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AgentBallSack

kowtow it’s merely coincidence that the 2 poster boys for Islamic integration into Europe happened to be a people trafficker and a terrorist. Isn’t it? I mean surely they’re not ALL bad?
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September 21, 2015 1:30pm
graphite

Griff (11,000 comments) says:
September 21st, 2015 at 12:35 pm
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whatever graphite.
Just what I would expect from someone as stupid (as already proven) as you.
Did you do something like that at his age ?
I doubt you could at your age now…….
It is not in any way a fuckin bomb it has no explosive like devices .
You would be idiotic to think it is.

His father is a political activist hence……. conspiracy!
whacko alert
His father is a political activist for moderate secular Muslim ambitions .

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I didn’t say it was a bomb. I didn’t say it resembled a bomb. It patently wasn’t a bomb. I said nothing about it being a bomb.

I said the school staff and the police overreacted. Which they obviously did.

As did the President of the United States when he invited the kid to the White House. As did all sorts of other do-gooders . . . a message of support from Hillary Clinton, an offer to stop by Facebook to meet Mark Zuckerberg and an invitation to be an intern at Twitter. Wow! They all wanted a piece of the action.

My point is that the kid did not make a clock. He didn’t come anywhere near to making a clock. He made nothing. He took the case off an old clock and pretended that what remained was his own invention.

Did I do that when I was a kid? Well, when I was a kid, clocks worked by clockwork. I pulled a few apart, sure, as well as a watch or two, to see how they worked. Didn’t pass them off as something I’d invented, though.

What my skill, or lack of skill, with electronics has to do with anything in this case is clearly beyond me.

With all the attention the kid was receiving — for instance being hailed as “the Muslim hero America has been waiting for” — it was only natural people would want to know more about him and his family. What they rapidly found was that he was a fantasist (nothing too much wrong with that in a 14-year-old) and that his father was a Muslim activist.

You say moderate Muslim activist. Maybe. Maybe not.

But there is nothing wrong with investigating further.

By the way, Griff, have you ever considered an anger management course? Might help.
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September 21, 2015 1:35pm
Griff

😆
Do you know what 😆 is?
It is me laughing at a fuckwits dribbles.
I dont get angry I get fits of laughter at the stupidity of so many idiots that it keeps me coming back for more

Go out side tonight
Look at a few gardens.
you will find these little points of light.
So common we dont even notice them.
guess what they are ?
Solar power so cheap and reliable they are practically worthless.
Then do a little research on why we have a electric grid.
As you are a thicko I will explain.
It was first used for light. Even in NZ the grid was installed to provide light first.
In the back blocks of India solar power is already supplying cheap light and charging phones to connect to the world
The grid is expensive for a rural costumer it is already cheaper to generate your own power using solar than it is to hook up to the grid. The third world has bypassed copper phones lines and gone direct to cellular .They will do the same with electricity.
That is why one of the reasons why I consider you a proven coal fired idiot.
one of many.
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And 😆
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September 21, 2015 1:50pm
Fletch

Chris Lynch (who I have never listened to) makes some good points about what Twitter is now –

Frustrated citizen commentators are flocking to the public platform, but whether Twitter adds value to national conversation is another story.

Twitter is becoming the comfort food for the socially awkward, the echo chamber for the politically pissed off, and the psychologically needy. The intense human emotion of reassurance has driven serial tweeters to seek familiarity off like-minded souls.

Facebook’s more inclusive. Its platform extends to real life friends and family members, making it a more sincere experience. However, Twitter is a vehicle for the overly-aggrieved and easily offended to share their grievances with other aggrieved.

In her book, The Silencing, how the left is killing free speech, Author Kirsten Powers outlines how the far left operate. “Liberals are supposed to believe in diversity, which should include diversity of thought and belief. Instead, an alarming level of intolerance emanates from the left side of the political spectrum toward people who express views that don’t hew to the ‘settled’ liberal worldview.” The passion for silencing isn’t just reserved for right wing politics though. Anyone who doesn’t share the far left’s views is publicly demonised.”

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/chris-lynch-silence-of-the-online-echo-chamber/
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September 21, 2015 2:11pm
Griff

far left
Liberals are supposed to believe in……..

Yip fetch liberal means far left authoritarian.

in the minds of a few deluded whackos who are easily confused .
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement

Disclosure Statement

Political Views

I self identify as a classical liberal, which the Institute for Liberal Values of New Zealand succinctly summarises as a belief in individual rights, limited government, private property, free markets, tolerance, and reason.
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September 21, 2015 2:19pm
Odakyu-sen

Griff

Quoting the Institute for Liberal Values, “a belief in individual rights, limited government, private property, free markets, tolerance, and reason”

Sounds like the ACT Party? If so, then only a tiny minority of voters endorse these views.

The trouble with wanting “free markets” is that it doesn’t work when the other side won’t play ball. (The same applies to “tolerance” (a very Western construct).

As you know, you cannot have liberty (freedom) without morality (self-regulated responsibility). For a similar reason, democracy will fail if a population decides to vote themselves free stuff. (Hello Greece!)
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September 21, 2015 3:06pm
AgentBallSack

Seems you can’t even go out for an innocent days filming these days without tripping over a terrorist.
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September 21, 2015 3:19pm
wikiriwhis business

Trump did not steal your money.
Trump did not raise your taxes.
Trump did not quadruple the price of food.
Trump is not stirring a race war.
Trump did not leave any US soldiers in Benghazi to be slaughtered and desecrated by Muslims.
Trump did not send the US Navy to fight for Syrian Al-Qaeda.
Trump did not arm ISIS and systematically exterminate Christians throughout the Middle East.
Trump did not betray Israel.
Trump did not provide financing and technology to Iran’s nuclear weapons program.
Trump did not give our military secrets to China.
Trump did not remove our nuclear missile shield in Poland at the behest of Russia.
Trump did not shrivel our military and betray our veterans.
Trump did not cripple our economy.
Trump did not increase our debt to 20 trillion dollars.
Trump did not ruin our credit. Twice.
Trump did not double African American unemployment.
Trump did not increase welfare to a record level for eight years.
Trump did not sign a law making it legal to execute and imprison Americans.
Trump did not set free all of terrorists in Guantanamo bay.
Trump did not steal your rights, violate US Constitutional law, or commit treason, hundreds of times.
Trump is being ripped apart in the news, nonstop. Barrack Hussein, Hillary Clinton and the criminals occupying our government are not.

Trump is not a politician, which is exactly why America needs him
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September 21, 2015 3:34pm
Griff

That is DPF’s sociopolitical hence this blogs position as classic liberal .

I also self identify as a classic liberal.

This blog is a liberal blog hence its tolerance for those who are not and its transparent moderation policy’s unlike any other political blog in this country .
I might be silly due to their denial of climate change but….. I vote for New Zealand truly liberal party as the lest bad option available.
ACT.
I believe that national has to much influence by religo conservatives in its back room power structures for me to support them.
Interesting the National party of New Zealand arose out of the meeting of a liberal party and a rural party .
The only time I have not voted for ACT was when a conservative was its leader. Banks.
Yes the light hand of regulation is needed not a purely free market that leaves us open for exploitation by those that place personal profit above the common good.
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September 21, 2015 3:37pm
Chuck Bird

Good to see Oz not to be put down.
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September 21, 2015 3:39pm
stephieboy

wiki, an incredibly naive and simplistic view of the new Great Helmsman !
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September 21, 2015 3:41pm
wikiriwhis business

George H-W Bush visiting Monsanto
George H-W Bush Meets with Monsanto Rare 1986 Clip

The corruption goes further back than most realize!

Nine years before soy beans were being sold.

To eliminate health laws which were Monsanto’s major hurdles.

https://www.facebook.com/MarchAgainstMonstanto/videos/vb.566004240084767/1083690501649469/?type=2&theater
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September 21, 2015 4:05pm
wikiriwhis business

“wiki, an incredibly naive and simplistic view of the new Great Helmsman !”

True but not untrue
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September 21, 2015 4:06pm
kowtow

Quoting the “classic liberal”

“like a good little Catholic nutwhack.
Then explain why we should not lock you nuts up …..hannibal lecter.”

Sounds liberally “nutwhacked ” to me.
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September 21, 2015 4:15pm
Ross12

A sign of things to come for Fonterra ?

http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/dbd97140/yili-s-oceania-dairy-sets-minimum-2015-16-milk-payout-at-4-50-kgms-a-premium-to-fonterra-forecast.html
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September 21, 2015 4:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just another day in Paradise
http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/video/article/?id=43158
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September 21, 2015 4:31pm
stephieboy

wiikianothet obvious thing is that Trump has never had the capability to make an executive order on your highly debatable and dubious points e.g, steal your money Benghazi, arming ISIS, stir a race war , cripple our economy etc. The stuff of conspiracy theorists like you and Alex Jones !
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September 21, 2015 4:40pm
Griff

Gee kow tow
I am all for liberal ideals but cannibals eating human flesh are not part of that acceptable behavior.
So again explain why being an admitted cannibal you should be allowed to be among the public not locked up in a secure ward to keep your primitive appetites away from us normal people?
I would be happy to hear that you are not an actual catholic so dont believe that the eucharist is actually human flesh.
Without such assurance I am forced to believe that you are as much of a threat to humanity as Muslims are.
At lest they dont think they eat dead people every Sunday that their priest made with some voodoo chants.
Religion is ultimately a stupid primitive belief in magic.
Your cult is probably the most primitive sect within a very primitive belief system.
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September 21, 2015 4:41pm
nasska

Griff

Religious historians naturally drag shoals of red herrings across any debate about the facts behind the fiction of the novel ‘The Da Vinci Code’. These usually revolve around when Constantine actually drank the Koolaid & converted to Christianity.

However….time for the theists to give the dolphin another gallop:

….””Historians still marvel at the brilliance with which Emperor Constantine converted the sun-worshipping pagans to Christianity. By fusing pagan symbols, dates, and rituals into the growing Christian tradition, he created a kind of hybrid religion that was acceptable to both parties.’

‘Transmogrification,’ Langdon said. ‘The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual—the miter, the altar, the doxology, and the communion, the act of ‘God-eating’—were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions.’ “……
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September 21, 2015 4:56pm
Griff

Yes we already had the pagan thing with the claim by a zombie muncher that our holidays are christian.
Not one of them actually is a christian holy day of worship
Easter bunnys, eggs, Santa, Christmas trees and giving gifts are pagan rituals that we celebrate these so called Christian holidays with.
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September 21, 2015 5:04pm
nasska

Those are touched on too Griff:

….” Teabing groaned. ‘Don’t get a symbologist started on Christian icons. Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras—called the Son of God and the Light of the World—was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity’s weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans.’

‘What do you mean?’

‘Originally,’ Langdon said, ‘Christianity honored the Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but Constantine shifted it to coincide with the pagan’s veneration day of the sun.’ He paused, grinning. ‘To this day, most churchgoers attend services on Sunday morning with no idea that they are there on account of the pagan sun god’s weekly tribute—Sunday,” from pages 232-233 of the Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, “…..
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September 21, 2015 5:08pm
DJP6-25

wikiriwhis business 3:34 pm. Nailed it!
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September 21, 2015 5:14pm
SPC

Zombie mind at work.

We don’t like Moslems, we don’t like Obama, Obama’s a Moslem.
We are American, and Christian, they’re Moslem and Un-American.

A generation earlier.

We don’t like commies, we don’t like liberals, liberals are commies.
We are American, and Christian, they are commies and Un-American.
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September 21, 2015 5:18pm
SPC

nasska, while it is clear that the Jews who began the church were Sabbath day keepers themselves, Paul for one formed churches that gathered on Sundays (whereas churches consisting more of Jews alone remained Sabbath day keeping).

https://www.google.co.nz/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBNZ423NZ423&q=Paul+churches+gathered+on+Sundays

For Jews, Sabbath day keeping was a sign of faith in a Creator God, for Christians the faith in a Creator God was associated with belief in resurrection from death.
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September 21, 2015 5:23pm
Lucia Maria

The ignorance on display here about Catholicism and Christianity (the latter being being the subset of the former) is profoundly painful. However, for me, it’s gotten to the point where refuting it serves very little purpose except to further inflame conversation. Anyone interested should google my name and this blog and whatever topic they’re interested in with regards to Catholicism. And ignore Griff and anyone who thinks the Da vinci Code is more than just someone’s rampant imagination gone wild.
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September 21, 2015 5:33pm
stephieboy

DJP6-25 , wiki nailed what exactly ?
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September 21, 2015 5:36pm
Reid

This is interesting. Guy pretends to be blind and walks round with a genuine winning $500 lottery ticket asking different people to confirm if he’s won the prize. Video shows a couple of well off people who pocket it and walk away and a couple of poor people who tell him the truth. Easy to fake and maybe it is, but does it ring true or not? Maybe yes and maybe no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6WGdDoTVoo
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September 21, 2015 5:40pm
SPC

Re son of god eating

1. the son of God royal body, and calling God father.
Psalm 2 refers to King David wondering if God saw a son on the throne of the covenant nation – originally God was their king.

2. the commoner exalted to claim their God given birth-right – dominion on earth
The end of the era of the king and imperial beasts of the earth is coming

3. the body of their Rabbi was his teaching work

4. the blood was the royal authority example displayed while teaching

5. in combination developing Christ consciousness, living a more perfect life
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September 21, 2015 6:02pm
Left Right and Centre

When you take on a roaring southerly in Wellington, this happens . . .
5km run – first 2.5km running into it – 13’00”. The 2.5km back with a southerly blowing your arse along ? 9’48” – my all out redline pace.
Three t shirts into the gale – no t shirts after 3kms. I think the mp3 was on but who really knows.
And if you’re very lucky – the rain might even be at smoko.
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September 21, 2015 6:03pm
Longknives

“Anyone interested should google my name and this blog and whatever topic they’re interested in with regards to Catholicism”

No Thanks Lucia- I’m a Roman Catholic and I think you are a half-wit..
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September 21, 2015 6:15pm
Griff

The ignorance on display here about Catholicism and Christianity
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yeah right lucy
Its not magic is it.
Because its christian chanting that creates the human flesh.
Jesus was not a zombie just someone who died and then later walked around.
And you dont actually eat a mans flesh so its not cannibalism.
Its just the flesh of someone who died magically created that you eat.

To you it might not be the real Christianity to me looking on it definitely is one fuck of a whacked out belief system
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September 21, 2015 6:18pm
Lucia Maria

Longknives,

Then go ahead and explain to Griff why Jesus is not a zombie and we are not cannibals who might someday turn on the population and turn everyone into zombies.

I look forward to it.
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September 21, 2015 6:41pm
nasska

Griff

Although we are fortunate enough to have a freezer full of homekill I keep a weather eye on supermarket prices for meat. Good scotch filet is about $35Kg & mince is about $8 on special. You’d need an overdraft to buy a leg of hogget.

By good fortune a web search has revealed a cheap alternative source of protein. At https://www.catholicsupply.com/churchs/wine.html you can buy bulk boxes each containing 1000 communion wafers for only $11.65US.

Give your your local Catholic priest a small backhander to bless them & your days of worrying about what to put on the barbeque are over. 🙂
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September 21, 2015 7:01pm
mikenmild

I don’t think Jesus is a zombie. I doubt that there ever was such a person. Even if there was, he definitely was not divine; that is an impossibility.

And the real presence in the Eucharist is surely a cannibalistic rite.
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September 21, 2015 7:03pm
Viking2

“Put another way, (International Trade Minister Tim) Groser is expected to swallow the rat, rather than hold up the deal, and wear the flack at home by saying New Zealand couldn’t afford not to be part of the TPPA,” she said.

Oh great.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11516583

So they are going to shaft the farmers regardless.
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September 21, 2015 7:04pm
mikenmild

Any price for the communion wine, nasska, or is that too awful to contemplate? Tastes like blood.
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September 21, 2015 7:05pm
nasska

It’s a one stop shop Mike. For instance, Light Sweet Altar Wines (12% Alcohol by Volume) start at $61.60 for a case of 12 & there’s bulk discounts available. Not only that but:

….”These wines have enjoyed continuous ecclesiastical approbation by the Bishops of Fresno, California. All are prepared in full accordance with Canon Law.”…..

Don’t worry about the taste….you’ll have to imagine that it’s blood but think of the Holiness! 🙂
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September 21, 2015 7:13pm
Reid

Even if there was, he definitely was not divine; that is an impossibility.

There are many responses mm. One is:

How do you explain why He’s on everyone’s lips, 2000 years later, when no-one, but no-one, is as well known as He?

By any standard, this is true.

And you can’t explain it.

Even a puny human hero e.g. Churchill is a minnow, let alone Alexander, let alone Caeser, let alone…

Explain that mm.

Try not to just deny it, some of us do have 3 digit IQs and we’ll recognise your slimy tactics there, my slippery friend.
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September 21, 2015 7:27pm
Lucia Maria

The cat’s not happy. She’s already been molting and now it’s freezing again and too cold to go out. She’s alternating between destructo mode – ripping up the box that’s on the floor that carried last night’s takeaways home from the Chinese place, and looking interestingly outside – but running away whenever I open the door for her after she is hit by a blast of cold, damp air. And now the rain has started up again.
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September 21, 2015 7:27pm
Viking2

Oh Dear.
A fisking of our host.

Hunter turned hunted.

http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2015/09/farrar-lies-to-australians.html
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September 21, 2015 7:50pm
mandk

nasska @ 5.08 pm

Good grief! I thought you were smarter than that.

Citing the Da Vinci Code as your authority on theological matters is like citing David Irving as your authority on what happened in the holocaust.
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September 21, 2015 7:52pm
Griff

2000 years later, when no-one, but no-one, is as well known as He?
Mohammad same god different prophet.
The majority of Chinese dont believe in bejesus and probably have no idea about your belief system in general.
It is also amusing that you dont believe in the same bejesus as for instance lucy or your average ever day JW or church of the later day bejesus does.

3 digit IQs
gee reid half the world has a 3 digit IQ or better it doesn’t make you a rocket scientist…….
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September 21, 2015 7:53pm
nasska

mandk

….”Good grief! I thought you were smarter than that.”….

I can do ad hominems too but I’d rather you tell me where Dan Brown came off the rails.

Take your time.
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September 21, 2015 8:12pm
mikenmild

I’d be reluctant to consider Dan Brown as an authority on the development of Christianity, nasska.
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September 21, 2015 8:21pm
stigie

Things are a bit quiet tonight chaps…Does make a change though until Dad or Starbored appears !~
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September 21, 2015 8:35pm
nasska

…..”I’d be reluctant to consider Dan Brown as an authority on the development of Christianity”…..

Under normal circumstances I’d probably go along with you Mike.

Yet here we’re debating with people who think chants can turn bread into bodies & who get their instructions from burning shrubbery. Anything can happen. 🙂
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September 21, 2015 8:46pm
starboard

‘ello stiffy…
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September 21, 2015 8:46pm
starboard

..just woke up from me nana nap. Must be 30 deg today. Happy hour soon , Princess and I shall attend as per usual and I shall get extremely shitfaced. Bliss. What a fantastic place..might buy myself a condo and move over here.
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September 21, 2015 8:51pm
Nostradamus

starboard (3,203 comments) says:
September 21st, 2015 at 8:51 pm

… might buy myself a condo and move over here.

starboard (3,203 comments) says:
September 6th, 2015 at 6:48 pm

… I own a condo here

Hmmm…
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September 21, 2015 8:57pm
starboard

condo on samui..MY condos in Phuket , Rawai to be exact..geez you guys..doubting thomas much
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September 21, 2015 8:59pm
mikenmild

But it would be a bit inconvenient to be there all the time, starboard. Who will patrol the toilets in Hagley Park?
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September 21, 2015 9:00pm
Nostradamus

Ok, Starboard, so you meant to say “I might buy myself another condo”?

Perhaps you could rent one of them out to “Dirty Harry” when you’re not using it?
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September 21, 2015 9:00pm
nasska

Dad needs a holiday too. 🙂
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September 21, 2015 9:02pm
starboard

google @ the tree rawai..toodle pip x

silly billys..x
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September 21, 2015 9:02pm
stigie

“Who will patrol the toilets in Hagley Park”?

Dunno Milky, could suit Dad if Starboard was prepared to pay top dollar but then what an opportunity…?
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September 21, 2015 9:10pm
SPC

Communion is based on Jesus telling his disciples to remember him when they had their bread and wine together. Remembering the body of his teaching work and the royal authorirty as M ing
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September 21, 2015 9:21pm
SPC

Communion is based on Jesus telling his disciples to remember him when they had their bread and wine together. Remembering the body of his teaching work and belief in his royal authority teaching it.

In the church ceremony it became a symbol of Christian faith in his resurrection into the kingdom of God – because of the association with the risen bread rather than the unleavened bread of the journey from Egypt to the earthbound covenant nation.

The disciple and the baptised of the faith were supposed to be Christ-like and also call God father. As if they were a creation of God – akin to a new Adam.
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September 21, 2015 9:28pm
Scott Chris

Pathological Lying:

Defining characteristics of pathological lying include:

The stories told are usually dazzling or fantastical, but never breach the limits of plausibility, which is key to the pathological liar’s tact. The tales are not a manifestation of delusion or some broader type of psychosis; upon confrontation, the teller can admit them to be untrue, even if unwillingly.

The fabricative tendency is chronic; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure so much as it is an innate trait of the personality. There is some element of dyscontrol present.

A definitely internal, not an external, motive for the behavior can be discerned clinically: e.g., long-lasting extortion or habitual spousal battery might cause a person to lie repeatedly, without the lying being a pathological symptom.

The stories told tend toward presenting the liar favorably. The liar “decorates their own person” by telling stories that present them as the hero or the victim. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, as knowing or being related to many famous people, or as having great power, position, or wealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying
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September 21, 2015 9:37pm
Inandout

What on earth was Cameron trying to achieve by placing his appendage in a dead pig’s orifice, and would this folly as a youth now distance him from the pork loathing Muslims? One would sincerely hope so, as Muslims of the desert much prefer any available orifice of a breathing compliant camel.
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September 21, 2015 10:31pm
SPC

In the beginning Abel killed livestock and cooked them, and God was said to be more pleased with this than Cain using grain to make bread.

Then Cain supposedly killed Abel because of this. And received the mark of the (ruling king) beast.

Interpretation. Behind the veil of the myth of the religion.

Kings ruled over walled cities and had rule of the surrounding land on which grain was grown to feed the people under their reign, and kings had authority over the law which judged the lives of the people.

Kings sought to extend their rule to areas beyond the crop land to the area of more nomadic livestock farmers, who would sell their food to the city folk at a premium (living by bread alone was boring) but did not want to pay tax to the king. Not that the poor of the city could afford the meat that often, this was a staple of only the ruling elite – who claimed to rule over the poor on behalf of a god.

The poor on the earth could only imagine what the meat of the kings table tasted like compared to their bread.
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September 21, 2015 10:44pm
SPC

Inandout, was it 1984 when Cameron boasted that he would one day be first amongst equals, by joining to the body of a pig? It would been his first year at Oxford in 1984.

Maybe a British mockery of the Skull and Bones practice of expecting college initiates to make sexual confessions while in a coffin – maybe Cameron was the only virgin amongst them and he did this to have something to confess?
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September 21, 2015 10:52pm
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Closet homosexual :

A person who is either A: Someone who is gay or bisexual and afraid to show it in public or B: Gay and tries to hide it by calling other people gay to seem ‘cool’ (straight).

A: Scottchris had always been a closet homosexual, but was afraid to tell anyone close to him.

B: Closet homosexual who is being crushed by the notion that being gay is bad: Dude, your so gay. Stop being gay, you fag.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Closet+Homosexual&defid=1681973
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September 22, 2015 1:45am
Rachael Membery

Watch for Dotcom’s legal team asking for a stay in proceedings. I watched the news and saw a row of ‘lawyers’ how much does that cost for them just to sit there? I do not think that lack of available funds is the issue, despite that argument being used.
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