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October 1, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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jcuk

I am afraid that I do not believe that Padriv Ustoev moved out of the country recently and made up the whole story of his trip.
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October 1, 2015 4:43pm
Left Right and Centre

TV3 could put on the world cup final and no-one would watch it

Kevin Milne, panel guest on the subject of NZ ratings, 4:45pm today National Radio.
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October 1, 2015 4:54pm
mikenmild

This is hilarious. Rush Limbaugh thinks NASA is lying about water on Mars. Why? He’s not sure, but it could be about global warming:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/29/rush_limbaugh_is_a_mars_truther_nasas_lying_about_flowing_water_on_planet_to_advance_leftist_agenda/
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October 1, 2015 5:16pm
stigie

Keeping Stock and Graham, There is no sense in asking Penny for any answers to questions….
She has been asked many questions before but her refusal makes one wonder if she is genuine !

I believe she is not transparent and possibly corrupt therefore not fit to run for public office !~
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October 1, 2015 5:17pm
nasska

What the Jafas desperately need is a watchdog to keep an eye on the watchdog.

It all gets very complicated!
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October 1, 2015 5:32pm
Jack5

What if these Auckland fat thugs in pseudo-military uniforms pushing women around had been white and the women had been brown?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/72600964/footage-emerges-of-activists-dragging-out-office-employees
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October 1, 2015 5:37pm
stigie

“It all gets very complicated”!

You are not wrong there Nasska ?

http://cdn.3news.co.nz/3news/AM/0-Articles/240742/occupy-pennybright-1200.jpg
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October 1, 2015 5:38pm
Viking2

What we now know is that “senior government ministers”, including the Prime Minister, have over the last few months been willing to agree in principle to extending a kind of co-governance arrangement over many of the country’s lakes and rivers – while we’ve all been busy debating the flag and wondering who would be selected to play for the All Blacks in the Rugby World Cup.

One of the objectives of the Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group (a group representing most of the major iwi in the country) is to ensure that all Crown-owned lake beds and river beds, together with the related “water column, the space through which the water flows” are vested in the relevant hapu or iwi, as has already been agreed by the government for Ngati Tuwharetoa with respect to Lake Taupo. And in the interests of enhancing iwi participation “at all levels of freshwater decision-making”, they want iwi representation on councils, joint management agreements, and Waikato River co-management or similar arrangements. The PowerPoint presentation notes that Ngati Porou are “currently negotiating a Joint Management Agreement” for their rohe aimed at “eventually achieving a s.33 [of the Resource Management Act] transfer of full Council powers by 2020”.

http://www.nzcpr.com/a-dangerous-path/#more-16238
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October 1, 2015 5:44pm
AgentBallSack

[MOD HAT] This general debate is getting a bit general. Please stick to authorised subjects only.
(In case anyone was missing WOBH)
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October 1, 2015 6:03pm
AgentBallSack

Occupy Penny Bright? I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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October 1, 2015 6:06pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ad2jtlfv3mz8k20/Religionutters%2046.jpg?dl=0
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October 1, 2015 6:10pm
MH

Helen Clark has released a statement from the UN.
I can verify there are no starving or deprived children in the UN building. Success at last, she’ll go far that girl.
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October 1, 2015 6:12pm
ex-golfer

Occupation in Auckland office.
John Wanoa has simply posted evidence of assault and it should be used in a court against him and his henchmen.
I note that Wanoa didn’t have the guts to film any of the women being man-handled apart from the small part at the end – but you can clearly hear women in the background telling the thugs to leave them alone.
I hope Tournament Group are insisting that their premises are cleaned out of these scum and damages are sought.
I have no doubt the occupiers will be looting the PC equipment and files.
This shit has to be stopped and stopped now.
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October 1, 2015 6:20pm
nasska

Does anyone know of any remedies for Post Apocalypse Letdown Syndrome? Thanks to EAD’s warnings I was all psyched up, well armed, heaps of baked beans & the nuclear bombshelter up on the snowline of the Tararuas was ready.

Then at dawn this morning I realised that my preparations were for nought….my internet banking still worked & the sun was shining.

I feel let down…..life is so unfair!
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October 1, 2015 6:54pm
dirty harry

The special people can do as they like. If they see something they want they can and will take it.

The Police are spinless idiots awash with PC nambyisim, a complete joke.
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October 1, 2015 6:57pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Thanks to EAD’s warnings I was all psyched up, well armed, heaps of baked beans & the nuclear bombshelter up on the snowline of the Tararuas was ready.

All that effort and nothing to show for it.

No, seeing as you’ve gone to so much trouble, you may as well host a military-style training camp in the ~~Urewera~~ Tararua Ranges.
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October 1, 2015 6:57pm
Manolo

The Queen was warned: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-01/hillary-clinton-aide-cited-danger-of-using-private-e-mail

Clinton’s chief of staff told her they might not want to “telegraph” officials’ usage of private e-mail, apparently as it might attract hacking attempts.
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October 1, 2015 6:59pm
MH

to release repent house energy erect 5 flagpoles on your front lawn, haul up different flags on each and then take to the pole with a Rent a Heke Axe from Mike Smith Enterprises. Cut away from the direction of your dwelling.
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October 1, 2015 7:41pm
Jack5

I didn’t see any NZ university listed in the world top 100 universities as assessed by the Times Higher Education magazine.

The California Institute of Technology (Caltech) was named world leader for the fifth year in succession, but you have to suspect the Times Higher Education was a bit biased towards Britain in ranking Cambridge and Oxford above the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/11896268/Top-100-world-universities-201516-THE-rankings.html
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October 1, 2015 8:15pm
mikenmild

There are several different ranking systems for universities. Auckland is easily the highest ranked NZ university, in the top 100 or top 200 depending on what is being measured.
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October 1, 2015 8:22pm
Longknives

Surely Te Wananga ‘University’ is up there Mikey?
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October 1, 2015 8:26pm
Jack5

Further to my link in my post at 5.37 to the thugs manhandling female and male office staff in what is apparently an Auckland claim, is this link to a Youtube post by a younger person who appears to be a member or associate of the Wananoa family.

Take a glance at it and decide whether law-abiding NZ’ers should tolerate this sort of crap! Does anyone know about these Wananoa people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlS8PZp8zQ
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October 1, 2015 8:26pm
Longknives

The dropkick appears to be filming his deranged rant from jail Jack5- So I’d imagine Her Majesty the Queen is still sleeping soundly..
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October 1, 2015 8:31pm
Jack5

Hell this Wananoa stuff isn’t funny. If these are the folk behind the occupation of the Auckland office as per the link in my 5.37 post, someone in authority better protect Aucklanders now from these crazy fuckers.

Have a look at this (I could last only a few minutes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FeCYGfBc5A
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October 1, 2015 8:38pm
Nostradamus

Jack5:

I’ve never heard of the Wananoa family. No doubt, if they weren’t already on the GCSB monitoring list, they’ve been added to it.

The occupation started on Monday. Here we are on Thursday and the Police assure us that they’re “following several positive lines of inquiry in relation to identifying and locating those involved”. The people involved can easily be identified and located – they’re occuping the building for goodness sake!

Someone made this suggestion on Monday:

UrbanNeocolonialist (593 comments) says:
September 28th, 2015 at 6:43 pm

Nostradamus: They’ve assaulted people, and are trespassing, possibly doing damage to property. They’re in a confined space well away from public so tear gas seems the quick and easy option.

The fact that they’re in a confined space well away from the public makes it hard to understand why the police are taking so long.
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October 1, 2015 8:45pm
Jack5

Nostradamus, if the occupation was associated with this guy Wanannoa as in the September video recording he has posted on Youtube and I linked to at 8.38, then the Auckland office occupation is more like an office invasion by a people who have broken out of an asylum, rather than the peaceful occupation that typifies Maori land protests.

After listening to a few minutes of the second video I linked to, I described the guys merely as crazy. I listened to a few more minutes and changed my mind. They are as crazy as bat shit.

They are definitely not the sort of people to be taken lightly when they charge into an office and evict everyone.

Thanks for the link to the post I missed yesterday. UrbanNeocolonialist wasn’t far off the mark when he advocated the use of tear gas. Butterfly nets and sedative injections would be a good follow-up.
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October 1, 2015 8:52pm
nasska

….”The fact that they’re in a confined space well away from the public makes it hard to understand why the police are taking so long”….

But these care not just ordinary thugs Nostra. They’re special thugs suffering from post colonial stress & must be treated in a special way.

And tear gas is out. The latest rewrite of the Treaty of Waitangi says it can’t be used against the Tangata Whenua.
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October 1, 2015 8:56pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

The latest rewrite of the Treaty of Waitangi

There’s no such thing – UglyTruth said so!

Still, if tear gas is out, then we have Jack’s suggestion of butterfly nets and sedative injections.
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October 1, 2015 8:58pm
nasska

….”then we have Jack’s suggestion of butterfly nets and sedative injections”…..

Well, okay. But make sure that they’re used in a culturally sensitive way.
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October 1, 2015 9:02pm
mikenmild

The delay in action against this is due to an ongoing debate about whether to send in the Special Tactics Group or some nurses with straight jackets.
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October 1, 2015 9:03pm
SGA

Jack5 at 8:15 pm

I didn’t see any NZ university listed in the world top 100 universities as assessed by the Times Higher Education magazine.

I’m not sure what to make of this. On one hand, our universities should aspire to be world class. On the other hand, just how many universities are there in the running (e.g., USA, UK, Japan, France, Germany, Israel, Canada, Australia, China, Korea, and so on and so on)? The university system in just California alone would dwarf what we have in NZ. I’m not sure what is a reasonable expectation given our size, research funding opportunities, salaries (it’s a international market).
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October 1, 2015 9:04pm
Nostradamus

Perhaps they could ask Dennis Horne to use his flying machine to carry out a special bombing mission? No butterfly nets required…
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October 1, 2015 9:05pm
SGA

Nostradamus at 8:45 pm

The fact that they’re in a confined space well away from the public makes it hard to understand why the police are taking so long.

The fact that they’re in a confined space well away from the public also means that there’s little reason to rush, perhaps?
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October 1, 2015 9:07pm
Jack5

What has happened to Dennis Horne? Has he gone into seclusion to compile and flesh out his: Complete Poems of Dennis Horne?
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October 1, 2015 9:08pm
SGA

Jack5 at 9:08 pm

What has happened to Dennis Horne? Has he gone into seclusion to compile and flesh out his: Complete Poems of Dennis Horne?

lol – reminds me of an old book I have called something like “The Complete Works of William Shakespeare and Monty Python. Vol. 1: Monty Python”.
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October 1, 2015 9:13pm
SGA

Nostradamus at 9:05 pm

Perhaps they could ask Dennis Horne to use his flying machine to carry out a special bombing mission? No butterfly nets required…

Dennis “divine wind” Horne, perhaps?
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October 1, 2015 9:17pm
Jack5

SGA: are you at 9.17 suggesting a kamikaze attack by Dennis H., or do you think one of his beach landings would do the trick?
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October 1, 2015 9:38pm
SGA

Jack5 at 9:38 pm

SGA: are you at 9.17 suggesting a kamikaze attack by Dennis H., or do you think one of his beach landings would do the trick?

To give credit where it is due, Dennis seems to have made a damn good job of his emergency landing on that beach. His beach take offs, on the other hand …
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October 1, 2015 9:43pm
Gabby

simply posted evidence of assault and it should be used in a court against him and his henchmen

That won’t be sufficient for the NZ Police. Well not if there’s a cop’s kid involved.
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