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Reid

If you knew how badly Islam has been slandered by the west

UT don’t let them get to you.

Apostates I mean.

They’re children.

You know that.

Regard and treat them accordingly.

Islam is Ugly.

No it’s the Western propaganda that’s ugly RP.

Remembering there’s always a grain of truth in propaganda, then how hard is it to find a Muslim who fits their picture, amongst the billions of fanatics and the poor and uneducated. Why, just as hard as it was for Hitler to find the “perfect” Jews who fit his stereotypes. Same thing, different time. Surprised you’re falling for it too, RP. How come?
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September 2, 2015 8:27pm
Jack5

Post 302. C’mon guys, blog!

Redbaiter, Pete George, Kea, are you out there?
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September 2, 2015 8:30pm
RF

Mandk. 7.43pm.

Guess I was correct. Mike Hosking on 7 Sharp confirmed it. He was disgusted with the RSA.
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September 2, 2015 8:31pm
nasska

…..”you are not a Kiwi born and bred.”…..

Not necessarily cricko. The muzzies have been flat out recruiting within the NZ prisons.
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September 2, 2015 8:31pm
mikenmild

I should have thought the rational thing to do, even if you are against the flag change, would be to vote for the alternative you liked the most, rather than trying to pervert the process.
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September 2, 2015 8:33pm
Rich Prick

Dunno bout you Reid, but I’ve watched the beheading videos, the burning videos, the stoning ones, the drowning ones, the gays off tall buildings ones. They are pretty grim and I don’t think any were Western proporganda. They were the real deal from a very ugly death cult. But if you see beauty in that sort of thing ….
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September 2, 2015 8:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Ugly Truth 8:07pm

Like I said, a mental condition.

Since we are all nuts to some degree to be wasting our time here on KB
perhaps you might like to identify your Mental disorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mental_disorders

Griff reckons he’s an Aspie (but I’ve got no evidence that he is!)
I’ll confess to a having a very mild case of Night-eating syndrome.
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September 2, 2015 8:34pm
stephieboy

UglyTruth (6,497 comments) says:
September 2nd, 2015 at 7:39 pm,

I’ll just wait until Dr Rossi’s contraption is taken up by Mighty River and coy and fed into the national grid !

Do keep us updated about the whereabouts of Alison and Adam ?
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September 2, 2015 8:37pm
Jack5

If an Asian stranger stops you in the street and says she (or he) is looking for a Dr Wang, look out…

You might get scopolamine – Devil’s Breath – blown in your face. Then you’re in trouble.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11836976/Three-arrested-in-Paris-over-devils-breath-drug-that-turns-victims-into-willing-zombies.html
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September 2, 2015 8:40pm
Reid

Dunno bout you Reid, but I’ve watched the beheading videos, the burning videos, the stoning ones, the drowning ones, the gays off tall buildings ones. They are pretty grim and I don’t think any were Western proporganda.

No, of course not RP.

But pretending that they reflect the average Muslim and many to most Muslims in the world live for that sort of thing and can’t wait to do it to you and your loved ones, IS a propaganda creation and you see this precise attitude here and on many Western blogs every single day of the year.

Falling for THAT, IS fucking nuts.

But you know what? The great thing about propaganda is the instant one recognises they’re listening to it, they’re inoculated.
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September 2, 2015 8:40pm
Jack5

Ah! a stephieboy post (at 8.37). The machine is switched on.
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September 2, 2015 8:41pm
SPC

nasska, nothing about free men converting to Islam in prison on google search.

I suspect it is the commonality in support for deity rule (and law being in accord with deity rule) – and ugly not having a Jewish mother/not being Zionist and believing that Christianity was corrupted by Paul and (western) democracy being a threat to rule by deity etc.
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September 2, 2015 8:43pm
Rich Prick

OK Reid, but please explain the difference between Muslims and the other shades of grey Muslims to Lee Rigby’s family. The victims of July 7, the Boston bombing, Kuta Beach, Madrid, Bangkok last week, Daniel Pearl’s parents … oh, this really could take all night.
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September 2, 2015 8:46pm
cricko

Good point nasska.

We await UglyTruths response.

Is he a muslim immigrant/refugee to New Zealand or did he convert to islam in the boob ?

Don’t hold your breath for a straight answer from a muslim, there is no such thing.

Taqiyya. Right UglyTruth ?

These muslims even have an out from telling the truth that is a fundamental tenent of their religion.

islam…the only religion that justifies lying.
Taqiyya…look it up if it’s news to you.

What it means is that you can never trust a lying muslim to tell the truth.

Right UglyTruth ?
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September 2, 2015 8:48pm
SPC

RP, IS is what it is, they are merely the culmination of decades of terrorist bombings – of late including mosques frequented by Shia Moslems in Iraq and Pakistan and markets where Moslem civilians gather by Islamists against fellow Moslems. The lack of respect for life itself is what is most disturbing – it is not in the cause of anyone, it is merely violence as a form of nihilism towards life on earth, as if this is a service to god/jihad martyrdom.
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September 2, 2015 8:50pm
nasska

Redefine your search SPC. Googling “muslim converts nz prisons” leads to:

….”A senior Corrections source said there were new concerns that a small number of Maori Muslim inmates were becoming radicalised and might pose a threat on their release. “…..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10690655/Maori-Muslim-backs-Islamic-State

And there’s plenty more in the same vein.
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September 2, 2015 8:56pm
cricko

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

No other religion sanctions lying.
islam is unique in that scum regard.

Does UglyTruth deny that islam is the only religion that is OK with telling lies ?
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September 2, 2015 8:56pm
SPC

Revolutionary Islam is akin to the fascist tenet, that the exercise of power/violence is the ultimate expression of the cause.
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September 2, 2015 8:56pm
Rich Prick

SPC, when it comes to Sunni beheading queues we infidels will most certainly be *ahem* ahead of Shia. But we will all be in the queue.
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September 2, 2015 8:57pm
UglyTruth

Got the guts to put your background on the table so others may get a handle on where you are comming from ?

Born & raised in middle class white conservative NZ, travelled a bit & worked a little overseas, now working full time in NZ.
Brought up Christian, got into theology and studied comparative theology for a few years on and off.
Obviously I’ve spent some time reading up on various conspiracy theories, the area I specialize in is how religion fits into the conspiracy field.
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September 2, 2015 8:59pm
SPC

nasska, er the pertinent detail – as to ugly – is he is one of the free man deity and rule of law types, rather than one of those converted to Islam in prison. He has some overlap with some Moslem sensibilities because as a theist he is dependent on revelation from God in scripture for knowledge of deity.
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September 2, 2015 9:02pm
Reid

OK Reid, but please explain the difference between Muslims and the other shades of grey Muslims to Lee Rigby’s family.

RP I never realised how stupid you are.

Duh.

If those people typify Muslims then how come those things haven’t been happening all over the place since forever, 24/7/365.

I mean to put the cherry on the top of your profound and I mean profound and massive moroninity, those sorts of acts haven’t even been happening even though for the last few decades Western nations, according to you and the rest of the propaganda-soaked idiots – have been simply seething with Muslims.

According to you idiots, Muslims SHOULD have been running around beheading people left, right and centre and we’d be having thousands per day, wouldn’t we.

But no.

Mysteriously, this isn’t happening, in reality, at all. Is it.

So WTF is wrong?

Are you guys going to pull an AGW trick here RP?

Are you going to pay lots of researchers to invent data and announce there are in fact a gajillion beheadings by evil Muslims happening every single day?

Or are you going to admit you’ve been fucking morons and you’re the blind men in the dark room looking for the black cat that isn’t even fucking well there?

Which one of those is going to happen, I wonder.

Hey BTW.

Note I have not once, defended Islam or Muslims.

All I’ve done is pointed out your own idiocy.

See, unlike you idiots, I can recognise propaganda when I see it.

If I was a German living in the 1930’s, I would have been saying precisely the same things I’m saying now to you, as you and the rest of the German idiots, started hallucinating about the “evil” Jews and how we must kill them all.

Because newsflash idiots, that’s where you’re all heading, and I object to the fact you’re dragging the few of us still sane, with you.
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September 2, 2015 9:04pm
AgentBallSack

Brought up Christian, got into theology and studied comparative theology for a few years on and off.
Obviously I’ve spent some time reading up on various conspiracy theories, the area I specialize in is how religion fits into the conspiracy field.

Sounds like a bloody miserable life
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September 2, 2015 9:04pm
nasska

I probably missed that bit SPC. As one who treats all religion as a load of horseshit I tend to gloss over the detail. 🙂
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September 2, 2015 9:05pm
SPC

The difference is between war-time/revolutionary Islam and peace-time Islam.
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September 2, 2015 9:09pm
AgentBallSack

Reid says:
“…If I was a German living in the 1930’s, I would have been saying precisely the same things I’m saying now to you, as you and the rest of the German idiots, started hallucinating about the “evil” Jews and how we must kill them all.”

No if you were a German living back then you would be in denial, or you would be minimising the actual purge, or you would be in agreement that some of those people were deserving of being killed, surely…

Just like you are here.
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September 2, 2015 9:14pm
UglyTruth

From Cricko’s link:

Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

False.

009.004
YUSUFALI: (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
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September 2, 2015 9:16pm
UglyTruth

Sounds like a bloody miserable life

LOL all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
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September 2, 2015 9:19pm
nasska

I reckon that it goes a bit deeper than that SPC. When you take the cumulative atrocities that can be blamed on Judaism, Christianity & Islam the ME goat molesters who hallucinated up the messes don’t have much going for them.

The amount of misery that has its genesis in that region is unbelievable.
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September 2, 2015 9:19pm
Reid

No if you were a German living back then you would be in denial

ABS I’ve been analysing geopolitics since the early 1980s and one thing I roar with laughter at is you morons who hallucinate you’re the canaries in the mine and you’re calling a danger just like Churchill did and why won’t people listen.

It’s not there mate.

Just like the Jewish danger wasn’t there in Germany.

But you and the rest of the idiots are being sucked into thinking it’s here, it’s real and it’s imminent, just like the German people were in the 1930s.

History repeats when you forget it.

Most people know the first two words but they don’t realise there’s a corollary.

The West is being setup for a war. A Muslim-Christian conflict. That’s why you’re getting the propaganda. But you don’t have to listen to it. And that’s the one thing that’ll stop it.
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September 2, 2015 9:21pm
cricko

UglyTruth

You are a lying POS. (Piece of shit)

When taqiyya is a basic tenet of islam why would anyone trust the word of any lying toe rag that
professed to follow such a religion.

Maybre Reid can come to the aid of his lying mate and point to any other religion that sanctions lying.

By the way…. Do you deny that you are a liar ?

How can you deny that lying like a flatfish is a basic tenet of islam.

Is there any other religion on earth that sanctions lying ?
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September 2, 2015 9:21pm
stephieboy

UglyTruth (6,500 comments) says:
September 2nd, 2015 at 8:59 pm

Got the guts to put your background on the table so others may get a handle on where you are comming from ?

Just a reminder your under no obligation to answer this coming as it does from the unhinged and demented ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_znYyh7t63E
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September 2, 2015 9:27pm
SPC

nasska, I don’t think so, the expression of faith/cause through violence – religious or nationalist/ethnic cause is the worst of humanity.

Private faith is harmless to others and groups of faith can co-exist peacefully, nations and ethnic groups can also peacefully co-exist.

Sure there is still intolerance within groups and nations to sectors of their population but with peace, there is the chance for progressive evolution.
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September 2, 2015 9:28pm
Kimbo

@ cricko

You are a lying POS…

By the way…. Do you deny that you are a liar ?

Like I posted before, watching you and UglyTruth go at it has all the guilty pleasure of a cripple fight: –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYrejoJ8jY

…and I’d usually just watch on the sidelines.

However, exactly how does someone you accuse of being a liar possibly deny it in a satisfactory way?

Just asking.

Now, I’m on to my second bucket of popcorn, so as you were…
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September 2, 2015 9:29pm
Reid

cricko let’s try your tactic against Jews, shall we.

Note to all: the following is an experiment, to show cricko what a moron she is, not to show hate against Jews. But she uses precisely the same tactics as the below, against Muslims, and many of you here, evidently have no problem with that. So what’s good for the goose…

Do you deny Jews are rapacious?

Do you deny Jews are ruthless, arrogant swine who murder innocents? (If so look at Palestine – go on, I dare you)

Do you deny Jews are in high places in business, in politics, in media, in law?

Do you deny the Talmud says the following:

* “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

* “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

* “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

* What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

* “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

* “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

* “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)

* “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

* “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

* “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

* “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

* “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

* “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

[’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

* Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

* “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

* “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

* “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

* “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

Well?
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September 2, 2015 9:34pm
cricko

Anyway, it’s been a great day exposing muslims for the lying bludger stone age scum that they are.

And just by using their own words.

G’nite all, and good luck to your families.
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September 2, 2015 9:34pm
Jack5

I’m sceptical about comparisons between the Jewish refugees of the 1930s and the current Muslim influx to Europe.

One organisation pushing NZ to increase its Muslim refugee take – Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated – is part of the international Amnesty organisation that is hostile to Israel. Amnesty has said of the Israel-Gaza confrontation:

Israeli forces committed war crimes and human rights violations during a 50-day military offensive in the Gaza Strip

No balancing mention of the rockets into Israel that provoked the offensive. So what are such activists up to referring to the persecution of Jews in 1930s Germany?

Talking of Palestine and persecution of the Jews, Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was Palestine nationalist leader during World War 2. He was a Nazi collaborator and met Hitler. He helped recruit Bosnian Muslims for the SS.

Much, perhaps most, of the present gatecrashing into Europe, is by illegal economic migrants. You can bet that richer life in Europe, including its welfare and health care, are drawing many of the Syrians from Turkish camps to Europe. I’m not aware they are being forced to wear distinguishing armbands in Turkey or are beaten or spat on in the Turkish streets or are in danger of being gassed to death.

The Jewish refugees of the 1930s were fleeing for their very lives, not for a better standard of living.
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September 2, 2015 9:34pm
Rich Prick

I’m sorry to have tripped your fuse Ried. Lots of anger there. Consider help.
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September 2, 2015 9:40pm
Reid

The Jewish refugees of the 1930s were fleeing for their very lives, not for a better standard of living.

The Muslim refugees of 2015 are fleeing the wars created by the West, Jack.

Iraq, Libya and Syria.

West, West, West.

Poetic justice really.

And when you look at what the West’s creation, ISIS does, in terms of enslaving and raping anyone, from 1 to 100, how were the Nazis any worse?

Did the Nazi’s rape one year olds? ISIS does.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-price-list-for-child-slaves-confirmed-as-genuine-by-un-official-zainab-bangura-10437348.html

Consider help.

I’m very relaxed RP. The only thing that annoys me is wilful ignorance that damages others. Like what you’re doing in supporting the modern-day Nazi’s. You should be thinking about helping others too, but clearly you’re not in lifting a finger. You should think about that. I’m happy to stand before my maker. Are you?
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September 2, 2015 9:40pm
UglyTruth

You are a lying POS. (Piece of shit)

Didn’t I just say much the same about you cricko?
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
But the difference between you and I is that I can back up my allegation and you can’t.

When taqiyya is a basic tenet of islam why would anyone trust the word of any lying toe rag that
professed to follow such a religion.

You are assuming your conclusion, asshole. Lying toe rags obviously cannot be trusted.

Maybre Reid can come to the aid of his lying mate and point to any other religion that sanctions lying.

Maybe you should just shut your stupid lying mouth before you go and make things worse for yourself.

And the YHWH said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
And there came forth a spirit, and stood before YHWH, and said, I will persuade him.
And YHWH said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1 Kings 22:20-22

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Romans 3:7

By the way…. Do you deny that you are a liar ?

Of course. Do you?

How can you deny that lying like a flatfish is a basic tenet of islam.

Because your ambiguity is interpreted against your interests, not again my interests.
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September 2, 2015 9:41pm
Jack5

Reid (9.34). Where did you get this garbage? Such anti-Semitism is stark, irrational, and sad.

I agree with you in your 9.40 post that the West seems to have fucked up in Iraq and Libya. But mad excesses like the Al Qaeda, ISIS, and the Taleban are Muslim made.
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September 2, 2015 9:43pm
UglyTruth

I’m sorry to have tripped your fuse Ried. Lots of anger there. Consider help.

You are way more in need of help than Reid is, Rich Prick, but you are too blind to realize it.
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September 2, 2015 9:44pm
nasska

Don’t see it that way SPC. If faith was on a personal level then what you posit could perhaps be possible but it isn’t. All three ME religions have strong hierarchies who are reliant on evangelism or conquest growing the pool of punters they leach their power & wealth off.

Islam is highly political…..Judaism & Christianity somewhat less but all the sects wield tremendous power which can be directed against dynasties or governments that don’t toe the accepted line.

Basically none of the faiths will pay more than lip service to peace. People not fighting for their lives or facing tragedy might have time to sit back & see the sellers of smoke & dreams for the frauds that they are.
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September 2, 2015 9:44pm
Reid

Where did you get this garbage?

The Talmud Jack, like I said.

Duh.

Unlike you, I don’t care what any given thing is, I prefer to look at the reality of whatever it may be. Anything else is just lying to yourself or forming a deliberately false view of reality.

The reason I don’t care is because I don’t judge. I recognise evil and I recognise good but I don’t judge other people or other things. I judge only myself, what I think, what I do and what I say. Everything else is mere data. And I don’t filter that which is unpleasant, because that’s bimbo territory.

Al Qa-ida and ISIS were Western inventions BTW.
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September 2, 2015 9:48pm
UglyTruth

Anyway, it’s been a great day exposing muslims for the lying bludger stone age scum that they are.

You know, there are probably plenty of Kiwibloggers who are bigoted enough to believe that.

And just by using their own words.

No, by using misrepresentations of their words like I showed in my 9:16.

G’nite all, and good luck to your families.

Fuck you, liar.
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September 2, 2015 9:49pm
Jack5

Reid (9.48) re your reading the Talmud: you read Hebrew?
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September 2, 2015 9:50pm
Reid

No Jack, do you?
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September 2, 2015 9:53pm
Jack5

Reid, no I don’t know Hebrew, or Arabic, or Aramaic or any of the languages of the Middle East. I didn’t know the Talmud was available in English translation, but I’m not interested enough to read it any way.

This is post 348 in today’s General Debate. Well done folk! Take the count up to 350, Reid, then we can all log off Kiwiblog.
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September 2, 2015 9:55pm
Reid

Everything’s available in translation Jack.

Also, why does anyone get excited about the Talmud saying things like what I give above, when cricko gives quotes like those all the time and no-one bats an eye??

Why is that?

Bias?

Prejudice?

Ignorance?

All three?

Who knows.

But one guarantees if I’d posted that same post at 10 AM on a Saturday it would excite all kinds of diversions whereas Cricko’s bullshit? Meh.

Guarantee it. And one day, I will.

But not this weekend.

One Saturday when everyone’s forgotten all about it.

Just as an experiment.

Between you and I Jack.
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September 2, 2015 10:01pm
Jack5

I have to push the count of the thread up to 350 myself. Sorry.

I know it’s illogical and superstitious, but 349 is a prime number and I’m buggered if I can log off leaving this thread on 349. If anyone wants to add posts, it would be good if you didn’t end the thread on posts 353 or 359. Thank you.

Good night fellow stirrers!
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September 2, 2015 10:33pm
Rich Prick

My first venture into late night Kiwi Blog confirms my long held fears. It’s inhabited by self affirming whack-jobs. Keep whacking guys. Parts of you deserve it.
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September 2, 2015 11:13pm
Manolo

Islamic shitholes like Yemen should be left alone: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/red-cross-workers-shot-dead-in-northern-yemen/ar-AAdS91b?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Two Red Cross aid workers have been shot dead in northern Yemen by unknown assailants, the humanitarian organisation said.

A spokesperson for the International Committee for the Red Cross told Al Jazeera the workers, Yemeni nationals, were on their way from a mission in the city of Saada to the main office in the capital Sanaa on Wednesday when gunmen opened fire on their vehicle. The pair were travelling with two colleagues in two vehicles “clearly” marked with the Red Cross emblem when they were stopped in Amran province by a gunman who opened fire at the vehicles.
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September 3, 2015 6:29am
Viking2

Oh well now.
DIDN’T SEE THIS COMING.

All Black captain Richie McCaw may be keen on using the silver fern in a new national flag – but New Zealand Rugby warned the design committee not to use its trademarked silver fern logo.

McCaw said on Monday that he welcomed the flag debate and thought the silver fern represented “what it means to be a Kiwi”. The symbol meant a lot to the All Blacks, so “something like that probably wouldn’t hurt”.

All Black captain Richie McCaw may be keen on using the silver fern in a new national flag – but New Zealand Rugby warned the design committee not to use its trademarked silver fern logo.

McCaw said on Monday that he welcomed the flag debate and thought the silver fern represented “what it means to be a Kiwi”. The symbol meant a lot to the All Blacks, so “something like that probably wouldn’t hurt”.

However, a spokeswoman for the Flag Consideration Project said officials met with the NZ Rugby Union to discuss whether it would allow its trademarked fern to be used in designs for a new flag.

The discussion occurred because a number of people had used the fern in their design submissions.

Officials were told permission to use the fern on a new flag was unlikely to be granted.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11507004

WELL ACTUALLY WE DID WAY BACK.
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September 3, 2015 6:46am
Manolo

The Left, do-gooders and hand-wringers are all shouting: “Double the quota” (of refugees) this morning.
Can NZ afford more Muslim immigrants? Will the PM and Labour lite stand firm?
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September 3, 2015 6:54am
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Since I saw those Australian figures on the drop in deaths due to discouraging boat people, every time someone suggests we take more refugees I’m wondering if they are effectively demanding we support a complicated system to arrange to kill people via people smuggling proxies.
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