drain because the AB’s will win, Aussie haven’t got the firepower that the AB’s have. I’m predicting a big win for the AB’s, a 20 point margin. Suck it up Big Bruv.
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October 27, 2015 10:02am
stephieboy

The Trey Gowdy inspired Benghazi farce reaches it’s predictable end,

Hillary Clinton “survived with her humanity not only intact, but enhanced”

“I must admit, I was riveted by the House Special Committee’s Benghazi hearings. It was gripping and human—a reminder that politics can be the best theater we have. It was subtle theater, though: not the broad stroke Reality TV nonsense that has diminished the 2016 presidential race. It was a classic drama about an endurance test, in some ways a torture session, and whether the main character, Hillary Clinton, would survive or be broken.

She did, of course, survive—and it was a remarkable thing to behold. She survived with her humanity not only intact, but enhanced…by her laughter, coughing, patience, comprehensive knowledge without seeming robotic, and clear concern about the Benghazi tragedy. I have some big differences with Clinton on matters of foreign policy—I thought the decision to go into Libya was wrong in the first place; I thought her desire to get involved in the Syria mess showed that she hadn’t learned enough from our Iraq and Libyan experiences. But she demonstrated a presidential level of preparation, endurance and grace under pressure in the face of the Committee’s shameless marathon.

As for the Republicans, it’s about time they learned their lesson: they have been obsessed with the Clintons for more than 20 years now. It’s a sick obsession. There has been a lascivious edge to it—from Paula Jones to Vince Foster to Monica Lewinsky to Alabama Congresswoman Martha Roby’s embarrassing question, late in the hearing, about whether Clinton “slept alone” when she went home from the office the night of the Benghazi attacks… “

http://time.com/4084881/hillary-clinton-benghazi-hearing-farce/?xid=homepage

Republicans and their toadies here – time to move on and end the 20 year mad obsession !
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October 27, 2015 10:05am
Manolo

Wouldn’t this be a good thing?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/extreme-heatwaves-could-push-gulf-climate-beyond-human-endurance-study-shows

The Gulf in the Middle East, the heartland of the global oil industry, will suffer heatwaves beyond the limit of human survival if climate change is unchecked, according to a new scientific study.
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October 27, 2015 10:06am
big bruv

KS

The best ref at the tournament has been Wayne Barnes, he should have been given the final. But no, if the IRB had appointed Barnes the NZ team would have been most upset and the IRB will never do anything to upset the precious men in black.
Instead we get a ref who is an admitted NZ fanboi, one who will make sure that the result goes the way of the NZ team.

As for Pocock and Hooper, you actually make my point for me. These two have been treated as they should by the judiciary, they committed foul paly and were dealt with in the correct manner. However, when the NZ captain commits a series of far more egregious sins he is slapped with nothing more than a ‘don’t do that again sir’ penalty. It is a fucking joke and a rort.
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October 27, 2015 10:06am
waikatogirl

Mandk, I agree with medical cannabis.
The concern is those who abuse drugs for the high rather than for true medical reasons.

Strong opiates are not easily obtained on prescription unless a patient has been diagnosed with a very serious illness. A level of care needs to be in place for medical cannabis to stop it being prescribed for less severe complaints, as appears to have happened in the USA, etc.
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October 27, 2015 10:09am
stephieboy

Manolo, why not include your homeland as well ?

I take it you also have Israel specifically in mind you sick diseased chook ?
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October 27, 2015 10:10am
mikenmild

However, when the NZ captain commits a series of far more egregious sins he is slapped with nothing more than a ‘don’t do that again sir’ penalty. It is a fucking joke and a rort.

Sigh.
Didn’t McCaw get a yellow card in the pool game against Argentina? Doesn’t he get penalised when he infringes?
Take off the eye patch and enjoy the good rugby the All blacks play.
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October 27, 2015 10:19am
KevinH

“MBIE’s ‘schoolboy antics’ with model sheep cost taxpayers $745”

Taxpayers are footing the bill for an incident with a model sheep at the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment’s Christmas party last year.

According to reports on TVNZ, the sheep was an inflatable bought from an adult sex store and cost $170 to hire, with the bill rising to $745 after an as-yet-unknown incident.

Bill English, as acting Prime Minister, stated that it is “good for the kids” to keep morale up at MBIE.

MBIE chief financial officer Iain Cossar said he wasn’t in attendance at the party:

“I don’t know what happened to the sheep. I’m not happy about what happened to the sheep but something occurred during the course of the evening and we’ve had to repair them.”

Labour’s economic development spokesman, David Clark, said the incident and the resulting cost to the tax-payer was “sheer nonsense”.

“Taxpayers are being fleeced for inappropriate schoolboy antics at a government department”.

Ok what happened to the sheep. Has anyone got pix from their cellphone. Was Starboard there? Doe’s Reid think it’s a conspiracy, and where is Penny on this?
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October 27, 2015 10:20am
Jack5

Re Stephie the Bot at 10.10:

Are you now implying Manolo is an Israeli?

Until recently you have been lambasting him because you thought he was Peruvian.
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October 27, 2015 10:26am
SPC

Monetary policies have been loose because governments have been running austerity programmes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34643363

The unspoken thing is, it was loose monetary policy and the financial system misallocation of that money that led to the GFC – there has been an effort to improve bank capital ratios but one wonders if that increase will be enough given the amount of QE money floating around.
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October 27, 2015 10:26am
Manolo

@Jack5: Shalom!
P.G. claimed I was Peruvian, while stephieboy called me Indonesian.
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October 27, 2015 10:30am
Brian Smaller

As for Pocock and Hooper, you actually make my point for me. These two have been treated as they should by the judiciary, they committed foul paly and were dealt with in the correct manner. However, when the NZ captain commits a series of far more egregious sins he is slapped with nothing more than a ‘don’t do that again sir’ penalty. It is a fucking joke and a rort.

Can you point out what sin he committed? There was NO elbow to the head. His hip/thigh contacted the shoulder of the South African player as he ran a line with his eyes on the ball.
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October 27, 2015 10:33am
stephieboy

Jackie 5, no I had reasonable grounds to believe that the Indonesian ( ?) was making a snide remark about not only the Gulf states but especially Muslims in general living there and in the ME. He may wish to clarify ?

I have never claimed he was Peruvian , but I understand he is non white and as per above ? Manolo may like to correct me though about his race and ethnicity !
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October 27, 2015 10:36am
Manolo

All I can say is that nasi goreng, soto ayam, and bakso are my favorite dishes. 😀
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October 27, 2015 10:40am
Paulus

Having just returned from my morning coffee I read in the cafe the leader column of the Herald. I have not taken the rag for a number of years.
However I am staggered to agree with the outline of what it says – simply
Auckland Council ? vote on deep sea drilling exploration has sweet FA to do with you or any other local councils (eg The Holy city of Christchurch, and many piss pot other LOCAL Councils).
I also read elsewhere that the Liar Len has the casting vote and he will vote against it.
Goff is in favour I understand, but he is a natural hypocrite (like Liar).
I voted for the Government to whose responsibility I give to make decisions in the national interest the not to a few mindless stupid hypocrites who believe they are above all such decisions and they alone are almighty.
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October 27, 2015 10:42am
mikenmild

I believe that Manolo’s ethnicity is not particularly relevant to his level of fuckwittery.
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October 27, 2015 10:42am
SPC

stephieboy, Manolito was the name of a Mexican on the TV series High Chaparral. He was a drunkard who like to gamble and was living off support from his sister who had married a rich American.
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October 27, 2015 10:44am
Manolo

@SPC: That description of Gran Chaparral’s Manolito is too close for comfort, mate.
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October 27, 2015 10:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

@stephieboy

Manolo may like to correct me though about his race and ethnicity !

Why can’t you just leave this alone? Some of us don’t want to discover that he is another obese, pasty, bald old man.

I have my own vision of Manolo and he’s a nice piece of eye candy.
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October 27, 2015 10:48am
dime

“The best ref at the tournament has been Wayne Barnes, he should have been given the final. But no, if the IRB had appointed Barnes the NZ team would have been most upset and the IRB will never do anything to upset the precious men in black.”

I havent watched enough of the games to comment on whether or not Barnes has been the best..

But I do love that the IRB FEAR us so much they wont fuck with us 🙂 🙂
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October 27, 2015 10:49am
Captain Mainwaring

The Aussies don’t want the Phoenix. Not bringing enough money to the League apparently. Boo Hoo. How many would notice if the Phoenix didn’t exist? Minor sport in this country.
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October 27, 2015 10:50am
stephieboy

milkenmild, I’ve been asked plenty of times my ethnicity here on KB which have willingly divulged .

I still find Manolo comments about the Gulf states rather offensive .

However lets move on and leave it there .
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October 27, 2015 10:55am
SPC

The IRB stole our rucking from us, we stole Lions backline play to win anyway.
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October 27, 2015 11:04am
Colville

I have met Manolo and I can comment that I believe the Man to be a deep cover operative for Mossad, ex special forces.
Light on his feet and very nimble of mind.
Knows his way around a glass of wine too. 🙂
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October 27, 2015 11:04am
stephieboy

Some real heartening good news out from the Middle East at long last ,

Iraq rescue: video shows US prison raid freeing 70 hostages from Isis

“Helmet-camera footage issued by Kurdistan government shows men running through compound in Hawija during operation in which US soldier was killed…

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/25/video-released-us-kurdish-rescue-operation-iraq-isis-hawija

Am awaiting with baited breathe when Reid , EAD , and idiots Zero Hedge , Alex Jones , Paul Craig Roberts etc claim it was all a staged false flag psy ops .!
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October 27, 2015 11:11am
Kimbo

Manolito was the name of a Mexican on the TV series High Chaparral. He was a drunkard who like to gamble and was living off support from his sister who had married a rich American.

Umm, almost right. He was Victoria’s brother, but Big John Cannon’s brother, Buck, was the drunkard, not Manolito.

Just saying…
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October 27, 2015 11:22am
Fletch

stephieboy, If you’re talking about how Hillary presented herself during the hearing on Benghazi then yes she did quite well, but it was all theatre – putting her hand on her chin every time a Republican asked a question – feigning boredom – ho-hum. As far as substance, if you look at what was presented, she has some serious questions to answer about why she lied.

The reality is that what the media Clinton-enablers are saying about it and what was actually revealed are two different things. As I posted yesterday, we know for a fact (Hillary wrote it in her own emails) that the video excuse was a lie to deflect from both her and Obama’s foreign policy ineptitude. She told the Egyptian Prime Minister, the Libyan President and her own family in emails that it was a terrorist attack and NOT a protest, as she claimed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skuy9IC_6z8

One hour after the video, Hillary emails to her family, “Two officers were killed in Benghazi by an Al-Qaeda like group”. Less than 24 hours later she emails the Egyptian prime minister, “we know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest”

Those words in bold are Hillary Clinton’s own words in her own email, less that 24 hours after the attack. And yet she, Obama, Jay Carney, and Susan Rice lied to the American people for a week. Obama even gave the story at the U.N. But no, the narrative of Al Qaeda being on the run had to be preserved, what with an election only 56 days away. So they fabricated the story about protests over a “despicable” youtube video.

By the way, the hearings aren’t over yet. Hillary was just one witness. What we learned from the hearing is that Hillary is a liar – albeit a very skilled one. But then, she’s had a lifetime of practice.
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October 27, 2015 11:23am
Brigitte

I was under the impression that Manolo knew his way around a chessboard but wasn’t aware of his nationality.

But he does highlight an interesting conundrum for the Middle East – the very product that keeps their economies afloat is going to cause uninhabitable conditions within their countries. And with low oil prices they won’t have much of a cash buffer to deal with the situation going forward. Will be interesting to see their point of view at the Paris talks (if indeed they are there).
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October 27, 2015 11:34am
Kimbo

@ SPC

The IRB stole our rucking from us, we stole Lions backline play to win anyway.

Hmm. You may, IMHO write total crap when it comes to biblical theology (feel free to take a shot at me over that – seems only fair 🙂 )…but that is about the most brilliant summation of the development of world rugby trends from 1971 onwards
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October 27, 2015 11:40am
dime

Well, Apple can eat shit.

Dime thought he may grab the new version of Apple TV.

$149US.

The NZ Price? $299!!!!!!! What a bunch of pricks.
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October 27, 2015 11:48am
waikatogirl

Kimbo
Umm, almost right. He was Victoria’s brother, but Big John Cannon’s brother, Buck, was the drunkard, not Manolito.
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Thanks for setting that straight Kimbo. Manolito was the eye candy of the show, and also the wise one who managed to solve all the problems Buck and Blue Boy caused. Still stands up today as one of the better westerns, a great programme back then.
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October 27, 2015 11:51am
mikenmild

Imagine two nerds arguing about which would win in a fight: the Enterprise or a Star Destroyer. And then imagine that they were part of groups that had been arguing over these questions for centuries and had exhaustively documented everything. Finally, imagine that some of them considered what they were arguing about to be things that not only actually existed, but were literally more important than life and death (others just enjoy arguing). Madness? This. Is. Theology!
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October 27, 2015 11:52am
dime

“Imagine two nerds arguing about which would win in a fight: the Enterprise or a Star Destroyer”

Star Destroyer. Especially if it was Vaders beast of a thing 🙂
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October 27, 2015 11:53am
Keeping Stock

@ mikenmild (10.19am) – McCaw was sin-binned by Barnes for a cynical act in the match against Argentina. That of course will fuel big bruv’s conspiracy theory as to why Owens and not Barnes is refereeing the final.

But the simple fact is that Owens is the best referee at the tournament, because he allows the players to play the game, unlike Barnes who is pedantic, and looks for reasons to blow his whistle. As a former senior club grade referee, I know from experience that players relate best to a referee who just lets them get on with it and acts as the 31st person on the field, than at “gotcha” merchant like Barnes who leaves everyone in no doubt that he is #1.

And anyone who knows anything about how World Rugby or its predecessor the IRB works will know what a bizarre suggestion bb is making when he says “The fix is in”. World Rugby is UK-centric, and the fact that the final of their showpiece is an Antipodean extravaganza will be pissing them off majorly. If anything was fixed, England would have beaten Wales and Australia, and been playing this weekend.
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October 27, 2015 11:54am
mikenmild

I’m going to go with the Enterprise. Shields up, nothing can touch it.
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October 27, 2015 11:54am
Kimbo

@ waikatogirl

…Manolito was the eye candy of the show…

Umm, it depends which side you are batting for, as I would have chosen Latina beauty Linda Cristal as Victoria:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0188050/

But thanks for the woman’s perspective.

…Still stands up today as one of the better westerns…

Awesome haunting theme tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSdTa-vKQ4
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October 27, 2015 11:56am
mikenmild

More on theology from the experts:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/11/01/iron/
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October 27, 2015 11:58am
Kimbo

@ mikenmild

Imagine two nerds arguing about which would win in a fight: the Enterprise or a Star Destroyer. And then imagine that they were part of groups that had been arguing over these questions for centuries and had exhaustively documented everything. Finally, imagine that some of them considered what they were arguing about to be things that not only actually existed, but were literally more important than life and death (others just enjoy arguing). Madness? This. Is. Theology!
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More on theology from the experts:

He he he. And here was me thinking “fides quaerens intellectum”/faith seeking understanding also summed up left wing politics.

So I take it you’re not a ‘philosophy is the hand-maiden of theology’ kinda guy? 😉
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October 27, 2015 12:05pm
dime

Milky:

http://img04.deviantart.net/2990/i/2014/004/3/3/underestimate_the_darkside_by_kentutkuda-d70royo.jpg
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October 27, 2015 12:05pm
mikenmild

Yet I’ve never seen any evil galactic empire triumph over Starfleet.
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October 27, 2015 12:07pm
Lance

The question is answered here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4
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October 27, 2015 12:12pm
stephieboy

Another great Western Theme so haunting and beautiful – The Alamo ( original )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOdZUHEvIJc
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October 27, 2015 12:20pm
Fletch

Muslims riot in Denmark after one of them gets arrested for shooting a gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSi6dkw0m0M
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October 27, 2015 12:31pm
Longknives

I think my money would be on Darth Vader, he seemed more focused than Captain Kirk- who was always preoccupied shagging hot alien women…
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October 27, 2015 12:35pm
Fletch

Star Wars vs Star Trek –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5yB9Vmd6I
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October 27, 2015 12:38pm
stephieboy

Fletch,

“ One hour after the video, Hillary emails to her family, “Two officers were killed in Benghazi by an Al-Qaeda like group”. Less than 24 hours later she emails the Egyptian prime minister, “we know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest””

Sources please where she actually stated that ?

And this,

Benghazi Biopsy: A Comprehensive Guide to One of America’s Worst Political Outrages
BY KURT EICHENWALD 10/21/15 AT 4:18 PM

“…In fact, no previous assault on a diplomatic outpost has received this kind of relentless expression of congressional outrage. There weren’t investigations that were anything on this scale about the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in 1983 (63 killed), on the U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut in 1984 (24 killed) or on the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen, in 2008 (18 killed). Republicans didn’t believe these exact same scenarios that took place under Republican presidents merited similar zeal to dig down to some unexposed, imaginary “truth.”

In fact, Benghazi was just one of 21 major assaults on an American diplomatic facility in the last 20 years; the personnel murdered there were among about 90 other Americans hired by the government to work in diplomatic outposts who were killed in terrorist attacks from 1998 through 2012, according to a State Department report. Apparently, their killings—like the deaths of thousands of Americans at Pearl Harbor and in the World Trade Center—were seen as less important than murder of four people in a North African country in the midst of a government overthrow. ..”

An explanation is called for by Trey Gowdy and his and fellow Republicans ( you included ) and their obvious political witch hunt and vendetta .

Name me details that Gowdy and others have uncovered that the two bi partisan intelligence and other investigations committees failed to do ?

Disgusting how the lives of four Americans have been used for such blatant political purposes in this ‘ sham ” ( Kevin McCarthy Rep )investigation.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/30/speaker-house-kevin-mccarthy-admits-benghazi-investigation-sham.html
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October 27, 2015 12:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Brigette 11:34

Will be interesting to see their point of view at the Paris talks (if indeed they are there).

Oh, they’ll be there alright….. along with the other 40,000 delegates
http://order-order.com/2015/10/26/paris-climate-summit-blows-e151-million-luxury-accommodation-and-limos/
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October 27, 2015 12:39pm
SPC

Theology is the name of the type of dog walked by philosophers.
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October 27, 2015 12:51pm
SPC

Kimbo, your opinion on matters theological is not that of a humble man. IMHO.
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October 27, 2015 12:53pm
Fletch

“ One hour after the video, Hillary emails to her family, “Two officers were killed in Benghazi by an Al-Qaeda like group”. Less than 24 hours later she emails the Egyptian prime minister, “we know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest””

Sources please where she actually stated that ?

In her own emails. Rep Jim Jordan questions her on it, citing her own emails and she doesn’t deny it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2PLNngNtQc
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October 27, 2015 12:57pm
Gabby

MBIE’s ‘schoolboy antics’ with model sheep

They wanted pigs, but none were available, not even for ready money.
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October 27, 2015 12:58pm
kowtow

Melbourne diversity dividend.

perhaps Heather du Please Whatever could do a story on Johnny Howards’ gun control legislation and how unsuccesful it was……

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/so_many_guns_so_many_violent_people_melbourne_has_changed/
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October 27, 2015 1:16pm
Kimbo

@ SPC

Kimbo, your opinion on matters theological is not that of a humble man. IMHO.

I was going to repeat my previous advise that an open mind is not an end in itself, but rather so we can fill it with something that deserves to be there

…but as I invited you take your shot, fair enough.

However, may I suggest the extensive thread in which I engaged with UglyThruth seeking to understand what he believes…and why

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/09/general_debate_5_september_2015.html#comments

…indicates I’m maybe not as lacking in humility as you may think. But ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick 😉

Put it this way, SPC: When it comes to truth and the journey seeking to discover it, I like to keep an eye on the destination, rather than revelling in the ‘richness of the journey’ and giving equal credence and merit to every possible and potentially crazy fork in the road…which may actually lead away from that destination.

So discarding non-viable options is not always pride, but necessary mental hygiene. Which, I’d suggest, is how most folks live. So why should theology and the objective meaning of a text, biblical or otherwise be any different?
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