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August 5, 2015 11:13am by David Farrar

General Debate 5 August 2015

My bad. KP is away, and I forgot!

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nasska

Don’t know if my grandkids or even the fruit of their loins will blame me personally for the state of the world Reid.

Mind you if I was one of those who believed that two penguins walked up from the South Pole to the Mediterranean to go for a cruise on an ark then I would expect them to have me sectioned. 🙂
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August 5, 2015 8:16pm
Shawn Herles

Whither Human Dignity in the Secular Age?

“In a recent article in The New Yorker, Rachel Aviv depicts how Belgium has “embraced euthanasia as a humanist issue.” Not only the terminally ill, or even those in intense pain, but also those suffering from depression may receive “The Death Treatment” and be treated to a “dignified death” through a fatal chemical cocktail. How did we “progress” as a society to the point where our major magazines seriously question when (not whether, but when) people, including those who might live for decades, should be “helped to die?” ”

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/08/whither-human-dignity-in-the-secular-age.html
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August 5, 2015 8:23pm
stephieboy

Reid, our grand children, great , great children any way beyond will be eternally grateful for debunking below and other kinds of Cter wacko nonsense that you, EAD, Ugly Truth, wiki are infamous for,

http://whatculture.com/offbeat/10-hilariously-stupid-conspiracy-theories-people-actually-believe.php/10
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August 5, 2015 8:25pm
Shawn Herles

” but for a sustained flow of nonsense there is no more reliable source than some of the regular Kiwiblog commenters.”

True mike, but I doubt you are going to stop your sustained flow of nonsense anytime soon, so we are stuck with it. 🙂

Edit: I don’t agree with EAD’s brainwashing/sheeple idea either. Liberals are not brainwashed sheep, just profoundly misguided. 😉
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August 5, 2015 8:26pm
Shawn Herles

And speaking of Liberals being profoundly misguided…

The Disordered Loves of the Liberal Media

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/08/the-disordered-loves-of-the-liberal-media-cecil-the-lion.html
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August 5, 2015 8:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bob Jones has got his jet…. no more Air NZ flights and “hostess babble”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/luxury/70864065/sir-bob-jones-buys-private-jet-and-takes-aim-at-infantile-air-nz
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August 5, 2015 8:30pm
nasska

Better that we don’t take any chances with Belgium’s legislation then Shawn.

We should take a look at Oregon’s law on assisted suicide which has worked well since 1997.
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August 5, 2015 8:32pm
Griff

http://www.theimaginativeconservative
more like the deluded Conservative .

Over the course of the last couple of weeks, we have been privy to the barbaric banality of callous conversations with Planned Parenthood senior officials purportedly involving the illegal trafficking of dead baby parts.

Except it is not illegal
They are allowed to recover costs.
In fact I can see no problem with making use of the tissue beside religious objection to abortion .
Neither can the ethical committees that control such things.
http://nuffieldbioethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Human-tissue.pdf
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August 5, 2015 8:44pm
Reid

Sheeple note #8

Does anyone really truly believe this dude was the ringleader of the Libor scandal?

And what does this say about justice, in the home of democracy and British law.

They clearly can’t bring themselves even to prosecute the lower echelon of the guilty – the managers, let alone the real guilty parties, the board members.

No.

Of course not.

And what do the sheeple do as one of their own gets a 14 year stretch (at the same time as kiddie fiddlers and murderers get far, far less)?

Why, nothing, of course.

Most of the silly ole sheeple didn’t even know it was happening, did you.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/03/former-city-trader-tom-hayes-convicted-of-libor-rigging
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August 5, 2015 8:44pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles,

Misguided Liberals ???

Planned Parenthood Isn’t Selling Baby Parts: Unpacking the Lies in a New Undercover Video

The pro-life world has been buzzing all day about a new video released by the anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress (CMP). It shows a Planned Parenthood executive, Dr. Deborah Nucatola (below), discussing how the group preserves organs from aborted fetuses for research purposes. She also mentions the costs of shipping those organs to scientists.

So, of course, the conservative storyline is that Planned Parenthood is “sell[ing] the body parts of infants” for cash… which, despite making for a great headline, contains very little truth. (Sarah Palin would be proud.)…”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/07/14/planned-parenthood-isnt-selling-baby-parts-unpacking-the-lies-in-a-new-undercover-video/

I now shudder if your lot on the Christian Republican Right get your hands on the reigns of power 2016.
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August 5, 2015 9:00pm
nasska

O Dear Lord Most High, Dear God of the Universe, Protect Us From Your Followers.
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August 5, 2015 9:11pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Donald Trump says he will bring home jobs, economists say it will destroy the economy – apparently not appreciating that the effort is not to bring home each single job claimed to have been lost, but rather grow employment in the US by competing internationally on not only price but quality and reliability. I imagine amongst his competing Presidential aspirants none will argue against that.
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August 5, 2015 9:11pm
Griff

I dont think we need worry nasska
They are that deluded and fringe that they are rapidly becoming unelectable .
Do you really think that trump could win.
Would you vote for such a loon ?
Most moderates will not .
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-voters-discount-electability-now
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August 5, 2015 9:17pm
EAD

Reid,

Just another Patsy like the Boston Bomber, Aurora shooter, Port Arthur shooter etc. so it can look like justice is being done while their agenda is advanced.
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August 5, 2015 9:20pm
nasska

I don’t know much about American politics Griff but it strikes me that Trump is going to cause the GOP a lot of grief. He’s pushing the right buttons to connect with the voters yet the Republican Party powers that be don’t want a bar of him.

At the end it may be the “anything or anybody but Hilary” vote that carries the day.
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August 5, 2015 9:25pm
AgentBallSack

Reid and EAD proving that a circle jerk of mutual agreement calling people stupid = The Standard
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August 5, 2015 9:31pm
Grant

The Port Arthur shooter as well now??? Well I never.
What about the Aramoana bloke? Surely he is a part of their agenda too. David Bain must be there or thereabouts as well??
G
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August 5, 2015 9:43pm
mikenmild

You need to understand that in the EAD/Reid world, every large scale crime is a ‘false flag’ operation designed to…well, I’ll let them explain that…
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August 5, 2015 9:50pm
rightoverlabour

WTF ???? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/70849424/Mother-admits-selling-daughter-14-for-sex

Don’t know actually what to say here. The offending began when the daughter was 9.
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August 5, 2015 11:11pm
Dennis Horne

When it comes to a woolly thought
His defences come to naught
The more outrageous
The more audacious
And he hoists his own petard taut
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August 6, 2015 6:29am
Manolo

Meeting of great minds: the smoke-seller et al. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pope-francis-invites-oprah-ari-813032

The pontiff has shortlisted Hollywood heavy-hitters for a special meeting at the Vatican this fall. The topic? Improving the church’s portrayal in Western entertainment.
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August 6, 2015 6:41am
mikenmild

Dennis
You can’t hoist a petard, it’s not a sort of flag. A petard is a type of bomb used in the late middle ages to attack castle walls. Sometimes they would explode prematurely, leading to the bearer being ‘hoist with his own petard’.
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August 6, 2015 7:14am
EAD

Martin Bryant is probably being set up as the Patsy for the Port Arthur Massacre is one of the biggest injustices of all time.

There were thirty-five deaths, but NO coronial inquest, NO trial, and NO full and public inquiry. WHY?

Martin, who has the intellectual age of a 10-year-old boy, was set up, misused and abused, then betrayed by the legal profession, then imprisoned for life by some POS who called himself Justice. It was John Avery who pressured this boy to change his plea because Avery was, as he said, “sensitive to the needs of the community”.

To get Martin to change his plea in 1996, this 10-year-old boy was illegally kept in solitary confinement and he was denied a personal guardian (required by law as per a 1994 court decision based on his mental incapacity) and an ethical lawyer. Not only did Avery let all this happen he ensured it happened by not defending his client.

Martin was told it was for his own good that he plead guilty. Martin has an IQ of 66. He had no adult comprehension of his circumstances before the incidents at Port Arthur and Seascape, and certainly none after.

Start putting two and two together and it doesn’t take long to figure out that Martin was set up to take the fall.

The Australian people were betrayed by their own leaders in order to disarm them.

READ THE FACTS:
http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/conspiracy_fact.html

http://itwillpass.com/nwo_port_arthur_massacre.shtml
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August 6, 2015 7:31am
Dennis Horne

mikenmild. I know that. It’s called doggerel licence. But, explain why you can’t hoist a petard?
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August 6, 2015 7:43am
mikenmild

Well, it’s a portable bomb that you place at the base of a castle wall. So you don’t hoist it; but if it explodes prematurely it hoists you.
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August 6, 2015 7:53am
mikenmild

EAD
Just off hand, can you think of any major crime or terrorist attack that WASN’T a false flag?
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August 6, 2015 7:55am
Manolo

Dennis, pilot, poet and gracious,
these days poetically licentious,
resorting to the old canard,
because he does not know a petard!
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August 6, 2015 7:56am
Manolo

Bibi’s take: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/netanyahu-iran-nuke-deal-will-bring-war/

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rallied more than 10,000 Jewish leaders and activists to reject a recently inked nuclear accord with Iran that the Israeli leader believes “will bring war” to the region and provide the Islamic Republic with a nuclear weapon within 10 to 15 years.
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August 6, 2015 7:59am
Dennis Horne

Well, if you can lift it to the castle then you must be able to hoist it.

But I repeat, its doggerel licence. The essence being Reid shoots himself in the foot. But how can I get that to rhyme?

Off now to do some plain useless, instead of absolutely totally fucking useless … writing on kiwiblog!

Actually, people are corrected about hoisted petards every so often on kiwiblog, I doubt that any regular reader doesn’t know.
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August 6, 2015 8:00am
EAD

You don’t like being presented with the facts do you Mike?

Aramoana, Utoya Island, Woolwich, Columbine off the top of my head are 100% not false flags.

Many other are in the 90-100% were legitimate atrocities

While ones like Port Arthur and 7/7 have so many holes in the official narrative you can drive a bus through it.
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August 6, 2015 8:01am
SGA

Dennis Horne at 8:00 am

Well, if you can lift it to the castle then you must be able to hoist it.

“hoists his own petard taut” – the word “taut” sort of gives it away Dennis 🙂
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August 6, 2015 8:03am
Dennis Horne

Can I call you a nitpicker without establishing you’ve got nits?
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August 6, 2015 8:06am
SGA

@Dennis Horne
You’ll have to forgive me – secretly I’m envious of your skill as a poet 🙂
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August 6, 2015 8:08am
stephieboy

EAD, the alleged holes in the Port Arthur massacre conspiracy are filled here,

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4253

Martyn Bryant no patsy . In the same league as David Gray Aromoana

and Sandy hook ( similar allegations of a belated attempt by Obama to introduce tighter gun control )

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-sandy-hook-newtown-conspiracy-hoax.t1074/

There !

100% certainty no false flag conspiracy in either !
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