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Nookin

Mm

Indeed. And given that 11 am has been and gone I had better get into the garden.
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September 13, 2015 11:22am
duggledog

Stephieboy:

“As for Jewish and those other groups the refugees like all other citizens ( including no doubt you ) will have learn to observe our human rights laws”

You mean like in France? And Britain?

Where there are many Muslims and now Jewish people are leaving because they cannot be protected by the Police or anyone else, in reality?

The key thing is, you said ‘I don’t know…’ and that’s just the point. You don’t know. We can’t know. So logically why would we want to find out?

Mikenmild: “You say ‘universal Muslim abhorrence and intolerance’. I say that such intolerance is not universal.”

You show your ignorance of Islam. The intolerance is universal, however when you only register as a couple of per cent of a population, you keep your head down and your thoughts to yourself.

Just because many kiwis are bigoted, some represented on this blog, why would we add more who are actually brainwashed, and cannot change their beliefs?
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September 13, 2015 11:26am
Griff

What is this tax you talk about, potheads?
Again jack creates a straw man.
Pot head infers pot addiction Griff as repeatedly pointed out is not addicted to pot.
Your alcohol tax does not cover the significant cost of alcohol harm.
Not by a long shot.
Griff pays tax on his earnings.
He would happy pay tax directly on his drug of choice to cover the costs of cannabis consumption in a legal and regulated market.
But fuckwits will not legalize the drug due to uninformed ignorant opinions as displayed repeatedly by jack5.
Instead their prohibition funds the criminal underworld .
legalize cannabis and insure users pay tax towards both informed education on the risks and to pay for society’s harms of usage.
User pays we all win.
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September 13, 2015 11:27am
stigie

“Meanwhile there is a steep duty on alcohol”.

There should be Jack5, taxpayers forking out with binge drinkers being admitted to hospital etc, where cost to the public with cannabis smoking is minimal.
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September 13, 2015 11:29am
cricko

So dime is not a big Rousey fan, I get that.
But why ?

And what about the rematch of what is considered maybe the greatest super heaveyweight fight ever ?
Surely that will be worth a look.
(my money will be on Mark Hunt for sentimental reasons but my head tells me Silvas big foot will win it for him. He will kick much more this time, he really hurt Mark with kicks in the early part last time.)

My nephew might agree with dime but. He paid US$350 to watch Rousey v Zingano in LA, that lasted 14 seconds.
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September 13, 2015 11:30am
mikenmild

There should be no legal distinction between the types of psychoactive substances that adults choose to ingest. Any controls on such substances should be aimed at minimising demonstrable harm. In the case of alcohol, this manly involves restrictions on sales and advertising. I see no reason why a similar approach should not be extended to all substances.
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September 13, 2015 11:31am
Viking2

Lighten up guys.

http://videos2view.net/irish-dance.htm
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September 13, 2015 11:52am
Viking2

Budgeting advice.

http://screencast.com/t/JIkZJ5fiw
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September 13, 2015 12:03pm
stigie

“Re Whiff Griff, and stigie (11.11) and all the other dope heads I have rattled this morning”.

Don’t smoke Jack5, but know of friends and family that smoke in moderation every day for years and has made no difference to their personality or wellbeing. They go about their usual business in a loving and caring way.

Of course people like Jack5 put cannabis in the same class as “P” which is a real disaster for our communities.
As i said earlier Jack5 you need to some serious study. Most cannabis users are good people, the same as most people that drink in moderation !~
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September 13, 2015 12:06pm
stephieboy

duggledog , am afraid I can’t make much sense of what you say.

Let me repeat- obviously all communities and religious groups will need to observe our laws including Human rights legislation.

Thus far our Muslim community like our Christian one displays the capacity to do likewise . Even though they like certain Christians might disagree with say gay rights/ marriage .

I see no reason why Syrian refugees can do the same.
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September 13, 2015 12:20pm
Fletch

Speaking of Rousey, Hollywood is doing another pointless movie remake. This time it’s the movie Roadhouse. The original starred Patrick Swayze and was notable for it’s final, brutal fight scene. Anyways, they are remaking it with Rousey as the lead.
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September 13, 2015 12:37pm
edhunter

They were either visiting, residing or working in the small Australian town of Kendall that day.
That is the chilling profile that police are building of the person or persons who snatched three-year-old William Tyrrell from the front yard of his grandmother’s home .

No shit sherlock what other options were there? Dying? Astral planing?
Maybe I’ve missed my calling as a criminal profiler.
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September 13, 2015 1:00pm
Jack5

Stigie’s post at 11.29 included:

…cost to the public with cannabis smoking is minimal…

First, I agree that alcohol does more harm to the community than cannabis.

But … what about unemployed dope heads happy to smoke the rest of their lives away. What about the loss of ambition in teenagers who overindulge in cannabis? What about the deaths of the balloon passengers killed by a doped up pilot? Perhaps we need the equivalent, too, of alcohol breath testers, so we get doped-up drivers off the road. And we need to get cannabis out of schools, just as we need to keep alcohol out of them.
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September 13, 2015 1:25pm
starboard

Im bringing gwiff back not one , but two ladyboys for his pleasure ( and request )

We may never hear from him again..
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September 13, 2015 1:32pm
Kimbo

@ dime

Wagner seems to have quietly been given the ass eh

Pity. He may not be viewed as such a great wicket-taker like Henry or Bracewell (who in reality are opening bowlers), but is a perfect 3rd seamer – gutsy, works for the team, not afraid of lots of hard work, keeps the run rate down, yet still takes wickets when needed.

Played a really crucial role when we beat India at Eden Park at the start of last year with a brace of 4 wickets…the second one when it looked like they were going to chase us down in the fourth innings. Each of them were “big” wickets

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/match/667651.html
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September 13, 2015 1:38pm
cha

Council wants to ban mini-skirts and short shorts because they’re disrespectful.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/12/council-wants-to-ban-mini-skirts-and-short-shorts-because-theyre-disrespectful-5388920/?
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September 13, 2015 1:40pm
nasska

Jack5

…..”what about unemployed dope heads happy to smoke the rest of their lives away”…..

They used to drink their lives away…..it’s the type of people they are & nothing short of eugenics will change this.

….”What about the loss of ambition in teenagers who overindulge in cannabis?”…..

They use age restrictions to prevent young people buying alcohol. Do the same with marijuana.

….”What about the deaths of the balloon passengers killed by a doped up pilot?”……

There are already laws pertaining to operating machinery while impaired by drugs & alcohol. Enforce them.

…..” so we get doped-up drivers off the road.”…..

Police already have the power to require coordination tests & blood testing should the suspect fail.

….”And we need to get cannabis out of schools, just as we need to keep alcohol out of them.”…..

Agreed but consider this…..if you wanted to buy a tinnie you’d probably ask a teenager where to buy it. The illegal market will collapse if people can buy marijuana openly the same as beer & so will school pupils’ easy source of recreational drugs.
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September 13, 2015 1:41pm
nasska

When Starboard comes back from holiday in Thailand, I wouldn’t be surprised if he came home with a few ladyboys.

I’d be less surprised still if he came home as a ladyboy. 🙂
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September 13, 2015 1:44pm
Kimbo

Neil Wagner:

Tests: 16
Balls: 3520
Runs: 2000
Wickets: 58
BBI: 5/64
BBM: 8/126
Average 34:48
Econ: 3.4
S/R: 60.6
4WI: 4
5WI: 1
10WM: 0

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/player/233713.html

and those stats have improved every test he has played.

In comparison, Doug Bracewell’s have declined since the high of Hobart in 2010: –

Tests: 19
Balls: 3406
Runs: 1931
Wickets: 55
BBI: 6/40
BBM: 9/60
Average: 35.10
Econ: 3.40
S/R 61.9
4WI: 0
5WI: 2
10WM: 0

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/362541.html
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September 13, 2015 1:47pm
Jack5

Stephiebot posted at 12.20:

obviously all communities and religious groups will need to observe our laws including Human rights legislation.

When the Middle East economic migrants begin pouring in, you tell ’em, Stephiebot, so the ISIL extremists among them will behave from then on.
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September 13, 2015 1:47pm
Jack5

This is more evidence of the stupidity of Stephiebot’s Neville Chamberlain-weak belief in the harmlessness of Muslim immigration:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11859029/Nothing-has-changed-in-25-years-toease-my-concerns-about-Islam.html

Peace in our time, eh Stephiebot? The peace of Allah.
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September 13, 2015 1:58pm
AgentBallSack

Assuming National win the next election and Dennis posts 2 poems a day for the next 5 years, we still have 3000 more limericks to read until the 2020 elections. God help us.
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September 13, 2015 2:00pm
Reid

The 911 conspiwacy theowy all the sheeple believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l47D5ISemds
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September 13, 2015 2:18pm
Reid

How To Destroy A People And
Their Culture In 10 Easy Steps

By Jay Weidner
9-12-15

1. Convince the people and culture that you wish to subjugate to come together and create one big country with one central authority.

2. Convince the people that because they are now one big country they don’t need borders anymore.

3. Convince the citizens that, because they are now living in peace, they can get rid of their guns.

4. Initiate a liberal immigration system and convince the citizens to accept people with other languages, races and cultures into their own country.

5. Create a huge terror incident and convince the citizens that the people in a far off country are the perpetrators.

6. Use that terror incident to attack and create chaos in those far off countries.

7. After those far off countries have been disabled then create a wave of refugees into the country and culture that you wish to subjugate.

8. Make sure that many criminals and other bad people are mixed in with these refugees.

9. Flood the cities of the country you wish to conquer with these criminals.

10. Unarmed, unprotected and with their own governments against them, the people will now be overwhelmed by the refugees and their country will fall forever.

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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September 13, 2015 2:19pm
Reid

Aired once and never aired again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4hG59L2eTs

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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September 13, 2015 2:23pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ql48z093mtk01z/Sheep%2020.jpg?dl=0
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September 13, 2015 2:25pm
stephieboy

Reid,

9/11 what’s your pet favourite – particle beam, remote controlled airlines, missiles , holo grams etc ?

The greatest fiascos of the 9/11 Truth movement ,

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97622
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September 13, 2015 2:31pm
Reid

sillyboy I won’t be answering any question from you until you stop your practice of falsely attributing comments you have made up in your own head to other commenters here. And the way to prove you have stopped that is not to do it, at all, for six months. And Jack5 and nasska both called you out on that in the last few days, so your six months hasn’t even started yet.

nasska, in your dropbox, do you mean the conspiwacy theowy all the sheeple hallucinate (as detailed in the 5 min vid above), or the facts I’ve given from time to time on here?
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September 13, 2015 2:33pm
stigie

“I’d be less surprised still if he came home as a ladyboy”.

All that in 6 weeks Nasska, take some doing, but then Starbored can achieve anything so it seems !~
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September 13, 2015 2:39pm
wikiriwhis business

National’s blatant lies on Housing NZ dividends – The truth uncovered! – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/09/13/nationals-blatant-lies-on-housing-nz-dividends-the-truth-uncovered/#sthash.HX1oREs7.dpuf

National’s blatant lies on Housing NZ dividends – The truth uncovered!

Recent statements by Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, Minister Responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, Building and Housing Minister, Nick Smith, and Prime Minister John Key, have been shown to be deceptively misleading – and in many instances, outright lies.

Their public utterances have been revealed to be untrue after this blogger discovered a statement from Housing NZ, buried deep within one of their Annual Reports.

#1 – Nick Smith

On 25 April 2014, Building and Housing Minister, Nick Smith, was indignant when he rejected a claim by the Labour Party that National was planning to siphon off Christchurch earthquake insurance payouts to Housing NZ as government dividends.

As Radio NZ reported;

Papers obtained by Labour under the Official Information Act reveal plans to delay maintenance and redirect Canterbury quake insurance payouts to meet the Government’s demands for increased returns from state housing.

Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says Housing New Zealand has agreed to pay higher dividends to the Government by using some of its $320 million insurance payment and putting off repairs and maintenance.

Mr Twyford says the Government is robbing Housing New Zealand in Canterbury to fund dividends going into the Crown account. He says Housing Minister Nick Smith needs to explain why money that should have gone into the rebuild has gone into Government coffers instead.

But Housing Minister Nick Smith says it’s not a case of earmarking any particular income towards the dividend, but it’s not true to say it will come from the insurance payout.

He says insurance proceeds are going towards capital expenditure, including 2000 new houses, which will be under construction by the end of 2015.

Dr Smith says Housing New Zealand has always been expected to return a dividend to the Crown, including under the previous Labour-led Government. This comes from normal operating revenue, including rent and rent subsidies from the Government.

Housing New Zealand’s latest statement of intent shows $308 million in insurance money earmarked for capital expenditure this financial year.

#2 – Bill English

Barely five months later, Housing NZ announced a dividend of $118 million to be paid to the government for financial year – the largest since 2009-10;

Housing New Zealand returned a $108 million dividend in the past financial year, the third largest ever paid.

At the time the responsible minister, Bill English said the higher dividend would allow the Government to help more people with serious housing needs.

Green Party co-leader James Shaw said the idea the Government was continuing to make money off State housing when children were getting sick from living in those houses was unacceptable.

He said the Crown must rule out taking a dividend until all Housing New Zealand stock was up to standard.

“Given that Housing New Zealand homes are actually killing their residents, I think it makes no sense for there to be any dividend at all.

“Everything that they get should be ploughed back into making sure that their homes are safe.”

Minister Responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English justified the massive dividend with the extraordinary statement;

“Housing New Zealand has sufficient cash to invest in new houses and at the level that we’ve specified, and to do its maintenance programmes. So really the dividend is about just a bit of pressure on them to be efficient.”

The cash-grab by National had been hinted earlier, on 24 March, when Bill English signalled that maintenance on HNZ properties would be deferred;

Mr English says the lack of maintenance on state houses is concerning and that in the long run the government will need to invest the $1.2 billion dollars in state houses to get them up to scratch.

However, he says that won’t all happen this year.

When asked why Housing New Zealand had not spent as much money as it should have on maintenance, Mr English put the blame partly on the previous Labour government saying they had chosen to build new state houses rather than fix up old ones.

Yet, that quiet admission did not stop both Paula Bennett and Bill English from repeating their ‘spin’ that Housing NZ had sufficient cash for necessary maintenance of their housing stock;

Bill English – 5 June 2015

“They’ve done a very large scale programme – insulated every house that it can, which is 48,000 houses over the last four or five years.

It’s got to deal with the same limitations of process as everybody else, it’s got to get consents, it’s got to find a workforce, but it’s not short of money to do the job.”

#3 – Paula Bennett

Paula Bennett, Minister for Social Housing – 12 June 2015

@ 4.28

“What I will say is that it’s not, um, not a money problem. So there is enough money there for us to get that stock up.”

@ 5.42

“It’s not actually about the money. The money is there to be spent on the maintenance.”

Bill English – 8 September 2015

“Housing New Zealand has sufficient cash to invest in new houses and at the level that we’ve specified, and to do its maintenance programmes.”

Bill English – 9 September 2015

@ 2.36

“The constraint on repairs isn’t cash. They have enough money to do the jobs that they need to do.”

@ 4.28

“With respect to the maintenance. Ah, yes, if any tenant lets Housing NZ azbout any, what they call urgent maintenance needs, and they got 125,000 of those notifications, ah, in the last year or two, ah, then Housing NZ has the cash to act on those…”

@ 6.11

“In fact, our main challenge there is not [a] lack of money…”

@ 6.35

“So the constraint isn’t cash, it’s a lack of houses.”

All of which was revealed to be dishonest spin by these two Ministers, when this statement was discovered from Housing NZ’s 2013/14 Annual Report;

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– See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/09/13/nationals-blatant-lies-on-housing-nz-dividends-the-truth-uncovered/#sthash.HX1oREs7.dpuf
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September 13, 2015 2:42pm
Reid

In the wake of the 911 terror attacks, Americans everywhere recited the collective mantra, “Things will never be the same”. Actually things had changed very little.

Fifteen of the nineteen alleged hijackers were born in Saudi Arabia, where the House of Saud dictatorship has financed Muslim Brotherhood modern-day Assassins and CIA covert operations since its inception for the benefit of the Eight Families banking cartel and their Four Horsemen – whose ARAMCO oilfields are protected via US military occupation of the Kingdom.

The Assassins this time were members of al Qaeda, the cadre of former Afghan mujahedeen fighters that the CIA trained, then used to carry out proxy wars in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Chechnya, Dagestan, Indian Kashmir, East Turkistan Province in China, Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia, Algeria and Uzbekistan. The CIA brought al Qaeda spiritual leader and Anwar Sadat assassin Sheik Abdul Rahman to the US to recruit Islamic fundamentalists willing to fight in these CIA wars. [1]

Al Qaeda was headed by Osama bin Laden, who built the CIA’s mujahadeen training camps in Afghanistan. Bin Laden was House of Saud point man in recruiting Arab fighters for CIA shenanigans in Central Asia and the Balkans. Bin Laden’s brother Salem was a business partner and good friend of James Bath. His father Mohammed provided seed money for Bush’s Arbusto Energy. The bin Laden family fortune was managed by the Carlyle Group where George Bush Sr. worked.

According to a PBS spokeswomen, within three days of 911 both Vice-President Dick Cheney and Queen Elizabeth II called PBS to request copies of two video documentaries the station had done – one on bin Laden and the other on Islam. Since US intelligence knew all it needed to know of their foot soldier bin Laden, Cheney and Her Majesty were more concerned with what the US public had already been told of the Saudi paymaster so they could factor this into their forthcoming public relations blitz…

https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/bin-laden-the-911-illusion-part-i-patsies-beneficiaries/
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September 13, 2015 2:47pm
nasska

….”do you mean the conspiwacy theowy all the sheeple hallucinate (as detailed in the 5 min vid above), or the facts I’ve given from time to time on here?”…..

Could be a bit of both Reid. The sheep & I are borderline convinced that you are a conspiracy theorist but then again it may be because of rumours spread by the Illuminati. 🙂
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September 13, 2015 2:57pm
stephieboy

Reid, garbage in and garbage out. Pushing the Stupidity envelope yet again.

OBL, did not build any training camps for the CIA and he was not a stooge for anyone but himself and Al Qaeda ,

All your points refuted here,

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Osama_bin_Laden
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September 13, 2015 3:00pm
wikiriwhis business

US company charges for NZ land sales information

Prior to the 2013 Election, the Prime Minister said only 2 per cent of rural land was owned by foreigners.

But economist Bill Rosenberg, who has been tracking land sales for several decades, puts the figure much higher, at nearly 9 per cent.

Until recently PropertyIQ provided Rosenberg with information for free. It covered only freehold sales, and excluded forestry and lifestyle land.

In order to gain a more accurate picture, he asked PropertyIQ for the total of all rural land sales, forestry and other, freehold and leasehold for the years 2005 to 2014.

The response: it would cost $2500+GST for the information.

Rosenberg said a colleague also tried to obtain the same information through Official Information Act requests but was turned down because the data is held by multiple agencies (including local governments) and no one minister or agency says they can provide it.

“CoreLogic effectively have a monopoly on the information. I guess people could painstakingly work their way around all the different agencies and piece the information together but it would be a huge piece of work and it would always be difficult to know if it was complete,” he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/71886796/us-company-charges-for-nz-land-sales-information
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September 13, 2015 3:03pm
mikenmild

nasska
Reid is getting a bit confused about his conspiracy theories. Only the other day, when Fletch and EAD pointed out the sinister truth behind smart electricity meters, Reid was having none of it. Too dumb to discern a real conspiracy, even when it is in his own house.
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September 13, 2015 3:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another view on Climate and the Syrian uprising

https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/why-climate-change-had-no-impact-on-the-syrian-uprising/
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September 13, 2015 3:07pm
cha

Context matters.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.35.html
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September 13, 2015 3:10pm
graphite

stephieboy (7,122 comments) says:
September 13th, 2015 at 12:20 pm

Let me repeat- obviously all communities and religious groups will need to observe our laws including Human rights legislation.

Thus far our Muslim community like our Christian one displays the capacity to do likewise . Even though they like certain Christians might disagree with say gay rights/ marriage .

I see no reason why Syrian refugees can do the same.

Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 4

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Wow! stephieboy does a 180. I’m with him on this. I’m looking for reasons the Syrians will be able to observe our laws and peaceably integrate with Muslims already here . . . and I can see none.
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September 13, 2015 3:14pm
graphite

Tell me Griff and others who buy the AGW story . . .

If Global Warming a.k.a. Climate Change categorically means global, then how will New Zealand and Australia implementing policies to lower their carbon footprints (to use the shorthand) stop the seas from rising and swamping those Pacific Islands their leaders gave Abbott and Key grief about. If the IPCC’s figures are correct, our contribution to Global Warming is something like 0.17% of the world’s total and the Aussies’ slightly higher.

If New Zealand and Australia completely shut down, returned to the state they were in at the time of Shakespeare, would the level of the Pacific Ocean drop? Would Tuvalu resemble Hawaii? Would those Island leaders be happy with that?
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September 13, 2015 3:34pm
Griff

Tell me Griff and others who buy the AGW story . . .

Gee its science as endorsed by every major scientific body on the planet 97% of the peer reviewed literature and almost all who study the subject. If you dont “buy into” science go find a nice tree in Africa to hang out in like a good little Luddite .

The idea is every makes a cut in co2 emissions not just us. That is why we have international efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

The atmosphere is a commons shared by every one on the planet and it is the only one we have .
NZ as a devolved nation has been emitting co2 for over a century we have already done much to change the atmosphere we should as much to return it to an acceptable state.
Why should we have to completely shut down ? That is just stupid straw man argument from either ignorance or stupidity. We should be future proofing are economy moving to a less carbon emissions intensive world. If Luddites like it or not this is the future.
I spent yesterday at the Auckland home show there were at lest twenty stands pushing solar, wind, heat pumps, led lighting There are more modern efficient means of energy generation an/or usage than burning dead dinosaur juice with no thought for the future .
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September 13, 2015 4:12pm
Manolo

How many of those refugees whom today thank “Mamma Merkel” will appear in the future in front of the German justice system charged with rape or terrorist acts? Time will tell.
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September 13, 2015 4:20pm
Azeraph

How many of these bleeding heart Germans who wanted the so called refugees to come to their country want to immigrate to Nz and Oz? After they see their country go down hill.
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September 13, 2015 4:28pm
BananaLama

Germans aren’t going to change their policies Manolo. You can be arrested and put in jail if you are to far right in Germany probably why Psycho Milt loved his time spent there so much.
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September 13, 2015 4:28pm
dime

Cricko – can’t stand the rousey hype. Now that America is a full on feminist nation their media go ape shit over her. Sure, she’s light years ahead of t he other women.. The other 50odd worldwide who fight. She is basically as skilled as the average dude in the ufc, except she gets to fight girls who are about ten years behind in development.

I also just hate her personality, I stupidly watch the ultimate fighter she was in. Always crying when she didn’t get her own way etc, labelled people racist at the drop of a hat.

It’s probably cause I follow mma so closely and have to see thousands of articles on her. Everyday it’s something new and trivial. Over exposed is the word..

How’s that for a rant? Heh

Hunt v Bigfoot – bigfoot has been getting knocked out by his opponent sneezing since he got off the hgh. Hunt should smoke him. I’ll download the event but won’t pay for it.
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September 13, 2015 4:31pm
graphite

You haven’t answered my question, Griff.

I know all about the 97% (the appeal to authority argument) and the rest of your post is just philosophical stuff.

What I want to know is, specifically, how will New Zealand reducing its use of carbon stop the seas rising?

And if the answer is “not at all” then why are those Island leaders in a snit? Whatever we do, large move or small, the outcome is the same. We can discuss the global implications later.
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September 13, 2015 4:32pm
mikenmild

I think you could take that isolationist approach to any international issue, graphite.

Why send troops to Iraq when it will make no difference to the defeat of ISIS?

Why take 600 Syrian refugees when there are millions to help?

Why give foreign aid when it will make no difference to global poverty?
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September 13, 2015 4:40pm
Griff

the appeal to authority argument
What other authority would you appeal to when it comes to science ? some blog? a politician? your church?
You said”buy into a story” I pointed out that its universally accepted science by scientific authoritys not some story I read in a msm newspaper.

We only have one planet with only one atmosphere for humanity to inhabit this is not a question of philosophy it is a fact .

You seem to have a problem with considering we all share this planet and are trying to narrow down the world to a few small islands in the pacific.
You can not do this with global warming because ….It is global.

Sea level will continue to rise for at lest the next couple of century’s even if we stopped emitting co2 globally right now as a result of the emissions we have already made. A most of the wolds major city’s are on the coast this will cause disruption globally not just for the Pacific’s low lying atolls.

The idea is to limit the future changes to something humanity can realistically cope with by reducing future emissions on a global scale.

If we do continue to emit without consideration to the effect and burn all the known reserves of hydro carbons we will see most of the planet un inhabitable for humans or even mammals in the future .
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September 13, 2015 4:55pm
graphite

mikenmild (15,564 comments) says:
September 13th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
I think you could take that isolationist approach to any international issue, graphite.

Why send troops to Iraq when it will make no difference to the defeat of ISIS?

Why take 600 Syrian refugees when there are millions to help?

Why give foreign aid when it will make no difference to global poverty?

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Sending NZ troops to Iraq would make no difference to the defeat of ISIS. Not because ISIS can’t be defeated but because that whole area is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. So many countries won’t commit because they’d be seen to be siding with their enemies. The Turks won’t fight ISIS because ISIS is giving the Kurds a blood nose; the Yanks are half-hearted because Iran is leading the anti-ISIS campaign and so on and so on. That balls up cannot in any way be seen as comparable to the Global Warming scare.

I don’t want to take in 600 Syrians because (a) the chances that ISIS types will be among them is huge, (b) I don’t want Muslims coming into New Zealand in any number because it is a disruptive force in the world shown by the experiences of European cities where they’ve been able to gain a foothold and (c) we’ve got enough people on seemingly permanent benefits in NZ already.

While foreign aid might not make much of a difference to global poverty, it does make some and, in certain cases, when specifically directed, a huge difference to local poverty. Someone in New Zealand, spending a relatively small amount of money, can make an impact. My wife’s niece is currently building a house in a Cambodian village; she will eventually also provide a school, medical facility and improved sanitation. If she cut her carbon footprint to zero, on the other hand, that village wouldn’t notice a thing.

If the New Zealand Government provides funds for hospitals and schools in Vanuatu, the local people are tangibly helped. If the New Zealand Government cuts our carbon footprint, something that will cost us money to do, nobody is helped.
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September 13, 2015 5:33pm
graphite

Griff, everything in your 4:55 post is absolute, gold-plated, lay down misere, racing certainty tosh.

If the prophets of doom were correct, we’d be under water now. Not one alarmists’ prediction has come to pass; none will.

Stop frightening yourself and stop frightening the children.
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September 13, 2015 5:42pm
Griff

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Head up your own arse there graphite.
Would you give me a citation in scientific literature for” If the prophets of doom were correct, we’d be under water now.”?
I have never seen a single piece of peer reviewed science that says such a thing despite reading extensively on the subject
That is just your ignorance showing.

Really the childish ignorance belongs to you .

By the way I am not frightening I leave that for idiots who deny realty because it is both to complex and to scary for their childish little minds to cope with.
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September 13, 2015 5:58pm
ex-golfer

Fuck the Labour party is confusing.
Grant Robertson on TV saying we should limit migration into the country as its putting pressure on employment.
Last week they were arguing we should double our refugee intake as if that won’t affect the numbers on welfare?
What the fuck?
Which is it?
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September 13, 2015 6:08pm
nasska

….”Which is it?”….

That is largely dependent on the day of the week & the phase of the moon.

You didn’t happen to notice which side of his mouth he was dribbling out of when he made the statement?
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September 13, 2015 6:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Ex-golfer

Fuck the Labour party is confusing.

arthur or martha?
Is Robertson talking to Little?
Are MIgrants (i.e. Asians?) different from Refugees in the eyes of the Labour Party?

So many ????, so few answers.
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September 13, 2015 6:21pm
mikenmild

There is no logical reason to accept refugees while wanting to have a conversation about immigration levels. Personally, think we could increase the numbers of refugees and other migrants, but we need to consider the impact, and possible mitigation, for every newcomer wanting to live in Auckland.
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September 13, 2015 6:26pm
BananaLama

I agree in part with you Mike.

My concern is where would we put all the people? the provinces aren’t keen on being turned into Auckland the only place that wants more people is Wellington but they don’t want to be urbanised like Auckland and regulate the shit out of development. I guess we could keep stuffing everyone into South Auckland and watch as it turns into a mini Detroit.
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September 13, 2015 6:32pm
Inandout

ex-golfer: I think Grant now realises these overwhelmingly Muslim migrants would have him dragged behind a galloping horse, given half a chance.
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September 13, 2015 6:34pm
big bruv

Oh dear, the NZ rugby team have had to sink to the level of paying English sports stars to attend an open day in London.

I wonder how suckholes like Toby Robson will report this?
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September 13, 2015 6:40pm
igm

Best the filth at Fairfax in particular, check their facts on these refugees they are promoting. I have been sent pics etc. from Poland, accompanied by a full story. If it can be substantiated it will be made public and it will make even the lowest lefty realise what rubbish we are expected to provide the best of life money can buy. Wake up JK before it is too late!
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September 13, 2015 6:41pm
cricko

dime
hope you are right re Hunt V Silva.

Rousey v Holm. Holm could be in as an outside chance if she can keep it a stand up fight, she can box.
I have no time for Rousey myself, she is certainly a redneck bigot, can’t make it to Melbourne personally but
will definitely fork out for the PPV and
be rapt if Holm could knock her head off.

And fernglas, do you dissagree with Paulus @ 8.20 ?

And Nookin, so you work in a lawyers office. I’m impressed.
What as ? tea lady ?
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September 13, 2015 7:11pm
Nostradamus

Nookin: I wouldn’t bother engaging with the village idiot.

*Hic*
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September 13, 2015 7:12pm
cricko

Of course you wouldn’t engage with me anymore nostrodamus, you lack the intellect to compete.

Even a drong like you can sense when he has been done like a dogs dinner.
And that’s every time you stick your gormless head up.

(now that comment is sure to get me a poultice of thumbs down, but it’s the truth. nostodamuss most profound effort is ‘Hic.’ And the poor sod had to extended himself to his limit to come up with that gem of wit,)
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September 13, 2015 7:24pm
Nostradamus

And Nookin, so you work in a lawyers office. I’m impressed.
What as ? tea lady ?

Hmmm…

bereal (3,137 comments) says:
May 24th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
…
This drong, cha, ignores the message and scores points, in his mind, by attacking
the messenger.
Typical lowest common denominator response. Pathetic in fact.

C’mon cha, show us that you are not a total fuckwit.
Where does Robinson go wrong ?
…
If cha is not a complete waste of space fuckwit he/she will be able to mount a sensible rebuttal.

cha. Are you just a waste of space fuckwit ?

So, in response to Nookin, you ignored the message and scored points, in your mind, by attacking the messenger. I think that makes you a “waste of space fuckwit”. All in your own words, eh?

Of course you wouldn’t engage with me anymore nostrodamus, you lack the intellect to compete.

A legend in your own mind as well as a liar? (“My cook called it to my attention after she read nostrodamus @ 8.25”)
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September 13, 2015 7:24pm
cricko

Jeez nostodmis i’m impressed I made such an impression on you that you can go back over 2 years to dig up one of my old gems.

And by the way, aren’t you the same gormless drong that said only about 15 minutes ago not to engage with me ?

You just can’t help yourself, can you ?
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September 13, 2015 7:35pm
Nostradamus

And by the way, wern’t you the same gormless drong that said only about 15 minutes ago not to engage with me.

There’s a difference between “engaging with” someone and “mocking” them – but, unfortunately, that’s beyond your comprehension level.

Just because Cricko likes talking about cocks:

Work Advice: When a transgender co-worker hits the showers

Q: My transgender colleague uses the women’s locker room at the gym. Does her identity trump our right not to see penises in the locker room?

The question (in longer form) and the suggested answer are here.
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September 13, 2015 7:37pm
cha

Hi dad.
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September 13, 2015 7:43pm
cricko

Jeez, nostodermis is no fun anymore.

I’ll go back to pulling wings off flys to get my laughs and leave the field open for the poor sod to have the last word.

PS My cook just read this exchange and can’t stop laughing her arse off.
Anyway,

G’nite all, and good luck to your families.
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September 13, 2015 7:51pm
nasska

….”Does her identity trump our right not to see penises in the locker room? “…..

On the odd occasion I get my missus out to do her farmhand duties she thinks herself lucky if there’s half a toilet roll in the tool box on the quad & the privacy of a bit of scrub manuka.

Typical bloody moaning townies need to harden up. 🙂
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September 13, 2015 7:52pm
Nostradamus

This is interesting:

It starts around daybreak every Wednesday. The oyster farmers take to inlets and estuaries all along the pristine NSW south coast to harvest some of finest seafood Australia has to offer.

But these oysters are not bound for Australian plates.

Within a few hours they will be loaded on to a plane headed to the Chinese megacity of Guangzhou. By Thursday morning they will be in high-end restaurants across that region, ready for some of China’s most discerning diners.

And those diners are happy to pay for the pleasure. Here, a dozen Sydney Rock Oysters might set you back about $13; in Guangzhou, the same order will set you back close to $100.

Such prices deliver a healthy return to 45 south coast producers, who have joined forces under the name Australian Oyster Coast in order to make inroads into lucrative Asian markets.

I wonder what kinds of New Zealand food fall into this “export grade” category. I remember seeing apples in Japan that were the size of cricket balls and completely blemish-free – I think at least some of them were from New Zealand.
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September 13, 2015 7:52pm
nasska

Crayfish & paua would come under that heading Nostra. Mate of mine’s a cray fisherman & earlier on this season they were grossing $125/kg off the back of the boat.

Two small legal crays to the kilo….it’d make a fairly expensive main course in Wellington or Guangzhou. 🙂
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September 13, 2015 7:59pm
Jack5

The Britain-born, Iran-raised Donna Miles Mojab appeared on TVNZ tonight speaking on behalf of New Zealanders – “us” – and calling for a further lift in NZ’s refugee quota. I think the “Mojab” was left off her last name as she was introduced on New Zealand’s State televison.

Miles Mojab is quite radical. Here she is on NZ reaction to the attack on the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists:

Here in NZ, many editorials framed the Charlie Hebdo attacks as attacks on freedom of speech. Debates about the root causes of terrorism and extremism of the Western military were all swept under the carpet whilst endless debates about the right to free speech continued.

I believe that the greatest threats to our freedom of speech are posed by the Western governments who, under the guise of national security and through greater surveillance, limit our privacy and our ability to speak freely without intimidation and fear.

And she wants us to take in more of her ilk.

Meanwhile the video clips of the pro-economic migrant protests in Europe seem to show that most of the protesters are themselves migrants, recent or not so recent. What can we expect when they are a sizeable minority?
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September 13, 2015 7:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jewish New Year tonight
http://www.chabadnz.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/4644/jewish/Rosh-Hashanah.htm
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September 13, 2015 8:09pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

$125/kg for crayfish – nice if you can get it!

There must be a whole lot of other export-grade food that New Zealanders never see though.
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September 13, 2015 8:11pm
Nostradamus

An interesting documentary – The Truth About Halal

What do Vegemite, Cadbury’s chocolate, Bega cheese and Kellogg’s cereals have in common? They are all Halal certified. Like many products on our supermarket shelves, they’ve been given the tick of approval for Muslim consumers to buy.

For food producers and exporters it’s a straightforward pragmatic business practice. The manufacturer pays for an inspection to gain Halal certification, which in turn opens up lucrative markets.
…
It’s become a touchstone issue for groups like Reclaim Australia, that label it a ‘religious tax’ foisted on consumers.

Claims about corruption and links to terrorism light up the blogosphere and provide fodder for anti-Islam rallies.

Four Corners goes in search of the truth and follows the money trail to reveal where the Halal funds are ending up.

We meet key players in the anti-Halal movement and the men who decide what’s Halal and what’s not – and hold the key to multi-billion dollar export markets.

Their conclusion: “There is clearly a need for greater transparency and accountability, but the more alarmist claims about halal appear to be unfounded”.

I had no idea that products like chocolate (seriously?), cheese and cereal would need to be Halal-certified.
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September 13, 2015 8:18pm
SPC

graphite,

Our troops are in Iraq because of that thing called collective security – we are on the UNSC. It may be ineffective (yes its a balls up) but its proper form.

Re the 600 Syrians – the Islamists are the involved in the fighting to impose their regime others, their civilian comrades are the ones staying close by in camps not seeking to migrate to secular nations (as Syria was). The refugees fleeing the loss of a safe and secular Syria are unlikely to aspire to form Moslem enclaves, not that the numbers here would allow that even if that was their want. And the reason the Germans want the refugees from Syria is that they are well educated/employable.

Yes foreign aid will do more good in the short to medium term, the problem will be when the impact of climate change becomes adverse and the ability to provide this aid will diminish. It might be smart to include in foreign aid renewable energy infrastructure – reduce their dependency on carbon use.
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September 13, 2015 8:18pm
nasska

Can’t think of a lot of food that’s impossible to get…..mind you a platinum Visa would be prerequisite for some of them.

Wild pork & venison have flavours of their own that the health safety nuts keep from most. Whitebait is largely off the menu unless you catch it yourself. Paua is priced off the menu unless you think that silverbeet coloured paua fritters are the real thing.

I do pretty well when all’s said & done Nostra. If I don’t have the time or inclination to catch or hunt it myself a side of home killed hogget delivered to the right contact usually does the trick. 🙂
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September 13, 2015 8:22pm
Nostradamus

So, Nasska, is it fair to say that there’s no prospect of you being a city slicker anytime soon?

Johnboy will be devastated that you never intend to set foot into Wainui!

(Hi D4J – come out into the light!)
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September 13, 2015 8:26pm
Viking2

Light entertainment from the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgAmXb5UZlY
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September 13, 2015 8:28pm
nasska

I’ll probably retire to town in a couple of years Nostra but I’m not exactly looking forward to it.

I have been to Wainuiomata although it was a pool./darts team visit many years ago. If I never see the squalid dump again I’ll still die a happy man. 🙂
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September 13, 2015 8:31pm
Nostradamus

Before D4J smashes his mouse button:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx3weXbliLI

77 seconds of pure entertainment!
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September 13, 2015 8:31pm
big bruv

Which one is D4J?
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September 13, 2015 8:42pm
Nostradamus

Big Bruv:

I think we can safely rule out the moderator.

I realise that doesn’t narrow down the field much, but we have to start somewhere!
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September 13, 2015 8:43pm
Nookin

I see cricko (7.11 pm) laboured for a bit over 8 hours for his devastating tea lady riposte. Alas, I am undone and my secret is out.
One question, though cricko. Were they 8 hours of intense focus and gruelling concentration or did it just spontaneously slip out after hours of mind numbing lubrication?
I see there was no acknowledgement that you misrepresented what I said earlier on. I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt before. Not now, though. I think I will move from pissed to deliberate deceit.

Cup of tea anyone?
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September 13, 2015 8:56pm
cha

Light entertainment with guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihvvf1R_vWo
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September 13, 2015 9:11pm
Nostradamus

Nookin:

I’ll have a cup of tea. With milk and sugar please. Chop chop!

Actually, come to think of it, an extra strong macchiato might do the trick for Cricko – he needs sobering up and his “cook” (*wink* *nudge*) doesn’t seem up to it.
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September 13, 2015 9:17pm
graphite

SPC (7,482 comments) says:
September 13th, 2015 at 8:18 pm

It might be smart to include in foreign aid renewable energy infrastructure – reduce their dependency on carbon use.

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I love that one, absolutely love it. It exposes the hypocrisy of greenies who claim to be protecting the poor but are, in fact, condemning them to a life locked in their poverty.

Solar, wind power, hamsters running around inside wheels and all that other “renewable” rubbish will all produce electricity . . . but at an horrendous cost and with a reliability factor lower than a 1965 Commer.

The cheapest, most reliable electricity on the planet is produced in coal-fired plants. And despite what Greenpeace and other nutters claim, modern versions of these are cleaner than a nun’s joke book.

All over the third world, people are desperate to escape their grinding lives, lives that could be vastly improved by electricity — starting with women who have to cook over open fires, in crappy houses, with no sanitation and no running water.

Provide electricity for those people and they can build decent houses complete with plumbing and cook on electric stoves, they can start small businesses, they can help themselves. And that’s just for starters.

It’s why the Indian government won’t have a bar of Global Warming. As their Prime Minister says, “We’ve got 800 million people we have to get out of poverty.”

Why should some peasant in a poor country go without electricity when western nations have appliances without end?
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September 13, 2015 9:50pm
Manolo

What do they contain? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232344/Hillary-Clintons-private-emails-recoverable-Wash-Post.html

Tens of thousands of Hillary Clinton’s emails that were previously thought to be deleted could still be recovered.

The tech company that managed Clinton’s private email server says it has ‘no knowledge’ it was wiped, meaning up to 31,000 messages could be salvaged.

Clinton and her aides have insisted that she deleted the thousands of personal emails from her time as Secretary of State, but experts say unless the server was wiped they could still be salvaged.
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September 13, 2015 9:50pm
Left Right and Centre

~~I guess we could keep stuffing everyone into South Auckland and watch as it turns into a mini Detroit.~~

More and more underclass people will be stuffed into the ever-growing mini Detroit that is South Auckland. Aaaah – that’s much better, isn’t it ?
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September 13, 2015 9:53pm
Scott Chris

What I want to know is, specifically, how will New Zealand reducing its use of carbon stop the seas rising?

Yeah, let someone else deal with it. Who gives a fuck about personal responsibility?

Somebody else’s problem (also known as someone else’s problem or SEP) is a psychological effect where people choose to dissociate themselves from an issue that may be in critical need of recognition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_else%27s_problem
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September 13, 2015 9:57pm
Manolo

Who could blame Hungary for not wanting a bar of those “refugees”? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34236878

Officials estimate that 175,000 migrants have crossed from Serbia into Hungary so far this year.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has promised to seal the country’s borders and arrest any illegal migrants. The country is close to finishing a 4m-high (13ft) fence along the border with Serbia.
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September 13, 2015 10:04pm
Viking2

Yes well.

Serendipity for the Germans.

What country has caused more wars, more aggravation, invaded more countries in the world than Germany.
Now they are all getting old they are about to be overtaken by the hordes from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Middle East, Ethiopia.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

Putin and the Russians will be laughing their arses off.

France will wake up and realized the Germans have screwed them once more and the Belgiums and Dutch will realize their danger.

Of course the Ukraine,which has been hell bent on protecting its Christianity from the Russians, will be swamped with the thing they dreaded most.

Their Muslim neighbors.

Yugoslavia has woken up.

Italy has aided and abetted Germany in the south.

Scandinavia, how sad a proud region has succumbed to this.

What a cluster fuck Merkel has made of this.

all the while the waring between the Muslim tribes just continues on unabated.

Sooner oil hits $25.00 and the Saudi’s go broke the better.

As I said at the start.

Serendipity for the Germans.
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September 14, 2015 7:20am
Viking2

A couple of good reads this morning.

Whats happening in china.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/71960711/rod-oram-preparing-for-economic-pain

What we need to be doing a lot more of in China.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/71999809/zn-trade-to-open-nz-centre-for-businesses-in-china

Instead of fucking about with the UN here’s where the action is. Lets take our UN budget and spend it where it will increase our wealth as a country.

Lets take MFat and shift it’s focus to doing stuff NZ needs done. Not saving the world or whatever nefarious shit they so.
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September 14, 2015 7:28am
Inandout

Chuck Bird : Why hasn’t this Sydney lawyer got permanent name suppression for his incest, like we do it in NZ?
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