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Lucia Maria

Nasska,

The only way for that to happen would be for all those such as yourself, who prefer what you prefer, is for you all to cease to exist. In lieu of that, since God is a creator, not a destroyer, there is a special place in the afterlife for those who don’t want to be anywhere near God. It’s the best He can do.

Denying reality doesn’t make it go away.
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September 26, 2015 4:57pm
Manolo

@nasska: The Pope is a “prog” and a favourite of our resident progressive stephieboy. Draw your own conclusions.
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September 26, 2015 5:04pm
Manolo

Is Griff an advisor to this myth-peddler? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/25/pope-francis-to-the-united-nations-environmental-degradation-threatens-the-very-existence-of-the-human-species/
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September 26, 2015 5:11pm
Scott Chris

The Pope is a “prog” and a favourite of our resident progressive stephieboy. Draw your own conclusions.

And Donald Trump is ‘the real deal’ and favourite of our resident conspiracy theorists Reid, Wiki and EAD. Draw your own conclusions.
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September 26, 2015 5:31pm
Odakyu-sen

It’s after 5:00 p.m., so that means “Religious Hour” (that goes on for more than 60 minutes) on KiwiBlog.

Where do you boys find the energy?
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September 26, 2015 5:32pm
Scott Chris

Fictional characters aside, Nasska and Mike, even Jesus’ disciples kept misunderstanding what He meant.

People tend to read into the bible what they want to believe, such as you thinking ,”If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off…” means Jesus was condemning masturbation.

Fact is he wanted you to masturbate with your left hand only.
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September 26, 2015 5:37pm
Odakyu-sen

Scott,

As you know, the Bible (in English) is a translation of the source texts. You have to be careful not to take a translation literally, unless you have a working knowledge of the source texts and an understanding of the cultural norms of the day (when the source texts were written).

Trust me. I know what I’m talking about when it come to translation theory.
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September 26, 2015 5:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen

It’s after 5:00 p.m., so that means “Religious Hour”

or conspiracy / weird sexual practice/ climate wingbattery hour(s).

I’m sure there are a few other topics that could be discussed of an evening, but perhaps TV is a more exciting alternative for most folks.
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September 26, 2015 5:41pm
Odakyu-sen

Hello Maggy,

I hadn’t thought of that (but I think you’re on to something).

As for myself, I am going out for desert tonight to a particular cafe in Auckland that serves the best Sticky Date Pudding in the Souther Hemisphere. (Like the Chinese, the Japanese don’t do deserts particularly well. I’ll say one thing: just about every Japanese person I know just loves Sticky Date Pudding with butterscotch sauce.)
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September 26, 2015 5:46pm
Lucia Maria

Scott Chris,

People tend to read into the bible what they want to believe, such as you thinking ,”If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off…” means Jesus was condemning masturbation.

You still remember that! Must have made quite an impression.

Fact is he wanted you to masturbate with your left hand only.

See, this is why there is a Church and a Pope and a Magisterium.
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September 26, 2015 5:54pm
mikenmild

Oh yes, we couldn’t take Jeebus’s words at face value. That might be too radical for vested religious interests. So a hierarchy is obviously necessary to interpret the message to support each generation of control freaks.
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September 26, 2015 5:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen

I nearly divorced the hubby last week when he challenged my spelling of dessert.

Jeez…. and we’ve got a daughter who is a dessert chef!

Anyway, enjoy your desert date pud…
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September 26, 2015 6:00pm
Odakyu-sen

Hello Maggy,

Thanks for pointing that out. Just desserts for writing too hastily.
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September 26, 2015 6:10pm
wiseowl

Wonder if there are any politicians willing to reverse the daylight saving changes forced on the country by Dunne and Barker.

Really good BBQ weather at present with cool temperatures and rain every day.

Do away with daylight saving.
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September 26, 2015 6:27pm
Lucia Maria

This is my current favourite dessert (both easy to make and very yummy) : Cinnamon Apple Pie. I do a 2/3 version in a 22cm tin, as the 26cm is just too big.

I have the book, “Monday Morning Cooking Club”. Cool that it’s online as well!
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September 26, 2015 6:34pm
Lucia Maria

Wiseowl,

I doubt it. An attempt by rural NSW via petition is being ignored over there: Daylight saving time plea ignored.

THOUSANDS of NSW farmers have called for daylight saving time to be shortened from six months to four but coastal MPs are not having a bar of it.

Northern Tablelands Nationals MP Adam Marshall said regional farm children were waiting in darkness for their school buses to arrive, particularly between October and April.

“Those of us who are early risers – as most people are in the bush – know only too well the need to keep our body clock in check,” Mr Marshall said.

“Many rural people walk around bleary-eyed, forced to stay awake during a full day of light to get the job done after having to get up very early and in darkness because they are in a business environment that deals with countries all around the world,” he said.

Mr Marshall said a recent petition containing more than 3000 signatures from his electorate called for daylight saving to be reduced by a month at each end.

“It is the last four weeks in particular that go past the autumn equinox that cause a number of problems,” he said.

Some people just love their daylight saving.
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September 26, 2015 6:38pm
waikatosinger

Anyone know why these Kiwis are bailed up in detention camps in Oz? Presumably because they are resisting deportation. AFAIK the Oz authorities would stick them on the next plane if they were willing to return to NZ whether they had the fare or not.

I’m sure you are right. It would be a lot cheaper to fly
them to Auckland than to Christmas Island for a start,
and that completely ignores the cost of housing and
feeding them.

For each one locked up on Christmas Island there must
be a whole ‘bunch’ who took the free ride to NZ instead.
Depending on the size of the ‘bunch’ it could explain why
migration figures from Australia are up. The Australians
know how many they’ve shipped back here. But I doubt
they are going to tell us.
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September 26, 2015 6:40pm
Reid

at the end of the day, everything he says and does is within the bounds of Catholicism.

Lucia I bow to your superior understanding.

The one thing I’ve always admired however about Catholicism is the fact they stood the rock on both divorce and abortion while all around them including my own Anglican faith, fell.

That to me is faith.

God doesn’t change, as we know, and it’s our job to move to God, not the other way round.

However to my observer status, Francis is giving all that away and I suspect a gay marriage commitment isn’t that far away either, if it hasn’t already been telegraphed.

It’s not faith Lucia, it’s populism. Who cares if all the idiots cheer him, if he stands for nothing. That’s where he’s going, and that’s exactly what you know who is and has been designing.
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September 26, 2015 6:47pm
dirty harry

Violent thug natives at play again

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/72441701/critical-condition-after-king-hit-assault-in-south-auckland
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September 26, 2015 6:50pm
waikatosinger

Clearly we are all going to have to go to encrypted systems.

Probably on blogs, and even on your Facebook.

You can’t encrypt a blog if you want people to read it.
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September 26, 2015 6:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Lucia Maria

what is the point of living in the land of milk and honey if you end up eating non-dairy desserts?

I’d replace the 375ml olive oil with butter in that recipe and eat it with ricotta cheese or a thick yoghurt.
(The husband would drown it in cream!)
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September 26, 2015 7:04pm
Fletch

Daylight Saving Time – how is it still a thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br0NW9ufUUw
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September 26, 2015 7:06pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

However to my observer status, Francis is giving all that away and I suspect a gay marriage commitment isn’t that far away either, if it hasn’t already been telegraphed.

It’s not faith Lucia, it’s populism. Who cares if all the idiots cheer him, if he stands for nothing. That’s where he’s going, and that’s exactly what you know who is and has been designing.

It hasn’t happened yet, and I would bet my life on it that it won’t happen.

In 1968, the world thought the Pope of the time would cave on the issue of contraception. He didn’t.
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September 26, 2015 7:17pm
nasska

“Although every organized patriarchal religion works overtime to contribute its own brand of misogyny to the myth of woman-hate, woman-fear, and woman-evil, the Roman Catholic Church also carries the immense power of very directly affecting women’s lives everywhere by its stand against birth control and abortion, and by its use of skillful and wealthy lobbies to prevent legislative change. It is an obscenity—an all-male hierarchy, celibate or not, that presumes to rule on the lives and bodies of millions of women.”

Robin Morgan, Sisterhood Is Powerful
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September 26, 2015 7:29pm
wiseowl

Thanks Lucia.
Maybe we could have a facebook petition and get 50,000 signatures like some stoopid flag option.

The PM would then agree and take it to the house for a change in legislation.

Cows don’t like the changes at all.
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September 26, 2015 7:42pm
Nostradamus

Politician Bob Brady admits drinking from glass left behind by Pope Francis

A US politician has admitted to taking a glass of water that touched the lips of Pope Francis and swilling the leftover liquid with family and colleagues.
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Brady told The Washington Post he has since transferred the remaining water into a bottle, so he can later bless his four grandchildren and one great-grandchild with it.
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When asked why he drank the Pope’s leftovers, Brady said he said he doesn’t care what people say about him – not even people who flocked to his Facebook page to declare, among other things: “you are one weird freak”. “Anything the Pope touches becomes blessed,” he said. “I think so and no one is going to change my mind.”

The venerated vessel will be kept in a brown paper bag until Brady gets a chance to go to the police in Philadelphia and get it dusted for fingerprints to prove its authenticity.

I wonder when Brady plans to try walking on water…
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September 26, 2015 7:47pm
nasska

….”I wonder when Brady plans to try walking on water”….

Soon I would hope. Unfortunately, as the news has revealed, he has already bred but the risk of his genes further replicating is unacceptable.
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September 26, 2015 7:57pm
Lucia Maria

Real hatred against women – systematic abortion and infanticide of girls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISme5-9orR0
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September 26, 2015 7:57pm
UglyTruth

Yes, some deluded people are upset because the chief of the deluded people has different delusions about what should be shared delusions.

But that doesn’t stop NZ’s parliament from operating, now does it?
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September 26, 2015 7:59pm
mikenmild

No, our government continues to operate, despite religious obstacles.
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September 26, 2015 8:04pm
Harriet

“….Francis is giving all that away and I suspect a gay marriage commitment isn’t that far away either, if it hasn’t already been telegraphed…..”

Sodom will never be joined to Jerusalem. Sodom was destroyed thousands of years ago – it’s an historical fact. There is also other accounts of homosexual societies being destroyed, the Book of Judges has one, concerning a Tribe of Israel.
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September 26, 2015 8:21pm
doggone7

stigie @ 2:59 pm “Big Bruv:- Penny Bright will pay her rates in full when you say the All Blacks are the best team in world rugby…?”

Big Bruv will be in many people’s prayers at Catholic masses up and down the country tomorrow.

Praying that he gets to see the Pope on the cover of the Rugby News wearing an All Black Jersey and Penny on the back of the sponsor’s ute with Richie as they parade the Rugby World Cup up Queen Street in November!
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September 26, 2015 8:26pm
nasska

Don’t sweat it Harriet. There’s still time for you to achieve martyrdom:

…“Some men are born sodomites, some achieve sodomy, and some have sodomy thrust upon them…”

― Aleister Crowley
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September 26, 2015 8:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Who cares what the Pope says anyway, he is just another lunatic socialist who thinks he has the answers to everything.
Instead of brow beating everyone else about how little we care about the poor and downtrodden etc why don’t you go and clean up all the kiddy fiddlers and perverts residing in your own church first.
Priorities is all I can say.
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September 26, 2015 8:37pm
Reid

Sodom will never be joined to Jerusalem.

No. Not the true Jerusalem Harriet.

But is it joined to the “Jerusalem” the evil ones created in 1948?

A serious question, significance of which for various reasons quite passes the sheeple by. Perhaps they’re too busy thinking how high to jump when they get to the next gate.
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September 26, 2015 8:38pm
cha

Sodom was destroyed thousands of years ago

Because Sodomites were just like you – cunts to other people.
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September 26, 2015 8:43pm
nasska

……”Perhaps they’re too busy thinking how high to jump when they get to the next gate.”…..

Might be able to help there Reid. Standard 3.6m gate is 1.05m high but deer gates are a little over 1500mm. 🙂
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September 26, 2015 8:46pm
Viking2

peterwn (3,783 comments) says:
September 26th, 2015 at 12:55 pm

Viking2 – in answer to your ‘five eyes’ comments.

1. Some types of copyright breach are a crime in both NZ and USA. They are tantamount to theft and if serious enough it is expected law enforcement to deal with them. The argument about film moguls does not wash – it is like saying cops should not investigate a bank robbery as the bank has pots of money.

2 ‘Five eyes’ has nothing to do with things. The Skype servers concerned are in the USA and any surveillance of these is a USA domestic matter. For that matter the Megaupload servers were also situated within the USA (very close to Washington DC if I remember rightly – that is why the charges were laid in the nearest federal courthouse at Alexandria VA).

3. Kim and his associates chose to do business within the USA by having their Megaupload servers there so are exposed to the consequences of US law. They could have situated the servers in another country but presumably cost and latency would have been an issue.
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Peterwn.
My point wasn’t about Dotcom but about the fact that the Yanks have such a control over both the Internet (which they are desperately trying to wrap completely inside their control), that they can spy and read what every person, nation is doing. That includes working for their corporates.
In the early 60’s it was the Germans who did this. They would search the world for new patents and new idea’s and then arrive to buy them up. Recall them coming to Wellington and doing just that when a particular invention was publicized. There within days.

How can any other country do business (and business makes the world go round), if the Yanks have so much ability. It’s about tantamount to going back to a party line on the phone with the lady at the exchange listening in.
Is that what we are back to because a paranoid, bullying state thinks its entitled.?
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September 26, 2015 8:52pm
Viking2

A farmer named Naaska had a car accident. He was hit by a truck owned by the Eversweet Company.

In court, the Eversweet Company’s hot-shot solicitor was questioning naaska.

‘Didn’t you say to the police at the scene of the accident, ‘I’m fine?’ asked the solicitor..

Naaska responded: ‘Well, I’ll tell you what happened. I’d just loaded my fav’rit cow, Bessie, into da…. ‘

‘I didn’t ask for any details’, the solicitor interrupted. ‘Just answer the question. Did you not say, at the scene of the accident, ‘I’m fine!’?’

Nasska said, ‘Well, I’d just got Bessie into da trailer and I was drivin’ down da road…… ‘

The solicitor interrupted again and said,’Your Honour, I am trying to establish the fact that, at the scene of the accident, this man told the police on the scene that he was fine. Now several weeks after the accident, he is trying to sue my client. I believe he is a fraud. Please tell him to simply answer the question. ‘

By this time, the Judge was fairly interested in Naaska’s answer and said to the solicitor: ‘I’d like to hear what he has to say about his favourite cow, Bessie’.
Naaska thanked the Judge and proceeded.’Well as I was saying, I had just loaded Bessie, my fav’rit cow, into de trailer and was drivin’ her down de road when this huge Eversweet truck and trailer came tundering tru a stop sign and hit me trailer right in da side.

I was trown into one ditch and Bessie was trown into da udder. By Jaysus I was hurt, very bad like, and didn’t want to move. However, I could hear old Bessie moanin’ and groanin’. I knew she was in terrible pain just by her groans.

Shortly after da accident, a policeman on a motorbike turned up. He could hear Bessie moanin’ and groanin’ too, so he went over to her. After he looked at her, and saw her condition, he took out his gun and shot her between the eyes.

Den da policeman came across de road, gun still in hand, looked at me, and said, ‘How are you feelin’?’

‘Now wot da fock would you say?’
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September 26, 2015 8:56pm
Manolo

Discovering lie after lie: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150925/us–clinton_emails-4d9d29b4b1.html
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September 26, 2015 10:10pm
Manolo

The crook opines: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/255062-bill-clinton-trump-has-chance-at-nomination

President Bill Clinton says Donald Trump could win the GOP nomination thanks to his ability to promote a unique personal brand.

“He’s a master brander,” Clinton said during an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria on Saturday.
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September 27, 2015 7:32am
Manolo

Crazy. You need these people like a hole in the head: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/24/mayors-of-eighteen-u-s-cities-tell-obama-they-are-ready-to-take-more-syrian-refugees/

Mayors from eighteen U.S. cities signed a letter to President Obama saying they are willing to take even more refugees than what has been proposed by the administration.

“We will welcome the Syrian families to make homes and new lives in our cities,” wrote the mayors, all of whom are part of the Cities United for Immigration Action coalition.
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