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All_on_Red

Planned Parenthood isn’t the only provider of services to women in the U.S.. There are many companies and of course it’s covered by Obamacare- well supposedly.
Some States like New Jersey (Chris Christie) got rid of PP over six years ago and it’s made no difference.
Most of the debate in the U.S. between the mainstream factions is at what stage the foetus can be aborted, not that abortion shouldn’t be allowed, ie the majority is Pro Choice.
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August 6, 2015 8:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@stephieboy

I think we can be concerned about some NZ Christians, too
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/70884313/former-southland-church-elder-jailed
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August 6, 2015 8:18pm
Griff

No yummy grub for Griff until Friday night .
Every second weekend with the GF I get yummy imaginative cooked food.
Its boy food between her cooking efforts .
Whatever is easy to open…….
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August 6, 2015 8:19pm
All_on_Red

Oh dear, not good for Hillary
“The FBI investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s unsecured e-mail account is not just a fact-finding venture — it’s a criminal probe, sources told The Post on Wednesday.
The feds are investigating to what extent Clinton relied on her home server and other private devices to send and store classified documents, according to a federal source with knowledge of the inquiry.
“It’s definitely a criminal probe,” said the source. “I’m not sure why they’re not calling it a criminal probe.
“The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances,” but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. “In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.”
http://nypost.com/2015/08/05/fbi-investigation-of-hillarys-emails-is-criminal-probe/
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August 6, 2015 8:22pm
Dave_1924

John Campbell to National Radio… no surprises. A nice SAFE job at the state broadcaster and a nice big taxpayers funded salary to go with it.

Why didn’t JC do the risky, edgy thing and start his own show webcast to the world, where he could have crusaded to his hearts content? Surely with the all the endless compliments and gnashing of teeth seen when TV3 axed his show the Lefties would have flocked to it – and sponsors and subscribers would have flooded in to make such a show viable and independently funded so its editorial line would have been what JC wanted…..

Suppose there where no guarantees of nice trim soy lattes in Grey Lynn in that approach so a nice state job was best….

To think some of my taxes will now pay his wage and his endless campaigns…..
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August 6, 2015 8:28pm
Shawn Herles

“holding back the anti-vaxers and anti-abortionistas.”

Just to be clear Maggie I’m on Griff’s side as far as the vaccination debate is concerned.
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August 6, 2015 8:29pm
All_on_Red

Ouch, this cutting
“I’m sure the whole “death to America” and “Great Satan” thing is just hyperbole. They’re really just a bunch of peace loving moderates who want to live in peace and embrace western values of democracy and equality, right?
Besides, as Obama said today, “The choice we face is ultimately between diplomacy or some form of war. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not three months from now, but soon.” So in Obama’s worldview, the choice is between: (1) near-term, conventional war with Iran; or (2) kicking the can down the road (until after Obama leaves office), and accepting the possibility of Iranian nuclear aggression against Israel or the U.S.
The fact that President Obama cannot even envision a middle ground between these two extremes–such as the possibility that continued or enhanced sanctions could leverage greater limitations on Iran’s nuclear program or even create pressure for meaningful, democratic regime change–is what strikes me as most disturbing. A president who sees major foreign policy issues in such stark “you’re either with me, or you’re a war monger” terms is a dangerous, divisive leader.
In President Obama’s narcissistic quest to achieve a legacy of “diplomacy” with America’s enemies abroad, he is remarkably incapable of evincing any diplomacy at all domestically, with fellow Americans who dare to criticize him.”
Glenn Reynolds

Alan Dershowitz has also said today that Obamas deal is not binding and the next President can change it. Congress may also prevent the release of funds.
Checks and balance huh.
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August 6, 2015 8:30pm
nasska

….”I’m on Griff’s side as far as the vaccination debate is concerned.”…..

There’s hope for you yet Shawn. How’s the welding going?
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August 6, 2015 8:31pm
Shawn Herles

This one is for Reid. It’s a line by line demolition of the neo-Nazi propaganda film “Hellstorm” he has been peddling here, a faux “documentary” that portrays Hitler and the Nazis as the good guys and claims the war against the Nazi state was promoted by jealous Jews.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3f08ou/the_documentary_hellstorm/
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August 6, 2015 8:33pm
Shawn Herles

“How’s the welding going?”

Very well thanks. Still have a few more classes to go, but I already have a job waiting, at which point I will likely be to bloody tired to post here much, which will make thw Liberals and the Tin Foil Hat Club very happy! 😉

Good night all.
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August 6, 2015 8:36pm
EAD

You won’t see the MSM covering this – probably because the NWO owns just about all MSM outlets:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/05/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values. Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”

In his state of the nation address, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of ‘traditional values’ against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into ‘chaotic darkness.’
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August 6, 2015 8:38pm
mikenmild

I think Reid already pushed that piece of nonsense today, but thank you anyway EAD.
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August 6, 2015 8:44pm
Griff

In his state of the nation address, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of ‘traditional values’ against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into ‘chaotic darkness.’

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Authoritarian parties

Authoritarian type parties on the hard-left and hard-right may not represent the furthest ends of the political spectrum but still mirror each other in significant ways.

Take the anti-pragmatic side of the United States Republican Party (especially the Religious Right) and compare it to the modern Communist Party of the Russian Federation and you can find quite a few similarities (besides the obvious one that both are ideologues focused on the “purity” of their movement), especially on social policies. In fact, if each party’s leaders avoided talking to each other about economics they would find more common ground than they may expect, especially considering their vehement hatred for each other. For instance:

Both strongly endorse “tough on crime” policies and the death penalty.[1]
Both strongly support “traditional values,” meaning hardcore social conservatism, hostility to LGBT rights, and pro-life attitudes.[2]
Both have weaknesses for conspiracy theories, especially the conspiracy theory that there is some deliberate effort to destroy morality.[3][4]
Both are convinced the media is heavily biased against them.[5][6]
Both are fervently patriotic and support some form of nationalism while holding the belief that each of their countries are the greatest in the world. This leads to some supporting a degree of historical revisionism as well.[7][8][9]
Both are reactionary in nature and extremely nostalgic for some sort of “golden age” (Stalin for the commies,[10] Ronald Reagan or the 50’s[11][12] for the GOP).
Both support increasing spending on an even larger national defense while rarely questioning if it’s necessary. Also, they both tend to admire “masculinity” and militarism.
Both have a weakness for “boogeymen,” with liberals being a common target for both parties.
Both make populist appeals to the lower classes, mainly by promising to cut their taxes,[13] regardless of whether it will be done or whether it can be afforded.
Both have a love of dramatic rhetoric, even by political standards.
Both support largely discredited economic crankery that is usually defended with “common sense” type arguments.
Both have strands of anti-intellectualism, with intellectuals who question them being seen as “elitist.”
Both are currently trying to appeal to the religious majority in each of their respective countries, with even CPRF leader Zyuganov citing the “spiritual values” of communism in his speeches to appeal to followers of the Russian Orthodox Church, despite the party being historically atheist.[14]
Both support censorship, and passing legislation to stop the “degradation” of national symbols.[15]
Both, hilariously, blame each other for the supposed “degradation” of art, literature, culture, and philosophy. The commies claim that the embrace of capitalism has left these areas bland because artists are only concerned about profit, not quality,[16] whereas the Republicans like to say that “leftists” or “secularists” have ruined these areas because their “hostility” to religion has harmed creativity.
Both like to reference revolutionary heroes from their nation’s past in their arguments,[17] usually by claiming that they are fighting for the same values they were, which is commonly followed up by saying that what they stand for is “True American/Russian values,” whereas their opponents stand for evil/radicalism. They may also liken themselves to being the “underdogs” in their current fight, like said revolutionary leaders. Expect for these historical figures to be glorified and their flaws to be ignored/excused/downplayed.[18][19]

(At least on the Republican side, none of this is new: at the height of the New Left movement and the hippie tendency, Americans were regularly regaled with encomia favourably comparing Soviet youth to our own, the Soviets’ supposedly being sober, patriotic, sexually puritanical, (if male) short-haired (and never draft-dodging), never foul-mouthed, and eagerly doing as they were told. This was usually presented as a ‘this is why we’re in danger from them, our decadence will doom us’ argument, but the admiration was patently unmistakable. If only Soviet youth had been permitted to hear these: they could have used a good laugh.)

Bob Altemeyer’s research backs the theory that authoritarian types tend to mirror each other, even if they aren’t as extreme to the right or left as they could be.
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August 6, 2015 8:49pm
Odakyu-sen

Shawn,

You can complete your course and then go off and see the weld.

(I’ll get my coat…)
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August 6, 2015 8:49pm
mikenmild

He’ll be soldering on…
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August 6, 2015 8:57pm
nasska

Vaudeville never died! 🙂
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August 6, 2015 9:00pm
Griff

Weld you would say that.
Maybe he could be the next good thing for penny
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August 6, 2015 9:01pm
cha

Barry knew who the real enemy was.

“What I was talking about was more or less ‘conservative,’ ” Goldwater recalls, saying he was smeared by the people around President Johnson – “the most dishonest man we ever had in the presidency.” Goldwater continues:

“The oldest philosophy in the world is conservatism, and I go clear back to the first Greeks. … When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater072894.htm
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August 6, 2015 9:03pm
mikenmild

David Garrett could have competition.
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August 6, 2015 9:04pm
nasska

To:
Kris Faafoi
MP Mana.

Dear Kris

There was a freezing cold draught blowing through the living room of my state house. I rang the Housing Corporation at least seven times for them to come & fix it but the useless bastards did sod all.

Eventually it got so bad, I had to get up off the settee & shut the fucking window myself.

Sincerely

A Labour Voter
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August 6, 2015 9:07pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles (10,084 comments) says:
August 6th, 2015 at 8:33 pm

This one is for Reid. It’s a line by line demolition of the neo-Nazi propaganda film “Hellstorm” he has been peddling here, a faux “documentary” that portrays Hitler and the Nazis as the good guys and claims the war against the Nazi state was promoted by jealous Jews.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3f08ou/the_documentary_hellstorm/

Good to see we can agree on something . Goodrich is of course an undiluted Holocaust denier and Jew hater .His movie is a litany and testimony to that fact . !

We should be not therefore surprised that it finds favour with Reid and music to his ears !
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August 6, 2015 9:22pm
Manolo

Russia on the offensive: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/06/russia-hacks-pentagon-computers-nbc-citing-sources.html?__source=newsletter|breakingnews

U.S. officials tell NBC News that Russia launched a “sophisticated cyberattack” against the Pentagon’s Joint Staff unclassified email system, which has been shut down and taken offline for nearly two weeks.
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