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wikiriwhis business

This is the kind of crap you ill informed and ignorant KBer paid trolls don’t know people have to put up with from WINZ

Lets Talk About WINZ (Work and Income New Zealand) (facebook)

My sister’s seminar again didn’t take place this morning, this time because Work and Income, Tokoroa, are short staffed today. it’s been postponed to next Thursday. Once again there was no missed call or voice mail message on Andrea’s mobile phone. So she has now gone in for nothing two Thursdays in a row!

She also has an appointment with our Case Manager next Thursday, at a different time to her postponed seminar. She rang the call centre to reschedule this appointment as she isn’t keen on going in twice in one day but the person she spoke to said that if she rescheduled her appointment her benefit would be cut! Evidently not wanting to go in twice in one day isn’t a good enough reason to reschedule one’s appointment. Surely it shouldn’t matter what the reason is as long as one reschedules their appointment and attends their rescheduled appointment.
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September 3, 2015 2:17pm
stephieboy

Oops the U.S. constitution was adopted and ratified in 1788 !
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September 3, 2015 2:22pm
Jack5

Hell it’s just 2.24pm and General Debate is over 200 posts. It should top 300 again today.
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September 3, 2015 2:25pm
Manolo

@starboard: Orange juice and a double, if not triple, dose of antibiotics, mate. 🙂
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September 3, 2015 2:25pm
Longknives

Ha Ha What a fucked up world we live in…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219186/Almost-200-Missouri-students-walk-class-protest-transgender-high-school-senior-allowed-use-girls-bathroom.html

‘Perry’ can dress however he/she fucking likes- But I don’t blame the Girls at this school for not wanting this person lurking around their locker room..(remember they are just kids!)
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September 3, 2015 2:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen 2:01

When I visited the National Museum of Korea in Seoul, I was surprised to discover that Korea’s history seemed to end around the late 1880s.
There is nothing in that museum to upset their numerous Japanese visitors.

I had to go all the way down to Cheonan (!hr south of Seoul by bus) to get the Korean view of their 70+years of occupation by the Japanese.
There’s an enormous museum there – the Independence Hall of Korea – consisting of 7 large exhibition buildings.
Completely changed my views about “colonisation” and colonisers.
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September 3, 2015 2:28pm
Griff

Fletch
MSM story’s are not science.
Your link to nature exposes that you pulled it from somewhere else and either did not read it all or are to thick to understand.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2015/09/monthly_ice_08_NH.png
Even a fuck wit zombie eater can see.
The trend is strongly down.
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September 3, 2015 2:28pm
MH

the Rauhuru Flag

Etymology
Cyathea: From the Greek kyatheion ‘little cup’, referring to the shape of the indusium
Indusium:
A thin tissue that covers the sorus in many ferns. Plural: indusia.

dealbata: whitened

then ya havta find out what a sorus means….I know but please refrain from…
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September 3, 2015 2:33pm
Jack5

For those sick of the bias of NZ’s MSM on this topic, a more balanced view of the population crash into Europe, which may be unmatched in scale in history:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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September 3, 2015 2:35pm
AgentBallSack

At least John Key is with the majority of Kiwis on this. NO MORE REFUGEES. Fuck you very much.
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September 3, 2015 2:38pm
alloytoo

@Dime

The photo’s are gut wrenching and heartbreaking, but ultimately there’s nothing we could have done to prevent it, and doubling our quota won’t prevent the next tragedy.
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September 3, 2015 2:45pm
Don the Kiwi

What about this guy Griff?

How will you try to discredit him?

Will Happer is another, highly-respected physicist out of Princeton who compares the anti-CO2 crowd to the prohibitionists prior to the passage of the 18th Amendment. While he does acknowledge long-term warming, he thinks the influence of CO2 is vastly overstated, and that the benefits of a modest reduction in it will be negligible.

In testimony to Congress, he used the following analogy what he means:

The earth’s climate really is strongly affected by the greenhouse effect, although the physics is not the same as that which makes real, glassed-in greenhouses work. Without greenhouse warming, the earth would be much too cold to sustain its current abundance of life. However, at least 90% of greenhouse warming is due to water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide is a bit player. There is little argument in the scientific community that a direct effect of doubling the CO2 concentration will be a small increase of the earth’s temperature — on the order of one degree. Additional increments of CO2 will cause relatively less direct warming because we already have so much CO2 in the atmosphere that it has blocked most of the infrared radiation that it can. It is like putting an additional ski hat on your head when you already have a nice warm one below it, but your are only wearing a windbreaker. To really get warmer, you need to add a warmer jacket. The IPCC thinks that this extra jacket is water vapor and clouds.

And you can lay off the ad-hominems – otherwise I’ll have to reply in kind.
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September 3, 2015 2:46pm
AgentBallSack

Would having a separate evening thread similar to whaleoil backchat at 6pm be a good idea for KB? Pretty sure one of the reason Pete detests me is I suggested that idea and when WO was the place to be it would hit 300+ posts a night easily. Kudos to BallSack.

Would it detract from the GD though, or would it be a chance to start afresh with new conspiracy theories?
What are everyones thoughts on that. (if DPF even thinks its worth while)
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September 3, 2015 2:47pm
kowtow

Agent

The media are pushing very hard for Europe and others to destroy themselves by opening their borders to the third world.

It won’t be long before the west becomes the third world. Already happening in many parts of the US and whole suburbs of Euro cities have become no go areas due to Islamic immigration.
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September 3, 2015 2:47pm
Inandout

It seems like the government has ‘stolen’ some Maori design on one of the new notes, and a group wasn’t consulted, so it will probably want $$$$$$. The new flag will open another pandora’s box. Oh, and now Key is fast tracking the flag debate. Well, well, well….
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September 3, 2015 2:48pm
Komata

ABS
JK may be, but you can be very, very sure that the socialists (and their proxy, the MSM) won’t let up; they’re playing the ‘poor homeless waifs’ anthem repeatedly, and ad nauseum, in the hope that the gullible Kiwi will fall for it, and pressure their local MP’s to ‘admit more of these ‘helpless one’s’, cause it’s the ‘Kiwi Way’.

Rust never sleeps does it…?
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September 3, 2015 2:51pm
AgentBallSack

kowtow, just reading this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3220341/We-t-cope-tide-Europe-s-despairing-leaders-bring-border-controls-free-movement-zone-brink-collapse.html

100 thousand refugees a month into Germany. The Eurozone is about to collapse under the weight of it. For gods sake lets not have it here!
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September 3, 2015 2:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@MH 2:33

the Rauhuru Flag

Sometimes its best never to ask questions in the first place……

I thought I’d see if there were other Maori words for fern frond…..
and of course, there were……
rau,
mokehu
tete
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September 3, 2015 3:01pm
stephieboy

Jack 5 , the MSM media here are actually giving plenty of coverage to the Refugee crises in Europe with these harrowing images,

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11507126

AgnetballSack , not helpful to consume and overwhelm yourself with hysteria over the refuge crises.If it were not for the Muslims among them it would be a total non event for you.
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September 3, 2015 3:04pm
Griff

Why zombie boy ?
Believing in the magic transmutation of bread and wine into actual blood and flesh shows what how unreal you and your belief system is .

Will Harper.

Is he an actual climate scientist ? No
Has he published any work in climate science? No
Just because you can find a few scientists that disagree doesn’t make them right.

97% of publishing climate scientists disagree with Will Harper.
I could post tens of hundreds climate scientists that have the opposite opinion as well as all major scientific body’s .
I could also give you the name of the few climate scientists that disagree with the consensus.
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If I went to a hundred doctors with cancer and 97 said have this operation or die and 3 said you dont need to worry and gave conflicting diagnoses I know what I would do.
Have the operation

You accuse me of not being consistent .
Will Harper opinion also contradicts your last post from Ian Plimmer.
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September 3, 2015 3:08pm
Fletch

Again, an estimated 7,000 people take to the streets of New York to protest Obama’s Iran deal.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/02/thousands-take-to-new-york-streets-to-protest-iran-deal/
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September 3, 2015 3:14pm
Griff

7,000 people
out of
8,491,079 people in new York city
wow Fletch just wow
About the same support as penny’s anti tpp protests.

in context
250,000 protesters demonstrated in New York City against bush and the iraq war
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September 3, 2015 3:20pm
Komata

Re Europe’s ‘manufactured’ immigration crisis: Am I correct in believing that the perpetrators of this policy are all socialists and their sympathisers?

Thanks.
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September 3, 2015 3:26pm
Odakyu-sen

Jack5

I doubt that the IJA had the resources to hold on to Manchuria for any length of time.

The Chinese and Germans go back a long way. The only way that Japan could have held China is in an alternative history scenario in which China joins the Axis. This would ally Japan with the United States.

But this is science fiction.
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September 3, 2015 3:27pm
stephieboy

komata, I believe the origin of this crises can fairly and squarely be placed on GWB and Tony Blair and the decision to invade and occupy Iraq.

Fletch, in a city the size of new York 7,000 is peanuts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
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September 3, 2015 3:29pm
AgentBallSack

I agree with Stephie. Except it was the decision to destabilize Iraq by executing Hussein that lead to this unholy mess. You only have to ask yourself is Iraq safer now than it was 10 years ago?
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September 3, 2015 3:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We can “measure ” the world’s temp to 0.01deg C, it seems, but we cant count its trees to any degree of accuracy…..
somewhere between 400 billion and 30 trillion.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34134366
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September 3, 2015 3:43pm
Griff

Bush
We get conservonutters rabbiting obuma is the worst president evah constantly.
I think history will place G W Bush as one of the most destructive and inept world leaders of all time.
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September 3, 2015 3:44pm
Griff

Whats a tree doctor Maggy?
Is Metrosideros umbellata a tree?
Is it a tree on the Auckland islands?
You probably have done population estimates how accurate are they? How useful?
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September 3, 2015 3:49pm
Kimbo

@ Griff

I think history will place G W Bush as one of the most destructive and inept world leaders of all time.

Umm, I’m no apologist for his tenure…but Bob Geldof did say that the aid and development he initiated in Africa was significant.

And our government of the time (Clark) agreed with the 2001 invasion of Afganistan.

You can argue, as mistaken as the intell may have been, the WMD issue was enough to justify the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Mind you, you did always have the problem that if you get rid of the tyrant…what next?

But “one of the most destructive and inept world leaders of all time”?

What about Jimmy Carter?
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September 3, 2015 3:50pm
Griff

Poke stick in hornets nest kimbo
Result lots of aggression.
There are no WMD never was enough to warrant invasion Bush was aware of this.
The war has cost trillions of dollars and resulted in more problems that it solved.
I believe it was a play for oil more than one motivated by Husans insanity.
Who was president of the usa for the eight years prior to the GFC?
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September 3, 2015 3:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff

doing some research, eh?
Love those big numbers…..

Who knows how accurate my tree counts were…… seems they might be being used to work out NZ’s Carbon debt (Laugh hysterically)…… 30 years too late, as far as I’m concerned.
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September 3, 2015 3:58pm
Griff

HUH

I guessed as I know you wrote some of the te ara native tree section that you would have done population counts.
They give a range as it is patently impossible to count trees for large areas in particular those not easily accessed
Provided you use the same techniques the information is useful even if not exact .
You can measure anomaly.. an increase or decline over time against a bench mark.
This is what the global temperature tells us not an actual exact average global temperature but the change over time. the anomaly .
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September 3, 2015 4:06pm
Kimbo

@ Griff

Poke stick in hornets nest kimbo

Meh.

there are no WMD never was enough to warrant invasion Bush was aware of this.

You channeling UglyTruth now?

The war has cost trillions of dollars and resulted in more problems that it solved.

Most wars cost lots, with no guarantee of immediate victory, let alone short, medium or long term success. For example, World War I. Yet given the same circumstances, and with no knowledge of what happened as we do, the British Empire did the right thing declaring war when the Germans invaded Belgium.

I believe it was a play for oil more than one motivated by Husans insanity.

Like I said, channellng UT?

Who was president of the usa for the eight years prior to the GFC?

Who was the President before that, on whose watch it was decides to give low or zero deposit subsidised mortgages to encourage “people who couldn’t otherwise afford it into houses”? As I seem to recall, the GFC originated in the sub prime lending market…

Remind me who threw a faithful ally (the Shah of Iran) under the bus? How did that “humanitarian” foreign policy thing work out in Iran, btw?

And “crisis of confidence”?

“(Energy) is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes”

Cripes! Not the USSR!
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September 3, 2015 4:08pm
Don the Kiwi

Griff.

Here’s a link to an article in the Wall Street Journal – its a bit long to copy and paste – but it puts paid to your Myth of “97% of Scientists Agree with AGW” – something that you constantly bash us with, and its all bullshit.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

But, of course, you’ve already memorised this off by heart haven’t you, so you can deny – deny – deny………..
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September 3, 2015 4:11pm
MH

@ M W

I hope we can remain fronds and not rau too much.
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September 3, 2015 4:16pm
Griff

Meh I dont do conspiracy….

Please point to these WMD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Some chemical weapons have turned up but enough to warrant invasion?

Sub prime market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Subprime_mortgage_originations,_1996-2008.GIF
Hmmmm whos watch ?
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September 3, 2015 4:24pm
EAD

“And thus, overcoming our temerity, let each man choose: will he remain a witting servant of the lies, or has the time come for him to stand straight as an honest man, worthy of the respect of his children and contemporaries?” – Alexander Solzhenitsyn

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/01/natalie-portman-challenges-the-holocaust-uniqueness-doctrine/
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September 3, 2015 4:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@MH

I’ll think of you each time our new flag is flown.
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September 3, 2015 4:26pm
Griff

Who are the men you just linked to?
http://theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony2.php
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute

You want to be taken seriously by me and give links to a creationist with Spencer’s record and a lobbyist for the oil industry who was heavily involved with the tabaco industry’s effort to hide the realty of the danger of smoking .
Really you can do better .
By the way it is very revealing to see who heartland pays as “scientific advisers.”
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September 3, 2015 4:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@MH
damn, I wish I had written
I’ll think of you when our new flag is unfurled
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September 3, 2015 4:38pm
Manolo

Europe on the brink: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3220341/We-t-cope-tide-Europe-s-despairing-leaders-bring-border-controls-free-movement-zone-brink-collapse.html

It has caused chaos across eastern Europe as authorities have struggled to cope with the vast numbers who, as undocumented migrants, are theoretically barred from travelling across the EU. Figures released yesterday showed a record 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany last month.
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September 3, 2015 4:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff

most measurements are approximations of a “true” value.

There are standard ways of counting the numbers of trees in an area…..using plots
plots can be laid down in a regular manner; or arranged at locations based on random numbers; or at a representative location (based on observer’s knowledge of the vegetation.

Or the Wassilieff method can be used…. whereby plots are located at sites where the sun shines when I eat my lunch.
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September 3, 2015 4:50pm
Don the Kiwi

The link didn’t work properly, so here’s the article from the Wall Street Journal

Myth of the Climate Change ‘97%’
What is the origin of the false belief—constantly repeated—that almost all scientists agree about global warming?
By JOSEPH BAST And ROY SPENCER
May 26, 2014 7:13 p.m. ET

Last week Secretary of State John Kerry warned graduating students at Boston College of the “crippling consequences” of climate change. “Ninety-seven percent of the world’s scientists,” he added, “tell us this is urgent.”

Where did Mr. Kerry get the 97% figure? Perhaps from his boss, President Obama, who tweeted on May 16 that “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” Or maybe from NASA, which posted (in more measured language) on its website, “Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities.”

Yet the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research.

One frequently cited source for the consensus is a 2004 opinion essay published in Science magazine by Naomi Oreskes, a science historian now at Harvard. She claimed to have examined abstracts of 928 articles published in scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and found that 75% supported the view that human activities are responsible for most of the observed warming over the previous 50 years while none directly dissented.

Ms. Oreskes’s definition of consensus covered “man-made” but left out “dangerous”—and scores of articles by prominent scientists such as Richard Lindzen, John Christy, Sherwood Idso and Patrick Michaels, who question the consensus, were excluded. The methodology is also flawed. A study published earlier this year in Nature noted that abstracts of academic papers often contain claims that aren’t substantiated in the papers.

Another widely cited source for the consensus view is a 2009 article in “Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union” by Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, a student at the University of Illinois, and her master’s thesis adviser Peter Doran. It reported the results of a two-question online survey of selected scientists. Mr. Doran and Ms. Zimmerman claimed “97 percent of climate scientists agree” that global temperatures have risen and that humans are a significant contributing factor.

The survey’s questions don’t reveal much of interest. Most scientists who are skeptical of catastrophic global warming nevertheless would answer “yes” to both questions. The survey was silent on whether the human impact is large enough to constitute a problem. Nor did it include solar scientists, space scientists, cosmologists, physicists, meteorologists or astronomers, who are the scientists most likely to be aware of natural causes of climate change.

The “97 percent” figure in the Zimmerman/Doran survey represents the views of only 79 respondents who listed climate science as an area of expertise and said they published more than half of their recent peer-reviewed papers on climate change. Seventy-nine scientists—of the 3,146 who responded to the survey—does not a consensus make.

In 2010, William R. Love Anderegg, then a student at Stanford University, used Google Scholar to identify the views of the most prolific writers on climate change. His findings were published in Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences. Mr. Love Anderegg found that 97% to 98% of the 200 most prolific writers on climate change believe “anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for ‘most’ of the ‘unequivocal’ warming.” There was no mention of how dangerous this climate change might be; and, of course, 200 researchers out of the thousands who have contributed to the climate science debate is not evidence of consensus.

In 2013, John Cook, an Australia-based blogger, and some of his friends reviewed abstracts of peer-reviewed papers published from 1991 to 2011. Mr. Cook reported that 97% of those who stated a position explicitly or implicitly suggest that human activity is responsible for some warming. His findings were published in Environmental Research Letters.

Mr. Cook’s work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found “only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse” the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.

Rigorous international surveys conducted by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch—most recently published in Environmental Science & Policy in 2010—have found that most climate scientists disagree with the consensus on key issues such as the reliability of climate data and computer models. They do not believe that climate processes such as cloud formation and precipitation are sufficiently understood to predict future climate change.

Surveys of meteorologists repeatedly find a majority oppose the alleged consensus. Only 39.5% of 1,854 American Meteorological Society members who responded to a survey in 2012 said man-made global warming is dangerous.

Finally, the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change—which claims to speak for more than 2,500 scientists—is probably the most frequently cited source for the consensus. Its latest report claims that “human interference with the climate system is occurring, and climate change poses risks for human and natural systems.” Yet relatively few have either written on or reviewed research having to do with the key question: How much of the temperature increase and other climate changes observed in the 20th century was caused by man-made greenhouse-gas emissions? The IPCC lists only 41 authors and editors of the relevant chapter of the Fifth Assessment Report addressing “anthropogenic and natural radiative forcing.”

Of the various petitions on global warming circulated for signatures by scientists, the one by the Petition Project, a group of physicists and physical chemists based in La Jolla, Calif., has by far the most signatures—more than 31,000 (more than 9,000 with a Ph.D.). It was most recently published in 2009, and most signers were added or reaffirmed since 2007. The petition states that “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of . . . carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”

We could go on, but the larger point is plain. There is no basis for the claim that 97% of scientists believe that man-made climate change is a dangerous problem.
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September 3, 2015 4:57pm
Griff

I have seen enough of the work done at the goat island marine reserve with sample plots and reading over the gf’s shoulder when she sat her marine bio papers to have an reasonable understanding of population counts Maggy.
The question over what is a tree was more to point out it is a somewhat subjective thing to measure.
Ratas are a good example because northern are a Hemiepiphyte and southern are a small shrub in the sub antarctic islands
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September 3, 2015 5:09pm
Jack5

I’m no fan of the MP Maurice Williamson, but you have to smile at the hypocrisy of the MSM attacking Williamson about his smutty jokes, when on the same web pages they have pictures of pop stars in revealing costumes, and when they carry almost daily stories about sex and how to make the most of it.

Watch how the NZ MSM gets on when it has to put up pay walls. Let’s hope the Government forces Radio NZ’s Labour Radio to put a pay wall on its web offerings.
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September 3, 2015 5:10pm
kowtow

I’m no fan of the MP Maurice Williamson, but you have to smile at the hypocrisy of the MSM attacking Williamson

jack5

Of course you’re right ,they practically knighted him over his deliberate, gratuitous offensiveness to Christians when he made that parody marriage speech. OK to offend Christians in the chamber but not wimmin at some stupid private function.
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September 3, 2015 5:25pm
cricko

So, Ayatollah Ali Khameni has gone into hiding in Iran today after he heard reports that Chuck Norris said that he was not happy with the nuke deal and he is thinking that he may have to go to Iran personally and sort this shit out.

Silly Ayatollah, he should know that nobody can hide from Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris can find anyone, anywhere, any time he likes.
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September 3, 2015 5:32pm
Reid

On the geopolitical changes taking place right now.

http://www.sputniknews.com/columnists/20150831/1026393243.html
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September 3, 2015 5:36pm
Griff

Don an oil industry lobbyist wrote that.
way to go big boy.
It is what you call a gish gallop.
Not worth anything but laughter at your stupidity as almost all claims are either outright lies or well known distortions .
for instance I suggest you research nils Mortimer
just for fun
Come back and tell me all about Photoshopping,
😆
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September 3, 2015 5:38pm
cricko

By the way, this shit is starting to get out of hand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/12559659/John-Key-as-a-fellow-parent-please-help-more-refugee-families

You can bet that the dad that wrote this has some connection with Stuffs ‘reporter’ Donna Mojab.

OK, lets increase our intake of refugees then, just as long as they are not muslims.

If we are going to take more Syrian/Iraqi refugees they should be the most persecuted group of all,
Syrian/Iraqi christians, the last few that their muslim countrymen haven’t already killed.

We need more muslims in New Zealand like we need a hole in our heads.
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September 3, 2015 5:56pm
cha

Europe on the brink:

The Daily Heil, same as it ever was.
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September 3, 2015 5:58pm
BananaLama

Syria is part of Africa now …..

Maybe Nato is bombing France that’s why the refugees are trying to flee into the UK ……..
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September 3, 2015 6:14pm
Griff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEIryW8zA
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September 3, 2015 6:15pm
Jack5

Cha at 5.58 links the Daily Mail’s coverage of the migrants swarming into Europe with the Daily Mail’s opposition to accepting Jewish refugees in the 1930s – nearly 80 years ago.

Bit like Amnesty Aotearoa New Zealand talking now about the plight of the Jews in the 1930s when Amnesty is fully aligned with the Palestinians against the Israelis over the Gaza crisis. A biased political organisation like Amnesty Aotearoa New Zealand should not qualify as a charity in New Zealand.
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September 3, 2015 6:16pm
cricko

Stuffs “reporter” Donna Miles-Mojab is a British born woman of Iranian extraction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHB14fOkjE

A “reporter” you must be fucking joking.

A political agitator posing as a reporter is more like it.
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September 3, 2015 6:16pm
Gabby

Hey Jacko, what charity does Ponyboy donate his salary to?
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September 3, 2015 6:21pm
mikenmild

Jack5
I think you have the wrong idea about Amnesty International. The organisation explicitly refuses to support or oppose the views of the victims whose rights it seeks to protect. Many governments have attacked AI – Israel, US, Russia, China.
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September 3, 2015 6:25pm
Odakyu-sen

Jacko? Gabby? Ponyboy?

What the hell is going on?
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September 3, 2015 6:26pm
Reid

Gabby’s a raging lefty and she’s making a joke because she hates the fact My Little Pony is fast becoming more well known than My Little Pony’s real name. Plus she doesn’t like stupidboy and who can blame her.

Either that or it’s a lefty joke about Key doing something with pony’s, but no-one amongst the public knows what that might be so it could hardly be that unless you were a roaring mental at full gallop which clearly Gabby isn’t.
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September 3, 2015 6:31pm
nasska

Odakyu-sen

Jacko = Jack5

Gabby = Sufferer of Key Derangement Syndrome

Ponyboy = A snide reference to our revered Prime Minister
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September 3, 2015 6:31pm
BananaLama

I kind of laughed at Ponyboy though. Dear leader will never live that one down.
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September 3, 2015 6:35pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

a roaring mental at full gallop which clearly Gabby isn’t

Not sure about that Reid – early signs of Gabby’s mental condition don’t look promising!
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September 3, 2015 6:36pm
Reid

Aw nasska, you spoiled it.

Besides, it’s a snide ref to My Little Pony.

Isn’t it Gabby.
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September 3, 2015 6:36pm
cha

Ponyboy = A snide reference to our revered Prime Minister

A contender?.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNzMlUeUEAI93Be.jpg
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September 3, 2015 6:36pm
Nostradamus

I wonder if Starboard’s good doctor has a cure for Key Derangement Syndrome?

If so, on top of his “gay cure” responsibilities, he’ll be a very busy man indeed!
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September 3, 2015 6:41pm
Johnboy

Jeeze Don. Your 4:57 is longer than most of Penny’s! 🙂
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September 3, 2015 6:43pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

I know you’ll be interested in >this photo!

[Insert your own caption]
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September 3, 2015 6:46pm
mikenmild

That’s not Don’s own work though Johnboy. He was just quoting a fellow nutter at length.
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September 3, 2015 6:47pm
cricko

Come to think of it, I would bet that Stuff “reporter” Donna Miles-Mojab wrote that heart rending, father to father letter to John Key herself.

Check her out on the video I posted @ 6.16, she comes on about 2 mins into it.

If she is what passes as a ‘reporter’ in New Zealand these days then the Fourth Estate is fucked in our country.
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September 3, 2015 6:48pm
Johnboy

At least he quoted them in his own time milkey! 🙂
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September 3, 2015 6:49pm
AgentBallSack

Either the Alts are coming out tonight or Belts gone on another banning spree at WO. This time he’ll be banning the non payers
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September 3, 2015 6:51pm
Johnboy

[Insert your own caption]

“Ovinus Juliarse’s Gillardus” 🙂
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September 3, 2015 6:52pm
Manolo

A clown’s outing: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-02/as-rumors-fly-about-his-future-joe-biden-hits-the-road
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September 3, 2015 6:53pm
Manolo

Controversy over a vile book, something worth less than used toilet paper:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/09/03/questions-swirl-around-ancient-koran-which-may-predate-muhammad/?intcmp=hpbt4

Fragments of an ancient Koran, which scholars say may predate the accepted founding date of Islam by the Prophet Muhammad, are sparking intense debate with at least one expert saying that the manuscript’s writing belongs to a slightly later era.
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September 3, 2015 6:55pm
nasska

Nostra

JB’s already the subject of this statue erected at the entrance to the Fitzroy Tavern (aka the Flying Jug) in Wainuiomata. https://www.dropbox.com/s/83bvh4i10e0fahw/Sheep%20JB.jpg?dl=0

What exactly he’s doing to the sheep has been the theme of endless speculation.
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September 3, 2015 6:55pm
Jack5

Re Milkenmild defending Amnesty at 6.25:

Nope, Milky, Amnesty is biased against Israel. Like many other humanitarian organisations Amnesty has been hijacked by Leftist activists.

It has charity status in NZ, but internationally there have to be questions about the huge severance payments to Amnesty’s former chief and deputy chief.

Re Amnesty and Gaza:

fa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/2015/Pages/Israeli-response-to-Amnesty-International-report-29-July-2015.aspx
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September 3, 2015 6:58pm
Johnboy

The sculptor caught me just before I freed my right hand to undo my zip nasska! 🙂
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September 3, 2015 6:58pm
cha

Not quite what the campaign had in mind when it launched it’s new app.

#selfieswithrand

Dr. Rand PaulVerified account
‏@RandPaul

Download my campaign app by searching “Rand Paul 2016” on the App Store/Google Play. Send in your selfies with Rand!

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/639194425327943684
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September 3, 2015 7:01pm
Jack5

Re Cricko’s post at 6.16 of Donna Miles-Mojab, the Stuff reporter working up the mob on the TPPA.

There’s no way you could read her reports on Stuff as being from an independent reporter. In fact, what the fuck is she doing in NZ agitating against our democratically elected government and trying to whip up the mob?

Who the fuck is Donna Miles-Mojab to speak as “we” – on behalf of New Zealand?

Fairfax NZ is truly Fairfucked!
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September 3, 2015 7:04pm
SGA

nasska at 6:55 pm

What exactly he’s [JB’s] doing to the sheep has been the theme of endless speculation.

It’s obvious nasska – it’s Plan B because he’s realised it’s a wether.
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September 3, 2015 7:04pm
Fletch

You only have to ask yourself is Iraq safer now than it was 10 years ago?

It was. Until Obama pulled all the troops out of there for election year and lost the war the U.S had already won.
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September 3, 2015 7:08pm
Gabby

In accordance with the agreement Booosh had made with The Iraqis.
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September 3, 2015 7:12pm
cricko

And guess what.

That heartrending letter to John Key, father to father by ‘reporter’ Donna Miles-Mojab has already
been removed from the Stuff website.

Jeez, it was only up there for a couple of hours.

I bet the last person with a shred of integrity in Stuff called her and asked, “Did you write that letter to John Key
or was it genuine, cricko has called you out on KB as a bullshit artist ?”

And lo, the article is gone. (Maybe a KB reader with some skill could retrieve it and repost it)

Be great if a genuine reporter who took a screenshot of it and could go and ask the purported author, “Who actually
wrote it, you or her ?”

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the truth of that one.

Stuff,,,,,what a fucking disgrace.
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September 3, 2015 7:13pm
Manolo

The incompetent Obama gave the game away in Iraq. His troop withdrawal was tantamount to treason.
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September 3, 2015 7:17pm
Fletch

In accordance with the agreement Booosh had made with The Iraqis.

Nope. The Iraqi president didn’t want them to leave either. Radio transcript from Hugh Hewitt show follows.

Hugh Hewitt: Now Senator Graham, I want to turn to a couple of other things I covered with Jeb Bush. First, he laid the blame for the collapse of the Iraqi government authority and the rise of ISIS squarely on President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton for the failure to reach a status of forces agreement. I pointed out his brother entered into the S.O.F.A. that expired on December 31st, 2011 and Maliki deserves some of the blame and he said no, this was our fault. Do you agree?

Lindsey Graham: I think it was our fault. The president got the answer he wanted when it comes to troop levels. He wanted zero. He got zero. He promised to end the War in Iraq. He actually lost the War in Iraq.

But this is something that most people don’t know. I want to make sure you understand. Secretary Clinton called me to go over to Iraq to talk to all the parties to see if we can find a way to achieve a residual force to be left behind. I went with Senator McCain and Senator Lieberman. We met with Mr. Allawi who’s is the Aratia party leader, the former prime minister. He is a Shia, but it was a Sunni coalition. We flew up to meet with President Barzani – not president – but Barzani, the head of the Kurds. … Then we met with Maliki.

So we had Ambassador Jeffrey – U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and Gen. Austin, the commander of Iraq forces at the time in the meeting with me, Maliki, and McCain. I asked Prime Minister Maliki, “Would you accept troops?” He says, “If other will, I will.” Then he turned to me and said, “How many troops are you talking about?” I turned to Gen. Austin and then Ambassador Jeffrey – “What’s the answer to the prime minister’s question?” Gen. Dreyfuss says, “We’re still working on the number.” The number went from 18,000 recommended by Austin down to 3,000 coming out of the White House.

General Dempsey answered Senator McCain’s question and my question as to how the numbers went down – “What is because the Iraqis suggest too many?” He said, “No, the cascading numbers came from the White House.” I was there. They were all ready to accept a residual force. But when you get below 3,000, it was a joke. And we got the answer we wanted. I was on the ground. I asked the question. I heard the answer from Gen. Austin – the White House hasn’t made up their mind, yet.

Hugh Hewitt: Jeb Bush is right. This is truly at the feet of Obama-Clinton.
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September 3, 2015 7:23pm
BananaLama

Pretty sure that incompetent running Iraq wanted Americans out so he could look tough. Daesh promptly invaded now look at the shambles.
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September 3, 2015 7:23pm
Nostradamus

That heartrending letter to John Key, father to father by ‘reporter’ Donna Miles-Mojab has already been removed from the Stuff website.
…
And lo, the article is gone. (Maybe a KB reader with some skill could retrieve it and repost it)

Nope – Cricko is incorrect – the article is here.
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September 3, 2015 7:23pm
cha

lost the war the U.S had already won.

Won in 2003, apparently.
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Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060525022143/http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
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September 3, 2015 7:29pm
Jack5

Dame Devoid again jumps out of her role concerning race relations in New Zealand, to tell the Government to take more refugees.

She makes the call in a statement which includes a plug for the Human Rights Commission’s “Diversity Forum” in Aukcland next week. At it, she says, more than 300 people – many from migrant and refugee backgrounds – will share ideas and best practice on “diversity, race relations and peace. “

When were Devoid and the broader Human Rights Commission assigned the role of promoting pacificism in NZ?
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September 3, 2015 7:29pm
cricko

Oh! Of course, you can still read it because

I took a screenshot of her ‘report” myself, @ 5.56 on KB GD it’s there for all to see.

Stuff have removed it now, but it’s too late.

Check it out, do you think it was genuine or did Ms Mojab compose it herself ?

If it was genuine how come it was removed after a couple of hours ?
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September 3, 2015 7:32pm
mikenmild

Hi cricko. That letter is on Stuff ‘Nation’, which is a section for readers’ contributions. So it doesn’t appear to be from a journalist.
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September 3, 2015 7:34pm
Jack5

Re Nostradamus at 7.29: but did the report by the political activist Donna Miles-Mojab originally have the heading “reader report”?

And who is the parent? Is it Miles-Mojab?
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September 3, 2015 7:35pm
Nostradamus

*Sigh*

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/12559659/John-Key-as-a-fellow-parent-please-help-more-refugee-families
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September 3, 2015 7:37pm
BananaLama

In the articles comments “We are all immigrants”

*SIGH*

really sick of hearing that at what point does one become native to the country? 100 years? 200 years? 500 years? 1000 years? are the Germans all immigrants? are the Russians all immigrants? are the Africans in South Africa all immigrants?
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September 3, 2015 7:43pm
Inandout

Won’t watch any more of Police 10 tonight. There can’t be many police in the world who would meekly put up with being sworn at continually by scum.
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September 3, 2015 7:47pm
Jack5

Milkenmild at 7.34 on Miles-Mojab:

So it doesn’t appear to be from a journalist.

Are you saying we have a journalist masquerading as a non-journalist?
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September 3, 2015 7:48pm
Nostradamus

I see someone – perhaps Cricko – downticked my 7:37pm comment.

Cricko’s link at 5:56pm:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/12559659/John-Key-as-a-fellow-parent-please-help-more-refugee-families

My link at 7:37pm:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/12559659/John-Key-as-a-fellow-parent-please-help-more-refugee-families

So Stuff hasn’t taken down the article. Sorry for pointing out the facts!
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September 3, 2015 7:50pm
mikenmild

Miles-Mojab doesn’t appear to be a journalist, no.
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September 3, 2015 7:51pm
Inandout

Nostradamus: That poor little kid will become the equivalent of the ‘napalm girl’ in the Vietnam War.
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