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SPC

mikenmild, is residency now a prerequisite for citizenship in Oz?

Is residency denied to Kiwis as they can live and work in Oz without it?
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September 29, 2015 4:19pm
Left Right and Centre

Obesity epidemic creates niche retail markets, as evidenced by Porirua clothing shop . . .

*Billi’s – big sizes for bigger men* Xs – XXXXXXXs
Handy location near all the food shops. Have a feed – try on a tent – have another feed – chur
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September 29, 2015 4:20pm
SPC

Permanent residency would open the door to citizenship, which is increasingly rare among New Zealanders in Australia.

Under the current rules, thousands of New Zealanders living and working in Australia will never be eligible for permanent residency, usually because they do not have in-demand skills.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8258236/Australia-mulls-plan-for-Kiwis-residency
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September 29, 2015 4:31pm
Albert_Ross

Incredibly, Jarrod Gilbert is STILL going on about his spat with the Minister and the Department of Corrections last year over gang-related statistics.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11520398

What does he expect to achieve through this? Does he actually want the problem of gang crime to be addressed, or is his interest solely in reminding everybody how clever and knowledgeable he is? He has never explained why he thought it preferable to publicly gloat over the error, an approach which was likely only to result in entrenched positions, rather than to point it out to the Minister’s office, enabling them to quietly correct it and reconsider their approach in a more informed way. Does he think good, thoughtful policy decisions are more likely to be made, the more a Minister is embarrassed and under media pressure?
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September 29, 2015 4:31pm
Manolo

Putin is showing leadership, whereas the amateur Messiah flounders: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11895857/Vladimir-Putin-and-Barack-Obama-speak-at-UN-General-Assembly-live.html

Vladimir Putin snubbed Barack Obama and revived Russia’s historic role in the Middle East on Monday by calling for a new “broad coalition” to fight Isil based on co-operation with the Assad regime.

In his long-awaited speech at the United Nations, the Russian president fiercely attacked American policy in Syria and around the world and criticised the West for “exporting social experiments” in the form of democratic revolutions, which he blamed for the Middle East crisis.
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September 29, 2015 4:41pm
publicwatchdog

Meanwhile – in Europe – pressure against the TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) grows ……

“In an interview with French regional newspaper Sud Ouest published Monday, Junior Trade Minister Matthias Fekl said TTIP negotiations were favoring American interests and “either weren’t advancing or were progressing in the wrong direction.”
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http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/09/28/will-ttip-get-terminated-negotiations-falter-europe-balks? utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Monday, September 28, 2015
by Common Dream

Will TTIP Get Terminated? Negotiations Falter as Europe Balks

As EU-US trade talks flounder, France doesn’t rule out ‘an outright termination of negotiations’

by Deirdre Fulton, staff writer

Almost 3 million people across Europe have signed a petition calling on the European Commission to scrap the agreement.

While public opposition to the TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)—the massive proposed “trade” deal between the European Union and the United States—has grown steadily since negotiations started two years ago, new signs suggest that official government backing is also faltering across Europe.

In an interview with French regional newspaper Sud Ouest published Monday, Junior Trade Minister Matthias Fekl said TTIP negotiations were favoring American interests and “either weren’t advancing or were progressing in the wrong direction.”

“If nothing changes, it will show that there isn’t the will to achieve mutually beneficial negotiations,” he said, before adding: “France is considering all options including an outright termination of negotiations.”

Meanwhile, a group of more than 55 UK members of parliament (MPs) has signed onto a motion expressing major concerns about the mammoth trade pact, which civil society groups have dubbed a corporate giveaway. Caroline Lucas, the Green Party MP, put forward the Commons motion, and it has now been signed by every member of the Scottish National Party group at Westminster, as well as the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.

Politico’s Paul Ames wrote of the “cooling ardor on both sides of the Atlantic” earlier this month, saying that since talks began in July 2013, the trade deal “has lost some of its shine.”

“Concern over the impact of TTIP has united disparate groups,” he wrote, “from French farmers to German constitutional lawyers and politicians on the left and right.”

Almost 3 million people across Europe have signed a petition calling on the Commission to scrap the agreement.

Last week, the Oxford-based group ‘We Own It,’ which deals with national issues surrounding public services, held a demonstration against the proposed TTIP, warning that it could lead to private businesses being too heavily involved in public services.

Cat Hobbs, an organizer with the group, told the Oxford Mail: “The idea is that it would open up new markets to private companies and the reality here is that it’s going to open up public services to private companies. Multi-national corporations’ rights will become more important than ours.”

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September 29, 2015 4:54pm
Reid

Important update on the Pope.

#1:

Yesterday, as Pope Francis’ plane was preparing to land at Andrews, the pilots were forced to keep the plane in the air, circling and circling and circling, because Barack was doing his trademark “late for everything to remind everyone who is the most important” passive/aggressive move. The Pope’s reaction.

#2: His Holiness then prepares to meet Michelle. Then meets her.
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September 29, 2015 5:04pm
SPC

Reid, a proponent of the miracle birth of the Messiah Obama’s daughters?
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September 29, 2015 5:34pm
EAD

“It is a strange fact indeed that with all the modern communication techniques and technology, of data storage, retrieval and transfer, of telecommunications, TV, radio, newspapers and Internet, the vast majority of the world’s people are wholly ignorant of the fact that the World is being propelled into global conflict … into World War III.

Not only are they ignorant of the fact of this new reality the vast majority are also wholly indifferent to any proper understanding of exactly how the world is governed and how they are manipulated into conflicts and wars by a shadowy elite lusting for absolute power over everyone everywhere from the cradle to the grave. These tyrants-in-waiting are the true Lords of Power who work behind the scenes, away from the glare of publicity and well out of public scrutiny. They are the masters of the Great Game who control politicians, political parties, central banks and all other organisations of any consequence by placemen and agents of influence under their control”

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/world_at_war.html
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September 29, 2015 5:34pm
mikenmild

Oh, the dreaded Freemasons. Sure it’s not the ‘Zionists’, EAD?
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September 29, 2015 5:44pm
SPC

EAD, order out of chaos in the embrace of octopussy tentacles …
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September 29, 2015 5:45pm
nasska

Although EAD predicted that the world would end this month we shouldn’t call him an idiot.

We’ve got a couple of idiots here already & they’ll likely find it very offensive.
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September 29, 2015 5:47pm
mikenmild

He’s still to get back to me on the latest date that I can stock up on gold and ammo, nasska.
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September 29, 2015 5:48pm
SPC

The USA is embarking on a large scale export of LNG (concentrated gas is easier to transport in bulk) to world markets – targets Japan and Europe. They are building export facilities across the USA for this purpose.

They are producing it at a large discount to current market prices so will make a large profit on it.
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September 29, 2015 5:49pm
nasska

EAD has devoted so much time to warning us of the end times that I thought I should make some kind of preparation for survival Mike.

But then, I’ve only just finished the last of the bloody baked beans I bought for the Millennium Bug.
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September 29, 2015 5:53pm
EAD

That was a useful experiment – see how long it takes to flush out the lurkers, turds, and civil servants
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September 29, 2015 5:53pm
dirty harry

Peaceful native at play again , aren’t they lovely

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/72537601/wanted-man-accused-of-strangling-police-officer
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September 29, 2015 5:55pm
nasska

You’re not totally useless EAD…..you can be used as a poor example of logical thought. 🙂
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September 29, 2015 5:56pm
ex-golfer

Why does Phil Goff (known as F-goff in my student days) always need to shout when being interviewed?
Is he going deaf?
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September 29, 2015 6:02pm
Nookin

“Let’s suppose, for argument’s sake, that John Key owns shares in Kiwibank.

Let’s suppose further, again for argument’s sake, that Kiwibank and Bank of America would derive similar commercial benefits from the TPPA.

Would John Key’s shareholding in Kiwibank amount to a conflict of interest?”

Does not wash, Nosty. Kiwibank has a single shareholder (NZ Post). However, John Key’s mate, Bill English, has a significant shareholding in NZ Post and, for some, there is enough evidence there to conclude that he holds some of those shares for his mate John Key. The question is, how many shares in Bank Of America does Kiwibank Asset Management Ltd have? If the Prime Minister actively pursues NZ’s interests then clearly he will be seen to be pursuing his own pecuniary advantage for no reason other than the secret deal between him and Bill English concerning the ownership of the NZ Post shares.

Sneakily, he is actively promoting the interests of the Bank Of America in the full knowledge that Kiwibank Asset Management Limited as a substantial holding in Bank of America and, consequently, Kiwibank’s overseas investments will dramatically increase. The subtlety of all this is ingenious. The Prime Minister clearly diverts attention from the secret deal he has with Bill English while at the same time titillating Penelope Bright’s paranoid delusions that the Prime Minister spends every waking moment of his life focused on the improvement in value of Bank of America stock.
Now if you will excuse me, a magpie has taken off with my tinfoil hat and I have to go and buy dinner.
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September 29, 2015 6:21pm
Gabby

HE KNOWS YOU HAVE TO SPEAK LOUDLY TO FOREIGNERS AND IDIOTS, EX-GOOFER.
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September 29, 2015 6:34pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Michelle Obama does not have the body shape of a man.

This has to be one of the stupider conspiracy theories.
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September 29, 2015 6:38pm
mikenmild

There are non-stupid conspiracy theories?
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September 29, 2015 6:43pm
Reid

Michelle Obama does not have the body shape of a man.

No, of course not.

She looks more like a horse, to me.

Hillary too could be said in certain lights to bear a striking resemblance.

What is it about these first ladies lately?

Have the sheeple not only lost their minds, they’ve lost their elegance and taste as well?

Oh the humanity.
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September 29, 2015 6:45pm
Lucia Maria

Mike,

Yes. Though, my use of the word stupider implies scale, not absence of stupidity.
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September 29, 2015 6:46pm
mikenmild

You sure she’s not a shape-shifting lizard, Reid? Or one of those ‘fake’ Jews?
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September 29, 2015 6:51pm
Reid

Although EAD predicted that the world would end this month we shouldn’t call him an idiot.

No back in January when things were going fine he said by September things wouldn’t be going fine, at all.

And of course, when precisely what he said, happened, all the sheeple started bleating madly because they couldn’t possibli credit EAD with real perspicacity for that would mean they’d have to start listening to other things he is right about and that’s just never going to happen, because sheeple are sheeple and sheeple who are about to have their throats cut, want to be surprised when it happens. They don’t want to look at the train, they just want to turn round at the last minute and splat. Don’t they.
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September 29, 2015 7:00pm
mikenmild

EAD is a fruitcake. He predicted global economic collapse for September. His quotes have been re-pasted here several times. Now he is backing away from it, saying the economic collapse is beginning now
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September 29, 2015 7:03pm
Reid

Guess which side of the toilet roll you should install. Is it over under or under over?

The mystery solved.

http://patriotretort.com/mr-opinions-has-some-competition/

He predicted global economic collapse for September.

The thing you sheeple refuse to recognise is he said it would happen in September back in January when all you idiots were hallucinating everything was fine because your MSM bastards hadn’t, as usual, told you morons a fucking thing about what was really happening. And the fact he swam against the tide of happy bleating, should be giving you sheeple pause for thought about who knows and tells you things of import and who doesn’t. No surprises it hasn’t, for reasons aforesaid, but it should.
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September 29, 2015 7:07pm
nasska

Bollocks Reid.

If you predict rain for 365 days of the year you’ll get it right some of the time. If you predict woe, doom & financial downturns every day for a decade sooner or later you can stand up & claim that you saw it coming.

There’s absolutely nothing any person or any clique can do about it anyway. You have one life so live it.
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September 29, 2015 7:09pm
mikenmild

EAD is a great fan of the bullshit website Zero Hedge, nasska. It has accurately predicted 200 of the last two recessions.
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September 29, 2015 7:12pm
Left Right and Centre

Soft post alert – scroll down or read at your own risk . . .
general running: Nice day, 10km, right ? At 3km I’m like a car running out of juice – going well enough but about to crap out. Knew I’d stop at 5km (one lap) and give up. **GIVE UP**. 24’58”. That burns mate. That hurts. What can you do, right ? Well – you can wait half an hour – have a change of heart – get back out there and *redeem yourself* . . finish the ten – almost beat the sunset – and in 22’13”. From dead and buried – good comeback. O yea of little faith. I’ve got that feel alive flavour – feeling the love again – OH YEAH !!!!!!!
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September 29, 2015 7:14pm
Harriet

“…You have one life so live it….”

Yeah Reid stop everything you are doing……and spend all of your life in Ekatahuna instead……Paris of the New World the locals call it. 😎
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September 29, 2015 7:22pm
Reid

Bollocks Reid.

If you predict rain for 365 days of the year you’ll get it right some of the time.

He didn’t and doesn’t nasska. Some of the sheeple bleat he did precisely that but if you look at what he has said and does say specifically back in January, he is very clear.

The sheeple conflate the fact he always talks about the downside with hallucinating that therefore he predicts rain all the time. If the fools actually opened their ears and listened to what he was ACTUALLY saying rather than quickly skimming and ASSUMING he was just, once again, saying the same old thing, again and again they would see that what I have just said is the case. But it suits their narrative or rather, their cognitive dissonance, not so to read, but to hallucinate, so they do.

Just like they hallucinate Syria is about Assad being mean to his people, Gaddaffi the same, and so on and so forth.

Consequently, when the train goes splat, they’ll all be astounded. Where the fuck did THAT come from, they will bleat.

Too bad Kiwiblog and all the other websites won’t be available anymore, at that particular moment.

True story nasska.

Or else.

Not a threat of course mate, just don’t be dumb, like they are being.
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September 29, 2015 7:22pm
nasska

Previously on Kiwiblog:

“EAD (2,864 comments) says:
June 11th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Everything falling into place for a September crash of the financial markets:”

“EAD (2,864 comments) says:
June 21st, 2015 at 9:26 am
Spreadbury gives a time horizon of up to 5 years for this systematic event to occur. Where EAD differs is that I give it no more than 5 months before the crash (September 2015 to be precise) – a call I made and advised people on in March last year.”

My heading dog could make better predictions using a watermelon instead of a crystal ball.

EAD is full of shit! 🙂
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September 29, 2015 7:23pm
dirty harry

Mike Hosking. Has anybody else noticed how MH constantly watches himself in the studio monitor. There are 2 monitors , one to his left up high and one to his right down low. Whenever he is in discussions with his co presenter he watches himself. He thinks he is clever. He thinks that no one will notice. I notice Hosking, it is very blatant. You are a vain git Hosking. You love yourself a little too much.
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September 29, 2015 7:31pm
Reid

Everything falling into place for a September crash of the financial markets:”

What the hell do you think happened in China nasska?

You are a vain git Hosking.

Tick.

You love yourself a little too much.

A little?
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September 29, 2015 7:32pm
SPC

EAD is a fan of the 7 year market crash theory, loosely based on the historic concept of debt forgiveness every seven years – concept of renewal of economic activity.

On this occasion there was convergence with a Jewish jubilee/shemitah – that follows 7 7th years.

The problem with trying to find patterns to the apocalyptic downfall of the bad establishment is lapsing into the role of false prophet – due to a hydra head of wish fulfilment/trying to pose as more knowing/reassurance in historic patterns.
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September 29, 2015 7:38pm
SPC

Reid, the Chinese market is still higher than it was in March last year.
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September 29, 2015 7:43pm
mikenmild

SPC
But Reid and EAD need there to be a crash, so they will redefine what is happening now as a crash.
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September 29, 2015 7:45pm
EAD

Thank you Reid,

What’s scares them most, and is why they are lashing out so violently is that if they admit I’m right on this, what the hell else are you and I right about?

When I made the call, everyone on this blog was basking in the glow of the so called “rock star” economy. I told them why it was all bullshit and that in less than 9 months time we would be starting a deeper economic crisis than 2008.

And how I was laughed at and ridiculed. Well look now at the tsunami of economic shocks that has been hitting us the past 3 months. China is in full blown crisis, politicians are talking about banning cash and even locally here more than a third of NZ farmers are insolvent (defined as there operating cash flow can’t meet their expenses).

I honestly think Nasska is at home waiting for a single day 10% crash in world share markets and the talking bobbleheads to tell him we are at the start of a depression before he would admit I was exactly right.

Whats going to be really interesting is to watch their explanations for the group political goings on in Syria over the next few months. The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics is going to make their minds hurt as they try to make it fit their set in stone narratives.
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September 29, 2015 7:50pm
SPC

There is no need to dramatise the economic problems about, there is enough material to work with.

EAD, farmers go through insolvency when the market price bottoms and when there is drought, this happens a few times each decade.
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September 29, 2015 7:51pm
mikenmild

But when should i get my gold and ammo, EAD?
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September 29, 2015 7:52pm
SPC

An interesting and useful guide to the change in attitude in China as to their new normal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34344926
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September 29, 2015 8:00pm
nasska

Mike

Don’t leave it too late! A few tins of baked beans & a read of this may be the difference between life & death:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/26fmf55w1yzc3z3/Survivalist%20Nuts%201.jpg?dl=0
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September 29, 2015 8:04pm
mikenmild

I think I’ll just catch up on a few episodes of ‘Doomsday Preppers’.

https://www.youtube.com/show/doomsdaypreppers
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September 29, 2015 8:08pm
stigie

Should i bail the sharemarket EAD, grab the dog and head into the hills…?
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September 29, 2015 8:13pm
nasska

Accept that cannibalism may be necessary to survive! 🙁
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September 29, 2015 8:18pm
Reid

The most important thing is to make sure you’ve downloaded all the data you might need. Because when it happens the web will be down, permanently.

And you’ll be left with the tender mercy of the MSM.

So think about that and load what you think you may need onto a cheap $100 1 TB portable hard drive.

Why not.

What harm might that do.
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September 29, 2015 8:30pm
mikenmild

Here’s a great craziness I hadn’t heard of before. Nuclear truthers!
http://www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/index.html
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September 29, 2015 8:35pm
stigie

Fuck me, i might have to fire up the Skoda as well !~
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September 29, 2015 8:36pm
nasska

“A mentally unstable ex-prisoner, when abused by a small town Police force, he begins a one man war against it. Death does not fear him, and with nothing but his survival skills, he stays one step ahead of the law – laying in wait for his moment to strike.”

No it’s not EAD…..it’s Rambo : First Blood (1982) 🙂
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September 29, 2015 8:45pm
publicwatchdog

NZ Prime Minister John Key backs up his golfing buddy USA President Barack Obama over Syria.

No surprises there ….
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The Prime Minister says the immediate removal of the Assad regime is no longer a necessary starting point for achieving peace in Syria.

Prime Minister John Key

Speaking from New York, where he is attending the United Nations General Assembly, John Key said he supported comments made by US President Barack Obama.

“If you listen very carefully to what President Obama said today, he said that there was essentially a sort of multi-staged way of carrying out changes in Syria,” said Mr Key.

“And it was very much along the lines that both elements of concern in Syria would need to change over time, but not necessarily as a starting point. That’s really where New Zealand is at.”
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September 29, 2015 9:03pm
renderer

Penny, do you get double points for posting the same shit on GD and Open mike?
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September 29, 2015 9:11pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

NZ Prime Minister John Key backs up his golfing buddy USA President Barack Obama over Syria.

Excellent! This is your chance (as an aspiring mayoral candidate) to step up and show leadership!

What’s your solution for the Middle East conflict?
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September 29, 2015 9:16pm
Nostradamus

Oh – and if you’re in the mood to answer questions, Penny, there’s six more.

As a CONFIRMED 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate, and as the 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate who polled 4th with 11,723 votes – why wasn’t I asked these questions?

Those six questions you demanded to be asked (but refuse to answer):

1. What is your solution to the reported level of foreign ownership of residential property?
2. What one thing would you do to help solve the housing shortage?
3. Would you cap the rate rise?
4. Would you cut any major projects, and if so, what?
5. What is more important – a bigger road network/new roads or more bus lanes/cycle paths/walking paths?
6. Why would you be a good mayor?

Auckland voters deserve some answers…
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September 29, 2015 9:26pm
Tauhei Notts

New Zealand at $2.10 is remarkably good price offered on our TAB.
Foreign betting sites cannot beat those odds.
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September 29, 2015 9:30pm
mikenmild

Any other team at $1.67 should be tempting for big bruv and Longknives.
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September 29, 2015 9:36pm
Reid

My biggest regret is when it happens I won’t be here to say:

And the sheeple go

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

It’s not fair.
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September 29, 2015 10:29pm
itstricky

And the sheeple go

I thought it was the colored girls, Reed?
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September 29, 2015 10:43pm
cha

Gods! – reid man pictures!
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September 29, 2015 10:51pm
Scott Chris

What’s scares them most, and is why they are lashing out so violently is that if they admit I’m right on this, what the hell else are you and I right about?

We’ve definitely reached the Black Knight Threshold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690
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September 29, 2015 11:13pm
Manolo

Filthy rich: http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2015/09/29/the-mystery-of-hillarys-missing-millions/

Since Bill and Hillary Clinton left the White House in 2001, they have earned more than $230 million. But in federal filings the Clintons claim they are worth somewhere between $11 million and $53 million. After layering years of disclosures on top of annual tax returns, Forbes estimates their combined net worth at $45 million. Where did all of the money go? No one seems to know, and the Clintons aren’t offering any answers.

From 2001 to 2014 the power couple spent $95 million on taxes. Hillary’s 2008 presidential run cost her $13 million. Their two homes cost a combined $5 million, and the Clintons have given away $22 million to charity. All of this is according to FEC filings, property records and years of tax returns. Add it up and you get $135 million. If the Clintons made $230 million, spent $135 million and have just $45 million left over, what happened to the other $50 million?

“That’s kind of strange,” says Joe Biden’s accountant, Walter Deyhle. “You have to report all of your assets. You have to report assets that are owned by your spouse.”
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September 30, 2015 6:10am
Manolo

More Muslim love in the making: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/28/l-todd-wood-isis-planning-nuclear-tsunami/

Nuclear annihilation across the globe. This is what a German reporter who successfully embedded with the Islamic State says the terror group is planning. Jurgen Todenhofer released his findings in a book titled “Inside IS – Ten Days in the Islamic State,” reports the UK’s Daily Express.
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