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General Debate 25 September 2015

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Chuck Bird

@Keeping Stock

Here is another case where if a paedophile was on a list where the public could check on there might not be more victims.

This guy should not be allowed alone with children for the rest of his life.

Child abuser set up cameras to record abuse

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/09/general_debate_25_september_2015.html#comments
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September 25, 2015 2:28pm
Keeping Stock

Your “concerned” and “aggrieved” citizens sound more like hardcore left wing activists to me Penny, especially the bloke who cites the WWF as a source.
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September 25, 2015 2:43pm
alloytoo

@Penny

There are a strong majority of New Zealanders who don’t want Chantelle Campbell claiming (undemocratically without a mandate) that she talks on our behalf.

There is a democratically elected official who is already democratically mandated to talk on our behalf……his name is…..John Key.

I really wish Penny and her ilk would cease purporting to represent people who have already chosen their representation.

Indeed as repeatedly failed candidate we can reasonable presume that Penny has been democratically rejected by the populace as a representative.
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September 25, 2015 2:46pm
Manolo

Big bruv is writing the headlines for the Aussie rugby site: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/rugby-world-cup-2015-namibias-johan-deysel-scores-stunning-try-against-all-blacks-20150924-gjule3.html
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September 25, 2015 2:50pm
Weihana

stephieboy (7,249 comments) says:
September 25th, 2015 at 9:44 am

Dave Mann,

I suppose these innocent lives are also a joke ,

http://www.history.com/topics/bosnian-genocide

You pathetic Sicko !

I agree with Keeping Stock that gloating over the death of other people isn’t really a thing. But I would point out that “innocence” is a presumption that probability would suggest is not very likely for a significant number of these people.

While I am concerned for the growing prejudice towards anyone who is a Muslim, the fact is that Saudi Arabia is the centre of the Islamic world and its government is responsible for despicable oppression and violence including routine beheadings carried out in public.

The attendance of pilgrims at Mecca, with no concern as to the violent beheadings and religious intolerance displayed by the Saudi government, is an endorsement of that government and the fundamentalist application of the Islamic faith.

I cannot help but feel less sympathy for the misfortune experienced by this group of people because I have little doubt that at least a majority of them would happily see my head disconnected from my shoulders for being an atheist.
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September 25, 2015 3:44pm
Left Right and Centre

Wind, rain, cold – 5km per day whatever weather – last few days ? ‘All good fun’.
But not today . . . pristine glorious sunshine and soft blue skies in the capital (still blowing a southerly wind of course). Bathing in the warm afternoon rays – clothing becomes optional – the sweet scent of sun-kissed skin *finally*.
And you *want* to get out, run, and actually enjoy it for the weather – wow. 10kms worth. Because that’s just. how. bloody. good it is.
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September 25, 2015 3:55pm
mikenmild

I can’t agree Weihana. visiting a country for a religious pilgrimage does not imply approval for that country’s actions.
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September 25, 2015 4:02pm
Weihana

mikenmild (15,839 comments) says:
September 25th, 2015 at 4:02 pm

I can’t agree Weihana. visiting a country for a religious pilgrimage does not imply approval for that country’s actions.

I agree it doesn’t imply approval. But it is probable that there is approval.

Moreover, even where there isn’t approval I find the act of undertaking the pilgrimage to have the effect of an endorsement just as I would say politicians who cozy up to the Saudi government are similarly having the effect of endorsing fundamentalist religion and their brutal rule.
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September 25, 2015 4:21pm
mikenmild

I still don’t agree. Our diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia are not an endorsement of the regime. Tourists travelling to Jerusalem are not endorsing the Israeli government.

The hajj is a fundamental requirement for Muslims. I don’t for a second believe that all Muslims support the Saudi regime.
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September 25, 2015 4:24pm
Scott Chris

I can’t agree Weihana

Ditto. Why would you assume a devout pilgrim is also a fundamentalist militant?

What a fucking horrible way to go, crushed by a panicked crowd. Poor deluded bastards. Even worse, most of them will probably think the non-existent Satan caused the stampede.
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September 25, 2015 4:37pm
Weihana

mikenmild (15,841 comments) says:
September 25th, 2015 at 4:24 pm

I still don’t agree. Our diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia are not an endorsement of the regime. Tourists travelling to Jerusalem are not endorsing the Israeli government.

I suppose one could also say the 1981 Springbok tour was not an endorsement of Apartheid. 🙂

Jerusalem is a little bit different given its significance to multiple faiths, but I think you could fairly say that being an Israeli tourist in general would suggest tolerance of the regime and whatever disagreements you held were not so significant as to outweigh your desire to be a tourist.

The hajj is a fundamental requirement for Muslims. I don’t for a second believe that all Muslims support the Saudi regime.

Agreed.

But I think it says something, whatever your religion, when there are such “fundamental requirements” that know no compromise. That in and of itself is indicative of a fundamentalist attitude. Moreover, however important you consider the Hajj, the fact is it is a central part of the identity of Saudi Arabia and a symbol of national pride. By undertaking the pilgrimage it suggests to me that such people, at the very least, place the importance of the Hajj above taking a stand for human rights.
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September 25, 2015 4:50pm
Manolo

The poor imbeciles that travel to that shithole Mecca are rewarded by dust, violence and death. Poor imbeciles, indeed.
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September 25, 2015 4:54pm
mikenmild

Bullshit. When I said ‘fundamental’ requirement, that did not mean fundamentalism. The hajj is no more a gesture of supporting the Saudi regime than participation at the 1936 Olympics was an endorsement of the Nazis.
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September 25, 2015 4:56pm
PhilP

When the left finally gain the Treasury Benches again (f**k I hope not too soon) poor old Penny will have nothing to whinge about.
No more anti John Key rants, no more copy and paste long winded comments……….mmmmm maybe we should let Angry Andrew win in 2017 to give us some respite from the Public Dog? (now I will go and wash my mouth out with soap!)
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September 25, 2015 5:07pm
Manolo

The hajj is a fundamental requirement for Muslims.

Throwing themselves over a cliff is a fundamental requirement for lemmings.
After all, there is not much difference between the animals and the followers of the violent paedophile prophet.
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September 25, 2015 5:14pm
Weihana

mikenmild (15,844 comments) says:
September 25th, 2015 at 4:56 pm

Bullshit. When I said ‘fundamental’ requirement, that did not mean fundamentalism.

Yup, but I’m saying that when you have such requirements that cannot be compromised no matter how dire the situation then that to me suggests fundamentalism because it means these beliefs are immune to critical examination.

The hajj is no more a gesture of supporting the Saudi regime than participation at the 1936 Olympics was an endorsement of the Nazis.

I suppose we could both invoke various examples to try and support our position. I acknowledge that what I’m saying will be unfair to some of those who died and I certainly wouldn’t wish this upon anyone. But emotionally it is difficult to connect for me. I am more moved by an image of some poor soul with a knife to his throat about to be viciously executed in front of onlookers and on behalf of a society that thinks these sorts of punishments are acceptable.
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September 25, 2015 5:18pm
stigie

“poor old Penny will have nothing to whinge about”.

Oh yes she will….She will be living in one of these shortly…?

http://i48.tinypic.com/f41ult.jpg
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September 25, 2015 5:29pm
mikenmild

The hajj no more suggests fundamentalism than any particular core Christian tenet suggests fundamentalism. To go on a pilgrimage is simply on of the core pillars of Islam.
I don’t see what any of that has to do with barbaric acts of terror.
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September 25, 2015 5:38pm
Jack5

Bloomberg says Australia is paying the price for being too dependent on trade with China.

Do they know about NZ?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-24/australia-pays-the-price-for-depending-on-china
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September 25, 2015 5:40pm
Reid

The hajj is no more a gesture of supporting the Saudi regime than participation at the 1936 Olympics was an endorsement of the Nazis.

Still, it’s quite ironic isn’t it that the “stampede” (I thought only animals did that) happened reportedly because someone called out “there’s a Jew, watch out, his claws will get you” and then everyone ran. I mean talk about mental.

But the ironic thing is, lookup the origin of the House of Saud. Hint: they’re not Muslims.

And this explains perfectly doesn’t it, why the UKUSA so love the Saudi’s, doesn’t it.

BTW, look it up yourself, and I’m not entering into debate with anyone as to whether or not the sites you find when you do, are true or not true.

My point is, like I said: IF it IS true, then it’s (a) quite ironic in the context of the “stampede” and (b) explains a whole hell of a lot about modern day ME geopolitics. And that’s an indisputable statement, which can’t be denied, and that’s all I’m saying, so therefore, not interested in “debating,” because there’s nothing to debate. And if you think there is, then I reserve the right to call you a moron, because clearly by hallucinating that statement IS debatable, you understand nothing about anything.
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September 25, 2015 5:48pm
mikenmild

they’re not Muslims

Yes, they are.
A remarkable claim like that would require some outstanding evidence.
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September 25, 2015 5:52pm
EAD

It’s a bit like how the people who rule the roost aren’t really Jews but are happy to hide behind the label :

http://henrymakow.com/2015/09/anti-semitism-is-good-for-the-.html

“Anti Semitism is very good for Jewish leadership but not so good for ordinary Jews who are unaware of the Satanic nature and agenda of the Jewish enterprise. Anti Semitism enables the leaders to control and manipulate the flock who think they are hated for no reason. This is why Jewish organizations lovingly tabulate incidents of anti Semitism every year. Why the Jewish leadership organizes terrorism and pogroms against Jews. Why the Jewish leadership is implicated in the Holocaust. Why they may have planned it. Why Jews are trauma brainwashed. Anti Semitism makes Jews support Israel, and if things get rough, move there. (This may be the plan.)

Jews are not monolithic. Like all groups, and society itself, the leadership is Cabalist or Satanic (i.e. Masonic, Illuminati). The rank and file are sheep.

Ultimately, if things go wrong, the blame will be cast on the rank and file.” … Almost everything that is happening reflects society’s satanic possession. Every war past and present is contrived: designed to destroy and degrade humanity. The contrived refugee crisis is all about destroying nations. “We will destroy every collective force except our own,” says the Protocols of Zion (16).

The list is endless. The subversion of Christianity and Christian values. The selling of fetus body parts. The promotion of sexual promiscuity under the guise of sexual liberation and pedophilia via a sex education program designed in Ontario by a convicted Jewish pedophile. The attack on gender and normalization of homosexuality. The degradation of the education system. The control of the mass media.

Not one political candidate in the US or Canada dares criticize Israel? What does that say about the state of freedom and democracy?

The cat is out of the bag. The leadership of the West has gone over to the Dark side. We are confronting an age old enemy –the devil– who has accumulated overwhelming power and won much of society to his cause. As facilitators, it is inevitable that Jews and Masons will be blamed for the consequences. Increased anti Semitism is inevitable unless Jews recognize that, like society as a whole, they are implicated in Death….
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September 25, 2015 6:02pm
EAD

https://youtu.be/5hfEBupAeo4
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September 25, 2015 6:05pm
nasska

Mikenmild

I don’t have a position on Reid’s theory on the connection between the Jews & the House of Saud but a look at this will give you an idea of what he’s on about. https://www.facebook.com/notes/hidden-truth/the-jewish-roots-of-the-saudi-royal-family/277683585596093
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September 25, 2015 6:07pm
Reid

Yes, they are.
A remarkable claim like that would require some outstanding evidence.

No they’re not.

The evidence is very easy to find.

All you need is an open mind mm.

Perhaps that’s why you’ve never found anything and why you think it’s a “remarkable claim.”
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September 25, 2015 6:07pm
Longknives

Good Grief- The TV1 Newsreaders were almost choking back the tears regarding the Muslims killed in the stampede at Mecca!
How on Earth has this vile death cult managed to permeate the New Zealand media to this extent? (Example- Rachel ‘Muslims can do no wrong’ Smalley)
If a few hundred Christians died at a religious festival in South America (or Hindu in India) these people wouldn’t bat an eyelid..
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September 25, 2015 6:15pm
mikenmild

Reid
When you make claims you should provide the evidence. I’m not going to bother googling information about obvious nonsense.
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September 25, 2015 6:21pm
Gabby

What is the funding of a farm and the export of pregnant ewes whose lambs promptly die, with no concern as to the violent beheadings and religious intolerance displayed by the Saudi government, an endorsement of ?
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September 25, 2015 6:22pm
EAD

My reaction to Longknives – Sad but who really cares?

What’s more interesting is observing the weight the MSM ascribes newsworthy events. How much coverage in the NZ MSM did we get of the beheadings is a Swedish IKEA vs. a boy who drowned as a result of his welfare shopping Dad?

“One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic” – Joseph Stalin
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September 25, 2015 6:23pm
Fletch

Mad Magazine does it again – lol

http://img.huffingtonpost.com//asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/55c2191a14000077002e2013.jpeg
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September 25, 2015 6:23pm
Gabby

The lemming thing turned out to be bullshit, Manuro. Engineered by yanker media what’s more. So you’re sort of right.
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September 25, 2015 6:27pm
stigie

If anyone is interested, the Junior Warriors are playing Penrith for a place in the Grand Final at 7pm.
Junior Warriors have won the Grand Final 4 out of the last 5 years.
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September 25, 2015 6:31pm
Fletch

LOL – The Onion –

Brain-Dead Teen, Only Capable Of Rolling Eyes And Texting, To Be Euthanized

The parents of 13-year old Caitlin Teagart have decided to end her life, saying she can now do nothing but lay on the couch and whine about things being “gay.”

http://www.theonion.com/video/brain-dead-teen-only-capable-of-rolling-eyes-and-t-27225

The video is pitch perfect.

What would you tell other parents?

I would tell parents at home right now hug their kids – and be glad they don’t have such a piss-poor attitude
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September 25, 2015 6:45pm
Manolo

The offending teen should be sent home to live with do-gooder stephieboy, who will cure him.
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September 25, 2015 6:54pm
AgentBallSack

Serial downtickers are gay!
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September 25, 2015 7:03pm
mikenmild

This is a good development. AP will stop using the term ‘skeptics’ to refer to people who reject science.
https://blog.ap.org/announcements/an-addition-to-ap-stylebook-entry-on-global-warming
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September 25, 2015 7:09pm
AgentBallSack

Remember George Carlins infamous 7 words..? shit piss fuck cunt motherfucker cocksucker tits.

Modern version could be…. queer gay fag nigger lesbo bitch slut.
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September 25, 2015 7:11pm
Awww C-mon

Agreed ABS, would love to have the ability to see up and down ticks each post. Mind you I’m starting to work it out and I’ve not been around long.

you kinda know who is going to bite at whatever is offered up…
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September 25, 2015 7:12pm
Awww C-mon

Describing that state of something ( usually mechanical) using one word

Fuckin fuckers fucking fucked. ?
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September 25, 2015 7:14pm
AgentBallSack

Awww-C, I treat downticks like I just teabagged someone. They get the satisfaction of not liking it and I go away happy with the taste of my balls in their craw.
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September 25, 2015 7:21pm
nasska

Or as the useless Pom who used to draw his pay at the cartage firm I worked for years ago normally said;

“the fooking fooker’s fooking well fooked”.
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September 25, 2015 7:22pm
Awww C-mon

Thanks for that mental picture ABS. I would down tick you just for that reason alone but then realised not only would I have the mental picture but perhaps also the experience, a true lose – lose situation ???
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September 25, 2015 7:34pm
stigie

Nothing like being polite….Beef Hooked !~
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September 25, 2015 7:44pm
Nostradamus

Meanwhile in breaking news:

SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) – An Idaho high school is requiring its cheerleaders to wear leggings or sweatpants under their uniforms after finding the short skirts were not suited for stairs or sitting without exposing the buttocks of teen girls, an administrator said on Thursday.

The decision by the school district in the northern Idaho city of Post Falls to seek more modesty for cheerleaders came after teachers at the high school reported some girls’ bottoms were sometimes visible when uniforms were worn to class on the day of football games or other sports matches, said Dena Naccarato, director of programs and instruction.

Outrageous!
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September 25, 2015 7:44pm
AgentBallSack

oxymoron: more modesty for cheerleaders.
Lets just dress them in a burkha and be done with all this silly sexuality shit.
Signed, the country of the sexually repressed who still allows sex with horses.
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September 25, 2015 7:50pm
Scott Chris

I treat downticks like I just teabagged someone

As someone who has both upticked you and downticked you, I sure as hell ain’t teabagged you ya fuckin’ fucker’s fuck!
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September 25, 2015 8:02pm
Reid

Lots of interesting stuff and photos in this. Of course most of you won’t get it at all.

As usual.

http://aanirfan.blogspot.ca/2015/09/the-kray-twins-worked-for-global-elite.html
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September 25, 2015 8:04pm
stigie

You are right Reid….

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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September 25, 2015 8:06pm
Scott Chris

queer gay fag nigger lesbo bitch slut

You forgot pedo you Nazi!
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September 25, 2015 8:10pm
nasska

….”As someone who has both upticked you and downticked you, I sure as hell ain’t teabagged you”….

We have photos! 🙂
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September 25, 2015 8:10pm
Scott Chris

We know who we are Reid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqlsVZ1zxMk
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September 25, 2015 8:16pm
mikenmild

Sure Reid:

Were the Kray Twins brainwashed, and used, by the security services?

London’s Tavistock Institute has been connected to brainwashing.

No evidence of this of course. But wait, who could be behind these sinister activities:

the gangster Kray twins, Ronnie and Reggie, were “of Jewish… stock.”
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September 25, 2015 8:18pm
Reid

But wait, who could be behind these sinister activities:

At which point, gasp, all investigation stops, lest we be, or be seen to be, or think, or somehow become…

Da duh dar…

anti…

anti [struggle, gasp, try] sem…..

anti [ah too hard give up, of course it is, stop enquiry altogether, mere hint too much, cognitive circuits disengaging. Breathing resuming…]

Phew!

Close call eh mm?

Now you can think clearly, can’t you.

Of course you can.
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September 25, 2015 8:25pm
AgentBallSack

Beating and babbling,
we fell on his neck
with a scream…….

You better watch out!
There may be Dogs about!

No, this is not a dream
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September 25, 2015 8:27pm
mikenmild

The point was Reid, that your latest link was the usual babble of evidence-free nonsense.
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September 25, 2015 8:32pm
AgentBallSack

Hate speech has sure come a long way. Not as far as wishing death on Mike Hosking on twitter though, we need to up our game
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September 25, 2015 8:37pm
AgentBallSack

All I know is there’s lots of unhappy people tonight desperately swigging chardonnay trying to forget the taste of balls.
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September 25, 2015 8:43pm
nasska

More like they’re gargling Jeyes Fluid straight Ballsack. 🙂
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September 25, 2015 8:47pm
Reid

The point was Reid, that your latest link was the usual babble of evidence-free nonsense.

Yes I knew what your point was mm, it’s the same every time.

My point was, you didn’t even look at it before coming to your conclusion. Did you.

And since you didn’t even do that, how do you know its veracity?

Magick?

That was my point.
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September 25, 2015 8:59pm
mikenmild

Um, I did look at it. As I said, it’s a babble of nonsense. Vague allegations and unsupported statements. Only loonies take such drivel at face value.
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September 25, 2015 9:01pm
Reid

Um, I did look at it.

Did you.

Did you see the photo? That was telling wasn’t it.

You don’t even know which one I’m talking about do you.

Only morons miss things like that.

Also dipshit, what makes you think I don’t have much much much more detail than what was in there? Do you seriously think that was all there was to tell about that? Duh. I was just doing what I often do. Give you sheeple a lead which, if you follow, will benefit you. And if you don’t follow, then duh, that doesn’t mean there wasn’t any lead. Only fools think like that. No surprises therefore mm, this is precisely how you think. You poor bastard.
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September 25, 2015 9:09pm
Scott Chris

Beating and babbling,
we fell on his neck
with a scream…….

Nice taste ballsack…… oops, I don’t mean yours ffs
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September 25, 2015 9:16pm
dirty harry

ahh, scottchris the backdoor bandit
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September 25, 2015 9:20pm
Scott Chris

Song for Reid, not mocking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmQhbd1KWE
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September 25, 2015 9:22pm
AgentBallSack

A word to my haters…The older I get, the more nutty I get
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September 25, 2015 9:25pm
cha

Guns are bad M’kay?

//

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/72401842/Man-jailed-for-killing-his-brother-with-faulty-illegal-shotgun

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/72403768/peter-jardine-sentenced-after-alcoholfuelled-burnout-led-to-mates-death
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September 25, 2015 9:29pm
AgentBallSack

cha. Retards load a stolen faulty gun with live bullets and kill 1 retard taking selfies.
Guns are awesome!
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September 25, 2015 9:31pm
cha

Had the dumb fucker been pissed and run his brother over he’d get to stay home and help mum with the dishes.
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September 25, 2015 9:41pm
Awww C-mon

If your poor and brown you go to jail, if your white and middle class you don’t….
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September 25, 2015 10:02pm
Fisiani

Watch Winston ask Q3 on 23/9/15 and see his left hand develop a Parkinsonian shake towards the end of the clip. Fascinating.
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September 25, 2015 10:47pm
publicwatchdog

PM John Key and Trade Minister Tim Groser not on the same page regarding the possibility of signing the TPPA?
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Groser unsure whether TPP meeting worthwhile

Updated at 7:25 pm today

The Prime Minister remains confident a deal will be struck in the Trans-Pacific Partnership talks, despite the reluctance of Trade Minister Tim Groser to attend a ministerial meeting in the United States next week.

Tim Groser says ending fuel subsidies will be a tough sell.

The United States has called the meeting of trade ministers in Atlanta, but Mr Groser is waiting to see if officials meeting over the weekend make any progress before deciding whether to go or not.

John Key appears more optimistic the 12 countries negotiating the trade and investment deal can reach an agreement.
“I still remain very, very confident that TPP can be completed and done so in a way that can be very advantageous to New Zealand.

“In the end I mean it is a free trade agreement with the United States and Japan amongst others, and the United States and Japan are very, very large consumer markets where we face significant barriers to entry for New Zealand products.”

Officials from the 12 countries involved in the Trans-Pacific Partnership start meeting in Atlanta tomorrow.

There had, however, been doubt until today whether ministers would meet.

The US has now called for ministers to meet after reports that it, Canada, Japan and Mexico had made progress on a disagreement about local content in the auto trade.

That progress, however, has had no impact on the issues of importance to New Zealand.

Access for dairy exports, particularly into the US, remained a sticking point.

Mr Groser said yesterday that while the TPP deal was of some benefit to New Zealand as it stood, the current offers to open up dairy access were not satisfactory.

“What is on the table is, in our opinion, completely inadequate and with balls frankly in their court,” he said.

He still wanted to see whether officials could make enough progress on that and other issues to make it worth his going to the ministerial talks set for 30 September.

But Mr Groser will not be far away from Atlanta. He will be in New York next week for talks on climate change.
Opponents of the TPP said New Zealand should abandon the talks because it was giving away too much for little reward.
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Penny Bright
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September 25, 2015 11:08pm
big bruv

I note that the Pope (aka as the leader of the words biggest paedophile ring) is touring the USA at the moment, this epitome of all things evil thinks he has the right to dish out advice to the public on climate change, wealth and greed, poverty and lifestyle choices.

Well, along with the resounding “fuck you” we should all send him it might pay for the leader of the kiddy fiddler gang to stop for one moment and consider just how much good he could do to combat climate change, poverty and crime by simply telling his stupid followers that contraception is a bloody great thing and something that the thoroughly evil Catholic church endorses.

If he really wants it to work all he has to do is tell the morons who believe in the sky fairy that unless contraception is used none of them will go to heaven, that normally does the trick.
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September 26, 2015 6:09am
Odakyu-sen

Never mind the Pope.

Praise cheeses! I made home-made pizza with Mozzarella cheese (at $13 for 500 g) instead of standard Edam (at $8.50 for 1 kg). My daughters proclaimed that it was the best pizza I had made.

I have seen the light! I shall never use Edam on a pizza again!
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September 27, 2015 10:34pm
Manolo

Defending herself: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-emails-conspiracy-theory-214114
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September 28, 2015 6:43am
Manolo

@Odakyu-sen: Caro amico, una buona pizza non è mai fatta con edam ma solo mozzarella fior di latte. Saluti.
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September 28, 2015 6:47am

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