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October 17, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Maggy Wassilieff

No matter what evidence is presented you will ignore it if it does not fit your pre conceived idea.

I have presented evidence to show why the AMS survey is crapology.

The Cook study is a disgrace. Anyone can check this for themselves. Numerous commenters have brought this to your attention.

Telling me I have mental problems and abusing me are examples of ad hominen attacks that have no place in scientific work.

The validity of a scientific theory is judged by its predictive and explanatory powers; it is independent of any popular consensus.

If you really want to know what my ideas of science are, I suggest you start with studying Richard Feynman’s talk on Cargo Cult Sciences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvfAtIJbatg

or if you want a basic version of 6 simple rules for how to conduct scientific research, check out the final section of this report on the costly battle involved with global warming
http://www.scmsa.eu/archives/SCM_RC_2015_08_24_EN.pdf
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October 17, 2015 5:03pm
nasska

….”Anyone else open to fighting the good fight?”…..

If the moonbats fronting as the parliamentary Green Party are the answer it was a bloody stupid question to start with.
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October 17, 2015 5:16pm
blazeoflight

Oh, they all have them.

Nats have Maggie Barry, Paul Goldsmith and that fellow in view when Bill English speaks in parliament, the one who gets that retarded look over his mug when his hero opens his mouth…
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October 17, 2015 5:22pm
Manolo

Is blazeoflight Aussie comrade Norman in disguise?
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October 17, 2015 5:33pm
Griff

Whatever Maggy

Telling me I have mental problems and abusing me are examples of ad hominen attacks that have no place in scientific work

Oh dear concern trolling yet again when caught out with bullshit.
Wackos will be whackos
😆
http://www.scmsa.eu/archives/SCM_RC_2015_08_24_EN.pdf
I read the first couple of pages but it soon decayed into blatant stupidity so beloved of wingnuts and fuckwits
like the conspiracy to alter the temperatures.
Nassa, japan met, BEST, naoh, east Anglia U, uk met, etc all in a global conspiracy.
😆 loony tune talk
As pointed out the temperatures are processed to make them as accurate as possible all right.
The net result of all those adjustments?
To lower global warming.
Now why would they do that ?
Because they are trying to get it as accurate as possible not fit it into some grand plan of world domination.

All the data is there easily found if you tried rather than reading denial sites.
All the methods are published in the literature and repeatable .
There is no global conspiracy among the worlds scientific bodies.
Consensus means that no one is disputing global warming they are now refining the details because it is now accepted science like evolution is.

The conclusion of Your missive is called the Galileo gambit.
it ignores the progression that climate science has gone though over the last fifty years to arrive at it conclusions
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Galileo_gambit
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October 17, 2015 5:35pm
Awww C-mon

Nah comrade Norman wouldn’t like a handle like that, it sounds like the start of a forest fire which could hurt mother Gaia,

Besides he had 1/2 a brain…. 55% on his good days.
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October 17, 2015 5:37pm
Gulag1917

Conned again
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-12/verrender-weve-been-sold-out-by-the-tpp-sham/6845348
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October 17, 2015 6:02pm
starboard

Big day discussing gloBULL warming gwiff , what ya got planned for tonight , bit of glory hole cruising ?
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October 17, 2015 6:41pm
Awww C-mon

Rodders Hide has been banging on about limiting politicians to 4 terms, points to Goof as proof that career politicians are a complete waste of space which is hard to argue,

Our good mate mentioned previously and described by one grumpy shite as only having half a brain I think is actually a prime example of how this idea of Rodney’s is a good one. Aussie Wussell showed up, had a crack and then pulled stumps in an orderly fashion leaving room for another complete knob to run the gweens.

Rodney himself, although in truely comedic fashion and with several knives in his back managed to exit at a good time and eventually get replaced by a couple of promising troughers…

Be interested in a list of those ego we could be done with this coming election with this law in place….
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October 17, 2015 6:49pm
Griff

Projection storyboard? how typical of a nut.

You really should go out and do it rather than talking about bumfoolery every day of your life.

For me
Quite night at home with me , the dogs, and a few bourbon and cokes.
Not even any dope.
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October 17, 2015 6:49pm
Awww C-mon

Looking for company Starfreak?
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October 17, 2015 6:50pm
starboard

Ya could always get scottchris around for company..bag of laughs that would be , he likes talking about male genitalia.
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October 17, 2015 6:53pm
mikenmild

It seems to be you with those fixations at the moment, starboard. Perhaps a quick trip out to Hagley Park tonight to relieve your obsession?
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October 17, 2015 6:57pm
Awww C-mon

So Starfreak strolls into the room, mentions glory holes and blokes bits while griff is admitting to a few bourbons and a quiet evening, who exactly as the issues with homo erotic tendencies??
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October 17, 2015 6:59pm
Griff

I dont need company starboard.
I am quite content in my own reading the web and working on rebuilding the boat trailer ready for the fishing season thanks.
Yet again out comes the obsession with bum sex
Give us a rest and go do it rather than obsessing about poop shoot plugging every single day of your sad little existence
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October 17, 2015 7:00pm
Awww C-mon

Snap MM, only I forgot to add Hagley park!!!
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October 17, 2015 7:00pm
Awww C-mon

Favourite species to target Griff ??
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October 17, 2015 7:01pm
starboard

scottchris dory
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October 17, 2015 7:03pm
Griff

Snapper.
Just go a couple of hundred meters of the beach now days if I am not away on the wind bludger.
Used to be mad keen game fishing but its not worth the wear on my old body and cost.
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October 17, 2015 7:04pm
starboard

good one MM , the hagley park jokes as old as ya mama who incidentally, just left my place.

Aww cmon , ya not getting any traction here, best you slime back to the strandard.

I’ll let you felches bond..ciao.
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October 17, 2015 7:05pm
Awww C-mon

I’m cranking up for a decent crack at the game fish this summer, hit it hard, grab one bill fish and retire…

So most likely still be trying in 2025!!!
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October 17, 2015 7:06pm
Awww C-mon

Oh bye Starfreak, we will miss your insightful and witty retorts!!
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October 17, 2015 7:07pm
Griff

Were are you heading to fish?
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October 17, 2015 7:09pm
Awww C-mon

Day or two out of Fiji this summer but mostly BOP in late summer, plan is snaffle one from my boat.
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October 17, 2015 7:12pm
Griff

Always better if you do it your self than paying someone to be a winch handle.
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October 17, 2015 7:18pm
Awww C-mon

Yeah, and it’s a tag team. I want to leader one and my bro wants to catch one so we will have a crack at losing one together!!
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October 17, 2015 7:21pm
stigie

“Were are you heading to fish”?

There’s a wee pond in the south west corner of Hagley Starbored with carp in it….

Dad will be along shortly when it gets dark for your pleasure !~
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October 17, 2015 7:22pm
big bruv

I urge all Kiwiblog fans to use Bunnings if you need any DIY stuff. After watching the union scum stop the public from entering one of their stores I have decided that from now Bunnings will be getting all of my business.
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October 17, 2015 7:29pm
mikenmild

I don’t like Bunnings.
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October 17, 2015 7:31pm
nasska

Its all fun and games until someone peeks in a glory hole and loses an eye.
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October 17, 2015 7:39pm
Awww C-mon

My thoughts exactly BB

Minimum 17:50 an hour, 4% wage increases across the board and 4-6 weeks notice of shift changes as the fuckers still moan
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October 17, 2015 8:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I don’t like Bunnings

I love Bunnings.
Always received excellent service and good advice at Bunnings Lyall Bay

Bunnings, Gisborne is our 2nd home… Fabulous staff.
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October 17, 2015 8:16pm
nasska

Awww C-mon

I think you might find some of the opposition is over split shifts. An employee might get eight hours work but it could be 7.30am to 10.30am & another five hours starting at 3.0pm.

Hours like that are hard to work child care or a social life around.
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October 17, 2015 8:19pm
waikatogirl

BB
I urge all Kiwiblog fans to use Bunnings if you need any DIY stuff. After watching the union scum stop the public from entering one of their stores I have decided that from now Bunnings will be getting all of my business.
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Wasn’t that a disgusting display of the Unite Union physically preventing shoppers from lawfully entering Bunnings!!!
Where we’re the police to prevent assault of the public by this union rabble???

Imagine Bunnings (employer) asking employees to work during busy shopping periods!
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October 17, 2015 8:26pm
Awww C-mon

Cry me a river Nasska.

I’ve done split shifts, nights shifts, public holidays, worked 7 days a week

It’s about feeding your family and moving step by step to where you want to be
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October 17, 2015 8:35pm
nasska

….”I’ve done split shifts, nights shifts, public holidays, worked 7 days a week”….

I’m a self employed cockie AwwwC-mon…..been there, done that & I’m still doing it.

For all that, I’ve got no problem seeing why workers wouldn’t be in a hurry to sign up to those conditions.
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October 17, 2015 8:41pm
Awww C-mon

Then don’t sign up for retail! You don’t want milk on Christmas Day and at 5am in the rain and sleet don’t pull tits.

But if you are in those industries and you want better wages and it conditions, work hard and add value to your employer. Communicate and negotiate.

Standing on corner with a sign saying toot for me because I’m a fuckwit won’t get you shit. Behaviour like that seen today will get you even less
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October 17, 2015 9:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Extraterrestrials do not offer enough sexual thrills for leading astronomer, it appears
http://www.nature.com/news/berkeley-astronomer-in-sexual-harassment-case-to-resign-1.18582?WT.mc_id=SFB_NNEWS_1508_RHBox
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October 17, 2015 9:20pm
Awww C-mon

Crap, was flicking through a few pages and managed to report myself !!! Sausage fingers

Sorry DPF
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October 17, 2015 9:47pm
Fletch

I had to wonder at the Bunnings protestors chaining themselves and claiming they couldn’t find the keys to the padlocks (as per the news video). The cops were in a hardware store, for crying out loud! Just grab some bolt cutters from the rack and chop the chain.
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October 17, 2015 10:12pm
cha

I suppose Americans need their second amendment rights with all these armed toddlers running around the shop shooting people.

http://www.adn.com/article/20151014/people-are-getting-shot-toddlers-us-weekly-basis-year

http://forward.com/opinion/176043/more-killed-by-toddlers-than-terrorists-in-us/
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October 17, 2015 10:34pm
cha

Catholic wingnut says no fucking for fun.

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“Planned Parenthood from the top to the bottom is a corrupt organization… corrupt in its view of the sanctity of life and corrupt in its view of human sexuality. I say even if Planned Parenthood didn’t perform one single abortion, just the mere fact that its sexual ethic is corrupted means right there, should be the reason right there, that they should not receive any federal money. The kind of sexual ethic that Planned Parenthood promotes is sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.”

– Dr. Monica Miller (Citizens for a Pro-Life Society)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CReaY4AUYAEyuwo.jpg
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October 17, 2015 10:58pm
Griff

Maggy is mental
The question is what do climate scince say about global warming
cook et al say 97% of the literature and 97& of the climate scientists say it is mostly caused by humans.
Fletch brought up a survey to dispute this
I pointed out the survey confirms the 97% of climate scientists.
yet dr Maggy Wassilieff PHD says
1:58 pm

If you read along line 1 of Table 1 in that report, you will find the % of AMS respondents who think humans are most responsible for global warming is 52. That is the % Fletch quoted.

You then conflate the point he is making by considering a smaller subset of AMS members.
Fletch has not been dishonest; he has accurately reported what is in this paper.

This is incorrectly reading the paper The conclusion of the AMS survey is of the actual experts, publishing climate scientists. 93% support man is responsible for most of the warming since 1865. This is the same as cook et al found when surveying the literature and publishing climate scientists.

She then claims the survey is rubbish because not enough responded.
and tells me I should listen when people tell we cook et al is wrong.

93% of actively publishing climate scientists indicated they are convinced that humans have contributed to global warming. Our findings also revealed that majorities of experts view human activity as the primary cause of recent climate change: 78% of climate experts actively publishing on climate change, 73% of all people actively publishing on climate change, and 62% of active publishers who mostly do not publish on climate change.

This question was for the last 150 years the authors commented.

that our estimates of consensus may be conservative, given that (due to an oversight) we asked about the past 150 years of global warming, rather than the past 50 or so years (the period commonly studied for signs of human causation). Several respondents emailed to suggest their answer would have been different if we had asked about the last 50 years.

The proof that cook et al is wrong is first based in misreading a survey.
When you finally get them to read it correctly and find it supports cook et al then the survey is wrong.

The only thing wrong is Maggys thinking.

fketch doesn’t have the ability to understand what he posted any way he just found it on WUWT
Dr Maggy does have the ability.
She just will not accept the realty of climate change This is a recognized mental problem .
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October 18, 2015 12:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

No Griff I am not mental.

Fletch at 11:44 reported the 52% of AMS respondents supporting human cause of global warming correctly.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/11/20/the-latest-meteorologist-survey-destroys-the-global-warming-climate-consensus/

Now lets look at those actual “experts”. If you go to the preliminary report on this paper you discover that the so-called expert population includes undergraduates, non-research people, NGO-types.
http://www.climatechangecommunication.org/images/files/AMS_CICCC_Survey_Preliminary_Findings-Final.pdf

On page 4 of this report you will find the disclaimer sentence: “The extent to which the findings reported here represent the views of all AMS Members is therefore unknown.” ( Since only about a quarter of the membership bothered to respond.)

I have already posted why consensus has no part to play in Scientific research.
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October 18, 2015 7:47am
Manolo

In the end he will decline and say no: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/17/politics/joe-biden-president-2016-firefighters/index.html
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October 18, 2015 7:55am
Griff

No Griff I am not mental.

Points to a section of the survey that is not on climate science or climate scientists to dispute climate science and climate scientists
Ignores yet again that the survey does have a section on climate science and climate scientists.This section supports the consensus.

gee why is that ?
its called cognitive bias

A cognitive bias refers to a systematic pattern of deviation from norm or rationality in judgment, whereby inferences about other people and situations may be drawn in an illogical fashion. Individuals create their own “subjective social reality” from their perception of the input.

Repeats a lie in other words because the truth would give her cognitive dissonance .
Due to a recognized mental problem .
Denial.
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