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Sofia

Penny Bright – confirmed Auckland Mayoral candidate 2016

Andrew Little echoes Robertson’s contention that a government he leads can simply legislate around irksome elements of the TPP – an unconscionable policy position for a serious political party. No trade deal, nor international treaty of any kind, would be worth the paper it’s written on if signatories opted out of unfavourable clauses on the grounds of national interest.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11529206

A solution to the TPP, which Penny protests against, by the party she urged people to vote for last Election.

Surely, in her wisdom and with her considered personal opinions, she is a fine candidate to be Mayor of Auckland, to hold rate payers’ earnings in proper stewardship and see them spent wisely.
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October 16, 2015 8:01am
Manolo

Opposing Merkel: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/15/angela-merkel-rejects-criticism-open-door-refugee-policy-germany

Horst Seehofer, the head of Merkel’s Christian Democrats’ sister party, the Christian Social Union, who in recent weeks has become her fiercest critic, hit out at the chancellor again. He accused her of risking German and European stability by continuing with her policy of keeping the country open to refugees, even though they continue to arrive at a rate of thousands a day.

“Without restrictions on immigration, Germany and all of Europe will collapse spectacularly,” he told an audience in Munich, repeating his claim that the government had no specific plan to deal with the crisis, and that Merkel had lost control.
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October 16, 2015 8:02am
Paulus Gnome

Cunliffe, remember him? The soon to be available divorcee from the doer upper in Herne Bay, the co founder of Fonterra? Him. Stood up yesterday in the house and claimed that the bow tied bouffanted buffoon was only the final ball carrier in getting the ten year passport bill across the line.

Claimed it was labour who first mooted the idea, making it a labour manifesto commitment so that in reality the passport bill is a bi-partisan effort across the floor bill (for which they get to claim the credit)

This may be true, paying avid attention to labour party promises, commitments and ‘bottom lines’ is not one of my strong suites

It appears to me, to be a shallow end attempt to show that labour can work across the floor while not actually doing so; a cynical and poorly disguised attempt to draw attention from the complete balls up labour is making, and continues with the hole digging, over the TPPA.

I love it when those losers squirm and wiggle, completely useless as politicians, a party and opposition; long may they endure. Pass the popcorn for me and a dead rat for them over there, entertainment for all!

Almost as good as the bow tied buffonted buffoon tearing gobby Guyon a new one just prior to 0800 on rabid radio regarding medicinal marijuana; even I have to tip my hat to the way Dunne presented the argument and handled the spitty interrupting monkey parading as the interviewer.
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October 16, 2015 8:05am
Albert_Ross

Letter written to and printed by “The Wellingtonian”, apparently in all seriousness:

In the present period the planets are closer to the Earth than usual. Planets are warmer than the Earth and this has an impact on the Earth. This is one cause of global warming.

I would truly love to know the origin of this one. Somebody must surely be having a laugh somewhere. Or is it some kind of weird social experiment?
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October 16, 2015 8:06am
kowtow

Interesting how TV3 are trying to set an agenda over the “kiwi” criminals’ rights in Oz and frame the upcoming meeting between the 2 PMs in those terms.

I don’t care about crims’ supposed rights. And I don’t care for TV3 trying to set the agenda between govts.

They’re also trying to be very concerned about so called Palestinians who are on an anti Jewish rampage at the moment and seem to think self defence by Israel is not an option.

Fuck ’em.
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October 16, 2015 8:09am
Manolo

Time is running out for comrade ~~Angry Andy~~ Corbyn: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11933685/Jeremy-Corbyn-is-incompetent-and-has-lost-control-shadow-minister-says.html

Senior members of Jeremy Corbyn’s own team say he has “lost control” over his own party and it is only a matter of time before he suffers his first resignation from the shadow cabinet.

One of the shadow ministers given permission to miss said that Mr Corbyn’s handling of the party has been “incompetent”.
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October 16, 2015 8:09am
Orleans23

Yeah so this captioning debate, who should be responsible for putting captions on live shows including RWC? sKy using their profit or the government?
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October 16, 2015 8:12am
Scott Chris

Here’s an article written specially for Big Bruv and Longknives:

Pound for pound, the All Blacks are going to put a better team on the park than France. It won’t matter who the French pick

Can’t say I disagree. Looks a very strong team to me and importantly Dan Carter is playing his best footy in years. I’d be very surprised if the ABs don’t win this game, even more so than in 2007.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11529812
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October 16, 2015 8:13am
ciaron

Morning Kiwibloggers!

Can anyone recommend some trustworthy, preferably free alternative to MS Word and Excel?
Having shelled out for a new computer, I’m more than a little disappointed to have to pay a monthly fee for Office 365…
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October 16, 2015 8:23am
macdee

KO for Dunne over the obnoxious Esponer, transcript should be put up in full on Red Radio home page, Esponer now in need of heavy dose of medicinal marijuana, will the newly recruited JC be rushed in as super sub to replace him
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October 16, 2015 8:25am
G152

Libre Office.
Free and does everything MS Office does
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October 16, 2015 8:27am
peterwn

A spat between an company-share apartment ‘owner’ and the board of the company who owns the building was front page news in the DomPost yesterday complete with a picture of the owner and his cute little dog which is allegedly there illegally.

There seem to be two issues – the primary issue seems to be that the owner is battling a proposal to replace windows, and the secondary issue is the dog which probably no one cared about until the ‘windows’ issue arose.

The owner seemed to have purchased the apartment (or rather the shares) in ignorance of the pending windows replacement and no pets rule and admitted he was unaware of these things when he purchased as he was not used to the idea that there could be such rules governing ownership of company share apartments.

The moral here is check up on things before purchasing company share, unit title or cross leased properties. Hopefully your solicitor should point out the implications at the time you put in an offer. The Board or Body Corporate should be able to provide you with all the information including the last two years minutes (via the vendor) and you should become au fait with the rules, conditions and potential maintenance issues.

I heard an owner in another company share building complaining about a condition prohibiting renting out the unit. Very simply, if you think you might want to rent out, and it is forbidden then look for an apartment elsewhere.

Do the homework before making an offer!
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October 16, 2015 8:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

@ciaron

The geeks in the family installed OpenOffice on my Mac
The husband uses it on his PC.

I think its now ApacheOpen Office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org
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October 16, 2015 8:29am
alloytoo

Open office.
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October 16, 2015 8:30am
Longknives

Scott Chris- Is that the same Herald who labelled the 2007 World Cup side the “Greatest All Black side ever”? and who predicted that the pampered,reconditioned All Blacks of that year would “Win the World Cup without having to leave 2nd gear”??

Here’s a thought for All Black fans and media- How about waiting until the Tournament is over before you start thumping your chests and calling your team the ‘Greatest Ever’??

I have no idea what will happen in the Quarter Final- The French are simply too bloody unpredictable..

One thing I do know though- The All Blacks and their fans are just dripping with arrogance this campaign, I even think they are a bigger pack of Prima Donnas than the 2007 outfit! (and that squad included Ali Williams- surely the most obnoxious,arrogant moron ever to represent New Zealand?)
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October 16, 2015 8:34am
mandk

@ Albert Ross

Did the writer have an Aro Valley address?

I understand they grow some seriously good shit up that way.
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October 16, 2015 8:35am
ciaron

Thanks guys (and girls)! 🙂
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October 16, 2015 8:39am
Griff

Mandk
For that level of ignorant stupidity he was probably drunk.
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October 16, 2015 8:39am
Than

ciaron, I’ll second the recommendation for Libre Office. Does 90% of what MS Office does, free, and its able to load/save MS Office file formats.
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October 16, 2015 8:41am
holysheet

Todays meeting between JK and Turnbull will go something like this

JK “Mal buddy, we here in NZ are a little concerned about your putting your ex crims into these detention camps while you wait to deport them back here”

Mal ” yeah I hear you john, but they are crims and we don’t want them here. How bout we say you brought the subject up and we agreed that it was outside your brief to get anything done.”

JK “Look Mal, I personally don’t give a shit about the plight of ex crims but being in the political spotlight on this means I have to be seen doing something”

Mal “What say we form a joint task force between our to countries, let the officials take a year to come to a decision we both can agree on. By then the heat would have gone and I will have won my next election”

JK “sounds good to me”

Mal “By the way John, I think you are heading for hiding with you flag change thingy you are pushing. Why not call it quits and admit you got this one wrong?”

JK “nah cant do that now, even though I want to, the opposition would have a field day with this if I admitted I am wrong”
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October 16, 2015 8:47am
Paulus

Where is the faux Maori Green Deputy Tubby ?
Not in Parliament any more – her Alma Mater is soon to give his farewell to take over Greenpeace – no doubt he will be better paid there in addition with a full MPs pension attached.
Good to see a bit slimmer Genter sitting in the Deputy seat – better looking, but somewhat cookie in her thoughts – but that is why she is a Greeny – a dreamer of Gaia.
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October 16, 2015 8:50am
Kimbo

@ Longknives & Scott Chris

Is that the same Herald who labelled the 2007 World Cup side the “Greatest All Black side ever”?

Yep, that’d be the one. And courtesy of the late John Drake, they also predicted, after we beat England in 1999 in pool play that our transition through to the final that year was “guaranteed”…and again, Drake wrote in 2003 there was “no way” we would fail to beat Australia in the semi-final.

An historical footnote: When they were first selected and lost a game against local opposition before leaving for Europe, both the 1905 Originals and the 1924-25 Invincibles were dubbed “the worst All Black team ever” by local critics…whereas the 1949 team to South Africa, even without Maori, was labelled the “greatest ever”…and they then proceeded to lose all four tests courtesy of ‘Okey’ Geffin, Hennie Muller and the scheming of Dr Danie Craven.

But as per the old joke, the greatest rugby team to ever leave New Zealand was…the 1937 Springboks.

Just saying…
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October 16, 2015 8:52am
Nookin

Longknives

Can you identify any single incident involving a current All Black that indicates arrogance even beyond the level of the most obnoxious,arrogant moron ever to represent New Zealand?
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October 16, 2015 8:53am
waikatogirl

Judith Collins and Phil Goff announced on Paul Henry this morning that they both plan to vote for euthanasia bill, as long as there is protection safe guards in place.
Thank you in advance.
– agreeing with Goff sticks in my craw, but then he is agreeing with me 🙂
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October 16, 2015 8:57am
Hugh Pavletich

HOUSING AFFORDABILITY: AUCKLAND COUNCIL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ADOPTS ‘5 BY 2030’ TARGET

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/10/asx-at-the-close-539/

Decision digest | Auckland Development Committee | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1510/S00362/decision-digest-auckland-development-committee.htm

… extract …

Item 13: Housing Supply, Choice and Affordability: Trends, Economic Drivers and Possible Policy Interventions
Chris Parker, Chief Economist for Auckland Council, spoke to the committee on his recently completed report Housing supply, choice and affordability; Trends, economic drivers, and possible policy interventions, which was publicly released on Wednesday 30 September 2015.

The report identifies a range of levers on both the supply and demand side that could be considered to address the housing affordability problem in Auckland.

Following a recommendation in the report, the committee decided to endorse a target of bringing down the ratio of median home purchase price-to-median household income to five to one by 2030. The ratio is currently nine-to-one.

It also agreed in principle to include the target in the forthcoming refresh of the Auckland Plan and noted that the council needs to continue to work in partnership with the Government if this housing affordability target is to be met.

Mr Parker says including this target in the Auckland Plan is a really positive step towards making housing more affordable. “It will help shape and focus our thinking moving forward. It will provide us with a tangible, achievable goal to frame up the decisions the council needs to make to create the world’s most liveable city including affordable housing”, says Mr Parker.

The committee also requested that the council progress the next stage of the Auckland’s housing affordability work by undertaking further analysis and advice on the issue of housing affordability in consultation with Government agencies, to be completed in February 2016.

The Chief Economist’s housing affordability report was commissioned by Mayor Len Brown and Deputy Mayor Penny Hulse. It is an independent economic think piece and is not council policy. However, it will help inform the council’s ongoing strategy for action and advocacy. It is available on council’s website.

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/businessandeconomy/Pages/chiefeconomistpublications.aspx
… Further allied and relevant information on MacroBusiness Australia article comments thread for texture …

Could we poach Graeme Wheeler for RBA head ? … MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/10/can-we-poach-graeme-wheeler-for-rba-head/
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October 16, 2015 9:01am
Griff

Has anyone seen a estimate of how a conscience vote would go on the euthanasia bill by MP?
There does seem to be a clear majority support on kb.
Despite the number of RelgioConservatives on here.
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October 16, 2015 9:03am
billmurray

I am a strong supporter of David Seymour’s euthanasia bill, I hope our parliament gets in and supports it.
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October 16, 2015 9:04am
Manolo

…Ali Williams- surely the most obnoxious, arrogant moron ever to represent New Zealand?

I agree.
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October 16, 2015 9:06am
SGA

Than at 8:41 am

[LibreOffice] Does 90% of what MS Office does, free, and its able to load/save MS Office file formats.

That’s more accurate than saying it does everything, as someone else said earlier. It’s been a few years since I played with it, but back then if you required more sophisticated Excel features, then LibreOffice can be a little limited. If you need a fairly basic substitute for Word/Excel it is fine.
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October 16, 2015 9:09am
Lucia Maria

MAP: Russian airstrikes in Syria are helping ISIS and Assad

ISIS is benefiting from Russia’s strikes on the Syrian opposition. On October 9, ISIS advanced 10 kilometers against rebels in northeastern Aleppo, the largest advance by ISIS in the province since August 2015. ISIS continued to conduct probing attacks against rebels northeast of Aleppo City from October 10-14.
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October 16, 2015 9:14am
kowtow

manolo

Opposing Merkel.

The German state does not like the way its citizens are responding to Merkels’ lunacy.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/deep-concern-over-return-of-anti-muslim-pegida-protests-a-1057645.html
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October 16, 2015 9:16am
SGA

Griff at 9:03 am

Has anyone seen a estimate of how a conscience vote would go on the euthanasia bill by MP?

Without knowing the final wording of such a bill, I would imagine that it would be too early to say. The more limited it is, then the more support it would be likely to get. That is, I’d expect something more like the Death with Dignity laws in some US states to be better supported than some of the European-style euthanasia laws. That’s my guess anyway.
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October 16, 2015 9:16am
Longknives

Kimbo- The best All Black teams I have seen in my short lifetime were the ’87-88 sides (World Cup winners/Unbeaten Run) and the ’95-96 sides (World Cup finalists/Historic win over Boks)
I’m only a young buck (at 40) but those were the two All Black sides that really impressed me- Strangely I don’t remember either of them being touted as ‘The Best Ever’ or ‘Invincible’! I wonder if this media hysteria is something of a modern phenomenon? Seemingly every bloody year now we hear that the All Blacks are the ‘best side ever’etc..
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October 16, 2015 9:19am
Griff

SGA
The proposal is more like the usa than the European model.
The bill End of Life Choice Bill draft for consultation is here.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/eolc/pages/37/attachments/original/1444699434/End_of_Life_Choice_Bill_FINAL.pdf?1444699434
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October 16, 2015 9:26am
mikenmild

Longknives
Personally, the Grand Slam team of 1978 remains my favourite. Wish we still had those long tours.
I don’t think you should take the hype of random journalists about ‘best ever’ or ‘invincibles’ too seriously.
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October 16, 2015 9:26am
mandk

@ Griff

re. Aro Valley
It’s probably neither drink nor drugs.
If you venture too far up Holloway Road it gets to be a bit like the banjo scene in Deliverance.
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October 16, 2015 9:27am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Article written by Wynne’s bum-boy, Gregor! Surprise, surprise!!
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October 16, 2015 9:29am
SGA

@Griff
I’m referring more to what such a bill would look like after it’s been through after it’s been through the “process”.
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October 16, 2015 9:32am
Odakyu-sen

kowtow,

“The German state does not like the way its citizens are responding to Merkels’ lunacy.”

You have to ask yourself what the advantage to the State is of having a potential source of disruption in German society.
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October 16, 2015 9:32am
Griff

KB’s support may be due to the number of national supporters on here.
Here is the DPF’s curia poll on Euthanasia
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/eolc/pages/43/attachments/original/1444711163/Assisted_Dying_2015_Poll_Results.pdf?1444711163

National supporters only
Euthanasia
Strongly oppose 12%
Somewhat oppose6%
Neutral10%
Somewhat support30%
Strongly support39%
Unsure1%
Refuse2%
Total
1169
100%
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October 16, 2015 9:39am
Fletch

Well, it looks as though this “deal” that Obama and Western nations have claimed to have passed with Iran is nothing of the sort. Iran didn’t actually agree to it and, in fact, have written their own which includes an end to sanctions in Tehran, and dismantling of Israels nuclear weapons programme.

The Iranian parliament has rejected the formal, legal text of President Barack Obama’s nuclear deal, negotiated in July by the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Russia, China and the Tehran regime.

Instead, the majilis approved their own version of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), creating a situation where the Iranian government simply hasn’t signed on to the accord that Obama and Democratic Senators obligated the United States to uphold.

Western media incorrectly reported that the majilis approved the actual text of the JCPOA, according to experts.

New York Post columnist Amir Taheri has explained in a series of social media posts that Iran’s version of the deal calls for the cancellation of sanctions against the regime in Tehran.

He also noted that Iran’s version of the nuke deal calls for the dismantling of Israel’s nuclear weapons program, citing Iranian parliamentarian Kazem Jalali.

The Middle East Media Research Center (MEMRI), a regional watchdog organization, has confirmed that Iran did not pass the deal agreed upon in July. They instead voted to pass the amended version by a vote of 161-59.

Iranian lawmakers tried to unilaterally amend the deal to strip the United States’ ability to “snapback” sanctions should the Tehran regime cheat the agreement. They also replaced the language to ensure that the deal will “cancel” sanctions forever, instead of “suspending” them, MEMRI reported.

MORE – http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/10/13/iran-rejects-obamas-iran-nuke-treaty-writes-deal-disarm-israel/

Once again – there is no deal.
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October 16, 2015 9:40am
Andrei

Lucia Maria – that is a planted story from a Washington Think Tank (i.e. American Government Propaganda), nothing more
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October 16, 2015 9:42am
dime

“Can anyone recommend some trustworthy, preferably free alternative to MS Word and Excel?
Having shelled out for a new computer, I’m more than a little disappointed to have to pay a monthly fee for Office 365…”

You can buy a years subscription for $89.

Ya get support, free updates and a terrabyte on onedrive.

Worth it IMHO.

first time ive actually paid for office 😛

If you buy from the microsoft site its probably a lot more – better to go to pbtech or playtech..
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October 16, 2015 9:43am
Longknives

I was at Pre-School in ’78 Mikey…But looking at Wikipedia-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_New_Zealand_rugby_union_tour_of_Britain_and_Ireland

That’s one hell of a side- An absolutely mighty forward pack with the Geriatrics in the front row, Haden and Oliver in the second row and the likes of Mourie and Rutledge in the loose..
Who played No 8 on that tour? Was that Pre-Mexted days?
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October 16, 2015 9:44am
Manolo

@Fletch: Yes, the Iranian Parliament just shitted on Obama and his wonderful “deal”.
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October 16, 2015 9:47am
Fletch

Just a few hours ago, Iranian state media released a video from Iranian Revolutionary Guard showing a secret underground missile base. The previously unreleased footage features dozens of long range missiles, capable of striking Israel, locked and loaded onto mobile launch vehicles.

In the video, Iranian military leaders are seen walking over replicas of the American and Israeli flags placed on the floor at the entrance of the compound.

See the video on the site of Iranian State Media –

http://otaghkhabar24.ir/news/19390

Sky News also has a video report –

http://launch.newsinc.com/share.html?trackingGroup=91854&siteSection=allenwest&videoId=29815881
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October 16, 2015 9:47am
Odakyu-sen

Griff,

Euthanasia is one way to offset the economic disadvantage of having an inverted-pyramid-shaped demographic profile (few earners but many elderly dependants).

Japan must be looking very closely at euthanasia and robotic home-care assistance. China is no doubt watching Japan.
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October 16, 2015 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Re Aro Valley & Holloway Rd

Are you folks living in the past?
Its trendyville nowadays…..split-level housing, spa jets…. a laundry even!
http://www.realestate.co.nz/2658326
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October 16, 2015 9:49am
J Bloggs

Longknives: This is your man:

http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=778
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October 16, 2015 9:50am
kowtow

“If you venture too far up Holloway Road it gets to be a bit like the banjo scene in Deliverance.”

What , it’s a recreation of a Hollywood promulgated anti white stereotypical ,mythical depiction of country folk?
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October 16, 2015 9:51am
mikenmild

longknives
I think the No 8 was Gary Sear, no mean player himself. Mexted emerged on the shorter tour the next year, with an outstanding individual try against Scotland.
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October 16, 2015 9:52am
Longknives

Of course J Bloggs- Cheers!
NZ had a hell of a lot of good No 8s in the early to mid 80s- Mexted, Shelford, Dale Atkins (How was that guy not an All Black?) and the big guy who played back of the scrum for Auckland when Shelford left..(Rich?)
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October 16, 2015 9:56am
Manolo

The link to Roy Morgan’s latest poll: http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6506-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-october-2015-201510150600
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October 16, 2015 9:56am
Kimbo

@ Longknives

Kimbo- The best All Black teams I have seen in my short lifetime were the ’87-88 sides (World Cup winners/Unbeaten Run) and the ’95-96 sides…I wonder if this media hysteria is something of a modern phenomenon? Seemingly every bloody year now we hear that the All Blacks are the ‘best side ever’etc…

Even though you love to rattle a few cages, Longknives, you are nonetheless a very perceptive critic who has that oh so rare capacity to rise above the direction of the herd and perceive it from the outside. And that’s what you’ve just done.

You are right – and your chronology inadvertently gives the reason – the transition to professional rugby in late 1995, which has seen the mushrooming of broadcasting and other media cling-ons, leveraging off it. Up until 1987 rugby in New Zealand used to treat the media with indifference, if not open contempt when negative coverage such as the Keith Murdoch incident or 1981 Springbok tour was the media angle.

In 1987, courtesy of the first World Cup, rugby stumbled by accident into the half-amateur, half-professional commercial era…and that was reflected in some of the marketing. Remember how dramatic the “Stand by me” All Black/Steinlager ads were in 1987? Pretty hokey by today’s standards, and the same with the production values. Older rugby followers laughed at it, but it connected with others outside of rugby’s traditional constituency (women, the young, urban liberals)…and gave an inkling that you could “multiply the market” by using something other than post-match analysis from the likes of Norm Wilson or Graham Thorne.

But for the next 8 years (1987-95) the traditional grounded rugby follower who had actually played, or coached, or had a real connection with the game by supporting their kids in their school or club teams (and therefore knew the reality and euphoria of winning and the disappointment of losing…and how to self-govern yourself in relation to both as per Rudyard Kipling’s If), were still dominant.

But come 1996, and from a marketing perspective, you don’t have to worry about securing those people as viewers. They will watch regardless. Instead, you have to attract those who don’t…and there was a ready-made template of over-hyped bullshit from the Australian Rugby League in the 1980s. And the relationship between the game and media (especially the broadcasters) became incestuous, rather than primarily a critical watchdog. For example I remember being in Aussie in the 1990s when the Super League split was on, and a State of Origin game was on in Melbourne. They had been giving away thousands of free tickets on the streets that week, yet during the coverage there was not one mention of the attendance numbers, nor camera shots of the presumably empty MCG stands (whereas in the past it was the first thing the commentators would rave about).

So that was the model that was still in its infancy here in NZ in 1996, but after 20 years they have got it down to a fine art. A classic example of how the marketers don’t care about grounded core fans..instead they need gimmics and hype, and manufactured and over-inflated personalities to grow their market. So sober reflection and gradual education, while available in some quarters, is downplayed compared to the front-window presentation. Real followers of rugby just shrug their shoulders, ignore the bullshit, and tune in just before kick off (and I like a lot of others am bloody bored by the haka. They now have a “diamond formation”? Yawn…)

BTW, Glenn Turner’s book Lifting the Covers dealt with the same thing that was happening in NZ cricket at the same time, and how he lost his job as national coach, not because of his inability, but rather the ungovernable Chris Cairns was deemed “essential” to marketing. Turner made the prescient comment that NZ Cricket would be leaning on a weak reed if they pegged their game on Chris Cairns…and, how right he was! Chickens coming home to roost, even if it took 20 years!
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October 16, 2015 9:58am
Lucia Maria

Just heard on the radio about a potential cure for cancer using malaria.

Is The Malaria Parasite The Cancer Cure We’ve Been Looking For? Accidental Discovery Displays Remarkable Results
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October 16, 2015 10:07am
stephieboy

kowtow, I don’t think author of Deliverance James Dickey nor the Director of the same John Boorman ever intended to stereotype or denigrate hill billy folk , but one thing is for sure those two rednecks depicted do somehow remind me of you and some others who post here.
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October 16, 2015 10:16am
Kimbo

@ mikenmild & Longknives

Longknives
I think the No 8 was Gary Sear, no mean player himself. Mexted emerged on the shorter tour the next year, with an outstanding individual try against Scotland.

Yep, it was Gazza Seear. Not really ideal as a No 8 – he was a converted lock, so he was essential in an era of tall back-of-the-lineout jumpers – but he lacked the natural dynamism and athleticism of a really quality last-man-down.

That 1978 team had a few weaknesses that had also afflicted the losing All Black team in 1976 – Brad Johnstone wasn’t a great scrummager, they lacked back-of-the-lineout jumping options, Doug Bruce was immensely solid but lacked flair at No. 10, in Brian McKechnie they had a less-than reliable fullback/goal kicker (the welsh test match notwithstanding), and Beegee Williams was, of his own admission, past his best. But no matter what the short-comings, individual and collective, everyone on that tour gave everything they had to make it a success. A very great, if now under-rated, almost forgotten All Black team.

Putting all the pieces together was a superb captaincy (Mourie) coach (Jack Gleeson) and manager (Russ Thomas – the first guy in that position who did exhaustive homework before they left), all of which helped them win 4 of the top five games (Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Barbarians) in the last few minutes. And British rugby, after the glory days of the 1971 Lions had fallen into the trap of over-coached standardised play.

The 1980 team that beat Wales 23-3 (an incredible score in those days) in the Centenary test was probably the best of that era. All the components – except for Doug Rollerson’s goal kicking on the day -were first class. Two quality wings in Wilson and Fraser, maybe the best-ever All Black midfield combination of Osborne and Robertson, the mercurial Nicky Allen at no. 10, with Loveridge having rightly established himself as the first string half back over the very talented Mark Donaldson, core tight forwards like Haden and Knight (they picked Reid ahead of Dalton for that test and Ashworth hadn’t established himself as the clear loosehead prop choice until we needed him the next year against the Boks), and an all time classic loose forward trio of Mourie, Mexted and Shaw. Mourie’s try in particular was a work of art
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October 16, 2015 10:17am
Manolo

Muslim love Boko Haram-style: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/15/kidnapped-chibok-girl-reportedly-flees-boko-haram-says-others-alive/?intcmp=hplnws

“All of us were forced to become Muslims but kept in camps far from each other,” the girl told The Vanguard.

“You can only see and recognise those in your camp as any of us who refused being Islamised was either beheaded or shot at point blank range.”
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October 16, 2015 10:22am
RightNow

ciaron, check out google docs, I switched to it last year and found it great once you get used to it. Totally free.
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October 16, 2015 10:26am
stephieboy

Manolo as ever keeping us updated on his personal Jihad against the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims.

How’s the leaflet drop going for expelling our nations’s 50,000 ?
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October 16, 2015 10:27am
Michael

I reckon it is impossible to rank All Black teams. There are just too many variables.
For example how good were the opposition?
I believe the top players are fitter today than they used to be now that they are professionals.
And coaching methods have improved considerably.
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October 16, 2015 10:27am
Longknives

Kimbo- Osborne and Robertson were before my time but their reputation is unprecedented, they are surely the benchmark!
Best midfield combinations I’ve seen in my time (All Blacks) were Taylor/Stanley and Little/Bunce.
Little/Innes had huge potential also but for whatever reason Innes left NZ Rugby for League at a very young age..
Steven Pokere had as much talent as anyone- But for some reason selectors could never decide which position suited him best or fit him into the mix..

Sorry but it puts the absolute shits up me when I keep reading that Nonu/Smith are the ‘Greatest Midfield Combo Ever’..They aren’t even the best I’ve seen in the Black jersey!
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October 16, 2015 10:33am
Michael

I kept a scrapbook of this tour. I was about 14 at the time. I binned it a couple of years ago. The only scrapbook I ever had.

http://www.allblacks.com/News/10565/reflections-on-the-1949-all-blacks-tour-of-south-africa
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October 16, 2015 10:36am
mikenmild

I agree with Michael – it is nigh impossible to compare eras and teams. The ones we remember fondly are probably the ones that have made the most emotional impact on us.
Nonu and Smith are pretty good though – we always have good midfielders.
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October 16, 2015 10:37am
Reid

A most lucid explanation of the rationale for and background to the Syrian conflict. If you don’t know this then you don’t know anything about it, at all.

https://medium.com/dan-sanchez/seize-the-chaos-d065f507f0cc
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October 16, 2015 10:40am
rangitoto

Open Office is pretty much a dead duck, even the transfer from Oracackle to the Apache foundation wont save it. Most of the devs have moved on to Libre Office. Use that instead.
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October 16, 2015 10:40am
Kimbo

@ Michael

I reckon it is impossible to rank All Black teams. There are just too many variables.
For example how good were the opposition?
I believe the top players are fitter today than they used to be now that they are professionals.
And coaching methods have improved considerably.

True, but if you do you compare the players and teams against other dymanic factors such as

1. Quality of the opposition (which you have already suggested)
2. Ability to dominate the era
3. Ability to overcome obstacles and external difficulties (e..g, travel, opposition tactics, injuries, etc)
4. All round ability/weaknesses
5. Abiding legacy that shaped the game (e.g., we no longer have a 2-3-2 scrum or a wing forward, yet the 1905 All Blacks essentially introduced loose forward play to the game).

For example, while Christian Cullen was the greatest attacking fullback who ever played for the All Blacks, he lacked the all-round skills and expert positional play of Bob Scott – who played in an era where fullbacks were not expected to be used as attacking weapons (yet Scott did anyway). Plus Cullen eventually burned out due to injury, yet Scott was never dropped, was coaxed out of retirement 2 times (the last at age 33), and the selectors were still begging him to play for the All Blacks at age 35 just before the 1956 Springboks. And like Cullen his temperament and competitiveness were superb.

Plus Scott’s devotion to fitness and preparation, even while holding down a full time job and raising a family in the amateur era, means that you would have only needed a few months to bring him up to modern fitness standards, And his sublime natural skills, honed by hours of practice would only get better if he had more time to devote to it, as professionals do.

RWH Scott – greatest All Black fullback…ever.
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October 16, 2015 10:40am
Manolo

@stephieboy: There is no need to throw them out. These 50,000 should remain respectful of the laws of our country, integrate in society, and live as normal NZ citizens.

Freedom of expression and religion are pillars of a democratic society, so there is no room for Sharia law in NZ. Would you agree?

A must do: renounce violence and condemn the barbarism of ISIS, Boko Haram and other savages of your same faith.
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October 16, 2015 10:41am
Kimbo

@ Michael

I kept a scrapbook of this tour. I was about 14 at the time. I binned it a couple of years ago. The only scrapbook I ever had.

Noooooo!

Would have bought it off you.
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October 16, 2015 10:42am
Longknives

I will get rubbished and abused for this but the best Second Five I’ve seen in my lifetime was Tim Horan, The best Centre was Danie Gerber (with Philippe Sella a close second..)
Let the mocking and sneering from the All Black fans begin..
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October 16, 2015 10:43am
Reid

Dangerous inferiority in the US aerial weapons platforms. While the US toys with Russia in the ME, what happens if it goes hot, with their top guns in this position?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-militarys-top-guns-the-air-have-big-weakness-14065
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October 16, 2015 10:46am
Dave_1924

@Kimbo…

Gary Sear would take long range penalty kicks in tests on occasions – not bad for a big unit!!

As for the centenary test against Wales the play of the All Blacks that day was sublime and help a little over come the bitterness of the 1978 test matches deciding moment.

Mourie is probably the best captain of the All Blacks I have seen [memory back to maybe 75/6] as he was a master tactician and had an outstanding ability to change the game plan at half time.

My favourite test though has to be that 1977 game against the French in Paris. The brains trust came up with a sped up game plan featuring short lineouts and relentless movement to exhaust the monster French pack, which had kicked the AB’s forward packs butts all over the place in the 1st test

highights….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoMWb9ypehU
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October 16, 2015 10:48am
tom hunter

…. instead they need gimmics and hype, and manufactured and over-inflated personalities to grow their market.

Yes. When I returned from the USA at the turn of the millennium I was very keen to see what had happened to rugby now that it had gone professional, especially having followed the professional leagues in the USA for more than a decade. I wondered about the marketing, about the type of men that would now emerge when all they do is play rugby, about the effect on the smaller provinces. For example, would NZ rugby institute a draft-pick system like the NFL, to allow poor teams to rise over time by getting good players.

I made this point the other day, but the haka was the first and most obvious change: slicker, more professional – and now used in every single All Black game, FFS. Well of course it is – that dance is advertising/marketing gold: differentiation to the max.

For me at least, the turning point came in 2001, during an All Black-Springbok test. A tri-nations affair of course, it was played in Dunedin on a winters night. In the days leading up to the game I doubted it would be very good: Carisbrook was notorious enough for having a godawful pitch when the winter rains fell, not to mention the cold – and now they’d be doing this at night under lights. Moreover the Bok team that year had a woeful backline that found it hard to score tries even in the dry. A kickers night. However, I’m an old enough rugby fan that even a spectacle such as this can be fascinating to watch – I think of the amazing 1983 test against the Lions in yet another Athletic Park gale – so I sat down to watch.

With twenty minutes to go and the AB’s leading by only about nine points – a nothing lead, given the history of these two teams – I turned the TV off. I still recall that even as I climbed the stairs to bed, I marvelled at the fact that I had switched off a Springbok-All Black test match with twenty minutes to go and a close score. I’d just lost interest.

So much for the new professional era. I’d peek in occasionally over the next decade but that was all, although I have started watching again in the last couple of years. Perhaps I just needed to make the adjustment from the era of “tours” and only playing the Boks and such like every few years; the frequency of contact is also the professional era as much as the hysterical, screaming media bullshit, and is no different from the Bears playing the Packers twice a year for decades, something that does not lessen the intensity of their fans.

My favourite test though has to be that 1977 game against the French in Paris.

Sat up with Dad to watch that one, with little expectation we could win after the ass-kicking we’d received in the previous test. One of the great games as brains and tactics ran the French into the ground.
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October 16, 2015 10:49am
Dave_1924

@Long Knives….. those 2 guys in Horan and Gerber are pretty damn close to the best I have seen, in the centres though personally I would take Philippe Sella ahead of Horan…. I think he was a more devastating defender than Horn, though Horan had that brilliant aerial game retreiving high kicks as a counter argument….

no sneering from this dyed in the wool AB fan mate…
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October 16, 2015 10:51am
igm

No mention to date of the latest Roy Morgan Poll in any MSM outlets. Gutless Chicken Little and tax defrauder McCarten must still control media unions!
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October 16, 2015 10:53am
Jack5

The sickest NZ story I’ve read for a while…

From Hamilton, a woman was storing an unborn foetus in a freezer ahead of burying it under a tree.

A burglar steals food in the freezer, including the foetus.

The young woman’s father:

“The plan was to put it under a tree somewhere, but she flats so it’s difficult, that’s why she had it on ice.”

Apparently it’s now common for women to plant placenta from childbirth under trees.

As Christianity fades, the Western world sinks not into enlightenment but back into darker superstition, and in this case, perhaps even into cannibalism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/73011484/Hamilton-mothers-unborn-baby-stolen-in-freezer-theft
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October 16, 2015 10:53am
Kimbo

@ Longknives

I will get rubbished and abused for this but the best Second Five I’ve seen in my lifetime was Tim Horan, The best Centre was Danie Gerber (with Philippe Sella a close second..)
Let the mocking and sneering from the All Black fans begin.

No mocking from me. Only other name to put in there (from before your time) is C M(ike) H Gibson of NIFC, Ulster, Ireland, the British Lions and Barbarians. A complete footballer in every sense of the word.

Other than Jimmy Hunter with the 1905 team, and Bert Cooke in 1924-25 (or if Cooke was playing at no. 13, the great Mark Nicholls moving out from 10 to still play inside Cooke), second five eighth/inside centre was a traditional “problem” position for the All Blacks.

Our style had an over reliance on crash ball to set up rucks such as Ian MacRae – which is also why Pokere was eventually dumped. Quality players at no. 12 like Osborne, Taylor (a quality tradesman, not a "great" player) and the all-to-brief John Schuster were the exception. Even Walter Little struggled to establish himself before 1995.

Instead, our midfield creative possibilities were secondary to the midfield setting targets for our real attacking weapon and competitive point of difference- the All Black loose forwards.
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October 16, 2015 10:54am
Inandout

So Germany under Mutti Merkel is heading for a neo Nazi resurgence with Pegida (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the Occident) getting thousands of Germans to their meetings. It seems like dear leader Merkel is insane, but is she? Growing up in East Germany was by all accounts a happy time for her and she fitted easily into the Communist way of life and had it not been for the fall of the regime she would probably have risen to high office. Now being described by commentators as a ‘pragmatist’. “I certainly don’t decide things ad-hoc,” the chancellor says about herself. “I look at a process in its entirety and also look ahead where a possible decision would take me.”
Would it be entirely feasible to suggest that Merkel secretly yearns for a return to a heavily militarised and strictly run German society, the one she happily grew up in? Germans by nature love order, and this migrant invasion must cause terrible angst as their everyday lives are thrown into chaos. The rise of the Far Right in Germany is a given, and it will grow hugely in the coming year as more migrants flood in, and there can only be one outcome, given that the resident population sits at 82.6 million.
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October 16, 2015 10:55am
Longknives

A lot of my favourite Test matches involve the French- they seem to have a flair for dramatic last minute finishes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnzNxVpAXQw

And this- Holy hell this was freakish!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJfvfx0titc
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October 16, 2015 10:58am
Albert_Ross

What exactly does a person have to do to “integrate in society and live as [a] normal New Zealander”? Given the wide variety of opinions and behaviours, some more appealing than others, demonstrated by New Zealanders in general, that seems a pretty meaningless requirement – no activity would be either forbidden or required if that was the criterion.

How can you simultaneously hold that “Freedom of expression and religion are pillars of a democratic society” and that “there is no room for Sharia law in NZ”?

Freedom of religion does not mean anything, if it does not mean that a person can follow Sharia law if he so wishes and can do so within the secular law.

Certainly, nobody should be made to follow Sharia law if he does not wish to. But “nobody should be obliged to” is very far from “everybody should be forbidden from”.

Similarly, nobody should have any obligation to go out of their way to enable somebody else to follow Sharia law. But “we don’t have to help” is very far from “we must actively prevent”.
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October 16, 2015 11:00am
stephieboy

Reid, a most untintellible presentation by this Dan Sanchez another who appears to promote the canard that Israel is in cahoots with ISIS.

Israel’s relationship with the Assad and his father has historically not what it could be and it’s not always the former’s fault given the unrelenting hostility it’s northern neighbour has displayed towards it . Naturally Israel would have have some ambivalence toward the civil war there given that historical hostility , but Sanchez’s simplistic account including his unsourced quotes from a certain David Wurmster. and connecting many windy un connected notes together.

Now from you the real substance of the claim, other than anti jewish websites etc , Israel created and is conniving with ISIS ?
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October 16, 2015 11:01am
AgentBallSack

Ironic how everyone around Chris Cairns has something to gain by calling him a cheat. Vincents evidence incriminates himself so there is no reason for him to say it. Bazza is mistaken in what he heard. As one of the greatest ever in NZ cricket, I am sure people won’t like Cairns lawyer saying McCullum is making shit up.
All thats left now is to find out how long Cairns will be detained at Her Majestys pleasure.
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October 16, 2015 11:04am
Colville

I dont care who WAS the best, I just care who WILL be the best in 16 days time 🙂

Come on the Argies ! hopefully by 13+ 🙂
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October 16, 2015 11:08am
stephieboy

jack 5, the foetus in the fridge sick as it is pales before this history of massacres carried out in the name of Christ ,

,http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Massacres_in_the_name_of_a_peaceful_faith
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October 16, 2015 11:08am
EAD

“What the successful Russian precision airstrikes have done is expose in all its ugly nakedness the Emperor’s New Clothes. For more than one year, the Obama Administration claims it has committed the most awesome airpower on the planet allegedly to destroy ISIS, which has been described as a “ragtag band of militants running around the desert in basketball shoes.”

Curiously, until last week, ISIS has only expanded its web of power in Syria and Iraq under US bombings. Now, within 72 hours, the Russian military, launching only 60 bombing runs in 72 hours, hitting more than 50 ISIS targets, has brought the ISIS combatants into what the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman described as a state of “panic” where more than 600 have deserted. And, according to Moscow, the fight is only beginning, expected, they say to last three to four months.

The Obama Administration has been training terrorists of Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, allegedly to fight ISIS, much like the disgraced General David Petraeus did in Iraq and Afghanistan along with Obama’s special ISIS coordinator, the just-resigned General John Allen. The US-trained “moderate” terrorists were being readied, it’s now clear to all the world, in reality, to battle Assad and open the way for a Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Syria and a real plunge into darkness for the world if that were to succeed.

Now, with the truth in the open, exposed by the remarkable successes of a handful of Russian fighter jets in four days against ISIS, accomplishing more than the US “anti-ISIS coalition” in more than one year, it is clear to the world Washington has been playing a dirty double game.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/15/putin-is-defeating-more-than-isis-in-syria/
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October 16, 2015 11:10am
cha

and in this case, perhaps even into cannibalism.

Great siege tucker.

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October 16, 2015 11:15am
Odakyu-sen

Albert,

Good questions.

Look at the phrase, “Freedom of expression and religion are pillars of a democratic society.” What are the meanings behind the words? You cannot take the words literally.

I take “freedom of expression” to mean that you can say things that run counter to the opinions of the majority, i.e., the “herd.”
Of course, with freedom comes responsibility; you cannot express notions that may induce less-thinking people to go out and do harm to others.
I take “freedom of religion” to mean that you can practice whatever religion you like in your free time, provided that it doesn’t impose upon or affect the freedom of others.

Under Sharia Law, there is no separation of church and state (which is extremely dangerous).
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October 16, 2015 11:17am
Reid

EAD, if you’re interested in Syria, definitely read the link in my 10.40, it’s very insightful. Naturally sillyboy doesn’t get it but when has he ever?

BTW, you know the hospital the US bombed? They’ve said it was treating terrorists, is why they did. But what about the Israeli hospitals who are doing the same before sending them back to Syria?
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October 16, 2015 11:19am
Odakyu-sen

InandOut,

If you want “a heavily militarised and strictly run German society” then the State needs reasons to justify such a society. Now, what reasons could be out there, waiting to be seized upon?

The State loves a “crisis” because it gives the State the excuse to do extraordinary things and get away with them.
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October 16, 2015 11:25am
Reid

https://medium.com/dan-sanchez/medical-care-for-terrorists-will-get-you-bombed-by-the-us-unless-you-re-israel-aafb4c1bd761
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October 16, 2015 11:25am
Harriet

“….JK “nah cant do that now, even though I want to, the opposition would have a field day with this if I admitted I am wrong”….”

Yep……Key putting up the white flag of surrender….

Imagine that election hoarding – and international coverage too – and Key is also chairman of some international conservative group – he’d get immediatly kicked out!

He can’t even fall on his sword over this issue now. He has to now face a probable beating – and see it through to the end. 🙂

There was no real upside for National no matter what the outcome of the flag debate – more so when ISIS helped kill off the only real challenger to the current flag. I do believe the reason behind it is Key’s ego.
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October 16, 2015 11:26am
Albert_Ross

with freedom comes responsibility; you cannot express notions that may induce less-thinking people to go out and do harm to others.

I would agree that that would be an immoral and irresponsible thing to do, but I would not agree that it should be made illegal (if that’s what you’re saying).

People are responsible for their own actions and “I did it because Odakyu-sen encouraged me to do it” should not be available as a legal defence.

There’s a really important difference between the question of whether something is moral and whether it’s legal. The fact that I have a right to do or say something does not mean that I am right to do or say it. Legally, there should be no constraints on what a person can say. But that does not mean there are no moral constraints.
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October 16, 2015 11:32am
Griff

Jack5 (7,026 comments) says:
October 16th, 2015 at 10:53 am

The sickest NZ story I’ve read for a while…

I will go one better
I once took a fetus out fishing.
My flat mate had a miscarried one in the freezer.
One day in a hurry I grabbed it by mistake along with the bait.
Fetuses are crap bait by the way only good for eels.
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October 16, 2015 11:35am
Keeping Stock

The best centre I have ever seen play was definitely Mike Gibson; he had all the skills. Bruce Robertson rates an honourable mention; his passing was as good as anyone’s. I’m reliably told that JB Smith was the best centre of his generation, but that sadly WWII and a ban on Maori players touring South Africa in 1949 limited him to just nine tests.
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October 16, 2015 11:38am
Harriet

“……The sickest NZ story I’ve read for a while…

I will go one better
I once took a fetus out fishing.
My flat mate had a miscarried one in the freezer.
One day in a hurry I grabbed it by mistake along with the bait.
Fetuses are crap bait by the way only good for eels…..”

Life begins at conception and ends at planned parenthood.

btw – PP are no longer accepting money for body parts. I can’t see Cruz or Rubio funding them either. They’re finished – PP that is, obviously.
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October 16, 2015 11:41am
Griff

I am not the ones on here who eats human flesh every Sunday.
Ritual cannibalism is not OK.
Believing in such nuttwhackery should get you a long stay in a nice comfy padded cell.
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October 16, 2015 11:45am
Griff

btw – PP are no longer accepting money for body parts. I can’t see Cruz or Rubio funding them either. They’re finished – PP that is, obviously.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/utah-argue-block-planned-parenthood-money-34487512
Judge Orders Utah to Keep Cash Flowing to Planned Parenthood

Fox News Ignores Investigations Finding No Wrongdoing By Planned Parenthood To Prop Up False Claims That The …
Media Matters for America‎ – 1 day ago
State committees have meeting on Planned Parenthood investigation
KOMU-TV‎ – 1 day ago
More news for Planned Parenthood investigations
Growing List Of Planned Parenthood Investigations Hyped
mediamatters.org/…planned-parenthood…/20…

Media Matters for America
Aug 24, 2015 – A growing list of state and federal inquiries are clearing Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing, after Republican lawmakers spurred on by …
About those Planned Parenthood investigations | MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/about-those-planned-parenthood-investigations
Jul 31, 2015 – After fetal tissue videos, Planned Parenthood is being investigated in states where it doesn’t even participate in tissue donation — or even …
Investigations turn up no Planned Parenthood wrongdoing …
http://www.msnbc.com/…/investigations-turn-no-planned-parenthood-wrongd...
Aug 17, 2015 – In light of the recent controversy surrounding Planned Parenthood, quite a few states launched their own investigations into whether the health …
State Probes Find Zero Planned Parenthood Violations As …
https://www.yahoo.com/…/state-level-planned-parenthood-investi…
Yahoo!
Sep 18, 2015 – Planned Parenthood has come under fire, but two investigations this week found no wrongdoing by the organization. The antiabortion group …
Congress’ Planned Parenthood Investigation Has Turned …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/congress-planned-pare...
The Huffington Post
Sep 9, 2015 – WASHINGTON — The same day the GOP-controlled House Judiciary Committee held a hearing to “expose” Planned Parenthood’s “horrific …
Pennsylvania becomes fifth state to find no Planned …
thehill.com/…/251664-pennsylvania-becomes-fifth-state-to-find-…
The Hill
Aug 21, 2015 – Pennsylvania has found no wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood in the … other state where these investigations have concluded,” she said.
House creates panel to investigate Planned Parenthood …
thehill.com/…/256254-house-creates-panel-to-investigate-planne…
The Hill
Oct 7, 2015 – The House voted Wednesday to create a special committee to investigate Planned Parenthood and the handling of aborted fetal tissue, all but ….
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October 16, 2015 11:54am
Harriet

“…..I am not the ones on here who eats human flesh every Sunday.
Ritual cannibalism is not OK.
Believing in such nuttwhackery should get you a long stay in a nice comfy padded cell…..”

Why do some mothers allow themselves, and their boyfriends, to beat and on occasion kill their kids?

Given that all young males who hurt animals appear before the courts and are taken very seriously — as the offence is a predictor of serious assaults towards humans — I’d then bet huge money a lot of cases then stem from abortion.

Maori women back in the 90’s had the highest abortion rate in the world for a few years — and they mostly would’ve gone on to have children given the maori single mum numbers after that date — and there were a lot of beatings and killings from 2000’s onwards. Just sayin.
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October 16, 2015 12:04pm
Griff

Cry me a river Harriet
What is your complaint.
Abortions or single mums?
Cant have both you know.
Lies for Jesus are not ok

Pope apologizes for bum sex scandals.
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/29813674/pope-asks-forgiveness-after-sex-scandals-rock-vatican-and-rome/
Do as I say not as I do.
The catholic Church motto for two thousand years.
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Actually, I had no idea what point Harriet was trying to make; a common experience with his comments.
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