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September 9, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 9 September 2015

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Starboard – 8.15am here
off to bed with me 1000 baht dolly..and Im in Phuket buddy ,good night [at 3.13am Phuket time?]

Now –
2.28pm NZ time – Funny bastards. Well that was a hottie..Im shagged, off to sleep..

Phuket? 10am ?
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September 9, 2015 3:02pm
stephieboy

Wow ! so those three downtixks suggests that there are those who believe that the President did in fact consider nuking Charelston or ordered the assisnation of Andrew Breitbart and his grandmother etc .

Suugests gullibility is rife here too !
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September 9, 2015 3:05pm
Scott Chris

mikenmild (15,474 comments) says:
September 9th, 2015 at 9:34 am
Lucia
That’s what the dogs are for, tackling dangerous offenders. Makes it safer for the police officers.

Drone with a taser makes the most sense to me as an initial step. I wouldn’t send my dog in against an armed offender.
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September 9, 2015 3:18pm
dime

“Drone with a taser makes the most sense to me as an initial step. I wouldn’t send my dog in against an armed offender.”

if the crim is close to water we could use sharks with lasers?
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September 9, 2015 3:35pm
wellygirl

Lucia Maria: “What is it with NZ police frequently resorting to setting dogs on people?”

I know, how dare the police try to protect themselves and the public from an armed criminal posing a threat to the public by sending in the police dog to try and disable him. After all, they should just have shot him rather than try to disable / disarm him. [/sarc]

How stupid that comment is, the police have the following options in this situation.

1. do nothing – then people like you will be complaining they did nothing.

2. negotiate – by all reports that was not successful, the armed man did not respond to the negotiations

3. send in the dog to try to disarm/disable him in order to arrest him – which is what they did, the fact that the gunman chose to shoot at a police dog executing his duty was his choice. The dogs are trained to hold on, not bite, very few criminals who have been disabled by a police dog actually suffer a bite that has broken the skin – the dogs do not ‘attack’. You obviously do not own a dog or have never had a dog actually grab you to stop you doing something, it may hurt a little, but generally it does not break the skin, nor does it cause life long injuries.

4. shoot him, this is a last resort, and they do this when there is threat to life, the police obviously thought there was threat to life and acted. I for one am happy they did, it gives me confidence that the police take their job of protecting the public seriously.

You mention in another post about the woman who claims the gunman was about to put down the gun and give himself up, I wasn’t there I don’t know what happened, but my understanding is she is not a trained psychologist, a trained negotiator, a trained police officer, in fact my understanding is that she is not trained at all in anything that would make her judgement in any way expert, the police deal with people like this daily, though thankfully only a few arm themselves and start shooting in public.

The police blaming makes me angry, this man chose to pick up a firearm, load it, go into the CBD, enter a family restaurant that would most likely have kids in, fire the weapon, refuse to put the weapon down when given the chance by police, shoot at a police dog (which equates to shooting at a police officer due to the job they are doing), and still refuse to put his weapon down, all because he was a little upset. I am sorry, but my sympathy is with the staff and customers of the McDonald’s and the surrounding businesses, the public in the CBD, and the police who had to deal with this incident, I have zero sympathy or empathy for the gunman.

After the siege in the café in Sydney earlier this year I am sure those in the McDonald’s were terrified, that did not end well, and anyone who enters premises like that with a weapon should be viewed as a potential killer.

Oh, and KS, thanks for the link, I will have a listen when I get home (work computer doesn’t allow me to play media).
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September 9, 2015 4:06pm
wellygirl

Lucia Maria: “It would have been better to shoot him than send the dog in if they thought they needed to act, because it was inevitable that he’d shoot at the dog (and maybe hit someone else in the process) and if the dog had attacked him, maybe the gun would have gone off in a random direction during the struggle.”

Why do you think it is inevitable he would shoot at the dog? Despite you using the word it wasn’t a dog attack, Police dogs are trained to subdue, not attack, they grab hold of the offender and hold on. A dog holding on is not an attack, and the offender (for that is what he is) would have known why the dog was sent in, the police are usually pretty good at letting offenders know they are sending in the dog and what for. To equate the police dog trying to subdue the offender to a dog attack is wrong, and to use that to excuse him shooting at the dog is also wrong. The offender could have given up when the dog was sent in, he made the choice to shoot at it.
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September 9, 2015 4:17pm
wellygirl

Lucia Maria: “I disagree that this should be the case, that a dog should on par with a human being.”

based on that logic guide dogs should not be allowed in the cabin of aircraft, in a restaurant, in a supermarket or other outlets selling food, in fact on that logic guide dogs for the blind should be (as all dogs are) tied up outside shops while their owners go inside – after all dogs should not be on a par with a human being and allowing guide dogs in places that animals are prohibited puts them on a par with human beings right?
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September 9, 2015 4:21pm
Longknives

Any chance of an apology from the Crim Hugging/Police Hating Lucia Maria?
She has made an absolute fucking idiot of herself on this Blog today..
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September 9, 2015 4:23pm
wellygirl

stephieboy: “Wow ! so those three downtixks suggests that there are those who believe that the President did in fact consider nuking Charelston or ordered the assisnation of Andrew Breitbart and his grandmother etc .”

or they are people who just don’t like you and downtick all of your comments….
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September 9, 2015 4:24pm
Lucia Maria

Longknives,

What exactly would I be apologising for?

Earlier in the day, I realised that trying to debate the issue of shooting dead a person who is trying to shoot a police dog is pointless. I keep thinking people can compartmentalise issues, when it should be obvious they can’t.

So I stopped.

Interesting that the Sydney Lindt Cafe seige was brought up. An extended member of my family was in that cafe and knew one of the people that died. As far as I can tell, this situation was nothing like the cafe seige.
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September 9, 2015 5:26pm
nasska

There are people who comment on these forums who have lived extremely sheltered lives. When a handler releases his dog under the circumstances the police were in yesterday it doesn’t go up to the offender to wag its tail & lick his face. The dog has been trained to bite & hold…..the more resistance the offender offers the harder the bite. Generally they’ll go for the lower or upper right arm as this is most likely to be holding a weapon.

It’s worth noting that sending a dog in is one step under & before shooting the offender. A last chance if you like. The Upper Hutt boy was too thick, too drugged or too hyped to read the message.
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September 9, 2015 5:30pm
Longknives

For Christ’s sake Lucia- This Guy was pointing the weapon at and threatening PEOPLE! Not just a Police Dog..
Get this fact through your thick head!!
Do you have children? How would you feel if your child was having a Happy Meal at MacDonalds and this drug fucked loser came in with a rifle??
Look.. I know you hate the Police- And clearly would have enjoyed it immensely if this feral criminal had taken a few with him..
But just imagine how you would feel if you or your child were one of the innocent members of public threatened by this Gunman??
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September 9, 2015 5:32pm
EAD

“Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide,” wrote James Burnham in his 1964 “Suicide of the West.

Burnham predicted that the mindless magnanimity of liberals, who subordinate the interests of their own people and nations to utopian and altruistic impulses, would bring about an end to Western civilization.”

http://www.infowars.com/islams-conquest-of-europe/
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September 9, 2015 5:32pm
thedavincimode

if the crim is close to water we could use sharks with lasers?

That’s the Israeli trained dolphins you’re thinking of dime.
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September 9, 2015 5:32pm
Lucia Maria

Longknives,

I don’t hate the police, far from it.

You must have missed my earlier comment where I said they should have just shot the guy rather than sending in the police dog.
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September 9, 2015 5:38pm
nasska

Lucia Maria

Many years ago we gave up the right to bear & use arms to protect ourselves. Instead we entrusted our safety & protection to the government via the police. Personally I think it was a very bad move but that’s not the argument here.

If the cops had not shot the arsehole there is a good chance some innocent would have been hurt or killed. In short should the police not set the dogs on such offenders, after warning them, they are not doing their job they are paid for.
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September 9, 2015 5:40pm
Reid

Generally they’ll go for the lower or upper right arm as this is most likely to be holding a weapon.

See if everyone in NZ knew it was standard practice for all NZ Police dogs to be trained ferociously to go for an offender’s nutsack and gnaw away at it like there was no tomorrow and then after a few minutes of that, mount said offender in the same ferocious way, I very much doubt we’d have too much more trouble from these offender people, as soon as the dog van turned up at the scene.

Having said that I’m seriously disappointed, but not surprised, in the number of you regulars who couldn’t or didn’t even make an effort to understand in the slightest what Lucia was saying or rather, trying to say, but rather, hallucinated any number of idiot fantasies all on your own then proceeded to pretend Lucia really was in fact indubitably saying whatever the heck you idiots had fantasized. I mean its just mental, but as I say, not at all surprising, given the standard of thinking you people who did that today, display on a regular basis. It’s just disappointing to see you confirm that somewhat harsh judgement of you so resoundingly.
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September 9, 2015 5:43pm
stephieboy

EAD the claim that ” Liberalism is the ideology of Western Sucide ” assumes that we are changeless and immutable, which of course flies against the fact that we live in a state of change as new knowledge and discoveries are been made about our world, broadening our horizons and understanding of life and living .
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September 9, 2015 5:44pm
nasska

….”I said they should have just shot the guy rather than sending in the police dog.”….

I think you’ll find there’s an “escalation” protocol the police must use. First negotiation, then warnings, then a dog if available & rightly, armed force if all else fails.

If they don’t do it according to the book some bleeding heart wanker will have them in Court for using disproportionate force.
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September 9, 2015 5:46pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

I mostly agree with your 5:40pm. My only point of disagreement, and this is a really subtle one that I think Nigel almost got, but on reading his comment again, he may have been being sarcastic (I can’t tell, I’d need a voice to listen to), is that it seems the man was shot because he was shooting at the dog, when the dog should have been expendable in relation to a human life. If the police were going to kill the man if/when he shot at the dog, they shouldn’t have sent in the dog.

I like your 5:30 as well. Both paragraphs.
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September 9, 2015 5:48pm
Reid

stephie I just wanted to let you know I just downticked you simply because I don’t like you, not because of whatever it was you just said.

Just in case you get the wrong idea from counting the downticks.

I mean you get it wrong so very often the last thing we want is to give you another source of confusion.

You’re almost, and I mean this, but almost, as bad as Pete. And he’s the world champ, by a huge margin. I know you can’t help it but seriously, he’s not a role model you should be aiming to emulate stephie.
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September 9, 2015 6:01pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

They need to change their protocol. Not that it matters as most people seem happy with it and what happened.
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September 9, 2015 6:09pm
stephieboy

Reid , I take it therefore that you belive everything should remain the same ? Which of course us nonsense as e.g the abolition if feudalism ,slavery and serfdom clearly demonstrate .

It was progressive and liberal thinking that largely saw and end to these ancient institutions not forgetting the raft of laws that saw the extension of the voting franchise and e.g the end to child labour etc,etc.
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September 9, 2015 6:09pm
Lucia Maria

Thanks, Reid. Just saw your 5:43pm comment.
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September 9, 2015 6:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Lucia Maria
Yesterday on TV one of the witnesses said that the dog was sent in after the shooter had been shot. Smiler stumbled and fell to the ground. The dog would have been sent in to hold him in case he was still able to fire off other shots. The cops did not know that they had fatally shot him first off.
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September 9, 2015 6:17pm
nasska

….”They need to change their protocol”….

Probably Lucia Maria, though you can hardly blame them for running everything by the book when the stakes are high. I’m not the greatest fan of police (or any authority for that matter) yet their initiative is hamstrung by civil liberties extremists. The role of police was originally that of keeping the peace & collecting evidence to put before a court. Now they are the agents of the government as it seeks to impose the will of parliament upon the people.

Without civil libertarians as watchdogs we teeter on the edge of totalitarianism & a police state yet the actions of the former push the police towards rule books, protocols & arse covering.

The situation is far from perfect.
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September 9, 2015 6:27pm
Reid

Reid , I take it therefore that you…

No you can’t take any of that, at all, in any way stephie, I thought that was quite clear from my 6.01. The fact you have once again misinterpreted something profoundly elementary however only reinforces the importance of the advice I gave you.

Let’s hope you don’t misinterpret that, again.

Lucia: you’re welcome. As you can imagine I know how it feels to be misunderstood. FWIW, my philosophy on these things is: Water off a ducks back, and keep hammering the point. If you’re right, you’re right, simple as that, over and out, case closed, period. And if you’re not sure, then don’t do it in the first place. But just because most people think you’re wrong, isn’t a reason to change your mind. As we know from many lessons, not least, the book of Acts.
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September 9, 2015 6:32pm
Lucia Maria

Maggy,

One witness from Gunman told man, ‘On your way’

“When the police arrived, and they had the dog and they confronted this guy. Obviously he wasn’t responding and they let the dog go and when they did he fired a shot at the dog – and fortunately he missed – and that’s when the police shot at him and got him, and then it was all over.”

Another witness from Woman tried to talk down gunman moments before police shot him

“He stood out there in the middle of the road there with his rifle … One of the police with a dog came at him and he had a shot at the dog.”

The police dog managed to reach the man and bit onto his leg, Philipson said.

As the man tried to fire at the dog, police fired a single shot at him, which brought him to the ground. “He went down.”

Looks like different people saw different things.
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September 9, 2015 6:35pm
Viking2

So how is that great rise in manufacturing going then you ask???

New Zealand manufacturing sales volumes fell in the second quarter, driven by the continued decline in petroleum and coal, and in meat and dairy.

Total seasonally adjusted sales volumes declined 0.2 per cent in the three months ended June 30, after a 0.3 per cent drop in the first quarter, according to Statistics New Zealand.

The volume of dairy and meat, the two largest exports, fell 0.6 per cent and excluding those two industries, volumes rose 0.6 per cent.

The volume of sales for the petroleum and coal product industry, which don’t tend to follow a stable seasonal pattern, fell 5.2 per cent, following two quarters of gains.

Manufacturing is the last significant piece of data that feeds into gross domestic product in the second quarter, which is scheduled for release next week.

The Reserve Bank had projected quarterly GDP growth of 0.8 per cent in its June monetary policy statement. Before yesterday’s figures, bank economists had been expecting a weaker number, of between 0.3 per cent and 0.7 per cent.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11509839

ANZ’s analysis of traffic on our key roads over August is signalling bad news for the economy.

Its Heavy Traffic Index fell 0.6% in August, indicating a loss of momentum consistent with a weaker economy.

Its Light Traffic Index, which typically leads gross domestic product (GDP) by six months, also fell by 0.6%, bringing the strong upwards trend that’s been evident since mid-2013 to an end.

ANZ’s Truckometer is a measure of economic activity using real time traffic data from around the country. Traffic data is a good indicator of economic activity, as a large portion of freight in New Zealand is transported by road.

Looking at the Heavy Traffic Index first, ANZ points out it has declined during seven of the last eight months, declining in August further to a 0.3% drop in July.

http://www.interest.co.nz/business/77482/anz-warns-economy-has-slowed-down-markedly-having-looked-traffic-our-key-roads-during

Like all rock stars here today and gone tomorrow.

trouble ahead.

2% OCR and hurry up.

New Zealand’s small-business owners expect a downhill slide for the economy over the next year.

MYOB has released its latest Business Monitor survey of 1000 businesses nationwide.

It shows 51 per cent of small-to-medium business owners expect the economy to decline over the next year and almost a quarter have less work booked for the next three months.

The number of businesses expecting their revenue to decline over the next 12 months has doubled to 21 per cent. Another 34 per cent expect it to increase.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/71884543/small-businesses-expect-economic-decline

Lest we forget the spruiking of a few weeks ago.
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September 9, 2015 7:04pm
starboard

Cant sleep..too hot trendsetters. Now..who the fucks quizzing me , some noddy way back in the thread. Sorry I’m not pedantic with times but it is now 2.30pm in the arvo here in Phukers. Its 24 deg and raining..very sticky.
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September 9, 2015 7:29pm
Longknives

Lucia… You never answered my question-

“Do you have children? How would you feel if your child was having a Happy Meal at MacDonalds and this drug fucked loser came in with a rifle??”

Put your obvious hatred of the Police aside (As I strongly suspect you have some ‘form’ with them..) and give me an honest answer- Would you feel ‘sorry’ for this criminal pointing a Gun at your children? Feel an urge to save him and ‘rehabilitate’ him??
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September 9, 2015 7:29pm
ex-golfer

I think 27 degrees with 78% humidity and thunderstorms is more accurate.
But whatever – anyone can search that shit out.
But I’m fucked why someone would log on to Kiwiblog at 3am in the morning simply to make a one word comment……twice.
There are far better things to be doing.
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September 9, 2015 7:46pm
stigie

What was this “YES” and “No” at the start of General Debate Starbored ?

Did you happen to look down and wondered whether you had galloping knob rot…?
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September 9, 2015 7:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

An interesting homeopathy conference

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/09/08/29-hospitalized-after-ingesting-hallucinogens-at-homeopathy-conference/5261441728954/
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September 9, 2015 7:58pm
Nostradamus

Starboard:

very sticky

Too much information?
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September 9, 2015 8:00pm
ex-golfer

Does anyone have any information about “Way To Go Heliservices”?
Has anyone used them for charter work?
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September 9, 2015 8:01pm
Griff

Looks like they really did drink the Kool aid Maggy
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kool-Aid_drinker

Before LSD became illegal, garbage can-sized containers were filled with Kool-Aid, spiked with LSD and given away free to heighten the experience of those who attended rock concerts at the Filmore West. Accompanied by the music of Jefferson Airplane, the Grateful Dead, Big Brother and the Holding Company, and other bands of the psychedelic era, “electric” Kool-Aid transported many a concert-goer into alternate realities for eight or so hours of consciousness-expansion. This “special” beverage was immortalized in Tom Wolfe’s book chronicling the long days and nights of Ken Kesey’s band of “Merry Pranksters,” The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.
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September 9, 2015 8:11pm
nasska

From this morning’s Dom Post news from China. “Sights set on trailblazing human head transplant”.

It’s too late…..ISIS are half way there already.
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September 9, 2015 8:12pm
Griff

Giday d4j hows the lingering smell of toe jam treating you?
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September 9, 2015 8:16pm
stigie

Might not see Dad back for a while Griff, he did leave in a hissy fit but not a meltdown !~
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September 9, 2015 8:22pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

He was worried about catching the “fag disease” by visiting Kiwiblog. I don’t think we’ll see him back for a long time!
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September 9, 2015 8:24pm
mikenmild

Perhaps he’s visiting starboard’s doctor for a cure.
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September 9, 2015 8:25pm
Griff

I dont think starboard is infectious over the internet.
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September 9, 2015 8:26pm
Lucia Maria

Longknives,

I’m not going to answer your question. There is no point, as whatever I say, imagining how I might feel and experiencing it are two different things.
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September 9, 2015 8:27pm
stigie

Thats a shame Nostra, i thought it was the strolling through certain areas of Hagley Park…?
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September 9, 2015 8:28pm
starboard

Sorry chaps..don’t have to explain shit to you peasants. I enjoy logging in now and again and catching up with whats going on..fuck all by the looks of it..same lame brainers with no lives..gwiff ,MM et al.
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September 9, 2015 8:29pm
Jack5

It has been open access for one day to the Financial Times web site, or perhaps it’s only to those who have registered with it but not subscribed.

One story interesting to me says China’s foreign exchange reserves are 3.577 trillion (3,577,000,000,000), but down 2 per cent in the month of August, and down from 4 trillion US dollars in June.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2d3eb83e-554d-11e5-8642-453585f2cfcd.html#axzz3lCiXeWU6
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September 9, 2015 8:29pm
nasska

Starboard may become the first commenter we’ve lost to an STD.
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September 9, 2015 8:29pm
mikenmild

Kia ora, starboard. Want to share some of your Vietnam War reminiscences, perhaps?
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September 9, 2015 8:30pm
starboard

Why MM..why would I want to explain my nam days to a murri loving greens lefty dickhead who has an embarrassingly small penis?
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September 9, 2015 8:33pm
ex-golfer

Actually Starboard, I was genuinely hoping you would come back as I need your advice given you are in the industry.
Do you know of “Way To Go Heliservices”
Are they reputable when it comes to charter services?
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September 9, 2015 8:34pm
nasska

Objection!

There’s no proof that Mike is a “murri loving greens lefty dickhead”. 🙂
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September 9, 2015 8:37pm
starboard

Yep..based out in Rangiora from memory Rob Kitto runs it
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September 9, 2015 8:37pm
Reid

Lucia… You never answered my question…-

…Put your obvious hatred of the Police aside (As I strongly suspect you have some ‘form’ with them..) and give me an honest answer-…

LK gives a perfect illustration of some blogger’s hallucination. To some bloggers, it’s “obvious” Lucia hates the police because she proposed something that caused cognitive dissonance. (Evidence? Zero. Belief? 100% certain, no doubt about it.)

The cognitive dissonance of course being that the police aren’t perfect and sometimes make mistakes. And say that in the context of when they’re “defending the public” and “in a desperate situation” and they can in those circumstances (in the minds of the fools), do no wrong. Not ever. Not possible. And anything that suggests that is immediately, in a heartbeat, consigned to the utter and total “not for us therefore, ipso facto, against us, goes without saying, forever and ever, Amen” bin. Without a second thought.

Any doubt about that?

Read the above and weep, idiots.

Point is, grow a fucking brain, you morons.

Get over your entirely sentimental bullshit about the pwecious police can never ever do anything at all wong in any widdle way and start thinking.

FFS.

Think like the hardest head on the planet. With no sentiment, no vested interest, no emotion, just cold, hard calculation. In any given situation, there is always a single right answer, and many variations of wrong. Learn how to identify the former, by rolling through and discarding the latter, one at a time, situation after situation.

All of you who whaled on Lucia did so based on emotion. Ditch it. It has no place. Right or wrong is about logic. Who gives a fuck if it challenges cherished beliefs? If should, if it doesn’t, you should be worried. But living so as to preserve your cherished beliefs, that’s the path to galloping mentalism at full roar, and if you want to pursue that, then GL.
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September 9, 2015 8:38pm
itstricky

Sorry chaps..don’t have to explain shit to you peasants. I enjoy logging in now and again and catching up with whats going on

Weird how you “pop in” 5 minutes after your name is mentioned.

And @ 3am in Thailand.

Strange times to “pop in” for a “starboard chat”
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September 9, 2015 8:40pm
dad4justice

“I don’t think we’ll see him back for a long time!”

Hi trapdoor.
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September 9, 2015 8:40pm
starboard

Righto..nothing to see here..ciao.
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September 9, 2015 8:41pm
Griff

The strange case of the unattributed down ticks Mr Watson……
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September 9, 2015 8:42pm
Longknives

“Longknives,
I’m not going to answer your question..”

That’s because you can’t Lucia…
You had openly expressed your unconditional support for the Gunman who terrified the community in Upper Hutt yesterday. (Clouded perhaps by your obvious hatred for the Police..)
Now that the facts have come out- You are backtracking at a hundred miles an hour..It is pathetic. The guy was pointing a rifle at innocent people and shooting at Police- And you were openly supporting his actions.
You are clearly a revolting and disturbed individual.
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September 9, 2015 8:43pm
itstricky

Read the above and weep, idiots.

Point is, grow a fucking brain, you morons.

You forgot ‘moronic idiots’
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September 9, 2015 8:44pm
itstricky

Righto..nothing to see here..ciao.

And then disappear once people start asking questions.
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September 9, 2015 8:45pm
mikenmild

And ‘sheeple’.
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September 9, 2015 8:45pm
itstricky

And ‘sheeple’.

I wrote that originally… then replaced it…

Bwwwwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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September 9, 2015 8:47pm
ex-golfer

Top marks on the efficient use of “Google search”
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September 9, 2015 8:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Reid 8:38

If you including me in your all -encompassing rave, I suggest you follow my postings carefully

Lucia Maria leapt to conclusions about the shooter earlier today.
I pointed out her limited research…

I have also presented another suggestion as to why the dog was sent forward to the injured shooter.

I think the Newspapers are playing a very manipulative game here with the known facts about this incident.

I have not used foul language in my postings.
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September 9, 2015 8:50pm
stigie

Come back Dad and tell us how ya weeks been so far, it’s very civil here at the moment ?
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September 9, 2015 8:57pm
Reid

If you including me in your all -encompassing rave, I suggest you follow my postings carefully

Yes I do Maggy, you’re on 8/10 if you care, I hope you don’t but if you do that’s my current assessment of you.

As for the rest, blah blah.

So what if you don’t use foul language. Would you like a medal?
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September 9, 2015 8:59pm
Griff

All of you who whaled on Lucia did so based on emotion. Ditch it. It has no place. Right or wrong is about logic. Who gives a fuck if it challenges cherished beliefs? If should,

logic reid ? from you?
Man with high powered rifle.
lets of a round in a burger joint( griff refuses to call macds a restaurant)
Cops arrive man presents fire arm towards cops lets of another round .
Gun man gets shot dead.
A fucken high powered rifle can kill at 1000+ meters even if he is shooting it straight up. The public is at risk from random rounds .The cops done the right thing in removing the risk for the public.
Police dog sicked on the offender? I dont give a fuck its meaningless detail.
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September 9, 2015 9:07pm
Psycho Milt

Would you feel ‘sorry’ for this criminal pointing a Gun at your children?

This may come as a terrible shock, but how you feel about a particular individual has a sum total of 0 relevance to working out protocols for dealing with armed offenders. In fact, how you feel about the offender should be explicitly ruled out of any consideration of those protocols. It can be a difficult concept to grasp for people who mistake their emotions for thought, but fortunately the people in charge of formulating such protocols are generally made of sterner stuff.
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September 9, 2015 9:08pm
Manolo

One less crim and potential killer. Period.
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September 9, 2015 9:14pm
ex-golfer

But “he was a good boy” screamed Stuff today.
Yep – I know lots of “good boys” that wander the streets with armed rifles.
Fucken pathetic NZ media.
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September 9, 2015 9:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Reid
8/10
I protest!!!!
I’m a top performer…
give me a 10.

No, I don’t care if you use foul language…. my vocabulary is perhaps a little more extensive than yours, so I don’t usually have to resort to abusive epithets.

Would I like a medal? Not really, thanks.
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September 9, 2015 9:20pm
Inandout

I don’t know if this has been shown on here before, but if this is what are among the migrants going to Germany..shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpZuEmKwNjM

Translation:
Oh Allah make their children orphans
Oh Allah make their wives life hard
Oh Allah make their children orphans
Oh Allah grant victory to Islam and Muslims everywhere
Oh Allah help our weakened brothers in Palestine
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September 9, 2015 10:05pm
Scott Chris

nasska (14,114 comments) says:
September 9th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Starboard may become the first commenter we’ve lost to an STD.

With any luck. But I suspect STDs have better taste than to infect the likes of Starbore.

Not that he gets much action in his trailer park in Gore.
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