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igm

What is Dill Twyford going to do about his climate change refugee’s excellent employment record and behaviour? He has, along with MSM, misled the public with a pack of unsubstantiated crap about this guy. One only needs to view WO Open Debate to see there are evidently signed affidavits which are to the contrary of Twyford’s claims. We need explanations from both Labour and MSM . . . they have been caught out really well.
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September 24, 2015 8:02am
Padriv Ustoev

Just came back from Mount Arafat,
Glorious! Symbolically stoning Satan tomorrow. I’m not sure if it’ s the great American Satan or the great Jewish Satan but we are stoning it good on Friday. Truly an amazing experience being among a mass off people that believe the same thing and will stop at little to spread that belief.
Bring on the Global Caliphate I say!
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September 24, 2015 8:04am
Padriv Ustoev

@igm

What does employment record and behavior have to do with breaking immigration law? That guy is not a special snowflake to go to the front of the cue just for good behavior.
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September 24, 2015 8:05am
kowtow

UK diversity dividend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11886204/More-than-1000-new-FGM-cases-recorded-by-the-NHS.html
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September 24, 2015 8:06am
oldpark

Notice the import called Andrea Vance from the gutters and back streets of Belfast and ex employee from the disgraced News of the World and now defunct newspaper. ,giving her inept inane personal opinion on John Key, mostly in a very denigrating way. If Vance dosnt like the way NZs most popular Prime Minister John Key runs NZ. She doesn’t have to stay here, up to now under National, it is not compulsory.
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September 24, 2015 8:07am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
igm, the Reverend Iosefa Suamalie,’s responded with great dignity this morning to the allegations against Ioane Teitiota’. He would of acted no differently to the family’s plight. Judge not that ye be judged he responded .

It reminds us that we have all fallen short in various ways including some of those who post here .

You can assure us that you yourself are totally without blemish or blame ?
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September 24, 2015 8:09am
minus

A $63 million blowout in staff costs is being downplayed by Auckland Council staff, who say savings in other areas have led to an $80 million budget surplus this year.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11514748

This is not entirely clear or “transparent”.
Does Auckland Council, charging unprecedented higher rates, actually have a surplus of $80 million this year?
Or do you subtract the $63 million staff blow-out, and the surplus is only $17 million.
Or is none of this true.
Perhaps the Auckland Public Watchdog can tell us.
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September 24, 2015 8:09am
mikenmild

Are igm and oldpark at all distinguishable?
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September 24, 2015 8:09am
kowtow

igm

The overstayer has built his lies upon the MSM and politicos lies about sea levels rising. It’s all lies.

The only thing we can be sure of is that taxpayers ill be forced to foot the bill for all these scams, individual and global.
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September 24, 2015 8:10am
Albert_Ross

Kowtow, how does that case prove that anybody is worse off than they would have been without immigration into the UK?

Do you think that the mutilation would not have happened to those poor girls if their families had stayed in their countries of origin?

Do you think that any indigenous/ethnic Briton is likely to start mutilating his daughter’s genitals as a result of immigration?
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September 24, 2015 8:11am
Nukuleka

John Key’s U-turn on the Red Peak flag is making a mockery of all that he has said and done up till now about the flag change- the pointless Flag Consideration Panel, the poorly attended public meetings, his promotion of the fern as his preferred option- and a great deal of wasted money.

Once Red Peak makes its way onto the voting from it will be seized upon by the left wing, by the MSM and by all anti Key factions as a chance to give him once and for all the black eye that they have been seeking for so long. Not because Red Peak has any particular merit as a national flag but simply as a chance to get at Key. Just watch the posts at The Daily Blog and The Standard!

There is every chance now that we are going to be lumbered with a new New Zealand flag that is nothing more than a protest flag. Well done, John.
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September 24, 2015 8:12am
mikenmild

Argentine prop banned for nine weeks for eye gouging Brodie Retallick. I expect big bruv or Longknives will be along to say this is another example of the official being biased in New Zealand’s favour.
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September 24, 2015 8:13am
iMP

Further to allegations a certain ex Leader of a political party has been tampering with witnesses to the Defence (now under two separate Police investigations) a threatening letter in from CC to John Stringer. Extracts, you decide if this is on, or not…

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/77-colin-pulls-his-centurion-sword-out-and-waggles-it-about-behind-the-scenes-of-the-colin-craig-catastrophe-24-sept-2015/
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September 24, 2015 8:13am
Paulus Gnome

Well the power of the twatterati and social media have prevailed and the engineering company logo will be included in the referendum that is ostensibly to reflect how we see ourselves as New Zealanders.

I should be grateful that the south Auckland voting population, who gave us bozo Brown, did not get their act together and provide the Colonel Saunders option.

Heard off the Mark commenting on radio labour this morning; I never thought that I would wish Winnie to get to a 100 if this is his proposed successor; what a clown
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September 24, 2015 8:14am
kowtow

Albert Ross

I posted that so readers could get a sense of the enrichment that multiculturalism and mass migration brings to the First world .

One should celebrate and embrace these exotic practices that make the boring, bland west so much more interesting and exciting.
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September 24, 2015 8:16am
Lance

@stephieboy
Well someone has to judge otherwise there would be no criminal justice system.
If you mean that you don’t distance yourself from someone or such because we are all non-perfect then that is fair comment.
But there are consequences for your actions and Twyford made statements that this person was of good character when there are sworn affidavits to the contrary.
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September 24, 2015 8:17am
Simon

“I expect big bruv or Longknives will be along ” I expect they are the same man. Or a very least both wear woman’s underwear.

“More than 1,000 cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) were recorded in just three months in the UK, it has been revealed.

The shocking figures have been made public after the health service began recording incidences of FGM for the very first time.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/23/fgm-incidences-nhs-recording-cases_n_8183392.html?1443020395

Celebrate the diversity.

Do the DHBs here record FGM?
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September 24, 2015 8:19am
itstricky

There is every chance now that we are going to be lumbered with a new New Zealand flag that is nothing more than a protest flag.

Not unless 50% of the country like it more than the current flag, right?
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September 24, 2015 8:21am
Nukuleka

stephieboy: you just don’t get it that the whole Kiribati overstayer story has been framed to present the man as an innocent and blameless victim of our selfish and uncaring kiwi attitudes. If the MSM and the man’s champions choose to present him in this light then it is only right that, when the truth is discovered, he should be shown for the person he is. It is not about judging the man for his shortcomings but it is about exposing lies and hypocrisy.

There’s something a mite hollow and hypocritical about a commentator who constantly judges others through his posts in these columns then counselling us all against ‘judging’ others’!!
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September 24, 2015 8:22am
Inandout

Paul Henry interviewing Ruby Wax, well he was really good. She is a very funny lady and Paul gave her enough space to tell her stories. I just couldn’t imagine Mike Hosking being successful; he is too full of himself.
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September 24, 2015 8:23am
Tauhei Notts

Simon writes about so many cases of Female Genital Mutilation in England.
I thought that was old news.
Weren’t they the people who told their women to just lie back and think of England?
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September 24, 2015 8:24am
oldpark

Lets hope Bill English will duplicate the new law about to be enacted in Australian. The great credit card rip off, and surcharges by every tom, dick, and harry business merchants. The surcharges will be no more. If Bill dosnt think it is a good idea ,i am sure there could be many many fledgling MPS in parliament who will grab the opportunity with bated breath, in case they are beaten by someone else. To make sure all credit card surcharges and rip offs get cancelled in NZ, A SURE VOTE CATCHER WILL BE THE RESULT.
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September 24, 2015 8:25am
Nukuleka

itstricky: the point I make is quite clear- over 50% may indeed vote for Red Peak as their preferred option but I would suggest that for a large number their decision would not be based upon their preference for Red Peak but because by choosing it they will be registering a protest vote against John Key.
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September 24, 2015 8:26am
wiseowl

imp
Why don’t you piss off back to your blog and stop using this debate to push your dribble and denigrating attacks on someone who at least tried to do something to correct the policies that have been dragging this country backwards.

Maybe consider it is you yourself that has ruined an opportunity and it is you that undermined a party that could have been in a position to hold the balance of power.

(I was not a member)
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September 24, 2015 8:29am
Keeping Stock

Trevor Mallard certainly ripped into the Greens just before the dinner break in Parliament yesterday:

MP Trevor Mallard took a swing at Hughes, saying their own political wrangling had not been transparent.

“The Green Party is so much up on process, that they were not prepared in select committee or in this house to follow the democratic process and to let New Zealanders have a ‘yes/no’ vote.

“And I want to point out to the Green Party, that not one of their members of Parliament would be in this house, and many National Party members would not be in this house, if there had not been an MMP (Mixed Member Proprotional) referendum with a yes/no vote.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72359521/red-peak-debate-gets-heated-as-it-nears-its-place-on-the-referendum

Mallard seems to have forgotten one small detail. Neither his leader Andrew Little, nor “rising star” Jacinda Ardern is an electorate MP, so he’s actually taking a swipe at two of his own senior colleagues as well.
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September 24, 2015 8:31am
mikenmild

Nukuleka
Maybe John Key will step up and put his personal prestige and electoral appeal behind one of the fern options to get it over the line.
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September 24, 2015 8:32am
mikenmild

How was that a swipe at MMP, KS?
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September 24, 2015 8:33am
Andrei

Russia: Putin, Abbas and Erdogan attend inauguration of Moscow’s biggest mosque

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFpOA-HaLY4
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September 24, 2015 8:33am
Ross12

Nukuleka

My theory on JK changing his mind on the RP flag is that polls are probably telling him that a vote in favour of changing the flag is unlikely, so getting all the other parties ( except NZ First) roped in over this RP flag then when the whole exercise results in the status quo, no one (except Winston) can point the finger. If I’m correct, it is good politics.
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September 24, 2015 8:35am
Manolo

He is no shrinking violet: http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-pm-rejects-merkels-moral-imperialism-refugee-crisis-130722708.html

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Wednesday rejected what he called German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s “moral imperialism” in Europe’s migrant crisis.
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September 24, 2015 8:35am
wreck1080

hosking on newstalk zb supports builder self certification.

He bases this on the fact gas fitters can certify their own work.

Gas fitter in our rental signed of his own work where he installed gas burners so close to a wooden splashback that it would burn.

Landlord tried to blame us and make us pay for new cabinetry. Dick.

Self certification will certainly backfire .
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September 24, 2015 8:36am
Manolo

@stephieboy: Your servility towards refugees knows no bounds. You’re a “progressive” disgrace.
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September 24, 2015 8:37am
kowtow

In failing to challenge power this Pope has rejected his mission. He’s just another cultural marxist.

“….President Obama and the pope in their speeches focused on issues they agreed upon, including refugees, climate change and immigration.

“Obama and the pope didn’t mention the issues such as gay rights and abortion, which conservatives in the country hoped that the pope would bring up. Those are areas (on which) the pope disagrees with the president.” ‘

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/pope-calls-tolerant-inclusive-society-150923140519682.html
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September 24, 2015 8:41am
Paulus

Made my day hearing that the Green Taliban had finessed the Union Labour Party over the inclusion of a stupid US company motif.
No wonder Angry Andy and Little Pony will be very pissed off.
Lovely day.
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September 24, 2015 8:44am
fernglas

The real politics that Key has indulged in over red peak is to increase the number of people who will vote for a change, now that there is now an option that the twitterati believe they forced onto the debate. So there will be a vote for a change, but given red peak’s lack of real popularity, it will still be one of the chosen four. The Greens were sucked in big time; it’s no wonder Labour is spitting tacks.
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September 24, 2015 8:45am
Inandout

Andrei: Not one woman I could see amongst the ‘dignitaries’, and didn’t they look absorbed. lol
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September 24, 2015 8:46am
EAD

The real intention slips out as British Labour MP states “Let’s keep accepting refugees until Britain BREAKS”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/605150/Labour-MP-Rachael-Mask-take-refugees

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent” J Edgar Hoover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMfk5UeGw4E
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September 24, 2015 8:49am
Gabby

They can fix the fgm problem by not recording them. Surprised they haven’t thought about that. It worked for child abuse.
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September 24, 2015 8:50am
Jack5

Until now I thought Stephie the Bot was truly a Bot created with open software by the IT team of Kiwiblog. After the effort near the beginning of this thread today, though, I suspect that Stephie the Bot is actually a piss-take. Bots are mechanical, and can be repetitive, but not thick enough to generate today’s effort.

In his 8.09 post, the Stephie Bot says:

the Reverend Iosefa Suamalie,’s responded with great dignity this morning to the allegations against Ioane Teitiota’. He would of acted no differently to the family’s plight. Judge not that ye be judged he responded .

It reminds us that we have all fallen short in various way…

Could “stephieboy” be another persona of the wit who writes “Padriv Ustoev”? There is a style similarity.
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September 24, 2015 8:50am
Ross12

fernglas

I see your point. Either way there is a lot of game playing going on.
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September 24, 2015 8:53am
Gabby

His own senior colleagues don’t need reminding because they remember stuff past the ennathaday.
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September 24, 2015 8:59am
kowtow

jack 5

padriv and stiffy are two distinct people. Padriv’s education, though clearly of the Soviet Central Asian type is way above stiffy’s .

eg from stiffy “He would of acted” instead of “have acted”.
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September 24, 2015 9:00am
mikenmild

Is that a new crank theory for you, EAD? White ‘genocide’? I can’t keep up with all your crazy notions. Are the Jews behind this one too?
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September 24, 2015 9:02am
kowtow

EAD

I was established some time back that “progressive” Blair and his cohorts had intended to destroy Britain, how people can continue to have any faith in the political class is beyond me. Merkel the latest example.

“The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”, according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
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September 24, 2015 9:04am
Ed Snack

Jack 5, no way, Padriv is often witty; stephieboy exemplifies the “boy” part of his nick.
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September 24, 2015 9:06am
EAD

@ Mikemild

The international definition of genocide includes…

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Surely this covers deliberately shipping in populations with a high birth rate into countries whose own populations have a low birth rate? Does that not define in a nutshell what the worlds leaders are deliberately doing in an act that will eventually destroy European nations and their cultures once and for all?

And of course, the wonderful Saudis (who won’t take a single one despite 3 million beds) http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-has-100000-empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/ have kindly offered to build the Germans 200 mosques to facilitate their eventual destruction.
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September 24, 2015 9:10am
mikenmild

Even if it were true that immigrant populations were going to somehow outbreed your preferred ‘white’ races; you would need to show a deliberate intention for this to happen before you could get close to qualifying it as a genocide.

As it is, it is just another one of your potty racist conspiracy theories.
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September 24, 2015 9:12am
kowtow

Oldpark

Bag Vance all you like but the “gutters and back streets of Belfast” have produced some of the finest men our Islands have ever seen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joseph_Magennis VC
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September 24, 2015 9:14am
Jack5

Boy, what animal cruelty in Indonesia! Blow-torching dogs alive in preparation for butchering them for meat.

If there’s validity in the belief that animal cruelty is an indication of how humans treat other humans, Australia and NZ will badly need nuclear weapons to keep the Indonesians from coming south. Nuke Java fucking flat if the Indonesians poke their noses south of Western Papua, which the Left-wing United Nations handed to Indonesia when the Dutch left. Westerm Papua is under a regime far, far more ruthless and oppressive than any colony run by Britain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3243481/Knocked-club-blowtorched-ALIVE-hundreds-thousands-dogs-cats-cruelly-slaughtered-meat-Indonesian-markets.html
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September 24, 2015 9:15am
Rowan

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11515312

Poor old flubber and his big mouth, what a surprise!
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September 24, 2015 9:16am
AgentBallSack

News just in from Sowf Afreeeka, The man accused of having a freezer full of vaginas was merely starting his own version of the NZ Labour Party.
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September 24, 2015 9:18am
Than

Mallard seems to have forgotten one small detail.

He also forgot that when New Zealand decided to change voting system, the process didn’t follow a vote yes/no first procedure that Labour is advocating. There was a multi-choice referendum between options (MMP, STV, etc.) first, followed by a head-to-head vote between the current system and the winner. Exactly the same as the flag change process, and for the same reason. Asking people “do you want to change” without telling them what they would be changing to is simply so loaded in favour of the status quo that its not even worth asking.

But Labour painted themselves into a corner over Red Peak. They wanted to be in favour of it while against the process despite their policy being in favour of changing the flag. They just ended up looking foolish. The fact that it happened as a result of National-Green co-operation is particularly amusing.
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September 24, 2015 9:19am
Keeping Stock

@ mikenmild – I thought EAD had predicted global financial collapse by this time in September. My EFT-POS card still worked this morning, so I guess we’re still waiting 😉
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September 24, 2015 9:20am
Jack5

Rowan at 9.16 takes joy in the court finding against Whale Oil.

Did Whale give your mate David Bain a hard time, Rowan?
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September 24, 2015 9:21am
mikenmild

KS
He’s backing away from that prediction as fast as he can. Apparently the collapse is beginning to happen. Bought your gold and ammunition yet?
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September 24, 2015 9:25am
Keeping Stock

Quite right Than – the multi-choice referendum on electoral reform was first, followed by the winner, MMP, vs FPP. Mallard was trying to rewrite history, which is understandable, given that he, along with Goff and King are leftovers from the Rogernomics era of Labour.

And mikenmild – the point I was making was that if Mallard was trying to imply that the Greens and “many National Party members” were somehow inferior, owing their existence to MMP, then the same implication applied to those Labour MP’s elected from the Party List, most notably the leader and the “rising star”.
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September 24, 2015 9:25am
Keeping Stock

@ mikenmild – it’s all secured in the nuclear-resistant bunker at the bottom of my garden 😀
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September 24, 2015 9:26am
EAD

Mouldy,

I don’t have to “prove” it is deliberate – the evidence speaks for itself. The fact that the general public has never been asked if they want this nation altering level of immigration proves that their is no democratic mandate for what is going on.

I know your an international one world kind of guy who is wetting himself over a borderless world where you think feminised euncuh type males such as yourself will be top of the pile (hint you’ll be first one lined up against the wall) but many of us quite like the natural safety and trust familiarity brings – it is why the nation state was formed.

Here is a question – do you think the French people, Dutch people, British people, German people, Italian people etc should be allowed a homeland that their forefathers fought and died for and which they built up over generations? One where they can feel safe and familiar and leave to future generations to benefit from? Or do you think these pieces of land should become atomised, feuding fiefdoms and all that history and effort is consigned to the dustbin of history as they slowly transform into 3rd world shitholes?
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September 24, 2015 9:28am
AgentBallSack

KS the world is going to start ending on the 28th of September. The night the ~~religion of peace~~ stone age culture slaughter animals in memory of some fucked up part of their bloodthirsty religion.
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September 24, 2015 9:30am
Aliog

Mikenmild, I’m amazed (and impressed) that you have the stomach and the time to read EAD’s dribble. Now that it is clear that the world is not ending this week, he has clearly moved on to new depths. I’m afraid I have come to treat his posts in the same way as Reid, UT, Penny, igm and oldpark…scroll, downtick, move on to something readable.

Edit – I see KS beat me to it!
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September 24, 2015 9:31am
Griff

Or do you think these pieces of land should become atomised, feuding fiefdoms

EAD wobbles around.
I was sure it was the new world order and the global government last week.
Today its the exact opposite.
It would help EAD if you were actually consistent. Having such a number of contradictory world views just makes you look even more nuts.
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September 24, 2015 9:43am
Griff

Some good news.
NZ dairy giant Fonterra lifts forecast by 75 cents
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/72361647/nz-dairy-giant-fonterra-posts-183-pct-rise-in-annual-profit-to-506-million
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September 24, 2015 9:46am
tf78

The Bloody Flag.
The flag actually has a WHITE PEAK – peak being the uppermost part which is white not BLOODY RED. I wish they would stop calling it red peak.
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September 24, 2015 9:49am
EAD

@ Keeping Stock,

you’re obviously one of these guys who watches the news and will shout “it is raining outside” when and only when the weather forecaster tells you it is so in spite of your driveway being under 3 inches of water. The MSM doesn’t have to tell you it is a crash for it to be so.

Now lets see what’s in the news in this past week alone

China – the dual house and stock bubbles bursting simultaneously, China’s regulators have responded by freezing the markets, banning short-selling, arresting short-sellers, and pumping tens of billions of Dollars into the market per day. Despite this, Chinese stocks continue to crater. And the economy hasn’t budged

USA – the Fed recently refused to raise rates from all history lows, secretviley launched another batch of QE and some of the Fed Board signalled negative rates

Britain The Head of the BOE this week says they may have to resort to “banning cash” and “negative interest rates” in order to protect the UK economy from what is going on http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/11874061/Negative-interest-rates-could-be-necessary-to-protect-UK-economy-says-Bank-of-England-chief-economist.html

All major bourses are down 10-15% from their highs this year (20% is defined as a bear market) while more than 20 “2nd tier” bourses are already in bear market territory.

Despite all this State action aimed at stopping the already stretched rubber band from snapping, things have continued to plummet and today we received yet another warning of imminent danger: https://www.rt.com/uk/316285-financial-crash-markets-warning/

It is my guess that your’re so distracted by fast moving “events” that you don’t breathing room to apply logic, reason or historical context and fall into the narrative spun by talking MSM bobbleheads.

My advice to a smart guy (obviously not directed at MM or Griff) like yourself is to get away from your TV and go for a walk. We are in time of grave danger around the world and if you fall into the trap of talking only the memes you’re provided such as “left” vs. “right”, you’re going to wake up one day and wonder just what the hell happened as your comfortable existence is turned upside down

have a read of this for a start and let me know your thoughts:

http://rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_crisis_of_the_now_distracted_and_diverted_from_the_ever_encroachin
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September 24, 2015 9:53am
alloytoo

In this Flag debate Labour has squandered a golden opportunity to fix the general perception that they are both unfit to govern and not a government in waiting.

Their opposition to the the implementation of what is, effectively, their own policy by the government has left them looking childish and petulant.

Now Key has maneuvered the Greens into supporting the venture, simultaneously appearing flexible, screwing Labour, and making the Greens look completely out of touch because the flag they’ve chosen to push is so bloody awful.

Only Winnie was too canny to fall into his trap.
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September 24, 2015 10:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

What a nightmare CYFS must be for some children
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72363207/horrifying-outcomes-for-cyf-kids-warrant-a-whole-new-model–tolley

The trendy philosophies about caring for children that need state intervention seem to be as bad as the old models of adoption, or life in state/ religious homes.

I trust that the political parties will work in unison towards some practical and helpful outcomes.
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September 24, 2015 10:14am
Rowan

Jackoff
This has nothing to do with David, although the online defamation would be one parallel, Flubber should have learnt something there, but that requires brains not blubber!
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September 24, 2015 10:25am
Griff

“Overall, six out of every ten children in care are Maori children.”
New “key areas” would underpin a new CYF model. They included a child-centred system, “where the voices and needs of children and young people are at the forefront of everything the agency does”.

That is not the purpose of cyf’s to pander to racial caseworkers allegiance to a stone age culture.
When they stop placing maori kids with maori family’s who often are just as involved in the Maoris corrupt culture as the parents you might see some change.
A friend just completed a carers course with cyf.
She was immediately asked if she could look after five children needing emergency care.
We need more willing to get involved and less racial nonsense in the system .
We should also pay those who are breeding uncontrollably to get sterilized. Ten grand or so granted to those that chose sterilization while on a benefit would make a considerable dent in the next crop of unwanted children.
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September 24, 2015 10:34am
Jack5

~~Rowan, Rooted,~~ Ruin at 10.25:

Whale Oil could undergo a lobotomy that shaved 60 points off his IQ, and he would still run rings around you.
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September 24, 2015 10:54am
stephieboy

Andrei (3,324 comments) says:
September 24th, 2015 at 8:33 am

Russia: Putin, Abbas and Erdogan attend inauguration of Moscow’s biggest mosque…

Good one but I can see how it will make our rabid “holy” crusaders foam at the mouth and tear their hair out. !
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September 24, 2015 10:56am
emmess

The EU is not a democracy, what sort of democracy bribes countries to vote a certain way and then penalizes them for voting the ‘wrong’ way?
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September 24, 2015 11:11am
Black with a Vengeance

Are igm and oldpark at all distinguishable?

In as much as those other muppets statler and waldorf are.

It does seem like they got the same hand jammed up their arses.
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September 24, 2015 11:20am
Black with a Vengeance

Tolley’s gonna find herself out of her depth again and they’re gonna have to draft bennett or collins in to do the heavy lifting i reckon.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72363207/horrifying-outcomes-for-cyf-kids-warrant-a-whole-new-model–tolley
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September 24, 2015 11:23am
Than

Their opposition to the the implementation of what is, effectively, their own policy by the government has left them looking childish and petulant.

Agreed. This was a wasted opportunity for Labour. They could have looked constructive and reasonable. Instead they let the Greens get the credit, and as an added bonus encouraged a rare example of National-Green cooperation. Labour definitely doesn’t want that to catch on.
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September 24, 2015 11:31am
wikiriwhis business

Five Kiwi companies have missed out on buying the RNZAF’s Iroquois.
It was an opportunity to grow their business and add jobs.
But instead the government selected a US bid – and the copters will be cut up for spare parts.
But it wasn’t about money.
One company we know of bid $4.5 million – the winning bid was $3m-$5m, according to the government.
Why are Kiwi companies the losers?
These air force workhorses have served New Zealand well. Kiwi businesses saw the future potential.
This government claims it wants to build the economy, that it is investing in the regions. Not so.
One of the losers was a company in a low socio-economic area that would have created at least 15 jobs if they had bought the 10 helicopters.
After they put in the bid, there was no communication, just a straight rejection a short time later.
What sort of process was this?
A government blunder?
A miscarriage of the process?
Or a political promise to the US?
We asked the Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee but he was his usual condescending self.
If the US had demanded the helicopters be returned to US ownership why did the NZ government put them out to international tender?
Why did the government not stand up to the US on behalf of our businesses, given the benefit and advantage to NZ.?
Given the government has a policy when it buys goods and services that Kiwi suppliers must be given a full and fair opportunity to compete, surely this should have applied when Defence decided to sell the Iroquois.
The Minister ducked our questions on this, but he has ministerial responsibility to answer.
Kiwi business deserves action on their behalf, not hollow words.

https://www.facebook.com/winstonpeters?fref=nf

Shame on National. I will say Labour would have done the same thing.

Can’t take these corporate ideologues anywhere
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September 24, 2015 11:33am
Rowan

Jackoff
http://hdmovieam.org/watch-south-park-tvshow-season-3-episode-4-online-free-putlocker.html
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September 24, 2015 12:04pm
Lucia Maria

Nicky Hagar is currently talking to college students. He’s trashing Kiwiblog (and WhaleOil), saying that they are the lowest of the low in blogging. This is at least the second time he’s talked to them at my sons’ college – the last time was last year around election time.

He’s been going around NZ talking to as many school kids as he can.
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September 24, 2015 12:08pm
mikenmild

And Hager talking to school kids would be a problem because…?
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September 24, 2015 12:12pm
Black with a Vengeance

To be fair Lucia Maria, most of the regular commenters here at the bog and over at the fishbowl are of the low brow knuckle dragger variety.

Doesn’t really set a good example for the kiddies seeing how supposed grownups carry on here.
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September 24, 2015 12:15pm
wiseowl

Lucia.
You mean Hagar is indoctrinating college students.
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September 24, 2015 12:16pm
Lucia Maria

I found a video of what he’s saying about Kiwiblog and WhaleOil in another talk to Wellington High School last month (it’s in the first few minutes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQY4uun1cyU
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September 24, 2015 12:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Lucia Maria

Its exam-time… most of the teachers are in switch-off mode. They fill up the day with “fun” activities.

Anyway, what teenager is going to care what some old fart is raving about? They’ve got other things on their mind.
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September 24, 2015 12:18pm
Lucia Maria

Mike,

It wouldn’t be a problem if there were some balancing voices there, rather than just Nicky Hagar’s view of the NZ and politics.

A right of reply from both Cameron Slater and David Farrar might be nice.
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September 24, 2015 12:19pm
Lucia Maria

Maggy,

My 18 year old cares. He’s been busy texting me about the whole thing just now. Wanting to know if there was anything he should ask Nicky Hagar. I suggested that most of what I would get him to ask would create trouble for him, so better not to do so.

He says there are about 40 kids there – the ones that were interested in coming along, so it was optional.

It’s not exam time yet, btw. That was in August, and then they’re coming up in November. It is the last week of the term, though.
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September 24, 2015 12:21pm
mikenmild

I’m sure if David Farrar or Cameron Slater offered to visit a school to talk to kids they would be very welcome. Although it is many years since I left school, I seem to remember we had all sorts of weird people in. Even Christian evangelists!
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September 24, 2015 12:24pm
Black with a Vengeance

I suggested that most of what I would get him to ask would create trouble for him, so better not to do so.

That’s a copout if i ever i saw one.

How about you grow a pair and inspire your kids to do the same ?
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September 24, 2015 12:26pm
Lucia Maria

Black,

Both prudence as well as “having a pair” is necessary in life. Going off half cocked all the time is not always useful.

I finally did think of a milder question for my son to ask, but Nicky had finished by then.
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September 24, 2015 12:31pm
Black with a Vengeance

Going off half cocked would have served your boy better in this instance.

Moral of the story…

Always ask the hard questions, as by the time you’ve formulated a mild one, the opportunity to ask anything will have gone.
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September 24, 2015 12:38pm
Lucia Maria

Black,

You don’t even know what questions I would have asked.
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September 24, 2015 12:46pm
Dave_1924

So Lucia…. Mr Hagar says at just around the 4 minute mark [just before from a round 3:45 onwards] that Slaters computer was hacked, which was illegal and then he says he knows the hacker!

Hmmmmmmm……. begs the question why the NZ Police have not arrested said person. Because Mr Hagar would have said who he was surely given said hacker broke the law….

I LOVE the BS defence of public good used to knowingly aid and abet illegal activity because its for Left Wing political purposes….
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September 24, 2015 12:49pm
Andrei

More on the mosque

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPI-5ACQ4Tg
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September 24, 2015 12:52pm
simonway

Than: the voting system referendum had two questions in the first stage. The first one had the options:

I vote to retain the present First-Past-the-Post voting system.
I vote for a change to the voting system.

This was before the second referendum, at the same time as the referendum on which voting system people would like to change to. You can see that here; next to the “19 Sep 1992” date, there is a referendum with a “Part A” and “Part B” that were held simultaneously, and then on 6 Nov 1993 is the second referendum.
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September 24, 2015 12:52pm
Albert_Ross

Possibly my lowest ever rating at 8:11, but I’m unrepentant.

It’s a terrible, terrible thing that young girls are still having their genitals mutilated in deference to barbaric custom.

But migration doesn’t make it happen, and it doesn’t make it worse. On the contrary, if a family moves from (eg) Somalia to the UK, it is likely that the result will be to reduce the total amount of FGM going on in the world.

That is because the family will find it more difficult to carry out FGM in the UK than they would have done in Somalia, and they will not be able to persuade other UK families, who would not otherwise have done so, to adopt the practice. So the move reduces the likelihood of the immigrant girls suffering that fate, and does not increase the likelihood of local girls doing so. Net result: Overall reduction in amount of FGM being carried out.
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September 24, 2015 12:55pm
simonway

People should be aware that the “white genocide” video that EAD has shared is made by actual white supremacists. I don’t mean that as an epithet or an insult. I’m not just name-calling; I am talking about literal, dyed-in-the-wool members of neo-Nazi parties who post on websites like Stormfront.

The man who invented the “white genocide” talking point is an American neo-Nazi named Bob Whitaker.
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September 24, 2015 12:55pm
Manolo

Is Jeb Bush fading away? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/23/fox-news-poll-outsiders-rule-2016-gop-field-support-for-biden-nearly-doubles/?intcmp=hpbt3
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September 24, 2015 12:59pm
Manolo

The Messiah or the Devil? http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cameras-catch-obama-with-horns-next-to-pope/
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September 24, 2015 1:01pm
Lucia Maria

Dave,

Interesting, huh?

I’ll have to ask my son if Nicky said the same sort of things to his group.

I wish I had known about this in advance.
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September 24, 2015 1:06pm
Albert_Ross

wreck1080 on tradesman self-certification, you didn’t finish your story.

It sounds as if the landlord did not succeed in his attempts to blame you. He had no case against you.

You and your landlord did, however, have a case against the gas fitter, and the fact that the gas fitter had signed off on his work meant that he was accepting the responsibility for it. Didn’t you pursue him?
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September 24, 2015 1:08pm
Weihana

Nukuleka (815 comments) says:
September 24th, 2015 at 8:26 am

itstricky: the point I make is quite clear- over 50% may indeed vote for Red Peak as their preferred option but I would suggest that for a large number their decision would not be based upon their preference for Red Peak but because by choosing it they will be registering a protest vote against John Key.

I’m going to vote for Red Peak… because I like it as a flag.

Replacing the Union Jack with the silver fern is boring and uninspiring. It’s the kind of change you expect from some sort of bureaucratic committee. Lockwood’s kept most of it the same in anticipation that people don’t really want change at all and included a silver fern so John Key (and every other NZer who thinks the country revolves around sports) is happy. Lame.

If we should have the silver fern then just have the silver fern. Why this bureaucratic compromise flag? Sean Plunket was talking about “continuity” with the past. You know what most represents continuity with the past? NOT CHANGING THE FLAG.

Red Peak or keep it the way it is.
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September 24, 2015 1:11pm
cha

People should be aware that the “white genocide” video that EAD has shared is made by actual white supremacists.

The bastard child.

http://www.donotlink.com/grz9

https://twitter.com/genophilia
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