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Meatloaf

Griff, in case your not aware of it, I don’t have children, so no your not paying for my reproductive costs. If we altogether got rid of working for families we could reduce taxes across the, this way those who are earning, can have children, and those who aren’t won’t. In your last post you are saying nothing that refutes anything that I’ve said. Its simple I asked you a question about how big a population we can handle, you couldn’t answer it directly, you uploaded a video, it finally gave an answer. And now you are sidetracking the show.
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October 12, 2015 1:23pm
Paulus Gnome

‘I guess that now the Govt. will take it and gift it to some Maori outfit., won’t they?’

And they will flush it down the toilet as their southern cousins made making a success of something look really easy
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October 12, 2015 1:30pm
stigie

“Do you appreciate that if you do anything, once elected, in relation to the claimed debt, you will be guilty of corruption”?

Bwahahahahahaha….. She is already corrupt…?
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October 12, 2015 1:46pm
Griff

Its simple.
How much energy does a person use ?
How much do they need ?
How can the third world get to the same economic position as us without emitting as much CO2 per capita.
How can we in the first world reduce our emitting to a low enough level over the next few decades to not blow the 2 degrees limit we have agreed to in intentional treaty’s
The answer in the video is we can not.
At lest as the worlds economy now operate and the technology’s and time frame we have .
IE we are fucked.

By the way you have said a load of wobbly rubbish that fails to make sense in regards to the question you are apparently asking me.
I haven’t refuted you because I can not understand what the fuck you think are saying in the regard of the question you think you are asking .
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October 12, 2015 1:50pm
Paulus Gnome

Is this the new planking asks the horrid.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11527681

I really hope so, only to see the bow tied bouffanted buffoon who was an early adopter and demonstrated his planking skills when the stupid craze first appeared, adopts this one.

A visual image for the trip home; the btbb naked and tied up like a chook waiting for the spit roast skewer.

I’d pay money to see that, disturbing as the image is!
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October 12, 2015 1:51pm
Jacob

“Confirmed” Auckland mayoral Candidate

Bright – But keep ‘nit-picking’ Jacob!

Not really ‘nit-picking’, rather just wondering if the “confirmed” was as spurious self-proclaimed nomenclature as the “public”watchdog thingie.
Apparently it is.
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October 12, 2015 2:03pm
Griff

Minor correction SGA
Famine pestilence war and death would do the work for you leaving the fifth horseman to ride unchecked.
Kaos
http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Kaos
But if it does get down to that what is left will not be what we call human civilization.
The earth of course doesn’t give a toss one way or another.
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October 12, 2015 2:12pm
Brigitte

@Griff & Meatloaf,

Having read your exchange I’ve got an interesting idea. We collect all the worlds politicians and fly them to the Climate Change talks. They have to reduce emissions by 90% – either by reducing their countries output and/or (and this is the ‘fun’ bit) reducing their numbers by the requisite percentage. (Thus no emission change = euthanase 90% of them). D’ya reckon this would fly?
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October 12, 2015 2:13pm
SGA

@Griff
Sorry Griff, I deleted that comment – suddenly thought, do I really want to get dragged into a AGW debate…
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October 12, 2015 2:14pm
Griff

Brigitte
We could do the talks off planet and give them only enough juice for a one way trip?
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October 12, 2015 2:15pm
Griff

You dont have to play climate ball tm.
Your comment was returned with a laugh.:lol:
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October 12, 2015 2:16pm
dime

This TPP thing is hilarious.

The bitch from auckland uni wont stop whinging.

Latest news – the govt could bail out Air NZ if it got into trouble.. They will be able to set up an SOE to do things like an under water cable etc

Apparently thats just not good enough for Kelsey haha

it must suck balls being so vocal for so long and then finding out you were just WRONG.

a normal response would be – shit! ah well, take it on the chin.

a lefty response – im still right! JK and the TPP are the devil bahaha
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October 12, 2015 2:38pm
Nukuleka

Has anyone else noticed that in DPF’s online poll about the flag he doesn’t refer to the New Zealand flag as ‘the New Zealand flag’ but deliberately makes reference to the Union Jack. Now he wouldn’t be trying to manipulate the voters’ attitudes, would he? And why aren’t we able to vote just for ONE flag instead of having to list all SIX in preference? This, similarly, wouldn’t be an attempt to gerrymander the results, would it? Why is he not following the pattern of the TWO referenda that he so fulsomely supports but conflates the two referenda into just one poll.

Watch for the skewed results being touted as proof positive that a majority of people want a change in the flag. The way the poll has been constructed is a deliberate attempt to do exactly that!!
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October 12, 2015 2:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Meatloaf

I have seen various projections for human population over the decades. Perhaps its easiest to work with the current UN Population Division models based on each nation’s current growth rate
http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Publications/Files/Key_Findings_WPP_2015.pdf

UNPD 2015 is predicting global population of just over 9 billion by 2050 and somewhere around 11 billion by 2100.

Of course, no-one knows for sure….. Europe’s birth rate might rise a bit if immigration from sub Sahara- Middle east continues apace.

Can we feed that many people?…. should be able to, considering that about one third of the food produced at present ends up as waste.

Energy/CO2 considerations as developing countries bring their populations into middle-classes are far too speculative.
here’s a couple of papers discussing this
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/pdfs/OSUCarbonStudy.pdf
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/20141019-Pachauri-NCC.html

I would imagine water distribution/allocation will be a major determinant of future population size.
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October 12, 2015 3:28pm
Reid

The Obama administration’s “Topple Assad” plan is doomed, US journalist Mike Whitney notes, adding that by tweaking its war on terror narrative and inventing “bad” and “good” terrorists Washington has backed itself “into an ideological cul-de-sac from which there is no way out…”

…Russia has seriously complicated Washington’s game in the Middle East, frustrating US warhawks, including America’s prominent geopolitical strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski…

…Brzezinski could not help himself from recommending the Obama administration to threaten Moscow “to retaliate if Russia does not stop attacking US assets in Syria.”

But what “assets” Brzezinski was referring to?

“The people who Brzezinski breezily refers to as “American assets” in Syria are terrorists. It’s that simple,” Whitney remarked, adding that “Brzezinski is the spiritual godfather of Islamic extremism, the man who figured out how religious nutcases could be used to foment hysteria and advance US geopolitical objectives around the world…”

…While twisting its war on terror narrative and inventing “good” and “bad” terrorists, the Obama administration has now found itself in a tight corner…

“…Putin is going to win this battle. [Washington’s] plans for regime change through the use of jihadi-proxies will have failed, and Putin will have moved the Middle East one step closer to lasting peace and genuine security. That’s the silver lining and that’s how the war in Syria will end…”

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151011/1028365552.html

Michael Weiss, the famous Zen Buddhist and editor of the award-winning poetry digest, The Interpreter, has really outdone himself with this magnificent headline:

Russia’s Giving ISIS An Air Force
Putin’s air campaign in Syria is not only supporting Assad, it’s giving cover to fighters from the so-called Islamic State.

Stay tuned for Michael’s next installment, “The Russian Air Force removed Syrian babies from their incubators, left them on the floor to die.”

Desperate Western Media: Russia Is Helping ISIS!
Business Insider claims that ISIS is advancing towards Aleppo, thanks in part to Russian air strikes targeting ISIS. Makes sense.

Translation from Arabic: “Thank you for bombing us, Russia”
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October 12, 2015 5:20pm
Reid

why aren’t we able to vote just for ONE flag instead of having to list all SIX in preference?

Because everyone in the National Party plays Sudoko and the only way you can get your particular preference up the top in that game is to use a Sudoko double-blind Bishop’s Gambit with a half-twist back flip while holding your ankles and kissing your own arse at the same time.

As it happens the caucus is very good indeed at doing that so they thought (being bastard uncaring conservatives) that if they had to learn how to do that just to get their own way on some minor policy matter that the Treasury wouldn’t otherwise agree to pay for, then the whole country needed to, as well.
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October 12, 2015 5:30pm
Reid

Denier swine.

Judges plan to outlaw climate change ‘denial’
A semi-secret, international conference of top judges proposed to make illegal any opinion that contradicted climate change

In 2013, the year scientists had forecast that the Arctic would be ‘ice free’, its thickness increased by a third

Judges imprison Sun and Earth for not cooperating.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11924776/Judges-plan-to-outlaw-climate-change-denial.html
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October 12, 2015 5:42pm
Reid

This is why China’s winning.

Instead of weeping, wailing, rending clothes, donning hairshirts and generally munting around like a broken pencil, it gives its poor widdle victims addicted to computer games real guns and sends them to military training. What a winner. Imagine how well adjusted those little guys are going to be when they grow up.

https://www.rt.com/news/318238-china-military-rehab-children/
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October 12, 2015 5:48pm
stephieboy

Reid, utter crap and yet again uselessly parroting Kremlin based propoganda !

e.g “Brzezinski is the spiritual godfather of Islamic extremism, the man who figured out how religious nutcases could be used to foment hysteria and advance US geopolitical objectives around the world…”

Thus it was utterly wrong for the US to back and arm the Muhajadeen and give the Soviet Union a blank cheque to invade and occupy Afghanistan and prop up it’s puppet ?

“Putin is going to win this battle… Desperate Western Media … “”

Pure crude rhetoric and crude propaganda that even Stalin and Beria would envy !

“Business Insider claims that ISIS is advancing towards Aleppo, thanks in part to Russian air strikes targeting ISIS. Makes sense.”

Yeah rightie , rightie as the Kremlin tries out a slippery attempt at newspeak !
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October 12, 2015 5:49pm
Reid

There was another school shooting today and it’s taking top billing as the top news story of the day on all major networks. All press resources are apparently being directed to North Arizona University where one student is dead and three others are injured after a freshman opened fire on a group of students.

While this is being reported on with all the drama and caliber of a mass shooting like, say, the Oregon shooting, if you actually read the story, you’ll find out it isn’t the same at all.

Two groups of students got into a fight that escalated to this shooting. One of the groups involved Delta Chi Fraternity members. One guy had a gun. The suspect did not leave the scene and was promptly arrested without further incident according to USA Today. This is nothing like the traditional mass shooting that the media usually pounces on.

In fact, worse shooting altercation stories come out of Chicago on any given weekend.

So why is the media pushing this one as top story in America as if it’s another Columbine, Aurora, or Sandy Hook?

Probably to keep what’s going on with Russia and Syria out of the headlines.

Right now, Russia has reportedly disabled ISIS more in a week than the Pentagon has in over a year after spending billions…

That’s newspeak sillyboy. Real. Here. Now. Today.

No surprise, you don’t get it. You never will.
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October 12, 2015 6:00pm
Griff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaHAvEEbQOE
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October 12, 2015 6:05pm
stephieboy

The whole dumb conspiracy that ISIS was a creation of the CIA and Israel: a beginners guide ,

The basics,

“The whole middle East has been a war zone for years, after all, NATO and the Soviet Union fought the cold war by proxy there from the 50’s onwards. Both the US and the soviets flooded the area with every kind of weapon you can think of from combat knives to fighter jets and battle tanks for years, each supplying their own pet governments and rebel groups. These weapons soon found their way onto the terrorist markets and into the hands of every group from the South American ‘shining path’ guerrillas to the IRA, ETA and beyond. So much so that by the 1970’s the combo of semtex explosives, the trusty AK-47 and a Smith and Weston side arm was the kit of choice for the discerning terrorist / freedom fighter no matter where they were in the world, and most of that gear came from the middle east.

Now in the past 20 years or so there’s been the Iran / Iraq war with the US supplying the Iraqis. then there’s been the two gulf wars with lots of US weapons in use, and as mentioned above the US equipping of the Iraqi forces since the end of GW2. Then there’s the civil war in Syria and the still on going ad oft over looked Kurdish conflict with Turkey, not to mention areas like the Yemen which have large numbers of tribal areas and the internal disputes that go with them. All of which means guns of all types from every nation that makes them are going to be available in the region. You have also got to bear in mind that the region is going to be a magnet for every arms dealer on the planet, and rest assured that if military style assault weapons are available over the counter in American high street stores, through third and fourth party dealers the same weapons are gonna show up in the Middle east.

So the fact that US weapons and equipment show up in ISIS videos just shows US weapons are available to them, not proof that the CIA is giving them the weapons directly.”

And of course the capture of T55 and T62 tanks and other Russian weapons can be put down to procurement from Israeli CIA secret bases !

https://www.metabunk.org/claim-isis-created-and-supported-by-the-cia.t5429/

This is interesting ,

ISIS weapons inventory guide,

http://conflictarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Dispatch_IS_Iraq_Syria_Weapons.pdf

And surprise , surprise one of the conspiracy doyens who originated the myth- non other than than the redoubtable idiocrat Alex Jones ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfBBF4_hkDQ
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October 12, 2015 6:07pm
Griff

We could start playing this stephieboy
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Conspiracy_theorist_Bingo
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October 12, 2015 6:15pm
stephieboy

Griff ,sure and Reid just a reminder of a Zed Gardner.com piece of lunacy .

The True purpose of Chem Trails,

http://www.zengardner.com/true-purpose-chemtrails/
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October 12, 2015 6:18pm
Reid

I prefer this one on Mondays Griff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9EDciaQ64
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October 12, 2015 6:19pm
tf78

Re :” Pact with Nats makes Mayor Goff a done deal”. (according to NBR). Apparently Desley Simpson denied there is any deal with Goff.
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October 12, 2015 6:25pm
Griff

Hay Reid have you booked in your pets yet ?
http://www.postrapturepetcare.com/
http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/
I offer the same service in nz
only 99.99 bucks
Unmarked bills prefer the new ones thanks.
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October 12, 2015 6:25pm
nasska

Let me know if you need an agent in the lower North Island Griff.

I’m really looking forward to the Raptures. From memory we get rid of at least 144,000 Godnutters in one hit.

Imagine the peace! 🙂
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October 12, 2015 6:35pm
Reid

Reid just a reminder of a Zed Gardner.com piece of lunacy .

But stupidboy, what does that have to do with the point at hand: the school shooting the US media is using as a distraction to take the Russian ISIS successes off the radar of the sheeple?

Why don’t you just Google “us shooting today” and see what happens.

Is Google a “piece of lunacy” or does the lunacy lie elsewhere? If so, where?
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October 12, 2015 6:37pm
mikenmild

I’m pretty sure I could offer a more complete post-Rapture Service for $666.00. This would include personally notifying friends that you were right all along.
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October 12, 2015 6:38pm
Griff

Imagine the peace.
fuck that nasska imagine the totally legal hedonistic party’s we could have.
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October 12, 2015 6:40pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iql8kdeuhq02cwf/Rapture%202.jpg?dl=0
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October 12, 2015 6:40pm
EAD

Stephieboy,

Alex Jones is nothing but a disinformation agent, used to discredit the opinions of all those in this world who seek truth as being crazy, borderline insane nutters. “Conspiracy Theorists” if you will.

About 50% of what he says is spot on and the rest is a load of horse shit intended to misdirect.

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/david-duke-destroys-kosher-conspiracy.html?m=1

“For the inquiring mind trying to understand the world around them, its horrors and injustices, its Thought Crimes and taboos, it’s elites and what precisely their agenda is and who they are, the road to enlightenment is beset with blind alleys and dead ends. Alex Jones purpose is to redirect the ire of his predominantly European audience away from the true power and instead into a never ending maze of Illuminati, Knights Templar, Ancient bloodlines and Chemtrails gibberish. The most important issue for Jones is that Jewish power in politics, finance and the media is never discussed”
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October 12, 2015 6:48pm
Reid

Alex Jones is nothing but a disinformation agent.

Yes. You’d think they might get a clue from the fact none of us ever quote him, wouldn’t you. Wonder why stephie missed that rather blatant clue?

You don’t think he’s an … do you?
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October 12, 2015 6:51pm
nasska

…..” About 50% of what he says is spot on and the rest is a load of horse shit intended to misdirect. “….

Don’t knock the man EAD…..he still beats your batting average by a country mile. 🙂
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October 12, 2015 6:53pm
mikenmild

Alex Jones: too cranky for EAD and Reid. Not anti-Semitic enough, apparently.
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October 12, 2015 6:54pm
Manolo

Calling a spade a spade: http://news.yahoo.com/trump-brands-merkel-migrant-policy-insane-172608141.html

“What she’s done in Germany is insane. It’s insane.”
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October 12, 2015 6:54pm
starboard

evenin arse punchers , been a busy day. I tell ya , I’ve never seen so many Chinese in Queenstown. Man have they got money to spend. $$ are not a problem , one guy tipped me a crisp one hundy today for a 30 minute flight around the mountains. S’boards happy.
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October 12, 2015 6:59pm
itstricky

Alex Jones is nothing but a disinformation agent, used to discredit the opinions of all those in this world who seek truth as being crazy, borderline insane nutters.

So one guy fights all the varied views and opinions that you have, as opposed to you just being obviously wrong on most of them. Only a conspiracy nut could dream that up!
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October 12, 2015 7:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

In my opinion Public Dog wants the house sold. It is obviously owned buy some sort of Trust and the Trustees/Settlors will be in litigation with the Council, crying wolf and wanting compensation.
Then Public Dog will camp in a tent and protest outside the property. I would not buy that house.

Kind Regards,
Steve (North Shore)

Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1984. Fuck I got really trolleyed
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October 12, 2015 7:01pm
SPC

There is one true CT and the others are pretenders or disinformation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
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October 12, 2015 7:21pm
Reid

Tricky if you don’t know how it works you’re unlikely to discern issues such as who is pretending and who isn’t, are you.

Just like the idiots here who hallucinate ISIS isn’t a UKUSA operation. I mean how dumb can you be.

I know you’re not that dumb, but you are being, on Jones. It’s well known.
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October 12, 2015 7:25pm
SPC

First Lady in pants aspirant Ms Clinton calls for regulation of the financial sector

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11527475
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October 12, 2015 7:26pm
stigie

Fly ya chopper down into Hagley Park Starbored, there would be quite a few after dark that would want a ride and if you were good lookin,the tips would be endless ole chap !~
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October 12, 2015 7:29pm
nasska

ISIS has always seemed to me to be sponsored by Saudi Arabia Reid. It is probably laundering their oil production & the extreme cruelty & extremism of ISIS is straight Saudi Wahhabism.

Good luck with proving UK or USA involvement.
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October 12, 2015 7:32pm
SPC

EAD

The most important issue for Jones is that Jewish power in politics, finance and the media is never discussed”

IMO, conflating the problem of money and influence in politics, finance and media, with Jews, undermines popular will to address that problem by tainting the issue with anti-Semitism.
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October 12, 2015 7:33pm
nasska

Dad’s gliding partner is tied up at the moment stigie.

He might enjoy a chopper ride. 🙂
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October 12, 2015 7:34pm
starboard

S’pose ya mamas waiting stigie , tell ‘er to bring the paper bag again. Mate Ive seen some ugly wimin in my time but she should be haunting houses pal.
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October 12, 2015 7:36pm
Reid

Good luck with proving UK or USA involvement.

Gee nasska, you mean facts like how come the UKUSA bomb ISIS for a whole year with no results vs Russia doing it for a week results in ISIS running round in circles bumping into each other, means nothing to you?
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October 12, 2015 7:39pm
stephieboy

EAD and Reid, yes and I’ve heard that Jones has been described a s Zionist shill etc .

Does this fellow take your fancy then ?

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=https://yt3.ggpht.com/-oudlgJYOr68/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/2yzyE5X8PcM/s900-c-k-no/photo.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.youtube.com/user/JRense&h=900&w=900&tbnid=35gCaCj1GwzvCM:&tbnh=186&tbnw=186&usg=__PGW_Qu7dS6_Dq1S16MFa8n9GiIo=&docid=bW9YdrBWbIPozM&itg=1&client=safari
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October 12, 2015 7:40pm
mikenmild

I’m a bit undecided about this one:
http://legalnewsline.com/stories/510641872-calif-residents-sue-homeopathic-manufacturer-claim-products-do-not-work-as-advertised
On the one hand, peddlers of homeopathy and other woo should be exposed whenever possible.
On the other hand, people buying homeopathic remedies in the first place must know that it’s a crock of shit.
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October 12, 2015 7:42pm
Viking2

So we have discussed evoting a few times around this place. Plenty of negative shit BUT here is an example in the real world for you all to chatter over.

Estonia is arguably the most advanced country in the world when it comes to use of the Internet and related technologies. Estonia is a most improbable success, in that a mere quarter of a century ago it was still under domination of the Soviet Union as a very poor backwater on the Baltic Sea. Now it is a developed country and a member of both the EU and NATO.

Estonia has also been a leader in Internet voting, taxpaying, banking, ticket services, drug prescriptions, schooling at all levels, etc. Using only their PC and ID card, Estonians can now do all of the necessary work to establish a new business in as few as 18 minutes.
The Estonians are also using e-government to both open and streamline government information and decision making. For instance, the public can now get access to “every piece of draft law that has been submitted since February 2003.”

The Estonians now have the rule of law, the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio in the EU, a balanced budget, free trade, and a flat-rate income tax — all of which have led to their high economic growth and prosperity.
———————-
Seems like something to aspire to rather rapidly I’d suggest, especially the last part.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2015/10/richard-rahn-why-estonia-is-country-for.html
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October 12, 2015 7:46pm
nasska

….”how come the UKUSA bomb ISIS for a whole year with no results”….

I never suggested that ISIS wasn’t useful from the UK/USA POV Reid. They may not have been all that concerned with accuracy but still doesn’t prove much. You don’t have to try very hard to get Muslims to kill each other & generally if you wait a month or two they’ll start hostilities all by themselves.

That aside, I never thought I’d see the day I was behind Russian involvement anywhere. Contrary to the emotions of the bleeding hearts Assad is a better option than a ME aflame from Libya to Turkey.
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October 12, 2015 7:51pm
stigie

It’s getting dark Starbored, get that chopper fueled up and head directly into Hagley. Dad will be waiting in anticipation down in the south western corner of the park. Give him a good ride, thats a decent chap…?
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October 12, 2015 7:58pm
nasska

If you ask nicely he’ll probably take his dentures out first! 🙂
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October 12, 2015 8:01pm
stephieboy

Reid, also do recall that the US have decided not to bomb civilian population centres like Mosul and Aleppo . Assad and Patin have apparently no such scruples .

Additionally ISIS have a coherent and systematic albeit brutally simplistic ideology that attracts a disaffected and alienated youth and others similar to Nazism .
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October 12, 2015 8:01pm
SPC

There is a pattern of

American support for Islamist rebellion against left wing regimes (market capitalism in alliance with Saudi Arabia) in Moslem populated regions.
Russian support for left wing regimes against Islamist rebellion.

It started in Afghanistan. It went onto Iraq – removal of the secular socialist Baath regime. To Libya. To Syria.

The USA allies Saudi Arabia and Turkey have an ambition for a Sunni Moslem governance in north Iraq and Syria – while the Americans pay lip service to Iraqi border integrity and democracy with regime change in Syria (regime defeat would be another failed state soon ruled by IS), they are doing little.

However by entering into a Treaty with Teheran, the Americans are moving to a more neutral position on the Sunni-Shia divide. Which is why the Russians made their move to secure the Damascus regime survival. Similarly they moved when the West indicated a lack of will to get directly involved in Syria when they promoted the chemical weapons agreement. The Russians expect Obama to accept new facts on the ground as they occur. The rebels have to lose before IS can be defeated, but the USA cannot abandon the FSA, so Russia will eliminate them and solve that problem.
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October 12, 2015 8:06pm
SPC

reid,

UKUSA bomb ISIS for a whole year with no results

The thing is that bombing has to be followed up by ground forces to be effective. Only where Kurds have been on the ground has this occurred. And their capacity and ambition for expansion is limited.

The Russians will have more impact because Syrian ground forces will follow up – why the rebels closer to Syrian government forces are being targeted most rather than the more remote IS forces to the far north and east.
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October 12, 2015 8:16pm
EAD

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-11/viral-video-claims-prove-us-support-isis-iraq
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October 12, 2015 8:17pm
stephieboy

EAD, zero hedge proves no such thing with typically many “maybes”, could be’s and “yet to be confirmed ” re the parachutes etc . Thus nothing really proved except conspiracy type speculation and surmise.

The Qatar pipeline reminds of the conspiracy behind the alleged US funded Afghan pipeline which was debunked ages ago. It was proven to be both impractical and uneconomic due to largely the ongoing war there.A pipeline via Azebijhan to the Black proved a lot more economic and practical .
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October 12, 2015 8:37pm
nasska

That was a nice little shake!
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October 12, 2015 9:07pm
Nostalgia-NZ

When the dust settles Putin is in Syria by the invitation of Assad, America is there to put the man out and assist those out to defeat him. Suddenly the mire of who the good and bad guys are thickens. America has displayed a habit of taking upon itself to kick to touch bad guys in foreign regimes and arguably leaving an uncontrollable void. In this case there are 2 dynamics emerging as a cross reference point, the 1st the need, as Donald Trump recognises, to stem the refugee flow at source by providing as he says a safe haven. The 2nd, as Putin is showing, despite what other plans he may have, is support for a Government in it’s own land. He is also taking a strategic analysis of not attacking wide out from those attacking Assad, but foremost in close to begin.

Very hard to see how America gets back on the front foot in the short term. One way might be to do exactly what Trump is advocating and apparently mocking Germany’s leadership for not doing, arrest the flow of refugees at source – then secondly as they have already placed caveats over when Assad must go, turn the tap on that and make the issue one of free elections under the control of the UN as they muscle up their efforts and make a clearer picture than the mumbling, lights down soft, impenetrable logic fail.

It’s easy to speculate that there has been not only a shoring up of power for Putin, but also for Trump to emerge as a force in the ME. He might not be John Wayne or Ronald Reagan but he’s coming in close.
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October 12, 2015 9:09pm
ex-golfer

Hmmm – that one rolled on for a while.
#eqnz
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October 12, 2015 9:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who lives in Pongaroa?

Didn’t feel anything in Gizzy.
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October 12, 2015 9:25pm
Stars And Stripes

Yeah really good shake here in the Naki.
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October 12, 2015 9:45pm
Viking2

Who thinks this is OK?
Go watch the video.

Video footage supplied to Stuff shows two men arguing with security staff outside the Strange’s Lane bar precinct on Lichfield St on Saturday night.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72939558/no-justification-for-bouncer-headlock-caught-on-video
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October 13, 2015 7:02am
Viking2

A bit of your own back for the Taxi goons.

Australia’s competition watchdog is being accused of protecting ride sharing service Uber after it flagged it may stop the taxi industry introducing a rival booking app.

Taxi representatives are furious that the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission plans to block the release of ihail, an app that acts as a one-stop booking service for major taxi networks nationally.

In a draft decision, the watchdog said it has fears about ihail’s impact on competition and Cabcharge’s role in handling payments.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11527945
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October 13, 2015 7:06am
Manolo

Getting ready for clown Biden: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cnn-brings-podium-biden-first-democratic-debate_1044502.html
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October 13, 2015 7:08am
Manolo

Attempting to rewrite history: http://www.fox5ny.com/news/32317591-story

The campaigns say the federal holiday honoring Christopher Columbus — and the parades and pageantry accompanying it — overlook a painful history of colonialism, enslavement, discrimination and land grabs that followed the Italian explorer’s 1492 arrival in the Americas.

The indigenous holiday takes into account the history and contributions of Native Americans for a more accurate historical record, activists have argued.
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October 13, 2015 7:57am
gump

Prof Jane Kelsey has prevailed with her judicial review against Tim Groser’s decision to withhold information on the TPP negotiations. The court has ruled that Groser acted unlawfully.

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/front-page/cases/kelsey-v-the-minister-of-trade

It’s good to see the courts ruling against governmental abuse of the OIA.
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