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stigie

It will be interesting if Starbored has gone to Bankok for 6 weeks….Do we see Filthy Harold ? Just askin !~
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September 1, 2015 5:53pm
nasska

You remember these lyrics stigie?

“One night in Bangkok and the world’s your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain’t free
You’ll find a God in every golden cloister
And if you’re lucky then the God’s a she
I can feel an angel sliding up to me”

“One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can’t be too careful with your company
I can feel the Devil walking next to me”

Good job starboard’s been around…..the temptation to stray off the straight & narrow will be overpowering. 🙂
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September 1, 2015 6:07pm
UglyTruth

Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence

…. As mentioned, Jimmy Wales is the president of Wikia, Inc.

Guess which company is marked as the registrant organization of all of the following domain names?

WikiLeaks.com
WikiLeaks.net
WikiLeaks.us
WikiLeaks.mobi
WikiLeaks.biz

That’s right — Wikia! Thanks to Wikia, Inc.’s chief operating officer, Michael Davis, all five of those WikiLeaks domains are registered to Wikia, Inc., which is ultimately presided over by its co-founder Jimmy Wales — the guy who says he has “absolutely nothing to do with WikiLeaks”. Also, Michael Davis used to sit on the board of trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, alongside Jimbo Wales.

http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-contradicts-the-rest-of-the-internet
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September 1, 2015 6:09pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly,

None of that is convincing of whatever it is supposed to be convincing of.

Having registered and owned a number of domains myself, I know that ownership lapses if you don’t keep up with it and pay for it.
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September 1, 2015 6:15pm
Reid

Lucia, you don’t even understand the extraordinary elementary fact that Ukraine is a US destabilsing operation, so why would anyone expect you to get the equally elementary facts about ISIS?

Besides, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that you’d change your mind even if you saw the original presidential authorisations?

Your mind is closed.

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
― Benjamin Franklin

“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won’t come in.”
― Isaac Asimov

“It does take great maturity to understand that the opinion we are arguing for is merely the hypothesis we favor, necessarily imperfect, probably transitory, which only very limited minds can declare to be a certainty or a truth.”
― Milan Kundera, Encounter

“A mind set in its ways is wasted. Don’t do it.”
― Eric Schmidt

“To be more precise about it, it is neither close nor open-mindedness but wisdom, discernment, and a pure heart that God wants.”
― Criss Jami, Killosophy
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September 1, 2015 6:36pm
graphite

What’s all this nonsense about today being the first day of spring?

Spring doesn’t follow a human-created calendar. Some years it arrives early, some years late. As for the dingbats on TV and elsewhere who declare “Spring officially starts today”, by whom is the “official” imprimatur bestowed. Is there an entry in the Gazette? Is the declaration made by a political leader or is it a vice-regal duty?

Funnily, I was watching a baseball game from Toronto in late June, and the announcer commented on the weather then added, “Of course, today being the first day of summer . . .”

So up there they have an “official” day, too, but wait for the solstice before calling it.

I’ll believe it’s spring in my part of Northland when I see a bit more blossom on the trees . . . and I reckon spring arrives in Southland at least a month after we get it.
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September 1, 2015 6:42pm
mikenmild

In the UK, at least, they reckon that spring moves about 16 miles per day.
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September 1, 2015 6:49pm
EAD

Lucia,

if you understand history to be a battle between goodies and baddies, country vs. country then you are lost before you have even started. If you turn off the idiot box, read widely and understand history as a battle to control and dominate others by issuing their currency, then you might “get it”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4
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September 1, 2015 6:49pm
AgentBallSack

starboard if your date doesnt arrive but she wants you to carry her suitcase to the next destination, don’t fucking do it mate.
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September 1, 2015 6:50pm
Reid

The naked truth is always better than the best dressed lie

I awoke, only to see the rest of the world is still asleep – Leonardi Da Vinci

Once you awake it’s hard to go back to sheep.

I am:
Labour
National
Awake

Voting: the slave’s suggestion box. Choosing masters every few years doesn’t make you free.

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. – Ephesians 5.11

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle

(I can entertain e.g. Ukraine is Russia’s fault, Syria came from a people’s uprising against Assad, 911 really did involve 11 hijackers flying planes into buildings which collapsed as a result, etc etc. But hardly any of you can entertain the opposite without accepting it, can you. Instead you reject it outright, with no consideration whatsoever, don’t you.)

Ignorance is the single greatest tool of oppression.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. Do you see? Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet. Peace based on a lie. We’re all puppets. I’m just a puppet who can see the strings. There is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished. From then on I knew… God doesn’t make the world this way. We do. — Watchmen
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September 1, 2015 6:53pm
mikenmild

read widely and understand history

You should follow your own advice, EAD.
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September 1, 2015 6:56pm
nasska

It was like a scene out of Crocodile Dundee on Starboard’s wedding night.

“Call that a penis?” said his Thai bride.
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September 1, 2015 6:56pm
mikenmild

Oh, I can entertain your theories, Reid. In fact, they entertain me.
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September 1, 2015 6:59pm
EAD

“The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.”
Otto von Bismark

“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
Napoleon Bonaparte

From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.
Winston Churchill

No doubt Mikey would regard Bismark, Napolean and Churchill as “conspiracy nuts” or whatever the latest shut down the debate word is.
DO NOT PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER FOLKS.
DO NOT THINK INDEPENDENTLY.
DO NOT DRAW ON THE GREAT FIGURES OF HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND THE PRESENT.
GO BACK TO SLEEP
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September 1, 2015 7:03pm
Fletch

A meme going around the internet at the moment with a quote attributed to Dr Ben Carson answering a heckler –

Atheist called Ben Carson a “moron” for believing in God.

His response –

“I believe I came from God and you believe you came from a monkey. You’ve convinced me you’re right”

😆

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/ben-carson-called-moron-for-his-faith-then-this-happened
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September 1, 2015 7:07pm
mikenmild

That would be funny, Fletch, if atheism was anything to do with evolution.
Or if evolution implied that humans descended from monkeys.
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September 1, 2015 7:10pm
Fletch

It’s still funny 😉
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September 1, 2015 7:11pm
Griff

How to be a conspiracy nutwhack .

DO NOT PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER FOLKS. But instead add two and two to make six million two hundred and ten
DO NOT THINK INDEPENDENTLY. Get your world view from lunatic blog sites
DO NOT DRAW ON THE GREAT FIGURES OF HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND THE PRESENT. Instead misconstrue what they were saying and ignore the background to their world view.
Dont GO BACK TO SLEEP Stay up worrying about your imaginary fears all night so you get that wired feeling .
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September 1, 2015 7:13pm
Reid

God is not a reality to be explained; He is the explanation of reality. — Contentions, Dr. Timothy Winters
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September 1, 2015 7:16pm
Griff

Yip fletch it is really funny how ignorant of realty you and god whackers are all right.
From your post I guess you are one of the nuts that dont even worry about the pseudo scince of intelligent design instead you are a full on genesis believing 6004 year old earth nut.
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September 1, 2015 7:18pm
Johnboy

Once you get back to 1.2 × 10−17 seconds after the big bang all you have left is GOD! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:21pm
Griff

You dont get to make exceptions for god like that its not logical.
Before the universe there was god leaves a valid question .
What was before god then who created pre god?
and so on.
The big bang sans god actually makes more sense when you apply Occam’s razor to the question.
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September 1, 2015 7:25pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2jsx890xgydu69u/Atheist%209.jpg?dl=0
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September 1, 2015 7:28pm
UglyTruth

None of that is convincing of whatever it is supposed to be convincing of.

Translation: this makes me look like total pillock so it can’t be true.
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September 1, 2015 7:30pm
Johnboy

It must be difficult being the most intelligent quantum physicist/sheep&beef farmer in Eke nasska! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:31pm
nasska

It was a challenge but then I decided to specialise in footrot & ticks JB. 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:34pm
Johnboy

It’s them wormholes that I’ve been doing my thesis on nasska.

I’m trying to unify them all together by threading a string through the bastards! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:37pm
nasska

You have a Doctrate in Theology coming your way JB. 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:41pm
Johnboy

Thank goodness for that nasska. Till I put my specs on I thought you said a “Castrate in Theology” ! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:44pm
Griff

http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
You can not string worm holes together john boy .
Take to long.
From our time Your string will take forever to get to the other side of the first one .

When they make the claim that black holes evaporate its bogus as that can only work for very small ones even according to Hawkins radiation theory.
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September 1, 2015 7:50pm
Johnboy

Course you can Griff. In Johnboys warped world he can can turn Lithium medication into Dilithium crystals and do any fucking thing he decides to do! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 7:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Lost wormhole
https://decryptedmatrix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Lost_Worm-hole.jpg
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September 1, 2015 7:58pm
Griff

Ah a fuzzy black hole then.
Your back
I take it that all the little bundles of fluff have dropped and are now bounding around your paddocks in virginal joy .
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September 1, 2015 7:59pm
Johnboy

Nice hole you have there Maggy! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:00pm
Johnboy

Surely you must have realised by now that I only enter white holes Griff? 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@JB
wasn’t Kea into string theory? Could use her lost thread to string your holes.
https://sheppeardnotes.wordpress.com/the-lost-thread/
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September 1, 2015 8:05pm
Johnboy

I went off Kea’s theory at this comment Maggy! 🙂

“5) the quest of Grothendieck and others for a universal cohomology”

Homo’s are bad enough but cohomo’s are a step to far! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kea could fly circles around all of us and still score a bullseye.
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September 1, 2015 8:10pm
Johnboy

A magpie did that to my washing today and yesterday and last week and the week before.

I sometimes wonder if Phil Ure really does send them over my washing line? 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:15pm
Fletch

You dont get to make exceptions for god like that its not logical.
Before the universe there was god leaves a valid question .
What was before god then who created pre god?,

God has always just existed. There was nothing before God.
The thing is that God also created Time. And we humans measure everything through Time, linearly. One event after the other.
But God lives outside of Time. Einstein reckoned Time started with the creation of the universe, as well. Space and Time are connected. I know it’s difficult to grasp – mind blowing stuff.
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September 1, 2015 8:17pm
Fletch

instead you are a full on genesis believing 6004 year old earth nut.

Nah, not me. I really don’t care how old the Earth is, but I’m suspecting it’s millions of years old.
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September 1, 2015 8:19pm
Reid

Public service announcement (cos I know Johnboy has some spare time):

The best doco on WWI you’ll ever see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxK-qR14pVg
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September 1, 2015 8:23pm
Johnboy

“God has always just existed.”

Dear dear dear Fletch!

What existed before your touching belief that “God has always just existed” existed? 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@JB

I’ve trained them just to deposit on hubby’s shirts.
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September 1, 2015 8:24pm
Johnboy

I’m an old man Reid! I don’t have that much spare time! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:25pm
Johnboy

As long as you wash hubby’s shirts Maggy! 🙂

(Like a good wee subservient wifey should of course) 🙂

Make sure you iron them properly too! 🙂
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September 1, 2015 8:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Make sure you iron them properly too!

I have ironed his shirts religiously since I was spinster of the Parish.
I have perfected the double crease on the arms and the uneven collars to a T.
I’ll not have other folks lusting after a well-turned out husband.
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September 1, 2015 8:38pm
rightoverlabour

I see the judiciary is once again siding withe feral filth. In the good old days if some piece of shit spat at cops they would take him round the back and teach him some manners. Now they testify against each other. http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/71655843/south-canterbury-cop-punched-spitting-youth-court-told
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September 1, 2015 9:13pm
cricko

Hey Ugly Truth

So you have kept your head down since I exposed you @ 1.54 today.

Why not just man up, be honest and conceed that…..

“Yep cricko, you have me fucked, I have no answers, I am just full of it and when confronted with a question
too hard for me, my only recourse is to ignore it and change the subject. ”

U T when I scratch your surface then we can all see that there is no one home.

Prove me wrong Ugly Truth.
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September 1, 2015 9:22pm
Jack5

Post 250… not bad, but by no means a record.
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September 1, 2015 9:37pm
cricko

rightoverlabour

what would you expect when the ‘judge’ is Raoul Neave.

http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/raoul-neave-asshole-of-week.html

This ‘judge’ is a disgrace.

Is there any “judge” in NZ whose judgements have been so perverse and is there any other ‘judge’
with more blood on his hands ?

They sent this incompetant wanker down south hoping that he wouldn’t fuck up too much else.
Didn’t work.

Pity hopeless ‘judges’ like this can’t be fired.
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September 1, 2015 10:03pm
SGA

Maggy Wassilieff at 8:38 pm

I have perfected the double crease on the arms and the uneven collars to a T.

Luxury. I dream of having someone iron my shirts, even like that.
(You’re spoiling him, you realise)
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September 1, 2015 10:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@SGA

Well it takes decades of slovenly negligence to acquire my housewifery skills.
http://www.manolith.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/03/burned-shirt.jpg
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September 1, 2015 10:12pm
SGA

@Maggy W
I assume he was wearing it at the time? What had he done? Or, perhaps, what hadn’t he done?
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September 1, 2015 10:13pm
cricko

Raoul Neave….appointed to the bench by…….guess who.

Michael fucking Cullen.

Michael Cullen, the pommie history professor who we would have been way better off in NZ if
he had stayed home and fucked up the UK

A very nasty little man.

“You lost, we won, eat that.”

“I’ve spent it all, ha ha ha.”

A true piece of shit who rose to his level of incompetence as Helen Clarks suckarse gofer.
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September 1, 2015 10:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@SGA
No violence in my marriage…… nagging used to work, but I think he’s going deaf…..
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September 1, 2015 10:21pm
SGA

Maggy Wassilieff at 10:21 pm

No violence in my marriage…… nagging used to work, but I think he’s going deaf…..

lol – cause and effect?
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September 1, 2015 10:24pm
cha

EAD, Ugly and Reid, off ya go fellas.

Forget the printing press. In readying for the rollout of Islamic State’s new money, goldsmiths and silver smelters have been toiling away.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-29/islamic-state-finds-gold-coins-are-a-steal-as-throwback-currency?cmpid=yhoo
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September 1, 2015 10:38pm
Manolo

Ouch! https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI&ei=OKjlVbmTK5OYmAGD4qL4AQ
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September 2, 2015 7:01am
Manolo

All these new Europeans want to reach the northern countries: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34113471

Thousands of people, many fleeing war and persecution, are trying to reach northern Europe to claim asylum. EU states are engaged in a flurry of diplomatic activity to find a solution.
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September 2, 2015 7:07am
UglyTruth

@cricko

For the third time, you fucking imbecile, “we do not abrogate”.

We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Surah 2:106

Ugly Truth

So, it’s your belief that some texts are abrogated and some are not, correct ?

But Ugly, the question 1. was, Did God bugger it up the first time in those instances that abrogation
does occur, what do you reckon ?

I see you make some effort to address question 2. on who makes the call but your explanation is equivocal and
frankly, meaningless.

And, don’t throw a hissy fit mate, but seeing you are unable to address question 1 maybe you could have a go at
this one.
ISIS maintain that they are devout muslims who follow the teachings of the koran, if you deny that they are the
true believers, then where, in your mind does their conduct conflict with the teachings of the koran ?

Not just Ugly Truth, I invite any other muslim apologists reading this to have a try and help him answering those questions.

(PS. Barrack Obama states that ISIS, or ISIL as he calls them are not true muslims but we all now know that Obama is a proven bald faced liar about so many things that his word cannot be trusted about anything.)

I believe that ISIS are true muslims and are following the teachings of the koran to the letter.
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September 2, 2015 7:29am
UglyTruth

But Ugly, the question 1. was

Really? where did you ask this question before your 1:54?
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