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mandk

“Which in court is taken as guilt”

Which sort of court are you talking about wb?

I’m interested to know because the last time I served on a jury the judge was at pains to point out that nothing should be inferred from the defendant’s decision not to give evidence.
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September 22, 2015 5:00pm
mikenmild

Longknives
It was actually kowtow who brought up ancient history. Apparently we should be upset about the ‘illegal’ Arab conquest of Jerusalem in the 7th century.
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September 22, 2015 5:04pm
AgentBallSack

Just for fun. Hows your Trump vs Idiocracy general knowledge?

http://flavorwire.com/537887/who-said-it-presidential-hopeful-donald-trump-or-idiocracy-president-camacho
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September 22, 2015 5:08pm
mikenmild

Hah. ‘Triumph the Insult Comic Dog made flesh, a comically bouffanted racist oligarch who tweets like a fifth grader and brags like a cafeteria rapper’
Only got 9/10 – thought they were all Trump quotes.
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September 22, 2015 5:18pm
calendar girl

Maggy @ 3:38pm –

“Was Pete George the only person to notice that a new Political Party was announced yesterday?”

When I saw “Outdoors Party” I thought it was the the last stand of the Nudists.
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September 22, 2015 5:19pm
Reid

Wow, that was fast.

http://tass.ru/en/economy/822062

Now watch it spread through the BRICS, then Africa and SE Asia. Basically, everywhere except the West.

And watch how that cripples the UKISA’s ability to apply sanctions AND trace money laundering AND conduct industrial and military and external security espionage AND design and implement economic sabotage strategies.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

It’d be a shame, had the UKISA not bought the whole mess upon itself, for no good geostrategic reason whatsoever.

But since it did,

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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September 22, 2015 5:29pm
Fletch

That Supreme Court has delivered its ruling by the power vested in it by the United States Constitution.

There has not been any constitutional law made regarding same-sex marriage. Also, the Tenth Amendment gives states the right to supersede the federal government in most matters including the definition of marriage.
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September 22, 2015 5:30pm
Viking2

Chuck Bird (5,623 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2015 at 3:46 pm

“Anger is boiling over due to a pharmaceutical company raising the price of a decades-old AIDS drug from $18 USD per pill to $750 USD per pill.”

If you do not want to get HIV do not take it up the arse.
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Displaying your ignorance as usual.

HIV can be contracted in a number of ways but you know that don’t you.

You are obsessed with your problem of other peoples sexuality.
And seemingly always have been.

What happened to you?

And don’t bother threatening me like you have in the past for holding different views.
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September 22, 2015 5:59pm
Viking2

Here’s what we are going to get with a TPP.

Opportunist as this may be it whats known as the American Way.

igm engage your thinking a bit.

Expect this to become part of the American rort of the TPP. and we will be screwed by this type of action.

John Carroll, the editor of Fierce Biotech, a daily newsletter about the industry, was one of the first to ask Turing chief executive Martin Shkreli directly to explain the move.

In a hot-headed Twitter exchange over the weekend, Shkreli declined to provide additional information and instead launched into a series of personal attacks against Carroll – calling him “irrelevant” and someone who doesn’t “think logically.”

Carroll tweeted, “Let’s see if we can get a statement from @MartinShkreli. Martin, your co. just hiked the price of an old drug – new to you – by 5000%. Why?

Good question and lousy answer.
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September 22, 2015 6:03pm
cha

What would you do if you heard boys screaming in the other room while they were being raped?

Well the good folk at the pentagon did think it was okay to authorise American tax dollars to be paid to an American company to hire little boys….

One effort to train Afghan civilian police has drawn attention from the State Department’s inspector general following incidents of questionable management oversight, including one instance in which expatriate DynCorp employees in Afghanistan hired a teenage boy to perform a tribal dance at a company farewell party and videotaped the event.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/26/AR2009072602358.html
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September 22, 2015 6:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Calendar Girl

When I saw “Outdoors Party” I thought it was the the last stand of the Nudists.

I think the Outdoors party might have some appeal to KBers
https://freedomshammer.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/nudist-camp1.jpg
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September 22, 2015 6:19pm
Griff

Nudists.
Maybe if Luc was still a regular .
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September 22, 2015 6:24pm
Manolo

The Saffas are angry: http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/world-cup/68850-backs-to-the-wall-boks-to-set-record-straight
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September 22, 2015 6:26pm
wiseowl

Secret deals are being done behind closed doors to hand over the ownership and control of water to iwi all around New Zealand.

The PM is in on this scandal and anyone who understands the ramifications of this secret deal needs to tackle their MP or councillor and ask them what the hell is going on and if they support this racist move.

It needs to be stopped and stopped now.
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September 22, 2015 6:33pm
nasska

….”What would you do if you heard boys screaming in the other room while they were being raped?”…..

First the Catholics & then the Muslims. So long as there is organised religion in this world not one boy nor his bottom is safe!
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September 22, 2015 6:37pm
Viking2

Yesterday’s post complained that MSM reporting doesn’t mention the consumer’s great win from internet disintermediation in accomodation and taxi markets. This morning’s DomPost seemed to prove my point with a sorry beat up from the Taxi Federation of the Uber passenger safety risk.

The risk is real but we consumers properly dismiss it. Like my risk of being knocked off my bike, or a heart attack from what I eat, there are many consequences a free society leaves us to choose individually according to our feeling whether the benefits outweigh the risks. The Federation does not want to accept the lessons of TradeMe, Uber, AirBnB and so on, that reputation feedback mechanisms are beating regulatory precautionary prohibitions in both efficiency and effectiveness.

Then I found on Stuff Jessy Edwards’ engaging survey of the issues. She has explored the consumer benefit, psychic as well as financial, and the delight of drivers freed to work for themselves under the Uber contracting model.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/congratulations-jessy-edwards-for-uber-story/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/10522107/Taxi-group-issues-warning-on-Uber
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September 22, 2015 6:39pm
cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjRm3dFyQL0
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September 22, 2015 6:47pm
EAD

Fascinating read from Morgorth and the hierarchy within cultural marxism. Even here on Kiwiblog, the higher you go up the cultural marxist hierarchy, the more intense the name-calling and shrill reactions become.

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/soft-reactionaries-and-hierarchy-of.html

Feminists and Homosexuals

Feminists and Homosexuals are the least respected and dangerous of the various groups within the Cultural Marxist camp. Ostensibly they have an important role in breaking down the family, sexualizing children and feminizing men. In reality they are a clownish bunch and the would be reactionary can insult them more or less at will. Their shields and weapons consist of ”Homophobe” and ”Misogynist” but they are a pale shadow of the more powerful word weapons of other groups. Women and Homos also lose to all other groups within the progressive camp, for example, in a Gays vs Islam spat Gays will lose. In the end Feminists and Gays are, like all whites, targeted for deletion by the ruling elites and playing along in a white men vs white women war is doing precisely what the elites want.

Islam

The most loathed of the entire Cultural Marxist camp, most reactionaries today are reactionaries because of Muslims and their truly detested religion. Islam is so savage, so alien and so aggressive that all but the most deluded of Liberals have given up trying to defend it and so in terms of being ”edgy” Islam has slipped down the rankings and is widely criticized. The exact role that Islam plays within the Liberal camp is up for debate, some argue Muslims have been dumped in Europe to garner support for Israel and Jews, others think Liberals thought they could ”tame” Islam or Liberalize it. It is possible that Islam could destroy the Cultural Marxist camp, or cripple it with internal paradoxes.

Third World Immigrants

Non white immigrants are the means by which Cultural Marxists and the ruling elites are directly replacing white people in their homelands. This is a big step for the would-be reactionary because he has to become a race realist and leave behind the cultural and anti Islam arguments. If you are going to argue that your people are being replaced then you must be able to prove they exist and are a group separate from Africans and Asians. This obviously means breaking free of the word ”Racist”. This far into the game the emerging Nationalist will understand that the word ”Racist” is nothing but a set of chains that binds his people. He will see the world through a lens of race and not egalitarian fluff.

The Jewish Question

The ultimate taboo, the Jews designed and pushed the Cultural Marxist agenda, from here on in the reactionary finally gets the answers to all the questions. At this level he will have to withstand being slurred with Nazi and Anti Semite. The pervading morality is revealed as a Jewish creation to cripple whites, the true enemy and most powerful group becomes clear. Shocking, because your average white has been told all his life that Jews are a helpless victim group. In actual fact they hold all the economic, political and cultural choke points in their hands. If you are raging against the modern world you are, whether you realize it or not, raging against organized Jewry.You’re angry at feminists, they invented it, you’re worried about Third World immigrants, they brought them here, you rage against the ”Hate Speech” laws, they silenced you. Even the all powerful ”racist” word weapon was a Jewish invention to demonizes white ethnic solidarity and racial awareness.
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September 22, 2015 6:48pm
Griff

Cultural Marxist.

Is that whack job for people I disagree with?
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September 22, 2015 6:57pm
nasska

Cultural Marxist is a catch all phrase where conservonutters assert that there is a conspiracy where non whites, gays, progs & any group Baity or EAD don’t like are seen as working together to instil Marxism under a secret agenda.

Used as a packer over at True Blue. Without the constant retyping of “Cultural Marxist” all that would be left are the ravings of the nut & the suckholing of his trusty sidekick.
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September 22, 2015 7:18pm
mikenmild

the Jews designed and pushed the Cultural Marxist agenda

Good old EAD, unashamedly racist. It’s all down to the Jews, of course.
How’s that total economic collapse coming along?
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September 22, 2015 7:19pm
big bruv

Does anybody here know why Matthew Hooton has gone dog on John Key?

I listen to him talk on nine to noon with Mike Smith, while Hooton tries his best to give the impression that his dislike of Key is because of policy the level of vitriol goes way beyond what one would expect for a disagreement about policy.

With Hooton it does seem to be something personal, does anybody have an idea what might be behind it?
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September 22, 2015 7:58pm
Rachael Membery

How is this for a waste of taxpayers money, being phoned by a company wanting to know how I rated service from our Police Force. Is it not bad enough that every company does it, I have moaned about ACC but at least I was a client but the Police? Hope not by anyone associated…….lol
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September 22, 2015 8:17pm
cha

What could possibly go wrong?.

Hassan Hassan
‏@hxhassan

Jihadists from Chechnya & North Caucasus are reportedly flocking to the Syrian coastal region “looking for Russians”

https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/646072568605229056

edit: google translation
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September 22, 2015 8:27pm
SPC

EAD, lefties favour greater say to nation state governments over how the economy is organised – multi-culturalism and related immigration is an appendage of the global market (and the unfettered access of international capital) and the diminished authority of nation state government.

In Europe the common market then EU with free movement of labour are economic and political constructs, not an outreach of cultural Marxism.

This being consistent with the corporate interests of American corporations/capital.

Your analysis is a what is called disinformation to hide the truth, so people cannot organise against it without seeming to be racists opposed to Jews, other ethnic and religious minorities and immigrants. Dupe.
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September 22, 2015 8:30pm
SPC

Reid, no wonder they signed the treaty with Iran, the ability to isolate nations with sanctions diminishes with the end of the SWIFT monopoly.
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September 22, 2015 8:33pm
Chuck Bird

“Is that the only way someone can contract HIV?”

No, but by far the most likely way in NZ.
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September 22, 2015 8:47pm
Manolo

Life is complicated: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/254433-dems-see-biden-entering-race-and-complicating-life-for-hillary-clinton
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September 22, 2015 9:28pm
Manolo

This smoke seller and social activist is an old foe of capitalism:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/21/news/economy/pope-francis-capitalism/
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September 22, 2015 9:33pm
Lucia Maria

Big Bruv,

If you look for interviews with Matthew Hooten around the time that the Dirty Politics book was all the rage, he goes into why in one or some of those interviews. It’s the sort of thing that I wouldn’t want to even mention in case I got it wrong, as I can’t remember the exact details.
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September 22, 2015 9:56pm
Fisiani

Trevor Mallard is not fit to be a Speaker. Today proved it.
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September 22, 2015 10:11pm
starboard

Howdy mincers..happy hour soon to be upon us..99 baht banana daiquiris, top division ! Off to the full moon party island tomorrow , Ko Phangan ..awesome place..lots of acid, but that’s illegal and to be steered clear of. Reminds me of my ‘nam days..eh gwiff ! Anyhooo missing you guys wish you were all here x
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September 22, 2015 10:34pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘Justice Dawson’s minute today says if the respondents are successful in their applications it might lead to an adjournment or conclusion of the hearing.

But they will “suffer no prejudice” if this happens, and all parties ultimately have their rights of appeal, he says.’

The above from a ruling by Nevin Dawson that the extradition proceedings against DC will continue on Thursday. In the text of the Judgement he says that the various applications for dismissal of the charges to be heard before the extradition will be heard during the hearing, in context. The status of the parties and validity of charges is usually heard in advance of a hearing so this ruling is very interesting. The hearing could become very long, whatever the case is it remains in the public interest that due process must be seen to have been followed in this prosecution from the outset, that the charges alleged are offences under NZ Law, and that DC and his co-defendants are not stripped of the right to a complete defence. The interrogatories stating that the Crown should not be proceeding with the prosecution because of their conduct in bringing the charges, their practical inability to conduct 2 roles, that of prosecutor and at the same time investigator and maker of decisions that ultimately could show favour for their role as prosecutor make this case very important. A Judge can and will recuse themselves from a case for various reasons in order to observe the neutrality of the Law. The Crown don’t do that, a reasonable argument to correct that is to dismiss charges when the Crown wander from role to role in a pattern that promotes their own position over that of a citizen or resident – just the same as happened with John Banks.
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September 22, 2015 10:40pm
Rob1

Fletch (7,703 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2015 at 10:55 am

Sheikh Muhammad Ayed delivering an address at the Al-Aqsa Mosques: Europe Wants the Muslim Refugees as Labor; We Shall Conquer Their Countries.

More bullshit from Fletch. Do you even bother to look at what you’re posting? Google this guys name. The only thing you’ll find about him is this vid, that’s it. Typical memri tv. Doesn’t seem to be many paying any attention either.

Them scarey mooslims are coming for you Fletch. Better grab your Depends and head for the hills.
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September 23, 2015 1:53am
Rob1

mikenmild (15,755 comments) says:
September 22nd, 2015 at 7:19 pm

I had one loon over there tell me NZ was a socialist dystopia. I think it was one of the master baiters alts
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September 23, 2015 1:59am
Viking2

Oh the hypocrisy.

McCully said he was aware of Philip Blackwood’s situation and understood the “upset and stress this continues to cause Mr Blackwood and his family”.

“I have raised Philip Blackwood’s case with the Myanmar government and will continue to do so as appropriate.”

The government could not intervene in another country’s legal process, McCully said, and he understood that the Myanmar legal process was still in play.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/72288477/nz-politicians-dont-care-about-kiwi-jailed-for-insulting-buddha

Meanwhile in Auckland.

Dubbed the “Mega Conspiracy” by the FBI, US authorities allege Dotcom and his associates – Ortmann, Finn Batato and Bram van der Kolk – were involved in an organised criminal enterprise – centred on copyright violation through website Megaupload – which earned them $US175 million.

If extradited and found guilty in the US, the four men face charges that carry decades of jail time.

They include conspiracy to commit racketeering, conspiracy to commit money laundering, wire fraud and two kinds of criminal copyright infringement based on an FBI investigation going back to 2010.

Judge Dawson doesn’t have to decide whether the four are guilty or not, only if they could be surrendered to the US to face charges there. The justice minister then makes a decision on the matter.

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=213553

And just who decided our Govt. should prosecute the American case then?

Apparently we have two principles depending on who is the biggest bully.
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September 23, 2015 6:41am
Manolo

Is the Queen going nuts? http://radaronline.com/photos/hillary-clinton-health-issues-tell-all-claims/photo/1202941/
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September 23, 2015 6:47am
igm

Can’t wait until some dirt on Bradford, along with Vance, is released. These two apparitions are unfit for their positions and their companies should be given a wide berth by advertisers and purchasers of goods promoted by their respective employers; these advertisers are indirectly endorsing the editorial policy of these companies. Mix with dogs catch fleas apologies for scribes.
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September 23, 2015 7:09am
mikenmild

Hi igm. I have some dirt on them. I’m prepared to make it public if you would offer me a job.
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September 23, 2015 7:11am
Chuck Bird

“Displaying your ignorance as usual.

HIV can be contracted in a number of ways but you know that don’t you.”

@Viking

It is you that are ignorant. The vast majority of HIV is from homosexuals and bisexuals in NZ.

Since you want to indulge in personal attacks tell us if you have changed you view in mature adults having sex with underage girls.

Are the underage victims in any way at fault or is the perpetrator 100% at fault.

Idiot liberals like you are responsible for HIV infection by support the nonsense view of the NZ AIDS Foundation that condoms are the answer.

Since you are so smart tell us how many married men have been infected from their NZ born wives?
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September 23, 2015 7:26am
igm

milkwimp: You are a public servant, a drunk, and unfit for private sector employment.
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September 23, 2015 7:51am
mikenmild

Only some of that is untrue.
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September 23, 2015 7:53am
stephieboy

igm, and what are you precisely ?

Wimp ?
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September 23, 2015 7:56am
Griff

Are the underage victims in any way at fault or is the perpetrator 100% at fault.

Gee chuck the old Graham Capill defense.
But your honer the twelve year old was gagging for it. That you consider such a thing justifies or minimizes an adults responsibility for child molestation in any way shows your total lack of a developed mature adult moral standards.
Chuck rather than displaying your obsession with bum foolery for all to see on here why dont you join starboard criko et al. down the local public toilets to get what you are so obviously fantasizing about?
Dont forget to wrap it in rubber.
We wouldn’t want you to get an arsehole injected death sentence.
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