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Maggy Wassilieff

@kowtow 3:44

France’s top weatherman has been suspended
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/10/14/top-french-weatherman-suspended-for-forbidden-views.html
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October 15, 2015 4:49pm
Reid

Putin brilliantly, clearly and succinctly dismantles the western propaganda BS machine in the form of this BBC twit’s question. Enjoy the truth and clarity!

Another certified moron bites the dust

JOHN SIMPSON, BBC: “Western countries almost universally now believe that there’s a new Cold War and that you, frankly, have decided to create that. We see, almost daily, Russian aircraft taking sometimes quite dangerous maneuvers towards western airspace. That must be done on your orders; you’re the Commander-in-Chief. It must have been your orders that sent Russian troops into the territory of a sovereign country – Crimea first, and then whatever it is that’s going on in Eastern Ukraine. Now you’ve got a big problem with the currency of Russia, and you’re going to need help and support and understanding from outside countries, particularly from the West. So can I say to you, can I ask you now, would you care to take this opportunity to say to people from the West that you have no desire to carry on with the new Cold War, and that you will do whatever you can to sort out the problems in Ukraine? Thank you!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KHCNk9BYy4

Some partners have mush for brains, Putin says on US’s Syria policies

Russian Mi-24 Helicopter Pilots in Syria Wow Western Analysts: It’s an impressive piece of hardware with no real equal in the world…Part of that awe stems from the fact that the Mi-24 essentially does the job of two US helicopters. The Russian gunship combines the best qualities of the American Apache attack helicopter with the Huey transport helicopter.

The Pentagon lacks any kind of comparable aircraft.

Harmer said that such a combination of capabilities lets Russian crews focus on “directing airstrikes, calling in helicopter gunship support, and directing long-range air-to-surface and surface-to-surface missile fire.”

The Mi-24 is also unlike anything in the Syrian arsenal, and Harmer suggests that the skill of Russian crews is “a qualitative technical advantage that the Syrian military just doesn’t have; it’s going to significantly reduce Assad’s casualties…”

Meanwhile the sheeple continue their propaganda-induced hallucination that the Roooskies are the bad guys despite the clear and present evidence that in a few short weeks their ops have decimated ISIS, a feat which the sheeple’s heroes, the US, was evidently (i.e. proven by events, cannot be denied, actually, truly, did and has happened – duh) unable to accomplish in the previous 12 months. Yet this doesn’t stop the idiot sheeple from completely ignoring this clear, present, obvious and undeniable reality and instead continuing to bleat pathetically their propaganda-induced hallucination that the Roooooskies must be, have to be, are, have always been and always will be, the bad guys. What a bunch of roaring mentals at full gallop furiously charging at windmill after windmill to pass the time, as they travel the winding road on their way to compete in the Whose the Biggest Moron of All competition sponsored by the World Federation of Village Idiots.
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October 15, 2015 4:55pm
Reid

France’s top weatherman has been suspended

Newspeak anyone? Can’t interfere with the messaging. The sheeple might awaken. Verbotten!

(Not that they would of course, but can’t take the risk, can they…)

BTW anyone, does anyone think the POTUS would EVER host conferences such as what Putin hosts all the time, as exampled in that above vid?
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October 15, 2015 5:00pm
Griff

France’s top weatherman has been suspended.
ROFL
Hate to tell you guys this
But a tv presenter is not a top meteorologist.
He is a tv presenter.
Any one with a IQ above 100 would know that wouldent they
oh wait ……….
Some nut presenter gets sacked for being a twit live on tv and it proves what ?
That the tv station does not want to be associated with nutters.
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October 15, 2015 5:13pm
Lucia Maria

Kowtow,

It always helps to know what a newspaper’s editorial stand is.

For the Moscow Times here’s wiki :

“In the aftermath of the Ukrainian crisis, The Moscow Times was criticized by a number of journalists like Izvestia columnist Israel Shamir, who in December 2014 called it a “militant anti-Putin paper, a digest of the Western press with extreme bias in covering events in Russia””

The same could be said of me. I am militantly anti-Putin with an extreme bias when it comes to Russia. I give both the benefit of the doubt for a while (see my blog, there’s even fawning pics of Putin there, though not posted by me) only to be very disappointed, to say the least.
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October 15, 2015 5:16pm
Reid

This is a great article, but then what else do we expect from Pablo?

http://atimes.com/2015/10/say-hello-to-my-cruise-missiles-escobar/

Content warning: may hurt tummies and cause sheeple uncontrollably to go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

It always helps to know what a newspaper’s editorial stand is.

Why? Can’t you work out articles for yourself? Or are you another of these people who hallucinate the source controls the veracity of the words you read?
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October 15, 2015 5:26pm
Reid

I am militantly anti-Putin with an extreme bias when it comes to Russia.

Really? We’d never have guessed.

BTW, can you explain the clear and present Russian results achieved against ISIS in 5 mins vs nothing achieved through 12 months of US intervention?

If not, does this reality trouble you?

Or does it simply not exist? (For you.)
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October 15, 2015 5:32pm
ex-golfer

Mad Greens on about quota’s again.
Have they ever thought that women don’t really WANT to be in Parliament?
I can recall a couple of their ex-members that were glad to leave stating they didn’t like it at all.
Maybe they want us to round up a whole bunch of women and force them into the place?
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October 15, 2015 5:50pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

I am militantly anti-Putin with an extreme bias when it comes to Russia.

Really? We’d never have guessed.

Just stating the obvious to Kowtow who was stating the obvious to me. Though, not everyone is aware of the obvious.

BTW, can you explain the clear and present Russian results achieved against ISIS in 5 mins vs nothing achieved through 12 months of US intervention?

What results, beyond not targeting ISIS and instead taking out some of the anti-Assad opposition?
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October 15, 2015 5:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff

No-one on this site said he was a meteorologist.
Read the articles….. Verdier reads the weather…. he knows the difference between weather & climate….. the interfering politicians don’t.
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October 15, 2015 6:10pm
Reid

What results, beyond not targeting ISIS and instead taking out some of the anti-Assad opposition?

You mean all reports of ISIS running round bumping into each other in complete panic are false and cannot and must not be relied upon, by a serious seeker of truth and justice Lucia?

Or what do you mean?

And so what if Russia is taking out some of the anti-Assad opposition if they’re also bombing the crap of the implacably evil ISIS? Who do you think created “the anti-Assad opposition” in the first place? [The CIA – duh, it’s what they do. To get at Iran, duh.]

Do you seriously think the “anti-Assad opposition” is some grass-roots uprising from the poor oppwesed Sywian people fighting for truth, justice, and the Syrian way? Do you seriously think that? What about the reports of all the “moderates” defecting to ISIS? What about the reports of the US re-supplying said “moderates” with ammo? Does this not trouble you? If not, why not? Read that Escobar story I gave you above, you might just learn something.

But pray address the primary question first: are all reports of ISIS being hammered, false, and if not, how come the US couldn’t achieve the same in 12 full months?
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October 15, 2015 6:11pm
Griff

Maggy Wassilieff
😆
Guess who the proprietor of bishop hill the site you linked to works for?
Why it wouldent be interfering politicians would it…..
The gwpf. A political group with secret funding and an obvious agenda.

Maggy and her concern trolling and double standards.
Must be embarrassing to be so gullible and easily debunked
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October 15, 2015 6:17pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72374978/matiu-wereta-named-as-dead-hawkes-bay-toddler-in-assault-case

“A 17-year-old male has been charged with assault and appeared in the Hastings District Court on Tuesday”
“An uncle of the accused man said on Tuesday the boy died as the result of a tragic accident.”

Good old ‘Whanau’- No doubt they will be in Court to support this guy with the usual ‘Stay Staunch Bro’ calls…
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October 15, 2015 6:21pm
nasska

This secret funding for ammo & weather is an epidemic!

What the hell do they write on the cheque butts? 🙂
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October 15, 2015 6:24pm
Lucia Maria

You mean all reports of ISIS running round bumping into each other in complete panic are false and cannot and must not be relied upon, by a serious seeker of truth and justice Lucia?

We must be reading completely different reports, Reid. But then (again, stating the obvious), I don’t read pro-Russian propaganda sites.

But pray address the primary question first: are all reports of ISIS being hammered, false, and if not, how come the US couldn’t achieve the same in 12 full months?

Already answered.
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October 15, 2015 6:25pm
Reid

Good old ‘Whanau’- No doubt they will be in Court to support this guy with the usual ‘Stay Staunch Bro’ calls…

Yes Longknives. But shouldn’t we be also asking ourselves how a society was created in the first place which creates the environment in which, no doubt, this incident happened?

I’m talking about: inter-generational unemployment, little to no education, huge drug use, etc.

Does EAD’s very wise and insightful 8.15 have any bearing on this? Is this ‘our’ fault or is it the govt’s fault? Or is it ‘their’ fault, in which case, who is ‘they’ and how the hell do educated people expect uneducated people to change themselves without the help of we educated?

And if we educated people perceive maybe a barrier to that is this wholesale P.C. psychobabble nonsense practiced by every single govt agency in the land these days, WTF are we educated people doing, to kick the fucking door down on those moronic politicians, holding them by the scruff of the neck, and demanding they get rid of this idiotic damaging bullshit?

Because right now, we educated people have a ‘so-called’ conservative govt in power, for the last seven years, and so far, ‘our’ side has done nothing, repeat nothing, about knocking down said P.C. psychobabble bullshit, has it. And what are we educated people doing about that?

Nothing.

Right?
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October 15, 2015 6:31pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_gPnUF5q9E
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October 15, 2015 6:33pm
kowtow

“But a tv presenter is not a top meteorologist.”

I didn’t say he was.

But let’s not ignore the claim that a politician ,likewise not a scientist , ” Laurent Fabius, the French foreign minister, summoned the country’s main weather presenters and urged them to mention “climate chaos” in their forecasts.”’

It would appear many of the so called climate “scientists” aren’t top notch either.

“The IPCC scientists aren’t the best available, far from it. They’re a motley crew assembled via a typical United Nations boondoggle that stacks the scientific ranks with heavy quotas for Third Worlders, along with special consideration for females. The IPCC rules explain that the IPCC hierarchy “shall reflect balanced geographical representation with due consideration for scientific and technical requirements.” ‘

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/10/47155/
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October 15, 2015 6:33pm
Reid

Already answered.

What? So all global MSM reports of ISIS being hammered and running and cowering, are propaganda from the evil empire?

Really?

Seriously?

I’m picking therefore Lucia, logic is not a priority for you, rather, you rely on emotion. (And I know you’re an ex-developer.)

Edit: That’s brilliant Andrei.
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October 15, 2015 6:41pm
Lucia Maria

Here’s an example of what I’ve been reading on the effects of the Russian airstrikes on ISIS: ‘Reckless’ Putin strikes are boosting jihadists

Russian airstrikes in Syria have opened the door for the Islamic State to expand its foothold in the northwestern corner of the country, a U.S. military spokesman said Tuesday.

Col. Steve Warren, spokesman for the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, called the Russian strikes “reckless” and “indiscriminate.”

“We have seen ISIL make progress based on Russian airstrikes,” Warren told reporters in a video briefing from Baghdad, using the military’s acronym for the terrorist group. “We’ve seen Russian airstrikes and we’ve seen ISIL, in this one area anyways, be able to take advantage of those airstrikes.”

After previously stating that Russia’s goal was to strike Islamic State targets, President Vladimir Putin admitted Tuesday that the Russian strikes are meant to bolster the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, according to a CNN report.

“Our task is to stabilize the legitimate government and to create conditions for a political compromise … by military means, of course,” Putin told the state-run Russia 24 TV, according to CNN.

Putin’s comments confirm what many suspected, given the fact that Russian strikes were focused in western Syria, which does not have an Islamic State presence but does have anti-government rebels.

Warren said the Russians have conducted 80 strikes in Syria since beginning operations. Only a fraction of the strikes, focused on Homs and Hama, have struck Islamic State targets. Instead, Warren said the majority of Russian strikes have been in support of the Assad regime.
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October 15, 2015 6:42pm
Lucia Maria

What? So all global MSM reports of ISIS being hammered and running and cowering, are propaganda from the evil empire?

I’m not seeing any of those reports, Reid. Maybe you can link to some in the standard press (ie, not RT, etc).
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October 15, 2015 6:44pm
Reid

Maybe you can link to some in the standard press.

I told you, see my 5.26. Asia Times is “standard press.”

Tell us, what is “standard press?”

Is it only something that says what you want to hear?

How about stuff? Or The Herald?

etc.

??

As I said above, read it, sift it, make your own decisions. You’ve got a 3-digit IQ Lucia, we can all see that. So use it.
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October 15, 2015 6:52pm
Andrei

Col. Steve Warren, spokesman for the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, called the Russian strikes “reckless” and “indiscriminate.”

Wow that’s just brilliant coming from the people that strafed a hospital last week for 90 minutes using an AC130 gunship

As VVP says Americans have oatmeal between their ears – they are panicking, wont co-operate with the Russians and Iranians to defeat ISIS and the reason is because defeating ISIS is not their goal, it is taking Bashir Assad out and the bastards have been arming ISIS surruptiously to achieve this which along with their other crimes in Africa and the ME has lead to a major refugee crisis in Europe.
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October 15, 2015 6:53pm
Lucia Maria

I’m picking therefore Lucia, logic is not a priority for you, rather, you rely on emotion. (And I know you’re an ex-developer.)

You think I’m more a Captain Kirk than a Spock .. except Kirk always beats the odds. 🙂
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October 15, 2015 6:55pm
Griff

😆
You really have no idea kowtow
The IPCC hierarchy is the office staff.
All 27 of them.
They organize the process they dont write the reports.

The ipcc process examines the scientific literature using scientist from most of the top university and institutes from around the globe
ie one chapter one report
List of authors of Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis

Krishna AchutaRao Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory USA A
Robert F. Adler NASA USA A
Lisa Alexander Hadley Centre UK, Australia, Ireland A
Hans Alexandersson Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute Sweden A
Richard Allan Environmental Systems Science Centre, University of Reading UK A A
Myles Allen Climate Dynamics Group, Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics, Department of Physics, University of Oxford UK A A RE
Richard B. Alley Department of Geosciences, Pennsylvania State University USA L L L A
Ian Allison Australian Antarctic Division and Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre Australia L
Peter Ambenje Kenya Meteorological Department Kenya L
Caspar Ammann Climate and Global Dynamics Division, NCAR USA A
Natalia Andronova University of Michigan USA A
James Annan Frontier Research Center for Global Change, Japan Agency for Marine- Earth Science and Technology Japan, UK A
John Antonov NOAA USA, Russian Federation A
Julie Arblaster NCAR and Bureau of Meteotology Research Center USA, Australia A A A
David Archer University of Chicago USA A
Vivek Arora CCCma Canada A
Raymond Arritt Iowa State University USA A
Vincenzo Artale Italian National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and the Environment (ENEA) Italy L
Paulo Artaxo Instituto de Fisica, Universidade de São Paulo Brazil L
Ingeborg Auer Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics Austria A
John Austin NOAA, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory USA A
Kristen Averyt NOAA, Earth System Research Laboratory USA TS
Alphonsus Baede Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI) and Ministry of Housing, Spatial Planning and the Environment Netherlands RE
David Baker NCAR USA A
Mark P. Baldwin Northwest Research Associates USA A
Jean-Marc Barnola Laboratoire de Glaciologie et Géophysique de l’Environnement France A
Roger Barry National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado USA RE
Nicholas Robert Bates Bermuda Institute of Ocean Sciences Bermuda A
Eva Bauer Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Germany A
Rasmus Benestad Norwegian Meteorological Institute Norway A
Martin Beniston University of Geneva, (University of Fribourg, geography institute until 2007) Switzerland A A
André Berger Université catholique de Louvain, Institut d’Astronomie et de Géophysique G. Lemaitre Belgium A
Terje Berntsen Centre for International Climate and Environmantal Research (CICERO) Norway L L L
Joseph A. Berry Carnegie Institute of Washington, Department of Global Ecology USA A
Richard A. Betts Hadley Centre UK L A A
Joachim Biercamp Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH Germany A
Nathaniel L. Bindoff Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre and CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research Australia L L CL
Cecilia Bitz University of Washington USA A
Heinz Blatter Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science, ETH Zurich Switzerland A
Greg Bodeker National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research New Zealand A
Roxana Bojariu National Institute of Meteorology and Hydrology (NIMH) Romania L
Gordon Bonan NCAR USA A
Sandrine Bony Laboratoire de Météorologie Dynamique, Institut Pierre Simon Laplace France L
Aaron Boone CNRS CNRM at Meteo France France, USA A
Kansri Boonpragob Department of Biology, Faculty of Science, Ramkhamhaeng University Thailand RE RE
Olivier Boucher Hadley Centre UK, France A
Philippe Bousquet Institut Pierre Simon Laplace, Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement France A
Jason Box Ohio State University USA A
Tim Boyer NOAA USA A
Pascale Braconnot Pascale Braconnot Institu Pierre Simon Laplace, Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement France L
Esther Brady NCAR USA A
Guy Brasseur Earth and Sun Systems Laboratory, NCAR USA, Germany A A CL
Christopher Bretherton Department of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington USA A
Keith R. Briffa Climatic Research Unit UK L
Anthony J. Broccoli Rutgers University USA A
Patrick Brockmann Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement France A
Anne Le Brocq Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling, University of Bristol UK UK, France, Canada A
David Bromwich Byrd Polar Research Center, The Ohio State University USA A A A
Victor Brovkin Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Germany, Russian Federation A A
Ross Brown Environment Canada Canada A
Lawrence Buja NCAR USA A
Aristita Busuioc National Meteorological Administration Romania L
Patricia Cadule Institut Pierre Simon Laplace France A
Wenju Cai CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research Australia A
Inés Camilloni Universidad de Buenos Aires, Cwentro de Investigaciones del Mar y la Atmósfera Argentina A
Josep Canadell Global Carbon Project, CSIRO Australia A
Jorge Carrasco Direccion Meteorologica de Chile and Centro de Estudios Cientificos Chile L
Christophe Cassou Centre National de Recherche Scientifique, Centre Europeen de Recherche et de Formation Avancee en Calcul Scientifique France A
Daniel Caya Consortium Ouranos Canada A
Daniel R. Cayan Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego USA A
Anny Cazenave Laboratoire d’Etudes en Géophysique et Océanographie Spatiale (LEGOS), CNES France L
Don Chambers Center for Space Research, The University of Texas at Austin USA A
Mark Chandler Columbia University and NASA GISS USA A
Edmund K.M. Chang Stony Brook University, State University of New York USA A
Ben Chao NASA GISS USA A
Anthony Chen Department of Physics, University of the West Indies Jamaica L
Zhenlin Chen Dept of International Cooperation, China Meteorological Administration China E L L
Amnat Chidthaisong The Joint Graduate School of Energy and Environment, King Mongkut’s University of Technology Thonburi Thailand L L L
Jens Hesselbjerg Christensen Danish Meteorological Institute Denmark A A CL
James Christian Canadian Centre for Climate Modelling and Analysis Canada A
John Christy University of Alabama in Huntsville USA A
John Church CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre Australia A
Philippe Ciais Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement France L
Deborah A. Clark University of Missouri, St. Louis USA A
Garry Clarke Earth and Ocean Sciences, University of British Columbia Canada A
Martin Claussen Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Germany A
Amy Clement University of Miami, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science USA A
J. Graham Cogley Department of Geography, Trent University Canada A
Julia Cole University of Arizona USA A
Mark Collier CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research Australia A
Matthew Collins Hadley Centre UK A
William D. Collins Climate and Global Dynamics Division, NCAR USA A A L
Robert Colman Bureau of Meteorology Research Centre Australia L
Josefi No Comiso NASA, Goddard Space Flight Center USA A A
Thomas J. Conway NOAA, Earth System Research Laboratory USA A
Edward Cook Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory USA A
Elsa Cortijo Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement, CNRS-CEA-UVSQ France A
Curt Covey Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory USA A
Peter M. Cox School of Engineering, Computer Science and Mathematics, University of Exeter UK L
Simon Crooks University of Oxford UK A
Ulrich Cubasch Institut für Meteorologie, Freie Universität Berlin Germany L
Ruth Curry Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution USA A
Pedro Leite Da Silva Dias Universidade de São Paulo Brazil L
Aiguo Dai NCAR USA A
Martin Dameris German Aerospace Center Germany A
Roderik Sylvester Willo van de Wal Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research, Utrecht University Netherlands A
Thomas L. Delworth Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, NOAA USA A
Kenneth L. Denman CCCma and Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada A A CL
Frank Dentener European Commission Joint Research Centre; Institute of Environment and Sustainability Climate Change Unit EU A
Clara Deser NCAR USA A
Klaus Dethloff Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research, Research Unit Potsdam Germany A
Nikolay A. Diansky Institute of Numerical Mathematics, Russian Academy of Sciences Russian Federation A
Robert E. Dickinson School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology USA L
Yihui Ding National Climate Centre, China Meteorological Administration China L
Paul Dirmeyer Center for Ocean-Land-Atmosphere Studies USA A
Martin Dix CSIRO Australia A
Keith Dixon NOAA USA A
Ed Dlugokencky NOAA, Earth System Research Laboratory USA A
Trond Dokken Bjerknes Centre for Climate Research Norway A
Robert van Dorland Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI) Netherlands L A
Nikolai Dotzek Deutsches Zentrum für Luft und Raumfahrt, Institut für Physik der Atmosphäre Germany A
Charles Doutriaux Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison USA, France A
Helge Drange Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center, Bjerknes Centre for Climate Research Norway A
Emmanuelle Driesschaert Université catholique de Louvain, Institut d’Astronomie et de Géophysique G. Lemaitre Belgium A
Jean-Louis Dufresne Laboratoire de Météorologie Dynamique, Institut Pierre Simon Laplace France A A
Jean-Claude Duplessy Centre National dela Recerche Scientifique, Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement France L
Mark Dyurgerov Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research, University of Colorado at Boulder & Department of Geography and Quaternary Geology at Stockholm Sweden, USA A A
David Easterling NOAA, Earth System Research Laboratory USA L A
Michael Eby University of Victoria Canada A
Neil R. Edwards The Open University UK A
Ramón de Elía Ouranos Consortium Canada, Argentina A
James W. Elkins NOAA, Earth System Research Laboratory USA A
Steven Emerson School of Oceanography, University of Washington USA A
Seita Emori National Institute for Environmental Studies and Frontier Research Center for Global Change, Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology Japan A A A
David Etheridge CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research Australia A
Veronika Eyring Deutsches Zentrum für Luft und Raumfahrt, Institut für Physik der Atmosphäre Germany A
David W. Fahey NOAA, Earth System Research Laboratory USA A A L
John Fasullo NCAR USA A
Johannes Feddema University of Kansas USA A
Richard Feely NOAA, Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory USA A
Johann Feichter Max Planck Institute for Meteorology Germany A
Thierry Fichefet Université catholique de Louvain, Institut d’Astronomie et de Géophysique G. Lemaitre Belgium L
Blair Fitzharris Department of Geography, University of Otago New Zealand A
Gregory Flato CCCma Canada L
Dominik Fleitmann Institute of Geological Sciences, University of Bern Switzerland, Germany A
James Rodger Fleming Colby College USA A
Ryan Fogt Polar Meteorology Group, Byrd Polar Research Center and Atmospheric Sciences Program, Department of geography, The Ohio State University USA A
Christopher Folland Hadley Centre UK A
Chris Forest MIT USA A
Piers Forster School of Earth and Environment, University of Leeds UK A A CL A A A A
Peter Foukal Heliophysics, Inc. USA A
Paul Fraser CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research Australia A
Oliver Frauenfeld National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado at Boulder USA, Austria A
Melissa Free Air Resources Laboratory, NOAA USA A
Allan Frei Hunter College, City University of New York USA A
Christoph Frei Federal Office of Meteorology and Climatology MeteoSwiss Switzerland A
Helen Fricker Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego USA A
Pierre Friedlingstein Institut Pierre Simon Laplace, Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l’Environnement France, Belgium L A L
Congbin Fu Start Regional Center for Temperate East Asia, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Chinese Academy of Science China RE
Yoshiyuki Fujii Arctic Environment Research Center, National Institute of Polar Research Japan L
Inez Fung University of California, Berkeley USA A
Reinhard Furrer Colorado School of Mines USA, Switzerland A
Sandro Fuzzi National Research Council, Institute of Atmospheric Sciences and Climate Italy A
John Fyfe CCCma Canada L
Andrey Ganopolski Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Germany A
Xuejie Gao Laboratory for Climate Change, National Climate Centre, China Meteorological Administration China L
Hernan Garcia NOAA, National Oceanographic Data Center USA A
Ricardo García-Herrera Universidad Complutense de Madrid Spain A
Amadou Thierno Gaye Laboratory of Atmospheric Physics, ESP/CAD, Dakar University Senegal L
Marvin Geller Stony Brook University USA A
Peter Gent NCAR USA A
Rüdiger Gerdes Alfred-Wegener-Institute für Polar und Meeresforschung Germany A
Nathan P. Gillett Climatic Research Unit UK L
Filippo Giorgi Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics Italy RE RE
Byron Gleason NCDC, NOAA USA A
Peter Gleckler Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory USA A A A
Sunling Gong Air Quality Researcch Division, Science & Technology Branch, Environment Canada Canada A
Melchor González-Davíla University of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria Spain A
Jesus Fidel González-Rouco Universidad Complutense de Madrid Spain A
Hugues Goosse Université catholique de Louvain Belgium A A
Richard Graham Hadley Centre UK A
Jonathan M. Gregory Department of Meteorology, University of Reading and Hadley Centre UK L L L A A L
Jürgen Grieser Deutscher Wetterdienst, Global Precipitation Climatology Centre Germany A
David Griggs Hadley Centre UK RE
Pavel Groisman University Corporation for Atmospheric Research at the NCDC, NOAA USA, Russian Federation A
Nicolas Gruber Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California, Los Angeles and Department of Environmental Sciences, ETH Zurich USA, Switzerland A A
Richard Gudgel NOAA USA A
G. Hilmar Gudmundsson British Antarctic Survey UK, Iceland A
Alex Guenther NCAR USA A
Sergey Gulev P. P. Shirshov Institute of Oceanography Russian Federation A L
Kevin Gurney Department of Earth and Atmospheric Science, Purdue University USA A
William Gutowski Iowa State University USA A
Christian Haas Alfred Wegener Institute Germany A
Jon Ove Hagen University of Oslo Norway A
Joanna Haigh Imperial College London UK A
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Say, Lucia, is the venerable New York Times standard enough for you?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/world/middleeast/russian-military-uses-syria-as-proving-ground-and-west-takes-notice.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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Lucia Maria

Andrei,

Wow that’s just brilliant coming from the people that strafed a hospital last week for 90 minutes using an AC130 gunship…

At least they admitted that they had done so rather than lying that it wasn’t them and thinking up all manner of other explanations that might account for it, even when culpability is bleeding obvious. And what am i talking about (for those to whom this paragraph goes right over their heads) – why MH-17, of course.

When you blow shit up, mistakes happen. Only the big boys admit to it, however.
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October 15, 2015 7:00pm
blazeoflight

Griff

Facts and logic can never overcome rigid ideology!
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October 15, 2015 7:02pm
Lucia Maria

blazeoflight,

Say, Lucia, is the venerable New York Times standard enough for you?

[link]

Nothing in there about Russia solely taking out ISIS. The closest paragraph to it supports what I’ve been saying.
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October 15, 2015 7:05pm
blazeoflight

Lucia

Actually the US lied continually, progressing from denial to something closer to the truth, eventually, after at least four versions were presented on successive days.

But no mistake was made, in my opinion, based on close observance of the US record from Vietnam to the present day.

The raid was deliberate, and the staff were targets, not collateral damage.
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October 15, 2015 7:08pm
Brigitte

With regards Syria, I’m not taking sides but make the following observations.

In Iraq, no terrorists present, then regime change, and chaos ensued (and continues). In Libya, terrorists present, then regime change, and worse chaos ensued (and continues).

In Syria, attempted regime change, now terrorists present, ….

Now Russia has recently entered the fray and is trying to prevent regime change and get rid of the terrorists. Then, presumably, getting proper opposition parties, and a transition to a new democratic regime. Won’t bet much on the keenness of Putin for that last bit although if Assad is allowed to put his name forward he may just concur to that.

I reckon the first part is worth a go (keep Assad, get rid of ISIS) as history suggests getting rid of Assad first is going to unleash hell that is magnitudes worse than was present from his regime prior to the attempted regime change.
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October 15, 2015 7:08pm
Lucia Maria

Griff,

Is spamming the thread your way of getting attention?
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October 15, 2015 7:10pm
Reid

You really have no idea kowtow
The IPCC hierarchy is the office staff.
All 27 of them.
They organize the process they dont write the reports.

The ipcc process examines the scientific literature using scientist from most of the top university and institutes from around the globe
ie one chapter one report
List of authors of Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis

Never in the history of science have so many been so profoundly wrong and caused so much mental disease in so many, to the distress of so few who simply laugh at them, because they’re such idiots, as proven so simply by merely opening a window and observing what really is happening.
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October 15, 2015 7:10pm
blazeoflight

Lucia, I think the information in the article supports Reid far, far more than your good self, I’m afraid.

Russia has been spectacularly successful in its prime goal: saving Assad.

I make no judgement on the worthiness of that aim.
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October 15, 2015 7:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff
Just looked at your list….
Now that Julia Slingo wouldn’t be Dame Julia… Head of British Met Office who indulges in a spot of nepotism, would it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3239251/Met-Office-created-plum-media-job-daughter-new-230-000-year-science-boss-just-months-graduated.html
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October 15, 2015 7:11pm
kowtow

Grief

That’s one hell of a long list of troughers. No wonder western govts are running deficits.
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October 15, 2015 7:12pm
blazeoflight

Reid @7.10

See my 7.02 comment to Griff.
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October 15, 2015 7:13pm
Lucia Maria

Brigette,

In Iraq, no terrorists present, then regime change, and chaos ensued (and continues)…

Let me stop you right there.

Saddam was a terrorist with a country. He killed his own people. He was also financing the training of terrorists abroad, and would pay the families of Palestinian suicide bombers when they took out an Israeli target. That’s what I can remember off the top of my head …
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October 15, 2015 7:13pm
Lucia Maria

blazeoflight,

Lucia, I think the information in the article supports Reid far, far more than your good self, I’m afraid.

Russia has been spectacularly successful in its prime goal: saving Assad.

Then you have misread what both Reid and I have been saying.
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October 15, 2015 7:15pm
Griff

Maggy Wassilieff (1,984 comments) says:
October 15th, 2015 at 7:11 pm

@Griff
Just looked at your list….
Now that Julia Slingo wouldn’t be Dame Julia… Head of British Met Office who indulges in a spot of nepotism, would it?

ROFL
gee maggy one name out of that list .
What a wonk.
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October 15, 2015 7:19pm
Fletch

griff, the IPCC is populated by quacks and written by young people without qualifications or by those with an agenda.

The former president of a Commission on Sea Level Change, Nils-Axel Mörner, also addressed the House of Lords committee. Mörner, who has 40 years experience in his field, called attention to the disparity between what genuine sea level specialists think and what those who write IPCC reports believe. Those in the second group, he says, lack hands-on expertise.

Instead, they attempt to predict the future via mathematical formulas that have been fed into computers (computer modeling). Mörner told the House of Lords that, between 1999 and 2003, genuine sea level experts held five international meetings to discuss the available real-world evidence. They concluded that sea levels are unlikely to increase by more than 10 cm (4 inches) by the year 2100.

Mörner says the claim that sea levels are rising quickly – or that entire island nations are in imminent danger of drowning – are simply not true. Dr. Gray, the hurricane specialist, resides in America. Dr. Reiter, the malaria expert, works at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Dr. Mörner is the former head of a geodynamics unit at the University of Stockholm, in Sweden. Each of them possesses highly specialized knowledge. Each of them is a seasoned professional with long experience in his field. They are, in other words, exactly the kind of people you’d expect to find at the heart of an organization comprised of world-class scientists examining one of the planet’s most important questions. But they are all IPCC outsiders. This suggests the IPCC defines top scientists and best experts differently than do most of us.

——————-

So if malaria experts aren’t writing the section on malaria in the Climate Bible and world-renowned sea level experts aren’t writing the section on sea levels, who is writing IPCC reports? One group consists of graduate students. Typically these are individuals in their twenties.

Their experience of the world is neither broad nor deep. If they were merely performing administrative tasks that would be one thing. But the IPCC has long relied on their expert judgment. Richard Klein, now a Dutch geography professor, is a classic example.

In 1992 Klein turned 23, completed a Masters degree, and worked as a Greenpeace campaigner. Two years later, at the tender age of 25, he found himself serving as an IPCC lead author. (The IPCC has three classes of writers. Coordinating lead authors are in charge of an entire chapter and are therefore the most senior in rank. Each chapter usually has two. Lead authors are expected to write a significant amount of text. Their numbers vary from a handful to several dozen. Contributing authors provide supplemental knowledge.

They typically don’t participate in the meetings attended by the other two kinds of authors, but are asked to write briefly about a narrow, specific topic. A chapter may have no contributing authors or as many as 20 of them.) Klein’s online biography tells us that, since 1994, he has been a lead author for six IPCC reports. On three of those occasions, beginning in 1997, he served as a coordinating lead author. This means that Klein was promoted to the IPCC’s most senior author role at age 28 – six years prior to the 2003 completion of his PhD. Neither his youth nor his thin academic credentials prevented the IPCC from regarding him as one of the world’s top experts. [footnote 4-1] Nor is he an isolated case.

Laurens Bouwer is currently employed by an environmental studies institute at the VU University Amsterdam. In 1999-2000, he served as an IPCC lead author before earning his Masters in 2001. How can a young man without even a Masters degree become an IPCC lead author? Good question. Nor is it the only one. Bouwer’s expertise is in climate change and water resources. Yet the chapter for which he first served as a lead author was titled Insurance and Other Financial Services. It turns out that, during part of 2000, Bouwer was a trainee at Munich Reinsurance Company. This means the IPCC chose as a lead author someone who a) was a trainee, b) lacked a Masters degree, and c) was still a full decade away from receiving his 2010 PhD. Who else falls into this category?

Step forward Lisa Alexander. As recently as 2008, this woman was a research assistant at Australia’s Monash University. After earning her PhD in 2009, she was hired by another Aussie university – which noted in its announcement that she had already “played a key role” in both the 2001 and 2007 editions of the Climate Bible. (She was a contributing author the first time, and a lead author the second.) The IPCC selected its 2001 authors during 1999. This means its leadership decided that Alexander was a world-class expert 10 years before she, too, had earned her doctorate.

Sari Kovats, currently a lecturer at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, is an even more egregious example. She didn’t earn her PhD until 2010. Yet back in 1994 – 16 years prior to that event and three years before her first academic paper was published – Kovats was one of only 21 people in the entire world selected to work on the first IPCC chapter that examined how climate change might affect human health. In total, Kovats has been an IPCC lead author twice and a contributing author once – all long before she’d completed her PhD.

One of Kovats’ health chapter colleagues was an American named Jonathan Patz. He earned earned a Masters degree in Public Health in 1992 and had his first academic paper published in late 1995. Yet in 1994 the IPCC judged his credentials so impressive he was appointed one of its lead Given the involvement of both Kovats and Patz, Paul Reiter’s description of the IPCC’s 1995 health chapter as amateurish starts to make sense. Rather than recruiting real experts like Reiter the IPCC enlisted young, inexperienced, non-experts instead. It has been doing so since the mid-1990s. Yet in 2011 newspapers still report that the IPCC is a collection of “the world’s leading scientists.”

Laframboise, Donna (2011-10-09). The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert (pp. 10-12). Ivy Avenue Press. Kindle Edition.

http://www.amazon.com/Delinquent-Teenager-Mistaken-Climate-ebook/dp/B005UEVB8Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1335337616&sr=8-2

These are your “experts”
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October 15, 2015 7:19pm
Brigitte

@Lucia,

My recollection is that Saddam (like Gaddhafi & Assad) was referred to as a ‘brutal dictator’ as opposed to ‘terrorist’. He was afterall the elected leader (and I’m sure that there will be arguments about whether they were ‘fair’ or not) whereas terrorists are not.
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October 15, 2015 7:22pm
Tauhei Notts

I have just got my email from John Wilson (Fonterra’s chairman of directors) who tells me that the Fonterra credit downgrade by Standard and Poors will have no impact on the farmers’ payout.
John, let me give you a very basic lesson. This lesson is so short that it will fit within your limited attention span.
“Credibility is like virginity. You only lose it once.”
John, our company has huge indebtedness to banks.
Banks charge a margin above base rate according to a borrower’s credit rating.
John, this part is obviously beyond your exceedingly limited comprehension; if a borrower’s credit rating drops the interest rate charged by lenders rises!
If a company’s cost of borrowing rises, what that company can pay its shareholders drops.
John Wilson; is there any part of the above that you do not understand?
John Wilson; with your idiotic comments you have de-flowered yourself.
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October 15, 2015 7:25pm
Lucia Maria

Brigitte,

My recollection is that Saddam (like Gaddhafi & Assad) was referred to as a ‘brutal dictator’ as opposed to ‘terrorist’. He was afterall the elected leader (and I’m sure that there will be arguments about whether they were ‘fair’ or not) whereas terrorists are not.

Yes, but he actively supported terrorism. If your point was that removing Saddam increased terrorism, you are not taking into account his active support and where that could have lead.
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October 15, 2015 7:26pm
blazeoflight

Lucia

Fine.

I always have to remind myself: never underestimate the power of denial.
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October 15, 2015 7:27pm
Griff

Nils-Axel Mörner,
ROFL

World famous for Photoshopping evidence and being an expert in water divination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel_M%C3%B6rner
I kid you not
Fuck me Fletch you really do believe the utmost nutty crap out there.

from your dribble

A chapter may have no contributing authors or as many as 20 of them

see above for the authors of one chapter and their affiliations
As many as twenty?
This section of the report, Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, assessed current scientific knowledge of “the natural and human drivers of climate change” as well as observed changes in climate. It looked at the ability of science to attribute changes to different causes, and made projections of future climate change.

It was produced by 676 authors (152 lead authors, 26 review editors, and 498 contributing authors) from 40 countries, then reviewed by over 625 expert reviewers. More than 6,000 peer-reviewed publications were cited.[6]

Before being approved, the summary was reviewed line by line by representatives of 113 governments during the 10th session of WGI, in January to February 2007.[7]
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October 15, 2015 7:27pm
Reid

As VVP says Americans have oatmeal between their ears – they are panicking…

Andrei you and I know the people in the WH are not doing that, they’re calculating.

In the interests of injecting some intelligence back into the GD thread, what’s your read on that calculus?

It’s a very dangerous juncture the world is at, as we know.

What do you think they’re thinking, or do you want me to go first? (Which is fine.)
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October 15, 2015 7:32pm
EAD

Truth is treason in an empire of lies:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/10/13/the-mh-17-report-paul-craig-roberts/

“When I read that the report on the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine was being put in the hands of the Dutch, I knew that there would be no investigation and no attention to the facts.

And there wasn’t.

I did not intend to write about the report, because Washington’s propaganda has already succeeded, at least in the Western world, in its purpose of laying the blame on Russia. However, the misrepresentation of the Dutch report by Western media, such as NPR, is so outrageous as to make the media the story and not the report…….

Indeed, the Dutch report does not even consider whether the airliner was downed by Ukrainian fighter jets. The report is as useless as the 9/11 Commission’s report.

Don’t expect any acknowledgement of this by the Western media, a collection of people who lie for a living.

The reason that the West has no future is that the West has no media, only propagandists for government and corporate agendas and apologists for their crimes. Every day the bought-and-paid-for-media sustains The Matrix that makes Western peoples politically impotent.

The Western media has no independence. An editor of a major German newspaper has written a book, a best-seller published in Germany, in which he states that not only he himself served the CIA as a reliable purveyor of Washington’s lies, but that every significant journalist in Europe does so also.

Obviously, his book has not been translated and published in America“

Where have we seen this before – when “inconvenient” books don’t get published in the West? Of course Alexander Solzhenitsyn – the incredible disappearing man:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2015/03/the-incredible-disappearing-man.html?m=1
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October 15, 2015 7:35pm
Reid

Interesting the global MSM surfaces MH17 right at the moment it would be good to have a distraction from the Russian successes in Syria, isn’t it.

What a coincidence.

Well I never.
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October 15, 2015 7:40pm
blazeoflight

Reid

It’s not a conspiracy.

It’s all down to the Hathers

http://tomkenyon.com/who-are-the-hathors
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October 15, 2015 7:45pm
Lucia Maria

blazeoflight,

I always have to remind myself: never underestimate the power of denial.

I really can’t be bothered.

Anyway, Reid, any MSM articles out there of how Russia is causing ISIS to run around in circles?? You are being very quiet.
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October 15, 2015 7:46pm
Reid

When you blow shit up, mistakes happen. Only the big boys admit to it, however.

But what if you didn’t blow it up Lucia.

What if some of the US-sponsored Ukrainian “freedom fighters” blew it up, then you found the entire Western MSM was alleging you had?

What then?

How would you, if you had to, play that geopolitical hand?

Enter the mind of Lucia, playing Putin.

Act I:

Floor is yours Lucia.

Anyway, Reid, any MSM articles out there of how Russia is causing ISIS to run around in circles?? You are being very quiet.

Did you read Pablo’s article?

Thoughts?
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October 15, 2015 7:48pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Interesting the global MSM surfaces MH17 right at the moment it would be good to have a distraction from the Russian successes in Syria, isn’t it.

What a coincidence.

Yeah, nothing to do with the Dutch Safety Board releasing their long awaited report. It’s all about distracting us.

So, I’m guessing you’ve searched for MSM reporting of Russia causing ISIS to run around in circles and only found reporting on MH-17. That would suck.

Edited to add: I don’t know what you are referring to with regard to Pablo’s article.
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October 15, 2015 7:52pm
Brigitte

Having read the MH17 report (and appendices) I must say it is surprisingly robust and mostly politically neutral with one notable exception.

That relates to the area from where the missile was launched. They correctly note that it was a large area (my impression was that it should have been larger still) but they had inexplicably asked Almaz (the maker of the Buk) to give a location based on one very specific missile final location/path at impact. That is why Almaz cried foul and did their own press conference (with payback by way of an equally extreme example location). I got the distinct feeling that the Dutch were coerced into adding that section which seemed incongruous and was in no way as rigorous as the rest of the report.

I suspect both the Russians and the Americans know who did it but they both obviously have their (differing) reasons for not supplying the required evidential proof. Politics being more important than a few hundred lives naturally.
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October 15, 2015 7:52pm
EAD

The good news is Reid is that the scales are beginning to fall from the eyes because of what is going on in Syria.

It is so blatant and obvious that its no longer considered “conspiracy theory” to believe that either the West or else Qatar and Saudi Arabia have provided some type of assistance to ISIS.

Unless of course you’re an oatmeal head…
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October 15, 2015 7:54pm
Andrei

I suspect both the Russians and the Americans know who did it but they both obviously have their (differing) reasons for not supplying the required evidential proof.

Of course they do – this occurred during a major battle and when NATO was conducting “exercises” in the Black Sea immediately to the South. They had every asset possible monitoring this exact area – you wouldn’t have been able to take a shit in the area without NATO knowing…..
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October 15, 2015 8:00pm
Lucia Maria

Well, dinner is made and I’m off to watch something on the TVNZ website. Probably won’t come back as I lose all interest to argue after dinner (have to do the dishes and all the night time stuff, as well as sleep). So this is it.
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October 15, 2015 8:07pm
Griff

Is it full moon ?
The loons are out in force.
A CT a Putin lover and a Nazi went into a bar………..
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October 15, 2015 8:11pm
nasska

God decides to destroy the world and calls the leaders of the 3 strongest countries to inform them for that.
After that the Russian leader on his speech on TV he says;
“I have good news and bad news
The good news is that God really exists so we were right all the time to believe in him.
The bad news is that He decided to bring the world to an end in 1 week”.
The China’s leader also makes a TV speech;
“I only bring bad news from my meeting with God
He actually exists so it was our mistake not to believe in him and we will be punished for that afterlife and he decided to end our world in 1 week”.
The American leader on his TV speech, he says;
“I am happy to bring you only good news from God;
First I must tell you that I met him and can assure you that he actually exists.
And second he told me that he will finish our work in only 1 week”.
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October 15, 2015 8:16pm
Reid

Of course they do – this occurred during a major battle and when NATO was conducting “exercises” in the Black Sea immediately to the South. They had every asset possible monitoring this exact area – you wouldn’t have been able to take a shit in the area without NATO knowing…..

Yes.

So if they had evidence, you can bet by now they’d have used it.

Instead, the Court of Innuendo is in session.

Justice Sheeple presiding.

Jurors go:

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Challenge!

Your Worship, that sheeple didn’t go Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa enough.
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October 15, 2015 8:19pm
nasska

Interviewer: “Have you ever been romantically involved with a sheep?”

Welshman: “No. I wouldn’t say there was any romance involved.”
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October 15, 2015 8:20pm
Griff

“A man walked into a public library and circumspectly approached the desk. He lowered his voice. ‘Have you any books on Conspiracy Theories?’ The librarian leaned forward and murmured into his ear: ‘They’re behind you’.
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October 15, 2015 8:21pm
Griff

A hillbilly and his dog are shipwrecked onto a deserted island. After a few days he decides to reconnoiter the island. He discovers that the only other inhabitants are sheep. He recalls how his farm buddies would brag how they would screw sheep for kicks and he says to himself: ‘I’ll never be that desperate.’

Sooooo, a few days later he can’t get those sheep out of his mind, and soon he’s sneaking up on the flock. Just as he is about to pounce on a really cute one, the dog grabs his leg and won’t let go. He snaps to, and thanks the dog for keeping him from making a fool of himself. This same scene happens every night for a month and the guy is really getting pissed at the dog.

Suddenly one day, the hillbilly spies a liferaft bobbing in the surf. In the raft is a beautiful young girl, half dead but alive. He takes her back to his hut revives her and nurses her to health. After a few days the girl is feeling fine, and that evening a rush of gratitude sweeps over her….

She confronts the hillbilly: ‘I owe you my life. I’m yours forever. I’ll do anything you want’

‘Anything?’

‘Anything!!’

‘OK, hold that dog for ten minutes!!!’
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October 15, 2015 8:27pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s01ihtmg8j8gpt4/UT%2030.jpg?dl=0
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October 15, 2015 8:28pm
Griff

3 kids in school one day.
The teacher asks them, “What do cows say?”
Amy replies “moo!”
Teacher then asks, “What do sheep say?”
Jack replies, “baa!”
Teacher then asks, “What do pigs say?”
Honi says “Freeze motherfucker, what’s in the fuckin’ bag?”
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October 15, 2015 8:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Lucia Maria

(have to do the dishes

What are husbands for?
Why do children exist?
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October 15, 2015 8:36pm
nasska

You’re a hard woman Maggy. 🙂
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October 15, 2015 8:38pm
Gabby

If the 17% who earn more than $70k and pay 58% of the income tax, earn more than 58% of total income, they’re probably doing all right. Not that that would stop them whining.
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October 15, 2015 8:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

You’re a hard woman Maggy.

but a fabulous cook…..
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October 15, 2015 8:53pm
Manolo

The old clown is urged to make a decision: http://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-press-joe-biden-to-make-decision-on-running-for-presidency-1444863660

Time is running out for Vice President Joe Biden to make a decision about his political future, and so is the patience of his party.
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October 15, 2015 8:59pm
Manolo

Mamma Merkel will pay the high political price: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34535983

Lots of casually dressed, smiley very middle-class Germans – some with children, others with dogs, chatting animatedly in beautiful parkland on the outskirts of Hamburg on a sunny Sunday afternoon. But this was indeed a protest group, putting together a petition in an attempt to stop a new refugee centre being built on the green.

“I don’t think Angela Merkel has any idea what she started,” Birgit concluded.
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October 15, 2015 9:02pm
itstricky

If the 17% who earn more than $70k and pay 58% of the income tax, earn more than 58% of total income, they’re probably doing all right. Not that that would stop them whining.

They’re the ones who really like to let you know they’re really working hard, Gabby. And they’re almost inevitably “long suffering” as well. You’d think if they whined less, they could work harder and make more.
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October 15, 2015 9:05pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_XHkgScOSY
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October 15, 2015 9:10pm
Reid

You’d think if they whined less, they could work harder and make more.

Exactly tricky.

I must say, I’m very impressed.

I mean, it’s taken you simply ages, but finally, fucking finally, you’ve arrived in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Well done mate. Good on you.

Congratulations.
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October 15, 2015 9:17pm
Brigitte

Shades of David Bowie “Putting out the fire with gasoline”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/van-full-of-ammo-fire_561f023ee4b0c5a1ce6205ba
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October 15, 2015 9:19pm
SPC

But pray address the primary question first: are all reports of ISIS being hammered, false, and if not, how come the US couldn’t achieve the same in 12 full months

The reports are of the rebels being hit hard in Syria, the largely IS areas not the main focus.

The USA attacks were most effective where the Kurds followed up with ground assaults.

The Russians are attacking areas where ground forces can follow up – this excludes IS from being a major target in the short term.
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October 15, 2015 9:22pm
Scott Chris

Yes, but he actively supported terrorism.

Yeah but so did Ronald Reagan. Still, foreign induced regime changes rarely do less harm than good. Can’t think of many off the top of my head… Bosnia maybe… oh and didn’t the Vietnamese get rid of Pol Pot?
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October 15, 2015 9:23pm
Scott Chris

The devout cowboy lost his favorite Bible while he was mending fences out on the range. Three weeks later, a sheep walked up to him carrying the Bible in its mouth. The cowboy couldn’t believe his eyes. He took the precious book out of the sheep’s mouth, raised his eyes heavenward and exclaimed, “It’s a miracle!” “Not really,” said the sheep. “Your name is written inside the cover.”
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October 15, 2015 9:31pm
itstricky

I mean, it’s taken you simply ages, but finally, fucking finally, you’ve arrived in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Well done mate. Good on you.

Bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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October 15, 2015 9:41pm
cha

France’s top weatherman has been suspended

Yeah, a link to link to a HuffPost article in frog is as clear as mud.
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October 15, 2015 10:35pm
starboard

another day another maori baby beaten and dead.

True fucking warriors alright. Scum bastards.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72374978/matiu-wereta-named-as-dead-hawkes-bay-toddler-in-assault-case
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October 15, 2015 11:12pm
starboard

Yes down tick me for telling the truth..in fact I’m the bad man because I’m pointing out what murderous scum murri are.

Naughty me..meanwhile others bury their pathetic heads in the sand and shriek r-a-c-i-s-t a-s-s-h-o-l-e !!
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October 16, 2015 12:35am
Manolo

The NZ Luddites will be proud.

Closing ranks behind the crook: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3273404/Democratic-National-Committeewoman-says-party-clearing-path-Hillary-women-charge-want-way.html

The Democratic National Committee is ‘clearing a path’ for Hillary Clinton to be its presidential nominee because its upper power echelons are populated with women, according to a female committee member who was in Las Vegas for Tuesday’s primary debate.
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October 16, 2015 7:30am
Manolo

National security in the hands of these people? http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425641/huma-abedin-email-address-discovered-benghazi-committee-testimony

Technical issues seemed to plague Clinton’s private e-mail server at times, driving State Department aides and Clinton Foundation employees to use government or private accounts to reach Clinton and her top staff.

“Is your e-mail working?” Abedin wrote to Clinton Foundation executive director Stephanie Streett on October 10, 2012. “Mine has been down [since] last night.” Abedin later added that she “can’t even get into my Clinton e-mail.”
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October 16, 2015 7:42am
Black with a Vengeance

another day another maori baby beaten and dead.

True fucking warriors alright. Scum bastards.

Make your mind up fuckwit!

Shouldn’t you be happy maori are killing their own kids so they don’t grow up to be feral or are you pissed off you won’t have the opportunity to kill them as teenagers ?
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October 16, 2015 7:50am
Manolo

An economic powerhouse and corrupt banana-republic: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/15/brazil-impeachment-economy-crisis-corruption

Brazil desperately needs strong leadership to overcome the country’s worst economic crisis in decades, but the most powerful figures in the country’s government and legislature – president Dilma Rousseff and the speaker of the lower house Eduardo Cunha – are inching ever closer to an impeachment showdown.
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October 16, 2015 7:53am
Griff

To make up his mind first he would need to have one

Manolo Luddite?
Would that be Carson who believes in a literal interpretation of the bible should be taught in schools as science.
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