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SPC

Odakyu-sen, the German government does not conflate the freedom of the people to determine their own family size, with

1. Germany being in the EU which has a free labour market.
2. allowing business to hire EU labour
3. taking in refugees.
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September 11, 2015 6:41pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDsPWmioSHg

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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September 11, 2015 6:48pm
Griff

Missing jb there reid
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September 11, 2015 6:50pm
Odakyu-sen

SPC,

What if the German government uses refugees as a proxy for population regulation?
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September 11, 2015 6:57pm
EAD

When David Icke went on Wogan back in 1991 talking about a conspiracy of dark forces controlling world events he was laughed off the stage. When he went back on Wogan in 2006 saying the same thing not so many people were laughing. Check the video on youtube if you don’t believe me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvgqAA_-owY

In particular watch the section from 3.25-4.45and 5.40 – 8.35

The fairly apparent stupidity here on this blog is the galloping mentals assuming all “conspiracy theories” are equal. Alleging that JFK was taken out by his own security apparatus, or that there is a deliberate plan to food the West with Muslims in order to install a Police State and a Christian/Islamic War, or the elimination of gold from the monetary system in order to soak the world in perpetual debt is far different from alleging the Queen is a shape-shifting reptilian alien or that Paul McCartney is dead.

But certain members of this blog (and the wider public) – to whom this article is addressed – think they’re equal, not being able to think for themselves

That is why Reid refers to you as sheeple.
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September 11, 2015 6:58pm
nasska

Here you are Reid….. https://www.dropbox.com/s/tv7mdlogkyy8u8w/Sheep%2040.jpg?dl=0

Print it out & hang it on the wall. 🙂
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September 11, 2015 7:01pm
SPC

Odakyu-sen, people are not intentionally determining a national population level when they make family related decisions.

In the case of Japan, the culture of long work hours in service to the company – means that if women work they do not have children, if they have children they do not work. That is, because women now work the population is falling.

That has economic consequences, it means robot workers and falling consumer demand – deflation. Japan chose this over immigration or changing their company work practices – to cater to women workers who wanted to work and have children.

Germany observing this, and in a different circumstance because it is part of the EU, chose otherwise.
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September 11, 2015 7:04pm
AgentBallSack

That is why Reid refers to you as sheeple.

Thank god for that I thought it was the superiority complex kicking in again.
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September 11, 2015 7:07pm
AgentBallSack

Trying to understand Reid and EAD? Don’t worry you’re not alone.

The horrific 9/11/01 attacks on the World Trade Center have also been blamed on the government as a way to get us into war in Iraq. Another version of this plot is that the Israelis attacked the World Trade Center in order to blame it on the Arabs.

One last example of these theories is that the United States never did land on the moon and that the entire thing was a charade to fool the world during the Cold War.

The list of these theories can go on for some time.

What are the reasons for these beliefs in plots and why do they all involve government cover-ups?

Psychologists have been speculating for some time about this.

https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/paranoia-and-conspiracy-theories/
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September 11, 2015 7:14pm
SPC

EAD, keeping gold in the monetary system just pushes up the price of gold, it is no guarantee that debt will not grow as it has. Nations were in debt while the gold standard was around.

An inflated value to gold is a wet dream for gold mine owners and nations with gold reserves.
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September 11, 2015 7:14pm
nasska

A wingnut is someone on the far-right wing or far-left wing of the political spectrum – the professional partisans, the unhinged activists and the paranoid conspiracy theorists. They’re the people who always try to divide rather than unite us.

John Avlon
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September 11, 2015 7:16pm
SPC

nasska, what if you don’t trust those offering central leadership who claim there is no alternative?

That conspiracy theory may be well founded.
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September 11, 2015 7:21pm
AgentBallSack

SPC
“….Syria provides the tenants to sustain housing values – landlords and bankers happy. Syria provides the extra labour. This keeps the right wing establishment happy. The liberal left is content that Germany gets to do the noble thing to resolve this part of the refugee problem.”

Whats going to happen when the Germans realise the Syrians don’t want to be their drone workforce, but want the benefits of living in an opulent society that instead caters for their every whim if you just have more children?
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September 11, 2015 7:21pm
SPC

ABS, Germans have the lowest birth rate in the world, so I guess the incentives to just be a breeder are not as strong in nations with well paid jobs.
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September 11, 2015 7:25pm
AgentBallSack

Just looking into the German welfare system. It looks better than ours in some respects, however there is this:

If a worker is not eligible for the full unemployment benefits or after receiving the full unemployment benefit for the maximum of 12 months, he is able to apply for benefits from the so-called Arbeitslosengeld II (Hartz IV) programme, an open-ended welfare programme which, unlike the US system, ensures people do not fall into penury. A person receiving Hartz IV benefits is paid 399 EUR (2015) a month for living expenses plus the cost of adequate housing (including heating) and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner including their children. Additionally, children can get “benefits for education and participation”. Germany does not have an EBT (electronic benefits transfer) card system in place and, instead, disburses welfare in cash or via direct deposit onto the recipient’s bank account.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_benefits#Germany
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September 11, 2015 7:27pm
nasska

….”That conspiracy theory may be well founded.”….

I’m a total skeptic SPC…..I believe 10% of what I read & less of what I hear especially if I suspect a political spin doctor has been within kilometres of a statement.

But I tend to ignore conspiracy theories on two grounds. One is the impossibility of getting hundreds or thousands of people to lie like flounders without someone tripping up or selling out.

The other is never to attribute to malice what is almost certainly due to incompetency.
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September 11, 2015 7:31pm
AgentBallSack

So essentially the Syrians are expected to take the low education trades as German workers are generally highly skilled. Can’t wait for the Syrian version of “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, – “Die Christian Pig”
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September 11, 2015 7:32pm
Longknives

Anyone remember the 2007 Rugby World Cup there was a family of All Black supporters who had been allegedly ripped off by fraudsters and Campbell Live started fundraising for them to get to the Tournament??
Then it turned out they were a family of Fraudsters…

I’m not saying this is the same but Jesus I’d want some proof before I parted with any cash…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/71977317/fouryearold-with-fake-abs-tickets-inundated-with-offers
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September 11, 2015 7:32pm
Griff

Giday d4j
I know why you always down tick some of us…. because we think you are are a toe jam sucking angry little twerp.
but
What you got against ball sack ?
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September 11, 2015 7:33pm
nasska

…..”Germany does not have an EBT (electronic benefits transfer) card system in place and, instead, disburses welfare in cash or via direct deposit onto the recipient’s bank account.”…..

They make the same mistake as we do. Pay benefits by voucher & our workforce participation would swell overnight.
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September 11, 2015 7:34pm
Reid

Cheers for that EAD, most appreciated. Wogan’s typical isn’t he. Poor bastard. Seriously, you have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with people who spend their whole lives in an industry like the news whose job it is to explain things and yet they wind up knowing nothing whatsoever about the way the world really does work.

Lots of people like that, aren’t there.

Maybe it’s the bimbo factor. If you’re not one, you never get promoted.
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September 11, 2015 7:34pm
SPC

nasska, it is not a conspiracy theory that politicians lie that nations are dependent on them for central leadership – it is just the arrogance required of them to be politicians.

Surprisingly … nations find when they stop electing them that they were not that necessary.
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September 11, 2015 7:38pm
AgentBallSack

but
What you got against ball sack ?

Because I have the best name in the blogosphere Griff? 😀

Other than that, what has he got against ballsack? starboards chin.
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September 11, 2015 7:42pm
SPC

ABS, sounds like Germany has 12 months unemployment insurance at a job related pay rate.

We should do the same, it certainly helps budget planning if economic shocks are less severe because workers have recourse to this reserve when they lose their jobs – it keeps the economy ticking over at these times so recovery is quicker. And it saves the government from budget blow out from unemployment benefit cost increase.
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September 11, 2015 7:43pm
AgentBallSack

I remember D4J when he was allowed on Whaleoil v1. He was angry bastard with lots of ranting and caps. Pretty sure I have known about 4 incarnations of UT as well.
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September 11, 2015 7:45pm
nasska

….”Surprisingly … nations find when they stop electing them that they were not that necessary.”….

Politicians are a necessary evil if we are to retain democracy SPC. What do you substitute them with?
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September 11, 2015 7:45pm
AgentBallSack

SPC I agree with a percentage of wages paid as unemployment insurance – we have it already as Kiwisaver but its bloody near impossible to get the money out. We have it as a private insurance, it should be made compulsory. If it’s gaining interest and you never use it, then it should be paid as a lump sum at retirement.
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September 11, 2015 7:47pm
cha

the galloping mentals

Oops….
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September 11, 2015 7:48pm
SPC

nasska, you don’t you make political satire compulsory via free to air etc at equal funding to political parties.

The Civilian Party should have had this as their main policy.
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September 11, 2015 7:49pm
AgentBallSack

Reid they need people who know fuck all to read the news because of the entertainment factor. News is hatchet jobs, personalities, tragedy porn, sports and celebrity porn. Maybe a feely thrown in when theyre short of porn.
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September 11, 2015 7:53pm
SPC

In Italy politics is no joke, no economic growth since joining the euro, so they elect a comedian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beppe_Grillo
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September 11, 2015 7:55pm
Reid

I tend to ignore conspiracy theories on two grounds. One is the impossibility of getting hundreds or thousands of people to lie like flounders without someone tripping up or selling out.

Firstly, just because you don’t know how to do it doesn’t mean other people brighter than you haven’t worked it out. Secondly, why do you hallucinate it would take hundreds or thousands? Just a few key people and the rest just follow orders, just like they do every day of every year of every decade. It’s not rocket science, but the thing is, that issue is what stops a lot of people even thinking about it, so they don’t. Therefore they miss the fact that once you start thinking about it, pretty soon you realise, aw yeah, they could have done it if they had done it like that….

The other is never to attribute to malice what is almost certainly due to incompetency.

The older people get the wiser they become. And the wiser people become the more they recognise the fundamental truth of people like the ancient Grecian called Bias one of the ten sages of Greece who is famous for saying: “Most men are bad”

If you knew what I know nasska you would recognise design is present in many things where you had previously assumed random events.

Look at JFK. Was that random?

Gulf of Tonkin incident that started Vietnam. Was that random?

USS Liberty. Was that random?

The discernment, knowledge and skill comes in when you think:

Boston Bombing. Was that random?

Port Arthur shooting. Was that random?

Lindt Cafe shooting. Was that random?

For example. Hundreds of others. Large and small.

Some of them may be. Others may not be.

But if you apply the: if it wasn’t random therefore hundreds if not thousands would have HAD to have known therefore.. blah blah blah, then in that case, you’re unlikely to ever uncover any new knowledge about the world.

And if you think that’s a healthy state to be in, then I’m surprised, because the only animals who don’t care to advance themselves are those who are happy simply to chew the cud. And I know you’re not one of those.
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September 11, 2015 7:55pm
Reid

And the sheeple go:

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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September 11, 2015 8:03pm
AgentBallSack

sooooo… EAD = REID = REDBAITER
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September 11, 2015 8:07pm
cricko

Some time ago,

I asked my mate John Douglas, ex FBI Special Agent (and with Robert Ressler, one of the origional criminal profilers) to draw up a profile on one, ‘Scott Chris’ based on Scotts submissions to kiwiblog.

He produced a profile for us, and at that time Scott Chris himself read it and acknowledged that it was spot on accurate.

John Douglas is back in town and has agreed to update his profile.

Watch this space tomorrow.
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September 11, 2015 8:11pm
nasska

You & I come to our conclusions in two different ways Reid.

Your modus operandi is to take an occurrence or an utterance as having been contrived or invented. You take little or nothing at face value. You then peel the onion until you find the “truth” you are seeking…..not one skin more nor one skin less. Like EAD the answer you get is preordained.

I favour the logic of events occurring at random. There is no great design or conspiracies. What we have instead are very clever people who are able to take advantage of the resultant confusion & use it to their own ends. Most of these people are megalomaniacs & they cause much suffering from their actions.

They don’t however wield the power to create outcomes…..just react to the cards that are dealt.
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September 11, 2015 8:11pm
SPC

Random is, red bart = red baiter = reid shorts, coz we all know posing a killer as part of a conspiracy theory is going to slander someone.
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September 11, 2015 8:12pm
AgentBallSack

ooooh cricko, get him to do starboard.
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September 11, 2015 8:13pm
cha

The front page side bar – Craig serves Stringer.
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September 11, 2015 8:19pm
AgentBallSack

I prefer to be a healthy skeptic. Comes from working with whores when I was younger.
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September 11, 2015 8:22pm
Reid

You then peel the onion until you find the “truth” you are seeking

Yes you and mm are on the same page there nasska. It’s not the case. I’m a logician. That’s my profession. I’m not interested in anything unless it’s logical. Always have been, always will be. Logic unlike politics BTW does not rely on popular opinion for its validity.

..just react to the cards that are dealt.

What if the “cards that are dealt” are pointing to say, something that could possibly see your neighbour shoot himself because he’ll be bankrupt if what you’re seeing comes about? What would you do, then? Even if your neighbour wasn’t seeing the same cards?
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September 11, 2015 8:24pm
nasska

….”The front page side bar – Craig serves Stringer.”…..

It doesn’t get better than this…..two religious conservative freaks eating each other.

I’ve got to back one of them though. Go John!! 🙂
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September 11, 2015 8:25pm
nasska

….” What would you do, then?”…..

I would have to make a judgement call & act (or not) based on the individual circumstances Reid.

There is no objective answer.
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September 11, 2015 8:29pm
SPC

So the phony war has got real, who will establish the second front to this.
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September 11, 2015 8:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s something for you conspiracy bods

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11511684
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September 11, 2015 8:39pm
AgentBallSack

I can imagine Reids neighbor shooting himself. Just for that reason.

I can also imagine the chorus of MAAAAAAAAAAAAA’s from over the fence as they load his body into the hearse. Wilson style with the deerstalker and crazy eyes, ALA Home Improvement,
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September 11, 2015 8:45pm
AgentBallSack

Maggy, think that will get the press coverage the dead kid got?

” Ms Abbas said Mr Kurdi was the driver of the boat, and the man she paid to book her passage told her it would be safe because the driver was taking his wife and two children.

“When I lost my kids, I lost my life, how can he lie to the media?” her cousin Ms Tahseen said, translating for Ms Abbas.”

He said, ‘Please don’t dob me in.’ That was in the water.”

Ms Abbas said Mr Kurdi was speeding in the overcrowded boat, which did not have enough life jackets.”
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September 11, 2015 9:05pm
Nookin

ABS

To be fair to cricko, his mate John Douglas did a pretty good profile on Oscar Wilde. I thought he was long since dead, though. Still, we know that Cricko lives in another dimension.
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September 11, 2015 9:17pm
graphite

For something to do between races at Addington tonight, I read more of the comments here than sanity says I should and came across this:

“The fairly apparent stupidity here on this blog is the galloping mentals assuming all ‘conspiracy theories’ are equal. Alleging that JFK was taken out by his own security apparatus, or that there is a deliberate plan to food the West with Muslims in order to install a Police State and a Christian/Islamic War, or the elimination of gold from the monetary system in order to soak the world in perpetual debt is far different from alleging the Queen is a shape-shifting reptilian alien or that Paul McCartney is dead.”

JFK taken out by his own security people . . . yeah, that’s a daft one.

A plan to flood (I’m taking “food” to be a typo) the West with Muslims . . . yep, it’s bad, but a clusterfuck rather than deliberate, another nutty one.

Eliminate gold from the monetary system etc etc . . . well, sticking to a gold standard is the dopey way to go so that theory is obviously another wacko.

But, bugger me, I read on and these are trumped by a reptilian Queen and a dead Paul McCartney. The first three are considered genuine.

My god! Someone’s not taking their medication. One of our villages has an extra idiot. Is it possible to function as an adult with a brain filled with this sort of stuff.

What have I stumbled into? Have reptiles taken over? Aaaaarrrrrgh. It’s catching! I’m doomed.
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September 11, 2015 9:32pm
cricko

Nookin @ 9.17

then you thought wrong.

What a suprise.

It’s obvious that you know Jack Shit.

(PS who authorised a boofhead like you to speak for WE ?)
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September 11, 2015 9:35pm
cricko

Waiting for Nookin or his admiriati to explain how they are authorised to speak for ‘We”

Weak as piss Nookin.

Pull your head in.
Before I kick it off.
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September 11, 2015 9:47pm
Nookin

Cheap turps tonight, cricko?
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September 11, 2015 9:47pm
cricko

So there @ 9.47 we see the extent of the wit of a frickin boofhead like Nookin.

Cringeworthy.

And this weak as shit article thinks he gains some creditability by professing to speak for “WE”

Pathetic.
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September 11, 2015 9:50pm
Nookin

“Pull your head in
Before I kick it off”

And cricko focusses the full extent of his intellectual capacity on a suitable rejoinder………
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September 11, 2015 9:55pm
stigie

* Hic *
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September 11, 2015 9:56pm
cricko

Have another try Nookin

You seem to lack the intellect to ……………….

C’mon, give it your best shot you cretin.

And his weak as piss mate stigie chimes in with his typical profound contribution, ‘Hic”

‘Kin idiots.
Anyway others will decide.
G’nite all.
And good luck to your families.
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September 11, 2015 9:58pm
stigie

It’s the cheap turps Beryl !~
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September 11, 2015 10:03pm
AgentBallSack

graphite…not only is it catching, its curiously addictive. Like watching a game of slaps between mental patients.
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September 11, 2015 10:05pm
Nookin

A bit like this?

https://vimeo.com/52002225
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September 11, 2015 10:13pm
EAD

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/10/rut-roh-a-refugee-relief-supply-cargo-container-arrives-in-greece-devoid-of-refugee-relief-supplies/

Genocide on the way?
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