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September 19, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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igm

vto: The more one attempts to interpret your comments, the more one is definitely of the opinion you are as much a businessman as I am a socialist. You post untruths.
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September 19, 2015 11:18am
vto

igm I have not posted a single untruth.

Ford Anglia, my ideal set of structures for society would include what we have now, moderated to pull capitalism and neoliberalism back to those areas where it is useful (quite limited, for example Pike River and SCF brutally evidenced some of its limits), and further moderated to primarily ensure all members of the village are catered for and valued (not hated and pilloried. Note it is this aspect which is the most important imo, and where the intensity of my posts springs from. I cannot fathom the attitude of those that post here. The sheer number of these boofheads is what is preventing society’s ills from being repaired. Haters and ignorant wankers)

p.s. there is no secret to success – only three ways to get ahead – hard work, inheritance and luck. Usually some combo of the three.
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September 19, 2015 11:26am
RF

big bruv. I enjoy reading your comments about the ABs on their crusade to bring back the holly grail to us peasant folk. Pure gold.

The mad sports fans have built them up to be invincible and I fear for the reaction when the ABs return empty handed. I suspect public floggings will be the order of the day.

Keep those comments flowing….
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September 19, 2015 11:26am
UrbanNeocolonialist

It is a popular delusion of the left that it is possible to pay wages at whatever level is mandated by govt. That only works for monopolies like govt who have a near endless ability to tax. It doesn’t work when you are in an industry that has competition with lower cost suppliers. There are several hundred million electronics assembly and sewing jobs available at $1/hour. There are almost none at $100/hour. Reality is that high minimum wages kill jobs and punish low skilled workers – who find themselves priced out of the job market. Welfare is a minimum wage by stealth.

Southland is unable to attract kiwi staff because they have to compete with high benefit levels (the govt is competing for those non-workers), and also overcome resistance to the discomforts of relocation, isolation and colder climate. Those southland businesses would pay more if they could do so and still be profitable, but obviously can’t because it will kill their businesses just as we have witnessed countless times in NZ’s history when wages got too high to be internationally competitive (textiles, clothing, processed wood, various agricultural exports…). Immigrant labour thrives in these jobs – supporting themselves and their families when they move here, so we can see that the minimum wage set by welfare levels and govt is higher than it needs to be.

Other countries do dairy, other countries do tourism, we do not own monopolies on them and we cannot grow those industries if we can not be cost competitive internationally.
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September 19, 2015 11:30am
Reid

Anyone who runs for president of the United States must supervise the robbery and murder of innocent countries, promise to maintain the unjust slave system of the international bankers, and lie about everything that pertains to the safety of the American people, because there is no safety for anyone in these desperate times as long as Jewish controlled puppets continue to wreak havoc on the entire world.

Among the hundreds of delusional demagogues who have run for president over the years, the most pathetic scene I ever witnessed personally was in the 2012 race when a large crowd of white-haired retirees gathered at Sarasota airport to enthusiastically welcome Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachman, a pro-Israel shill who was later ridiculed for both her use of anti-depressants and her unflinching support for the international bankers who have deliberately sabotaged the American economy for more than a hundred years.

They loved her because she told them what they wanted to hear, and what she told them and what they wanted to hear was nothing but a garbled rant about American supremacy and the necessity to pay down the debt before any other money was ever spent. Some of us know now that the debt can never be paid off, which is the essence of the Jewish swindle of the whole world.

How could anybody with a brain have ever supported such a facile, drug-addled ignoramus as Bachman, who recently said the only way to avoid war with Iran is to bomb it? But it happens every election, with homicidal crazies urging war on the world to counter false flag threats that have been cynically engineered by the CIA and Mossad. Thanks to a war-mongering media run by the same money men who sell the weapons and commit the colossal crimes, Americans never learn.

But just as scary as the bizarre also-rans of history is the list of the people who have actually won presidential elections. Consider in recent years the immoral Bill Clinton, who gave America’s jobs away; George Bush the Younger, who was so dim-witted he had to be left out of the plot to wreck the World Trade Center lest through his stupidity he accidentally revealed the secret Jewish plan; and Barack Obama, who has no verifiable history at all except a suspicious trail of dead homosexual friends and a wife with a male physiognomy.

So I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised at the sudden emergence of megalomillionaire Donald Trump as the leader of this year’s pack…

And the sheeple go?

We get what we deserve and we deserve these people… Yes we do, yes we do, yes we can, yes we will, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes… And if that’s not going Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, then WTF is?

http://300spartans.com.au/news/kaminski/849944-fake-leaders-for-fake-people
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September 19, 2015 11:32am
igm

Aliog: There is nothing wrong with our economy if one adapts to suit the climate. It is unable to support the bludgers that are leeching off those paying the majority of taxes, and it appears to be getting worse, even in local government circles, and going by the latest Morgan Poll, National will need to address it radically.
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September 19, 2015 11:33am
Kimbo

@ kowtow

It’s the sense of identity that comes with it and the ability to have one powerful, unified source of expression that defines both the All Blacks and New Zealanders…”

The haka certainly does not speak for me.

Think about it, it was done as a party piece by a travelling footie team way back in the day and has since been ascribed every sort of myth building quality. Nonsense.

Hmm. Lot’s of truth, or at least what has gone before.

Up until 1987 the All Blacks’ haka (and they did a number of renditions besides Te Rauparaha’s Kamate) was more for ‘foreign’ consumption. It was readily performed first when NZ rugby teams went abroad, including the 1888-89 ‘Native’ team on their tour to Australia and Britain/Ireland, then in Australia in the 1890s and then, more famously, on the 1905-06 and 1924-25 tours to Britain and Ireland. But it was ‘tradition’ that a Maori had to lead it.

The 1928 team to South Africa also performed it (captain Maurice Brownlie led it – and the Springboks replied with a ‘faux’ Zulu chant in that series), but the absence of Maori in the team made it incongruous. Perhaps it was the predominance of Pakeha players from rural backgrounds who more readily rubbed shoulders with Maori (like Brownlie from the Hawkes Bay) that gave them the confidence to do so.

Later tours to South Africa – 1949, 1960 and even the first team that included Maori in 1970 did not perform the haka and it was only revived in 1976.

Also the 1935-36 tour of Britain did not perform it – and neither did the ill-fated 1972-73 (Keith Murdoch) team…or at least they didn’t until the last game in Britain…you know, that game against the Barbarians. They probably did it as a PR gesture, and given how bad their reputation was in Wales, it was likely the only cheer they got from the Cardiff Arms Park crowd all tour!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emJyEa4z2Ec

Looking at the abysmal way the honkies in the team performed it, they were no doubt still thinking about learning the steps when Phil Bennett side-stepped then in front of his own posts a few minutes later, and by the time the movement finished Gareth Edwards had scored that try!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbwSx-xw_NU

But other than the 1975 “Water Polo” test against Scotland at Eden Park, the haka was never performed at home…until the opening game of the 1987 World Cup against Italy (the one Kirwan ran through the Eyetie team to score another one of those tries). And it was Buck Shelford, at the prior prompting of his Bay of Plenty All Black team mate Hika Reid, who made the argument, “if we are going to do this, then let’s do it right”.

But I’m not sure I agree that in a culturally and socially young country like New Zealand, you can argue the exact purpose of the past are so readily precedent-setting when it comes to (to quote you) “myth building”.

I think big bruv has a point that Kiwis are sometimes culturally insecure and over-compensate…but that is something that has been observed of “frontier cultures” for centuries. As one of the last “white” societies to be formed in interaction/assimilation (or in some cases ‘obliteration’) of the indigenous people, it’s hardly surprising we pick stuff in a “plastic tiki” approach that takes on a life of its own, yet if you dig beneath the surface, it bears only a superficial connection with the past. And in the rest of his article Gregor Paul made that very point. But then in most “cultures” where “myths” prevail, they are usually more “caught than taught”. and it is only the custodians and/or “experts” who bother with the details. Most ordinary folks absorb it by a form of cultural osmosis.

Put it this way – the haka has more connection with our national identity (whatever that is) than singing the old Negro spiritual “Swing low, sweet chariot…” to cheer on the home team at Twickenham! But then as big bruv would no doubt point out, rugby in England is still a comparatively ‘minor’ sport…
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September 19, 2015 11:36am
mikenmild

Barack Obama, who has no verifiable history at all except a suspicious trail of dead homosexual friends and a wife with a male physiognomy.

Ha ha, Reid. That was one of Redbaiter’s staples: Michelle Obama is actually a man! Nice to have the crazy back.
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September 19, 2015 11:38am
mikenmild

What lie, Ugly? By the way, I still want to know if there is any conspiracy theory or piece of pseudoscience that you don’t believe.
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September 19, 2015 11:45am
UglyTruth

http://countdowntozerotime.com/2015/03/15/michelle-obama-acidentally-shows-her-penisagain-on-live-tv-pictures-more-proof-she-he-was-born-a-man/
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September 19, 2015 11:45am
UglyTruth

What lie, Ugly?

About the aliens, remember? You even apologised back then.
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September 19, 2015 11:47am
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

Hey, UT, does your presence on this this thread mean you have pulled the plug on this one:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/09/general_debate_5_september_2015.html#comments

…and the (genuine…and unanswered) questions I was continually pitching your way?

It’s just I hadn’t noticed you around anywhere else on kiwiblog recently…

Other regulars may wish to thank me for absorbing your efforts in an out-of-the-way spot 😉
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September 19, 2015 11:53am
UglyTruth

Which unanswered questions are relevant to the fact that Paul contradicted himself about his appointment as a apostle?
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September 19, 2015 11:54am
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

Blockquote>Which unanswered questions are relevant to the fact that Paul contradicted himself about him appointment as a apostle?

No, no, UT.

To quote the Apostle Paul, “all things are to be done decently and in order”.

Which means here: –

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/09/general_debate_5_september_2015.html#comments

…not here!

It is like herding cats!
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September 19, 2015 11:57am
AgentBallSack

Reid is Redbaiter. That’s why you never see them in the same room together. 🙂
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September 19, 2015 11:58am
Kiwi Dave

Jumbo @ 10.12: “a slave will never be paid a wage…”

Not quite true. IIRC, some pre-civil war slave owners paid slaves in factories because they found that money incentives were more productive and led to less sabotage of expensive machinery than coercion.
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September 19, 2015 12:00pm
UglyTruth

To quote the Apostle Paul, “all things are to be done decently and in order”.

The man was a liar and only the vain and the foolish have regard for his doctrine.
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September 19, 2015 12:00pm
Harriet

🙂 GOLD 🙂

“…..One of the first words Malcolm Turnbull heard after being named Australia’s 29th Prime Minister on Monday night was a four-letter expletive, not fit for publication, hurled by one of Tony Abbott’s junior staffers.

The story of Richard Dowdy’s spill night insult has already become legend in Coalition staffer circles.

Mr Dowdy has been a staffer for Mr Abbott since late 2009, when the Member for Warringah knifed Malcolm Turnbull for the Liberal Party leadership.

Multiple sources have told Fairfax Media of Mr Dowdy’s reaction to Mr Turnbull’s successful wresting back of the top job nearly six years later.

“He said, ‘Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm,’ and then Malcolm turned around and he yelled ‘you’re a c—‘.”

The incident occurred late on Monday night after Mr Turnbull left the Blue Room in Parliament’s Ministerial wing having delivered his first media conference as Prime Minister designate……”
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September 19, 2015 12:00pm
Tauhei Notts

Jack5 at 9.05.
That former rugby league player that Frog Recruitment selected for the Financial Markets Authority;
The head of Frog Recruitment croaked that they are taking the matter “very seriously”.
Kiro, the accused, has set up a new company called Phoenix Orik.
I imagine that that company will rise from the ashes and go backwards very quickly.
Well, what is Kiro spelled backwards?
I would love to know how much Frog Recruitment charged the FMA for that success story.
I get the impression that you get more bang for your buck by giving money to the IHC than paying fees to Frog Recruitment.
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September 19, 2015 12:03pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

To quote the Apostle Paul, “all things are to be done decently and in order”.

The man was a liar and only the vain and the foolish have regard for his doctrine.

So that means, as evidenced by your “unusual” approach to dialogue, when he counsels discipline, you are duty-bound to adopt chaos?

It explains a lot! 😉
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September 19, 2015 12:03pm
UglyTruth

So that means, as evidenced by your “unusual” approach to dialogue, when he counsels discipline, you are duty-bound to adopt chaos?

No, it means that I look for an alternative rationale, rather than joining the rank of fools.
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September 19, 2015 12:07pm
Harriet

“….To quote the Apostle Paul, “all things are to be done decently and in order”.

The man was a liar and only the vain and the foolish have regard for his doctrine….”

Hardly.

Frank Sinatra was a Catholic who was well versed in the recordings of Paul’s letters to the Corinthians. 😎
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September 19, 2015 12:08pm
UglyTruth

Hardly.

No, really. In Acts 22 Paul says that he was told to proceed to Damascus for instructions, but in Acts 26 he said that he was appointed as a witness and an apostle.
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September 19, 2015 12:13pm
Kimbo

@ Harriet

Hardly.

No, really. In Acts 22 Paul says that he was told to proceed to Damascus for instructions, but in Acts 26 he said that he was appointed as a witness and an apostle.

And now the $64,000 question: Is Harriet/Field Marshal going to bite?

My money’s on him being far too smart, even though he is a master of a good quip…
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September 19, 2015 12:20pm
mikenmild

Hi Ugly!

Thank you for introducing me to another batty webshite: http://countdowntozerotime.com/

Not only do they believe that Michelle Obama is a man, they also think the large hadron collider is a ‘star gate’, twerking is an occult practice, and Planet X woo. Great stuff!
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September 19, 2015 12:23pm
publicwatchdog

Remember the stated reasons for the establishment of the United Nations?

If the underpinning ‘Purposes and Principles’ were actually PRACTISED – would there be such an international refugee crisis happening now?

As New Zealand is currently a member of the UN Security Council – what steps are being taken to advocate, promote, implement and enforce the following underpinning ‘Purposes and Principles’ of the UN Charter?
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CHAPTER I: PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES

Article 1

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

Article 2

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.

The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.
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September 19, 2015 12:23pm
stigie

A new scroll wheel needed !~
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September 19, 2015 12:25pm
srylands

Penny instead of pasting press releases from the communist Jane Kelsey, you would better serve your cause by addressing even a fraction of the questions that have been put to you, and which you ignore.

I would venture that if folk here want to read communist press releases, they know where to find them.

EDIT: Or, worse, the UN charter. FFS.
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September 19, 2015 12:27pm
Kimbo

@ stigie

A new scroll wheel needed !~

Don’t blame me! I’ve done my best to keep some of it ‘quarantined’!
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September 19, 2015 12:29pm
UglyTruth

Thank you for introducing me to another batty webshite: http://countdowntozerotime.com/

Not only do they believe that Michelle Obama is a man, they also think the large hadron collider is a ‘star gate’, twerking is an occult practice, and Planet X woo. Great stuff!

And there’s that suspicious bulge in Michelle/Michael’s trousers again.
But clearly that’s too much woo for MM to cope with today.
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September 19, 2015 12:32pm
Reid

Not only do they believe that Michelle Obama is a man, they also think the large hadron collider is a ‘star gate’, twerking is an occult practice, and Planet X woo.

Whatever “Planet X woo” is.

Anyway, no different to this fantasy is it, mm.

https://www.labour.org.nz/policy-platform

BTW, you seem to have adopted Captain Bananas’ tactic of not worrying about the point under discussion but rather assessing the veracity of a cited site, which given your extraordinarily limited understanding, your extreme bias, your low IQ and your emotional hysteria, is rather a waste of time for all concerned, including you. Not that you’ll stop it, it’s just a waste of time for all concerned. Shame really, I had hoped Captain Bananas was the only one dumb enough to persist in that, along with stupidboy of course. But guess I was wrong. Never estimate the stupidity of some eh?
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September 19, 2015 12:32pm
waikatogirl

vto, I have read your comments and your replies to the many wise (but unwise) who tried to enlighten you.

You have about as much economic insight as a brick and therefore you’re not worth engaging in intelligent discussion with. If you are really running a company with a $10million turnover, I suggest you have work elsewhere to do rather than annoy KB’ers with your obvious crap.

Have a lovely day 😉
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September 19, 2015 12:33pm
srylands

Fuck me. Is The Standard on strike today?
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September 19, 2015 12:36pm
UglyTruth

Remember the stated reasons for the establishment of the United Nations?

Peace by international law aka peace by state rule aka peace by force of arms.
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September 19, 2015 12:38pm
srylands

“vto, I have read your comments and your replies to the many wise (but unwise) who tried to enlighten you.

You have about as much economic insight as a brick and therefore you’re not worth engaging in intelligent discussion ”
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If this is the same vto who is a regular “The Standard” commentator, you are wasting your time engaging with him. He is to economics what “Ugly Truth” is to rationalism.
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September 19, 2015 12:39pm
stigie

@srylands…at least he wont get banned over here….?
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September 19, 2015 12:43pm
mikenmild

That’s interesting, Reid. It is quite clear from the range of nutty ideas that you and Ugly endorse that you think that sources don’t matter. So when you find some wild allegation in the far corner of the clogosphere, that’s great, so long as it fits your dimwitted world view.
Sources do matter. Webshites that promote conspiracies and pseudoscience are a waste of time.
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September 19, 2015 12:46pm
mandk

@ srylands

I don’t think The Standard is on strike, but it doesn’t look like it has many readers.

The site has attracted a total of 34 comments across 4 different posts today.

Open mike has had 15 comments since 6.00 am.
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September 19, 2015 1:00pm
waikatogirl

Gabby
Southland seeks 12000 workers. Would rather not pay them very much though. Will rent them half a room for far too much. Hey it’s the market.
***
Who says they aren’t going to be paid a decent wage?
Are there are some assumptions being made here by those who show their resentment of life and seem to hate employers!
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September 19, 2015 1:01pm
Reid

Sources do matter.

They only matter to dummies like you who are too stupid to think for yourself and therefore who’ve decided to surrender that complex and difficult task to someone who knows better, like an MSM sub-editor. As if those junior thirty-somethings know something you don’t about the world.

It hasn’t occurred to you dummies who do this that logically your position entails accepting every single possible thing on whatever sites you approve of, no matter how fucking stupid it is, has it.

No, of course it hasn’t, otherwise you wouldn’t do it.

Because just as its stupid to rule out a point under discussion by reference to a site that also contains other topics that have nothing whatsoever to do with said point, so it’s also equally stupid to rule something in using the same technique.

Isn’t it.

That’s why you’re a dummy. Because logic says so, not me, and you can’t deny it, can you.
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September 19, 2015 1:08pm
Sammy Seal

Hi All,
Have watched from the sidelines for 2 years with Kiwiblog, Whaleoil and to a lesser extent the Standard and decided to dip my toe in the water.
I have chosen Kiwiblog as my initiation for it’s ease of access and mostly rational comment.
Whaleoil I found tedious with the ads and donate to wait for and every time I peeked in the door at Standard I came away annoyed that they received a hit from me and needed my brain rinsed out with an episode of Southpark.
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September 19, 2015 1:13pm
Jack5

VTO posted at 9.36:

what caused unemployment? Capitalism? Or the dole?

There are a lot of folk who would rather be on the dole than employed if they can wangle it, VTO. They freeload on a system that justifiably helps those who lose their jobs because of changes of one type or another.

But for your more serious implication: that capitalism causes unemployment. That is old-time Marxism. To find some people still believe this in NZ, perhaps forlorn Trotskyists or Maoists or some such, is a surprise.

The prelude to capitalism was feudalism, which entailed serfdom or similar states. Capitalism has given the world a vast surge in living standards in a short time. It isn’t perfect but it sure in hell beats socialism. VTO, why do you think the Third World people are trying to crash into Europe and Australia and now New Zealand? Some of them, Muslim diehards, might despise capitalism, but they want to eat its fruit.

Were people dead keen to get into the socialist Soviet Union, Maoist China, or Pol Pot’s Cambodia?

FOOTNOTE: I’ve just read that VTO is a stray who has wandered in from the loathsome Standard. Sorry I’ve wasted my time replying to a Leftist bonehead.
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September 19, 2015 1:17pm
SGA

Maggy Wassilieff at 10:32 am

SGA
about that unemployment… (stuff about Southland deleted)

Not my point Maggy – for circumstances completely out of my control a few years ago, I could have had some difficulty staying in the work force (especially full time) for a while. I don’t think that I should have lost my right to vote as well.
My concern is that some, in their obsession to “get” those who abuse welfare, suggest things with unnecessary collateral damage.
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September 19, 2015 1:23pm
SGA

mikenmild at 12:23 pm

… twerking is an occult practice, …

If it’s not already, it should be. It would also explain the entity known as Miley Cyrus.
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September 19, 2015 1:35pm
Manolo

Some hope for Ginga Hughes, while The Rainbow branch of the Labour Party must be delighted: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240512/Obama-pick-Army-openly-gay-service-chief.html
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September 19, 2015 1:39pm
Longknives

Was that Mikenmild or Flipper I heard on Radio Sport this morning? Bleating that “The All Blacks will put 50 points on this English Team in the final!”…
Christ The All Blacks and their fans are unpleasantly arrogant..(and deluded)
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September 19, 2015 1:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@SGA 1:23

apologies for lumping you with vto, then.
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September 19, 2015 1:42pm
Manolo

The prophets of gloom and doom, the AGW mongers call on the Messiah:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/scientists-ask-obama-to-prosecute-global-warming-skeptics/#ixzz3m6i5gZfj

The science on global warming is settled, so settled that 20 climate scientists are asking President Barack Obama to prosecute people who disagree with them on the science behind man-made global warming.
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September 19, 2015 1:49pm
Longknives

Oh and re the Haka..
This Guy puts it nicely-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/11210139/All-Blacks-haka-is-for-all-its-vibrancy-as-a-spectacle-scarcely-more-than-a-circus-display-these-days.html

Oh and Gregor Paul claiming the old ‘The English don’t have any Culture’ argument is laughable and pathetic- For Christ’s sake they have one of the most influential and noteworthy Culture’s in History (Take a look around you people..)..
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September 19, 2015 1:50pm
Gabby

Who says they aren’t going to be paid a decent wage?

Well they appear to be voting with their feet. Supply & demand. We’ll not know unless the starting pay is increased will we?
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September 19, 2015 1:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Gabby

I know the info is from 2012… but nothing here to suggest that Southland is a low-wage economy
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/7189918/Southland-salary-ranking-a-surprise
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September 19, 2015 2:06pm
Inandout

Manolo : Obama is attempting to gayonise the military to scare the shit out of ISIS, and Muslims in general.
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September 19, 2015 2:07pm
Gabby

Southland may not be a low-wage economy, but clearly the pay on offer is too low. Otherwise more people would be beating a path there.
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September 19, 2015 2:19pm
Gabby

And if the figures are based on Seek’s numbers they’re hardly comprehensive. What’s more, they’re unfilled positions, i.e. they’re what people AREN’T earning.
AND it still comes out below the claimed national average.
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September 19, 2015 2:26pm
Kiwi Dave

Kimbo – apologies for getting your name wrong. iPad makes all sorts of ‘corrections’ if you don’t pay attention; this time it thought you were limbo.
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September 19, 2015 2:27pm
Kimbo

@ Kiwi Dave

…this time it thought you were limbo

Nope – that’s Fletch. He’s the faithful Catholic, whereas I’m the Protestant 😉
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September 19, 2015 2:54pm
kowtow

kimbo

your 1136 is very informative. Thanks for taking the time.
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September 19, 2015 2:57pm
stephieboy

President Obama complete remarks at 2015 White House Correspondents’ Dinner (C-SPAN)

Public speakers and toastmasters have a thing or two (and maybe more) to learn from U.S. President Barrack Obama in this 22 minute speech:
* He was confident, professional and charming (as usual), yet relaxed, funny and self-deprecating, often taking digs at himself and how others have made fun of him (middle name Hussein, praying 5 times a day, having aged, identifying as an American in 1961, etc.).
* He showed familiarity with current affairs and political situations, not only in the U.S. but also around the world, taking pot shots at his political opponents, news agencies (Fox, CNN, MSNBC), upcoming presidential elections, the Republicans, Koch brothers, anti-LGBTQ actions by the Indiana pizzeria and Santorum not wanting to attend any gay weddings etc.
* He was equally comfortable with popular culture/entertainment (Khalesee coming to Westero, drought-hit California becoming the set for Mad Max III), social media (Hillary Clinton’s private Instagram), and memes.
* He was able to express what he really thinks through an “anger interpreter”, without losing any composure or class. That was certainly a stroke of comedic genius! =)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM6d06ALBVA
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September 19, 2015 3:07pm
Tauhei Notts

Longknives at 1.42 about arrogant All Black fans.
I recall nearly four years ago offering a mate 19 points in for $100 if he would take those frog eating bastards.
“I would need 25 points in to take Alain Mafart’s heroes”, he replied.
8-7!!!
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September 19, 2015 3:09pm
Kimbo

@ Longknives

Oh and Gregor Paul claiming the old ‘The English don’t have any Culture’ argument is laughable and pathetic- For Christ’s sake they have one of the most influential and noteworthy Culture’s in History (Take a look around you people..)..

Hmm. You are usually more precise when it comes to picking your target (although I agree with your comment about the arrogance of Kiwi rugby fans)

What Gregor Paul actually went on to say was that when it came to picking a symbol that encapsulates English culture and connects it immediately and unmistakably to their rugby team…,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11515247

“But what is it that the English want in respect to the haka? What about it sparks within them an obvious feeling of inferiority?

It’s the sense of identity that comes with it and the ability to have one powerful, unified source of expression that defines both the All Blacks and New Zealanders.

Before every test, the All Blacks are afforded the better part of two minutes to make an emotional connection with the jersey they are wearing. What exactly the haka says about the All Blacks is open to interpretation but the point is that every player and every New Zealander will connect their heart to their brain during it and complete the paradigm.

England, in comparison, continue to grasp at a cultural void. They have no such certainty around who they are and can’t quite make sense of the near-schizophrenic cultural differences created by the class system.

Are they eggs, chips and beans and eight pints of lager in the Costa Brava, or tea and cucumber sandwiches on the front lawn of the Berkshire country retreat?

Some of the press have been trying to redefine English rugby as a game for the people, claim that the egregious days of the game being run by gin-soaked old boys are over.

Yet one paper ran a detailed graphic of where England’s 31-man squad were schooled. Or rather, the graphic was devoted to the 21 whose education was paid for, leaving the reader to assume that the other 10 who had been to their local comprehensive probably wouldn’t come to much and weren’t worth bothering about.

The picture has been equally confused in the coverage of the Labour Party’s new leader. The radically-left Jeremy Corbyn has been portrayed as a Vladimir Putin puppet, a red devil who will create a socialist state if elected.

The broadsheets have always had a right-wing slant but the vitriol for Corbyn appears to be more intense than it needs to be all because he enjoyed a comfortable and affluent upbringing but hasn’t been politically steered by it.

Culturally, England has no idea what it is so is in this vacuum that their sense of entitlement finds a way to thrive

…Has their sense of entitlement allowed them to believe that Wales is now part of England?
Matt Dawson’s Hakarena was inspired by his misguided conviction that he was entitled to mock a cultural ritual that is deeply significant to the people of New Zealand. The matter should really be left there – the conclusion reached that he’s a moron whose expensive education may have had gaping holes in it.

There’s nothing an over-privileged, under-talented showoff dislikes more than being ignored, which is exactly the reaction New Zealand should have collectively agreed.

New Zealanders can’t expect the rest of the world to adhere to unwritten protocols around what can and can’t done in regard to the haka.

Monkeys will see and monkeys will do so it will be re-enacted around the world and probably the worst offenders in this respect are offshore Kiwis…”

But personally, I’ve always really rated Matt Dawson (he scored a crucial solo-try that helped the 1997 Lions win the series in South Africa, was really gutsy leading a poorly-selected England team in Australia and New Zealand in 1998, had the guts to call Graham Henry out over some nonsense on the 2001 Lions tour of Australia and he won Celebrity Master Chef in the UK. That to me makes him a clever, and multi-talented guy.

So I’m prepared to agree Gregor Paul is over-thinking it, and it was just a good piss-take. But then again, as a Scotsman, like a lot of other nations he’s probably good at seeing through English attempts to package “others” into neat controllable packages…or in the case of Paul’s country of origin, shortbread tins with tartan on the lid.
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September 19, 2015 3:20pm
Kimbo

@ for big bruv, Longknives and Tauhei Notts

Proof that England, with a little help from a White Russian, can beat the All Blacks and comprehensively: –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XhAS_Bie00

As a result of Obolensky’s first try gassing the All Blacks on the outside, the cover defense over-committed themselves going for the corner flag the next time he got the ball. So like David Campese “running against the grain” for his try in the World Cup semi-final of 1991, Obo came off his wing, took the pass, turned the defense inside-out and scored in the opposite corner.

Genius.

Probably the most famous brace of tries in international rugby.

England 13 New Zealand 0 (and they were lucky to score nil!)
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September 19, 2015 3:41pm
Kimbo

…although this was a beauty too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJfvfx0titc

The scissors manufactured by French flanker Laurent Cabannes is the real piece of genius in a movement of sustained brilliance.

Apparently as they were both awaiting the conversion under the posts, the Welsh referee Derek Bevan turned to Sean Fitzpatrick and said, “That was a hell of a try!”

Fitzpatrick’s reply amounted to one word of only four letters 😉
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September 19, 2015 3:56pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/72216077/new-car-missing-after-elderly-man-beaten-in-his-auckland-home

My monies on a bro doin this..they seem to enjoy beating up the elderly on a regular basis.
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September 19, 2015 4:26pm
Awww C-mon

@starboar, I want to down tick you for bigoted racial stereotyping but fear you a right this time.

#brokenclock
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September 19, 2015 4:51pm
starboard

9.95 times out of 10 Im on the button
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September 19, 2015 5:02pm
SGA

@Kimbo
to add a grim coda –
On 29 March 1940, a day after being recalled to the England squad to play Wales, Pilot Officer Obolensky was killed during training when his Hawker Hurricane Mark 1 overshot the runway on Martlesham Heath, Suffolk. His aircraft, reference number L1946, dropped into a ravine at the end of the runway during landing, breaking his neck. He was 24.
(Wikipedia)
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September 19, 2015 5:06pm
Longknives

Tauhei- I always remember watching a John Campbell hosted ‘preview’ of the 2011 RWC final. Campbell and a panel of ‘experts’ were predicting how much the All Blacks would win by. “This could be a massacre!” dribbled the excitible idiot Campbell (who has probably never played a game of footy in his life)
I can’t remember who the other panelists were but they were all picking the All Blacks by 30+..
All except David Campese, who was rubbished and scoffed at by the other panelists said he felt it would be tight the French could win..

History will show that France were a far superior side in that final and would have been deserving World Champions but were robbed by the most craven,terrified referee in International Rugby History.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo
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September 19, 2015 5:07pm
mikenmild

Get over it, Longknives, the All Blacks won then, and they’ll win this time too just to fuck you off.
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September 19, 2015 5:08pm
Awww C-mon

Starboar “9.95 times out of 10 Im on the button” edit “9.95 times out of 10 Im on crack” fixed

Longknives “History will show that France were a far superior side in that final and would have been deserving World Champions but were robbed by the most craven,terrified referee in International Rugby History”

You are one dumb MF if you truly think that, most your points today have been bang on about the arrogance of the media and NZ fans, then you say something like that and lose all credibility becoming another BB
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September 19, 2015 5:14pm
SGA

mikenmild at 5:08 pm

Get over it, Longknives, the All Blacks won then, and they’ll win this time too just to fuck you off.

“C’mon guys, just 5 minutes to play, dig deep, remember we’re doing this to fuck off Longknives”
“Yeah Richie, let’s get the bastards”
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September 19, 2015 5:18pm
mikenmild

Oh, they’ll want to piss off big bruv as well.
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September 19, 2015 5:33pm
mikenmild

I’m a bit amazed that no one has mentioned international talk like a pirate day. Avast there, ye swabs!
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September 19, 2015 5:44pm
Keeping Stock

To be fair, there are some pretty good tries in this collection:

https://youtu.be/iv51-lfDu9w
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September 19, 2015 6:05pm
UglyTruth

If this is the same vto who is a regular “The Standard” commentator, you are wasting your time engaging with him. He is to economics what “Ugly Truth” is to rationalism.

Tell me how it’s rational to participate in a political system which has divorced itself from it’s mandate to govern.

But no, faith in the state is much more civilized, eh srylands? Nobody notices if you’re a complete fool with that game.
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September 19, 2015 6:08pm
Johnboy

One day the Marist Brothers will shout at the HOBM clubroom bar! 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:08pm
Johnboy

Shortly thereafter the second coming of the Lord will occur! 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:16pm
Keeping Stock

Tell me how it’s rational to participate in a political system which has divorced itself from it’s mandate to govern.

Did you miss the FACT that we had a democratic General Election last year UT, and the parties of the Left got annihilated? Democracy may not be perfect, but it beats the alternatives.
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September 19, 2015 6:17pm
Johnboy

Jesus will have God’s visa card! 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:17pm
mikenmild

I’m pretty sure that all the Marist Brothers are dead by now, Johnboy
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September 19, 2015 6:19pm
mikenmild

Thanks for those tries, KS. I’ll always remember Mourie’s one at the Arms Park for the Welsh centenary. The score was quite a blow out for those days. That one of Cullen’s against Scotland was pretty good, too
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September 19, 2015 6:24pm
Longknives

“Get over it, Longknives, the All Blacks won”

Yet you one-eyed, moronic All Black fans have been crying like little bitches about Wayne Barnes for the last eight years..And howling to anyone who will listen about Suzy the Waitress from ’95..
All Black fans are truly pathetic.
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September 19, 2015 6:26pm
Keeping Stock

Here’s Vol 2 Mikenmild:

https://youtu.be/xUW40Czuu5Q

There are some great memories amongst those.
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September 19, 2015 6:27pm
mikenmild

[channeling big bruv] You realise, KS, that most of those tries were allowed by biased referees in awe of the cheating All Blacks?
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September 19, 2015 6:31pm
Longknives

Did you actually open your eyes and watch the vid I posted Mikenmild? How do you explain the Kaino thing?? That is quite simply the worst refereeing I have seen in over 30 years of watching rugby..
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September 19, 2015 6:34pm
dad4justice

“All Black fans are truly pathetic.”

You need a severe rucking you wanker.
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September 19, 2015 6:35pm
mikenmild

You should get another hobby, Longknives. Something you can be enthusiastic about. Something to look forward to. Had you thought about a craft? Tapestry, perhaps?
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September 19, 2015 6:39pm
Johnboy

“Had you thought about a craft? Tapestry, perhaps?”

Buying drinks for Marist Brothers perhaps? 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:42pm
dad4justice

Johnboy, you would need to be a billionaire to quench the thirst of the Marist Brothers 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:45pm
Johnboy

You have knowledge of their Priestly desires then dad….Tell us more old chap! 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:49pm
mikenmild

I seem to recall another commenter mentioning that D4J attended one of those infamous buggery colleges.
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September 19, 2015 6:51pm
dad4justice

I went to same college as Fats Brownlee, Damion O’Cotton, Peter Dumb, Clayton Shortcock and Sid Vicious.
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September 19, 2015 6:53pm
Johnboy

Surely dad has never bent over to pick up the soap at the HOBM clubroom showers Milkey? 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:53pm
mikenmild

I don’t think the likes of D4J would be welcome round the Hutt Rec or Bellevue, Johnboy. Would you welcome him to Wainui?
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September 19, 2015 6:55pm
Johnboy

Anyway Milkey… How could those bastards at the PSA recommend Waghorn for the CTU job when you were obviously the prime contender? 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:57pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

Surely dad has never bent over to pick up the soap at the HOBM clubroom showers Milkey

You may be technically correct, Johnboy, but what about Hagley Park?
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September 19, 2015 6:59pm
Johnboy

As a target at the “Flying Jugs” dad would always be welcome Milkey! 🙂
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September 19, 2015 6:59pm
mikenmild

Well Johnboy, maybe not being a PSA member for about twenty years counted against me – biased bastards. Vomiting during the interview probably didn’t help, either.
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September 19, 2015 6:59pm
dad4justice

Oh gawd the trapdoor spider has crawled out from its dark nest. Talk about an obsession.
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September 19, 2015 7:01pm
Nostradamus

I can use nicknames too – Mad Dad suits you!
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September 19, 2015 7:03pm
dad4justice

Your pathological fixation with me is mirrored by your deranged mate bb. Get treatment.
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