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Fletch

The host of TVNZ’s Breakfast show, Rawdon Christie is reading controversial book Into The River.
He said he thought it was good; however, he wouldn’t let his 12-year-old boy read it.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/-i-wouldn-t-let-my-12-year-old-boy-read-it-q10725.html?autoPlay=4484617982001
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September 15, 2015 2:58pm
Griff

It is a worry when conservatives like jackof want to behave a bunch of primitive nuts and ignore basic human rights like the Geneva convention.
Like kowtow complaining about human rights they ignore that liberals are the ones with power at lest in the civilized world .
They would be really pissed if liberals did actually start to act like the conservative extremists would without us.
#ban religion for instance.
There is nothing between jacks ideology and that of the isis besides minor differences in dogma.
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September 15, 2015 3:02pm
Don the Kiwi

mikenmild (15,580 comments) says:
September 15th, 2015 at 2:46 pm

Reports of New Zealand atrocities during the Second World War are pretty vague: this maybe reflects an understandable unwillingness for participants and witnesses to report the details.

You are very naive Mm. These things happen in warfare – I would guess you would not allow your skinny arse to be within a thousand miles of action.

My father personally witnessed at least two occasions in Italy when NZ troops shot defenseless, but traitorous combatants and civilians who has caused the death of kiwi troops through deception.

Shit happens in war – it is a dirty murderous business.
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September 15, 2015 3:03pm
Jack5

Stephieboy at 2.52: Butt out with your extensions to other posters’ posts then attacks on those extensions.

However, I am intrigued by your statement at 2.52:

I have the Blackwater security guards who were recently tried and convicted for murdering Iraq civilians during the 2003-8 Iraqi war.

Where are you keeping these Blackwater security guards, Stephieboy? Are you running some privately owned prison? If so, where?’

As for Milky’s 2.57 comment, “the military disagree with you.” Read the Mail story, Milky. Military people are speaking up on Blackman’s behalf.
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September 15, 2015 3:04pm
Jack5

~~Whiff~~Griff at 3.02 posted:

There is nothing between jacks ideology and that of the isis besides minor differences in dogma..

~~Whiff~~Griff, the difference is I wouldn’t throw you off the top of a building as a wasted pot head. I’d let you live.
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September 15, 2015 3:08pm
Jack5

Enough off throwing balls at Leftist clowns, see you later Lefties.
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September 15, 2015 3:11pm
Griff

😆
Back to the pot thing binge drinking alcoholic.
We have already done that three times.
Every time you come out looking like an arse .

Stupidity : Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different out come.

Murder
By law murder is the charge you get if you execute an unarmed prisoner on the battle field.
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September 15, 2015 3:15pm
Jack5

Got you ~~Whiff~~Griff!

Your quote at 3.15:

Stupidity : Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different out come.

You don’t have to smoke them one after another.

Bye for now.
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September 15, 2015 3:17pm
SPC

Re the smuggling of people into Greece from Turkey.

Clearly those taking the money do not want to go, so one of the refugees must drive the boat.

Why? Risk. One of capsizing and two of being arrested as a smuggler.
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September 15, 2015 3:18pm
Griff

Enough off throwing balls at Leftist clowns, see you later Lefties.

Bye for now.

I do so love a good flounce.
It reminds me of a preteen girl trying to score points and has the same effect
laughter.
It takes a “special” sort of person to do it and think its smart, impressive, intelligent or even sane .
Run along now child and get mummy to wipe your nose.
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September 15, 2015 3:22pm
stigie

‘You don’t have to smoke them one after another’.

And he thinks pot smokers smoke them one after another….Jesus wept. No fucking idea !!
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September 15, 2015 3:31pm
Griff

He thinks pot smokers behave like he does stigie.
Glug glug glug glug hic glug glug.
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September 15, 2015 3:37pm
stigie

I reckon there’s more than one *Hic* in that lot Griff… ?
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September 15, 2015 3:40pm
calendar girl

Inandout@ 1:42 – “I have seen some dumb and precious critiques of the ‘peak’ and was taking the piss with that quote.”

Thanks. Just didn’t read that into your comment.
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September 15, 2015 3:53pm
Manolo

Hungary says enough: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34252812

Hungary has brought in tough new migrant laws which it says will “start a new era” in preventing the inflow of illegal immigrants.

Police can now detain anyone who tries to breach a razor-wire fence built on the border with Serbia.
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September 15, 2015 4:06pm
publicwatchdog

Seems that the voting public in Hawke’s Bay HAVE overwhelmingly rejected the amalgamation proposal.

Excellent!

High time for some form of ‘cost-benefit’ analysis of the Auckland ‘Supercity’ – particularly Auckland Council (yeah right) Controlled Organisations (CCOs) – to find out for whom exactly this forced amalgamation has been ‘super’?

Penny Bright
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September 15, 2015 4:18pm
Manolo

For stephieboy’s enjoyment: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3234705/Trump-hammers-sanctuary-cities-crap-jokes-replacing-Obamacare-Donaldcare-women-CRY-20-000-enthralled-Texans-roar-90-minute-speech.html

Donald Trump spoke for 90 minutes to a crowd estimated at 20,000 on Monday night in Dallas, railing against ‘this sanctuary cities crap’ and joking that after he presided over the demise of Obamacare, the insurance scheme’s replacement might bear his name.

‘We’ve got a president who doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing!’ Trump trumpeted, later mocking President Barack Obama for claiming this year in his State of the Union address that ‘no challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.’

‘The biggest threat we have is nuclear global warming, not global warming,’ Trump quipped, referring to the potential for a nuclear arms race in the Middle East as a consequence of a deal Obama cut this summer with the belligerent Islamist nation of Iran.
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September 15, 2015 4:18pm
labrator

Only 445 spots left until Red Peak hits 50,000 signatures. Make sure sign now or show your disdain by downvoting this comment. On my bucket list is getting a ‘red’ comment on kiwiblog so you’ll make my day either way.
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September 15, 2015 4:24pm
RF

Don the Kiwi. 3.03pm.

In 1943 my father was with other Kiwi soldiers in the western desert advancing towards German positions. A German tank crew with their hands up approached them and after a quick search for weapons were told to keep walking to the rear. Later that day in the same area a few more Germans surrendered and unfortunately on this occasion were not searched properly. The Kiwis pushed forward leaving the Germans to walk back to the lines to be taken into captivity. Suddenly one of the Germans pulled a hidden pistol and opened fire. His shots missed but the Kiwis did not. None of the Germans lived. I suppose some would call this murder. I call it survival.
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September 15, 2015 4:30pm
kowtow

Polar bear propaganda alert.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11865256/Emaciated-polar-bear-pictures-raise-global-warming-concerns.html

At least after the Aylan kurdi fiasco more people are waking up to how shamelessly manipulative the MSM are.
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September 15, 2015 4:42pm
Inandout

Odakyu-sen: There are some subtle differences re Jazz/Fit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ8lUipjV1Q
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September 15, 2015 4:51pm
stigie

Jeez, they are very sad lot over at the Stranded. This from Anne because Josie Pagani’s view is somewhat different on Jeremy Corbyn to theirs….?

“As a long time member of the Labour Party I will seriously consider laying a formal complaint to the NZ Council about Ms Pagani. She is part of the right wing Dirty Political machine masquerading as a left commentator”.
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September 15, 2015 5:02pm
Nostradamus

Griff: Glug glug glug glug hic glug glug.

Stigie: I reckon there’s more than one *Hic* in that lot Griff… ?

That’s comedy gold!
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September 15, 2015 5:03pm
stephieboy

Jackie 5 at 3.04 , not sure of your point but one of the four was given life for murder and the other three 30 years each for manslaughter . Maybe you’d might like to join Blaxkwater and get assigned to murder say unarmed Syrian or Turkish civilians on a security detail,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/four-blackwater-guards-sentenced-in-iraq-shootings-of-31-unarmed-civilians/2015/ty detail,
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September 15, 2015 5:03pm
stephieboy

kowtow, you must know that in fact it’s Fox News that is the master of media manipulation ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hohIgioeb0E
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September 15, 2015 5:13pm
labrator

Only 185 signatures to 50,000, sign now for red peak, guaranteed to last longer than Colin Craig.
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September 15, 2015 5:14pm
nasska

Skoda cars used to last longer than Colin Craig! 🙂
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September 15, 2015 5:22pm
Nookin

I see you are thrilled about the outcome in Hawke’s Bay. No doubt you will be equally thrilled to know that the Prime Minister has been vindicated over the deletion of texts to Cameron Slater. Does that mean that you are going to apologise now?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72078230/john-key-cleared-over-deleted-cameron-slater-texts

publicwatchdog (4,519 comments) says:
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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September 15, 2015 5:24pm
Jack5

Re ~~Whiff~~Griff at 3.15:

What’s this ” binge drinking alcoholic”? I’m no dope-smoking girly man like you and your mates. “Binge” is for folk who only drink intermittently.

Enjoy life before schizophrenia, the bain of pot smokers, sets in, ~~Whiff~~Griff.

I think Milky and the Stephiebot are irredeemably Leftist, but I think there is a chance at this stage you could still come Right if you switched from marijuana to that low-alcohol light beer.

Question of the day: Can dope users blow smoke rings?
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September 15, 2015 5:25pm
Reid

If you want to start a war, the unwashed masses must be convinced to send their brothers, sons and fathers to die on the front lines. The specter of an external enemy must be etched into their collective mind through trauma, exaggeration and repetition. History must be whitewashed, twisted and cherry picked down to a politicized nursery rhyme. At no point should the real motives or consequences of such an endeavor be discussed.

Lest the sheeple awaken. Fat chance.

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvcq3OpX8qQ
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September 15, 2015 5:26pm
mikenmild

Nookin
It would seem that there was some confusion about the circumstances in which text messages should be regarded as significant and retained as part of the public record. Good to get that cleared up.
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September 15, 2015 5:28pm
labrator

The ACT Party helping hand in the petition to John Key, so I know everyone here will get in behind Red Peak and only 119 signatures needed for 50,000. Guaranteed to last longer than former Labour leaders on the backbench (that’s a long time).
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September 15, 2015 5:28pm
nasska

Jack5

Don’t worry about Griff….he’ll be okay but I can’t say the same for everyone who comments here:

http://alcoholrehab.com/alcoholism/alcohol-induced-persistent-dementia/
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September 15, 2015 5:31pm
wiseowl

What fantastic news.

NO to amalgamation in Hawkes Bay .
Foss , National and all the big money backers of a yes have been sent a big message.

Now Yule can resign.
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September 15, 2015 5:35pm
ex-golfer

A strong whiff of the unemployed on the main street of Wellington today – supposedly 20-30 people now think they speak for the whole nation. I do wonder where Lizzie Sullivan was when the FTA with China was negotiated?
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September 15, 2015 5:37pm
stigie

Your first step Jack5 what Nasska put up ole chap !~
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September 15, 2015 5:47pm
Griff

I drink
like I smoke pot occasionally, when appropriate and within reasonable limits. Whisky and coke has been my alcoholic beverage of choice for thirty years well before rtd’s or anything but beer was acceptable in this country.
As I am one of the few in this country or even on this blog who voted for ACT I dont need some half witted binge drinking conservative to teach me about Right wing politics.
Even better
I know Roger Douglas, As a child I went to the same school as he did, lived on the same street and even worked for him at one stage.
Many years ago when I first started voting I sat a first year economic paper just so I was informed about what I was voting for and could argue with some authority on the subject .
Right wing to me is an economic position.
I am also a social liberal.
This is a liberal both social and fiscal blog something many of you half witted conservatives forget.
social liberal/ social conservative is not the definition of left and right.
In fact you can be socially conservative communist.
Now why dont you grow up or do I have to play debate with the halfwit until he finally admits drink has higher cost to society than pot yet again.
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September 15, 2015 5:54pm
nasska

Facing up to it is the hardest part stigie. It’s truly amazing the way you can convince yourself that you can give up the piss anytime you like…..just not today.

Been there….done that!
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September 15, 2015 5:56pm
stigie

“Been there….done that”!

How is for you now Nasska, after all these years, is the temptation still there or as times gone by, been easier that you dont even worry about anymore. Never had the addiction so wouldn’t know ?
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September 15, 2015 6:06pm
Reid

To summarize the above I would say this: the AngloZionists are freaking out because their war against Syria has failed; while Daesh has created havoc and terror in several countries, there are many signs that the local countries are gradually becoming determined to do something. The US has also failed to get rid of Assad, the massive refugee crisis has triggered a major political crisis in Europe, and now the Europeans are looking at Assad in a dramatically different light than before. Russia has clearly decide to get politically involved with all the regional powers, effectively displacing the USA, and there are pretty good indications that the Russians are keeping their options open. And while there are absolutely no reasons to suspect that Russia is planning a major military intervention in the conflict in terms of quantity, there are signs that the Russian support has risen to a new qualitative level.

And yet many profound dummies still hallucinate that Syria is all about big bad meany Assad and the West isn’t involved in any way except to spwead democwacy. Like I said, profound dummies.

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

http://www.unz.com/tsaker/so-what-are-the-russians-really-doing-in-syria/
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September 15, 2015 6:11pm
nasska

It gets easier as time passes stigie…..much easier. You’ve just got to remember that you’re only dry….never cured.
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September 15, 2015 6:12pm
Griff

An addiction that is physical never goes away stigie.
Dont ask me how but I do know from experience.
It gets easier the longer you abstain but most former addicts will admit the risk of remission is always there like a shadow in the background .
Cannabis is not quite the same as the truly addictive drugs it is more of a habit than a full blown physical addiction.
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September 15, 2015 6:12pm
nasska

….”Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. “…..

Drop in next time you’re passing by Reid. A shot of Valbazen & we’ll have you as good as new. 🙂
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September 15, 2015 6:15pm
Reid

THIS WILL SHOCK YOU TO YOUR CORE: 9/11 From Cheney to Mossad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg7Qt4bV0B8

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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September 15, 2015 6:18pm
nasska

Okay….We’ll double the dose! 🙂
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September 15, 2015 6:21pm
stephieboy

Reid, pushing the stupidity envelope yet again !

Yawnnnnnnn….
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September 15, 2015 6:22pm
Reid

Every day, heterosexuals are immersed in a toxic bath of lesbianism, homosexuality, transgenderism, obscenity, pedophilia and promiscuity designed to enslave society. The goal is for heterosexuality to be seen as a pathology while homosexuality is healthy and normal.

Satanists invert everything, the real occult meaning of revolution.

The Illuminati social engineers attack heterosexuality because it is the basis of our human identity. Our primary relationships and responsibilities are defined by the words father, mother, husband, wife, sister, brother, son and daughter.

Strong heterosexual marriage and family create a wholesome environment to raise the next generation. If we want healthy families, men and women must consecrate themselves and plan for this task. Our children represent our organic growth, our tie with eternity.

Instead of this, heterosexuals are immersed in a toxic bath of lesbianism, homosexuality, transgenderism, obscenity, sexual deviance, pedophilia and promiscuity, designed to corrode and distort our sexuality.

“Progressive” young women march for the right to behave like “sluts.” Schools favor homosexuals for scholarships. Pop songs like Katy Perry’s “I Kissed a Girl (and I liked it!)” get four million paid downloads. Mainstream TV story lines feature gays and gay porn. Teachers encourage children to engage in sex, under the guise of sex education. Little girls are sexualized. Sesame Street had to fight off demands that two puppets. Bert and Ernie, serve as positive role models for gay marriage!

And the sheeple still go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Even though they can see the influences happening to their own children.

But they stand around helpless, observing it, recognising it, but not knowing what to do.

What do ya call that?

Personally, I call it fucken stooopid. Cos the answer’s out there, it’s just the parents think it’s fucking nuts, so they don’t even bother looking into that. Meanwhile, their children continue to be directed toward hell in a handcart, and their parents, their protectors, remain unwilling to look into the only thing that could avoid that outcome, because they think it’s “fucking nuts.”

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Conan Doyle

And if I were a parent, and observing the dynamics spoken of in that link, and aware that yes, this will affect my child, I’d be kicking arse and taking names like you wouldn’t believe, on the “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth” front and I, personally, wouldn’t stop until I found something that WAS the truth, in that, it explained the observable phenomena.

Would you like the link again?

No, of course not. It’s unpossible.

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Even when it’s their own kids involved.
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September 15, 2015 6:36pm
mikenmild

The Illuminati, eh?

Time to up the meds.
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September 15, 2015 6:40pm
stephieboy

Reid, your favourite Iluminati greeting signs ?

http://www.illuminatirex.com/illuminati-signs/
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September 15, 2015 6:42pm
stigie

Any chance of Reid changing it to something we understand like……

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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September 15, 2015 6:43pm
Fletch

A poll has found majority support for the current flag.

Two of the four designs short-listed by the Flag Consideration Panel have very little support, an online poll indicates.

The survey, by Aardwolf Research Consulting, also found majority support for the current flag, although there has been some weakening in its dominance.

By early afternoon Tuesday nearly 2500 people had taken part in the poll, with the current flag and four short-listed flags shown nearly 28,000 times. The current flag was chosen 60.3 per cent of those times.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72073128/poll-suggests-no-flag-change-two-shortlisted-designs-way-out-of-running
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September 15, 2015 6:44pm
Griff

He was confident his survey was a good indicator of support for the various designs

.’Any one who has even a basic understanding of polling knows that a self selected poll is as reliable as a 1970’s pommy car.
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September 15, 2015 6:51pm
Reid

A poll has found majority support for the current flag.

Of course it has.

Key’s flag debate is turning into a debacle. It’s not going to affect Key of course because he’s already calculated that out. The only thing that could is a severe economic downturn but Liarbore are so profoundly hopelessly they cannot under any combo of people offer better credibility even than Key|English so… nah.

Hence the flag kite flying exercise being given the go ahead, a year or two ago.

Upside? Could be a legacy movement if it takes hold and whenever anyone sees it flapping for next decade or so.

Downside? None really. $26m is explainable.

That was his calc, bet ya.

However, the way it’s been run, is moronic. And that’s going to come back on him bigtime in terms of public perception of his competency as a manager. I suspect it was the idiot Dunne’s or some other equivalent lightweight whose responsible for managing this debacle, but Key’s going to take responsibility for it in the minds of the sheeple. And it’s going to be very, very expensive. Because he’s stirred the emotions, and that always has leverage ramifications. And when that emotional leverage is applied to something like Key’s management abilities, it’s going to have far-reaching effects. It may even stop his fourth term – longest serving PM ambitions dead in its tracks. All for a stupid flag thing that was supposed to be just a minor giggle part of the Tremendous Key Legacy.
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September 15, 2015 6:57pm
Steve (North Shore)

Stigie,
Sheep go Baaaaaaaah
Goats go Maaaaaaaah.
So I was told by a senior on here by the name of Johnboy. Could be wrong but I’m sure he is the best to confirm
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September 15, 2015 7:16pm
nasska

The surveillance team concealed behind the camellia on Reid’s front lawn managed to get this shot of his new underpants.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qmdz3v6ok1x65z1/Sheep%2039.jpg?dl=0
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September 15, 2015 7:31pm
stigie

Until JB comes back we are none the wiser Steve. He hasn’t taken off to Thailand btw now that lambing is finished ?
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September 15, 2015 7:33pm
howitis

A good outcome for the Hawkes Bay today. No messed up destruction of democracy.

At least they could vote rather than have the dreadful Key/Hide crap cast upon them as we have had in Auckland. Even in Queensland they can vote to go back to sensible ways . Many of the former local authorities have voted to go ‘back to the world with a future’

If Turnbull thinks this is one of Keys great ideas – naffing over Auckland- then his Rhodes scholarship is not worth much.

Lawrence Yule must now resign all his public roles including LGNZ as he is seriously out of step with public thinking and cannot fairly represent the people. How much public money did he spend trying to give himself a ‘megacity’ to preside over?
GO NOW YULE.
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September 15, 2015 7:51pm
wiseowl

Yule definitely out of step in Hastings and the odd one out in Hawkes Bay.

We see again that Foss does not understand the role of local government.He says now the five councils can all work to make HB better.He missed the result.

They are there to carry out their roles under LG legislation and to provide services to the ratepayers .Better for Hawkes Bay if central and local government keep out of business and development.Let private business thrive with less rules and regulation.
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September 15, 2015 8:10pm
stigie

“It gets easier as time passes stigie…..much easier. You’ve just got to remember that you’re only dry….never cured”.

Who the fuck would downtick that….? Hang on….., some miserable lonely ugly wanker that would get his rocks off by going around starting fires thats who !~
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September 15, 2015 8:14pm
AgentBallSack

To tell you the truth Reid, I only come here for the Satanism and gay sex. Doesn’t everyone?
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September 15, 2015 8:30pm
publicwatchdog

“I have consistently said that it is up for communities to decide what they want local democracy to look like in their towns and cities,” Mrs Bennett says.

Really Paula?

Don’t remember you saying that when the forced Auckland ‘$UPERCITY’ (for the 1%) was being railroaded through Parliament in 2009 – by the John Key led National/ACT Coalition Government?

Penny Bright
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September 15, 2015 8:58pm
Nostradamus

When’s your next home open Penny?

Let the Kiwiblog community help you get top dollar!
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September 15, 2015 9:12pm
Awww C-mon

Nostra, there are those of us who fully support Penny’s mayoral aspirations and super city fight…

We sure as hell don’t want her moving to our towns!!
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September 15, 2015 9:14pm
starboard

“gay sex”

Say that 3 times and grottchris will appear..
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September 15, 2015 9:21pm
AgentBallSack

Actually Penny, I would think that the Supercity has benefited all home owners in Auckland, including yourself. Hardly 1% is it? Unless you belong to the 1% Ms Bright? Do you?
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September 15, 2015 9:23pm
Awww C-mon

Is that your version of a booty call Starboring?
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September 15, 2015 9:25pm
starboard

Hey you’d have to check that with ballsack , he mentioned it first.
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September 15, 2015 9:29pm
Awww C-mon

“Hey you’d have to check that with ballsack , he mentioned it first.”

So Agentballsack, do you think Starboring wants a booty call with scottchris?

There checked for you grandpa!
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September 15, 2015 9:41pm
Manolo

A seller of smoke turned social activist: http://www.mrctv.org/blog/pope-blames-refugee-crisis-god-money-socio-economic-system-bad-unjust#.gxwemj:9Lrb

“This is the tip of the iceberg. We see these refugees, these poor people who are escaping from war, escaping from hunger, but that’s the tip of the iceberg. But underlying that is the cause, and the cause is a socio-economic system that is bad, unjust, because within an economic system, within everything, within the world, speaking of the ecological problem, within the socio-economic society, in politics, the person always has to be the center. And today’s dominant economic system has removed the person from the center, and at the center is the god of money. It’s the fashionable god today. I mean, there are statistics. I don’t remember very well, but — this is not exact and I could be making a mistake— 17% of the population has 80% of the wealth.”
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September 15, 2015 10:16pm
cha

Was it?.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5966092-3×2-940×627.jpg
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