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Reid

Western liberals came out in their droves to condemn the slaying of Cecil the Lion in Africa.

How many will now come out to condemn the savage slaughter of a Palestinian infant, Ali Saad Dawabsha, by Jewish terrorists in the West Bank village of Duma?

I think we already know the answer to this question.

For such people the blood of an African lion is more valuable than the blood of a 18 month-old Palestinian child.

Lion lives matter. Others don’t.

Remember sheeple. This is the world you’re responsible for. This is the world your somnolence has wrought. You’re responsible. No-one else. Congratulations.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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August 3, 2015 8:02pm
Dennis Horne

Don: Abortion is disgusting, immoral and anti-human.

Is that your opinion?

Okay.

That’s your opinion.

Thank you for your opinion.
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August 3, 2015 8:03pm
Shawn Herles

Thought so. Never trust Liberal claims.

“Liberals love claiming “red states mooch more than blue states”. Here’s proof that’s baloney.”

http://www.youngcons.com/liberals-love-claiming-red-states-mooch-more-than-blue-states-heres-proof-thats-baloney/
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August 3, 2015 8:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wonder if Penny could organise us one of these public demonstrations?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33754907
I’d be a starter
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August 3, 2015 8:07pm
Viking2

A man walks into a bar and notices his friend sitting alone staring at a tiny man on the table playing the piano.
“Wow, look how small he is, where did you get him?!” Says the man.
“Oh, well there’s this genie round the back of bar, and he grants you whatever wish you want.”
Sure enough, the man goes round the back of the bar and there sits a genie.
“You grant wishes right?”
“Yes.” replies the genie.
“Hmm, I’d like a million bucks.”
Then, out of nowhere, a million ducks appear, and waddle behind the annoyed man as he goes back into the bar.
“Look, that genie gave me ducks instead of bucks!”
His friend sitting at the table replies, “Well yeah, do you really think I asked for a twelve inch pianist?”
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August 3, 2015 8:07pm
Shawn Herles

“It really staggers me that the majority of people here downtick those who strongly disagree with the sale of body parts of aborted foetuses.”

It does not surprise me. Like Islam, Liberalism is a nihilistic death cult. Liberals want to kill babies through abortion, and the sick and elderly through euthanasia.

When it comes to any Life/Death issue, Liberals are always on the side of death, death, and more death.
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August 3, 2015 8:07pm
Griff

fetus is an unborn of any mammal.
1350-1400; Middle English

We are more likely to look back and ask why were so many deluded by such utter garage as gods?
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August 3, 2015 8:08pm
nasska

It would seem that PC has spread to the know all classes. Emotional claptrap such as “unborn human being” vs the medical term of “foetus” would be the best example of “newspeak” I’ve read in months.

Guess it’s all okay if it furthers the cause.
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August 3, 2015 8:08pm
Viking2

Prince Charles is to be given three military titles when he visits New Zealand in November.

The Queen has given her approval for the Prince of Wales to be made Admiral of the fleet of the Royal New Zealand Navy, a Field Marshal for the army and Marshal of the Royal New Zealand Air Force.

Prime Minister John Key announced Prince Charles’ appointments, saying they would be formally recognised during a visit with his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/70786134/prince-charles-given-honorary-military-titles-ahead-of-nz-visit
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So Prince William for Next Governor general.
Said so a long time ago.
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August 3, 2015 8:09pm
Dennis Horne

Was Reid once a crusty old sheeple
Who got his kicks abusing people
Two – Four – Six – Eight
H-A-L-L-U-C-I-N-A-T-E
He seems as high as a steeple
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August 3, 2015 8:15pm
Reid

I don’t do it for kicks Dennis.

I do it because you really are in the Weimar Republic and you really don’t know it.

And so I use whatever tactic is likely to get traction.

And I’ve been here since 2003 and I only started using the sheeple tactic in January this year.

Which shows you how unusual it is.

And I’m doing it now because the shits hitting the fan big time.

And bear in mind I wasn’t doing it before, when millions of people were due to die because of false wars.

But I’m doing it now.

For example have you heard the Greek stock market dropped 23% today on its first opening in five weeks?

Almost a quarter?

Watch Italy.

For example. And that’s just the most meaningless subject in the world: money.

You should see what’s going to happen to the people.

You won’t fucking believe it.

And please don’t turn it into a rhyme mate. It’s too important.
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August 3, 2015 8:21pm
nasska

…..”He seems as high as a steeple”….

He’s down to Earth & demonstrably sane compared to those who believe that a six day old sperm & egg omelet has equivalence to a full term baby.
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August 3, 2015 8:26pm
UglyTruth

Like Islam, Liberalism is a nihilistic death cult.

Yeah, the central tenet of Islam is that you are saved though an innocent man being tortured to death.
Oh wait, that’s your religion isn’t it, Captain Bubblehead?

Pharisee.

And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Surah 4:29
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August 3, 2015 8:29pm
Shawn Herles

“I don’t do it for kicks Dennis.

I do it because you really are in the Weimar Republic and you really don’t know it.”

The problem Reid is that you want to move from the Weimar Republic to the Nazi State.

Here’s a tip. That’s not an improvement.
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August 3, 2015 8:29pm
Shawn Herles

Posting using Microsoft Edge. No adblock so now I see what all the fuss was about with the ads on KB! 🙂

Edge is an extremely good browser, easily as fast as Chrome. But they need to offer support for Chrome and Firefox addons, which they are supposed to be doing over the next three months. Right now it’s a little bare bones. Impressive though. Microsoft is finally on the right track with the browser wars.
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August 3, 2015 8:30pm
Dennis Horne

Reid. Relax. Do you seriously think I can’t see what’s happening?

You can’t do anything. I can’t do anything.

We might as well live in a clockwork universe.

In fact, we might. Ask Nobel (theoretical) physicist Gerardus ‘t Hooft.

I may mock you but please don’t stop contributing.
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August 3, 2015 8:34pm
Griff

As soon as they start talking about little baby’s at eight weeks from conception you know they are challenged by realty.
According to their belief system.
Their compassionate God aborts one in four then condemns them to eternity in limbo.
How do the religoconservatives reconcile that ?
Bet you if one reply’s it will be some ineffable mental gymnastics .
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August 3, 2015 8:34pm
Don the Kiwi

Thank you Dennis for your opinion.

So you are telling me that a human “foetus” is not a human being? And you think that the killing in the womb of a human foetus is okay?

You, Griff and your like thinkers do not realise how low our society has sunk, when we have no qualms at killing the most innocent and helpless of our fellow human beings.
A day of reckoning will come – just pray that it is not in our lifetime.
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August 3, 2015 8:36pm
Shawn Herles

“As soon as they start talking about little baby’s at eight weeks from conception you know they are challenged by realty.”

Biologically speaking an eight week old is a human baby. That IS reality Griff.
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August 3, 2015 8:37pm
nasska

…..”Biologically speaking an eight week old is a human baby.”…..

Let’s clear that up for you…..biologically speaking an eight week old is a “potential” human baby. Stick to what you know & inform the rest of the blogaratti when you imagine the soul is installed.
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August 3, 2015 8:42pm
UglyTruth

Human being: see monster.
Ballentine’s Law Dictionary (1930)
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August 3, 2015 8:45pm
AgentBallSack

Don’t mind me I am just here for the religion and abortion. Wait. I think I just transmogrified myself into the head of the Church of England.
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August 3, 2015 8:46pm
Shawn Herles

“According to their belief system.
Their compassionate God aborts one in four then condemns them to eternity in limbo.”

Where do you get this stuff from Griff?

For a start, limbo is not a Christian doctrine, certainly not a Biblical one. Some notion about it was floated by the RC, but it was never doctrine, and no Protestant or Orthodox church supports the idea.

And even then, limbo was supposed to be a temporary state, not eternal.

All babies go to heaven Griff, all of them. They may inherit our fallen nature, but they are free from personal sin.

Here is what the Bible really says about the issue.

“One of the most often-used weapons in the skeptic’s arsenal is to seize statements from religious people that make God look like a cruel despot waiting to cast any and everyone into a torturous lake of eternal fire. However, this frequently lands the skeptic in a less-than-defensible position when the actual text of the Bible is consulted.

Does the Bible teach that babies go to hell when they die? In order to answer this question, we must find a biblical example in which an infant died, and in which his or her eternal destination is recorded. To do such is not difficult. In 2 Samuel 12, King David’s newborn son fell terminally ill. After seven days, the child died.

In verses 22 and 23, the Bible records that David said: “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.” It is clear that David’s dead infant son would never return to this Earth, but David also said that one day, he would go to be with his son. Through inspiration, David documented that his own eternal destination was going to be “in the house of the Lord” (Psalm 23:6).

Therefore, we can conclude that “the house of the Lord” would be the eternal destination of his infant son to whom David would one day go. King David was looking forward to the day when he would be able to meet his son in heaven. Absolutely nothing in this context gives any hint that the dead infant son’s soul would go to hell.

Furthermore, Jesus said in Matthew 18:3-5: “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.”

And in Luke 18:16-17, Jesus remarked: “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

Therefore, we have been given a specific example in the Old Testament of an infant who died and would live forever in heaven. And Jesus Christ Himself, in the New Testament, stated that little children retain the qualities that make a person eligible to inherit the kingdom of God. We see, then, that infants and small children that die are in a safe state, and will live eternally in heaven.”

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1201
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August 3, 2015 8:46pm
Inandout

nasska: It goes much further-

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_politically_correct_terms
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August 3, 2015 8:46pm
Reid

The problem Reid is that you want to move from the Weimar Republic to the Nazi State.

No I don’t want that at all Shawn.

The fact you think I do is why I call you Captain Bananas.

Do you seriously think I can’t see what’s happening? You can’t do anything. I can’t do anything.

No but if you were in the Weimar Republic Dennis what would you be trying to do, notwithstanding you recognised how fruitless it was?

Would you be doing nothing at all?

Or would you be doing something?

One thing I decided a long time ago.

I’m never walking meekly to my death the way those people did in the black and white film clips.

Fuck that.

And I don’t give a shit if that means I walk onto the end of a bayonet or get slowly sliced into little pieces in front of everyone as an example.

What you see here now is exactly what you’re going to see when we’re all lined up ready to go.

Simple as that.
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August 3, 2015 8:48pm
Shawn Herles

“Let’s clear that up for you…..biologically speaking an eight week old is a “potential” human baby.”

Scientifically wrong. Once conception has taken place, we have a baby. An individual sperm or egg would be “potential” human beings, but not once conception has taken place. The only difference between an eight week old and eight month old baby is age, not it’s ontological status.

The Liberal view that something magical happens at some point where the baby turns into a human being is not science, and certainly not rational. It’s a Liberal myth.
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August 3, 2015 8:50pm
nasska

I know Inandout…..what a mealy mouthed pack of wankers set our standards.

Fortunately PC & a desire not to offend were two bullets I successfully dodged.
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August 3, 2015 8:50pm
mikenmild

Once conception has taken place, we have a baby.

Why does your god ensure that most of such ‘babies’ spontaneously abort?
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August 3, 2015 8:52pm
Shawn Herles

“No I don’t want that at all Shawn.”

So the reason you were promoting a “documentary” made my a neo-Nazi outfit that whitewashed the Nazi regime was just for shits and giggles?
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August 3, 2015 8:53pm
nasska

Still no word on the soul installation Shawn. Surely you don’t expect us to believe that this collection of cells hasn’t been sorted out by the Almighty inside six days.
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August 3, 2015 8:54pm
Griff

John 3:3-5English Standard Version (ESV)

3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[a] he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Not baptized no heaven new testament Jesus zombies words.

Gee funny that the old testament is superseded by the new but you quote it when it suits.
The bible is so full of contradictions it means whatever you want.
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August 3, 2015 8:55pm
Shawn Herles

“Why does your god ensure that most of such ‘babies’ spontaneously abort?”

Well, there are two issues here. For one, if I die of a heart attack, that’s a natural death. If I am shot in the heart, that is murder.

So the fact that some babies die in the womb does not justify killing them deliberately.

The other issue is why we live in a world with death, violence, tragedy and injustice in the first place, and the Christian answer is that the world is not what it was supposed to be, because of human and demonic sin.
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August 3, 2015 8:57pm
Reid

So the reason you were promoting a “documentary” made my a neo-Nazi outfit that whitewashed the Nazi regime was just for shits and giggles?

Hellstorm?

You really are a liar Captain Bananas.

There was no whitewashing at all.

It was all about compassion for the civilian suffering, a story the victors have not permitted told.

A bit like the babies you and Dennis are currently defending.

And yet you turn it into something it’s not. You pretend it’s an obfuscation of Nazi guilt.

It has nothing to do with that, and I’d like you to tell me where it does that. Apart from the two 30 second segments which I said when I first presented it, could possibly be interpreted as that.

But if you want to turn a 1.5 hour searing factual summary into something that swivels on less than a minutes content, then this is just typical of how you neocons conduct yourselves.

With lies, cruelty, evil and wickedness.

Tell me, does the million plus and counting casualty figure of your beloved neocon ideology keep you awake at night Captain Bananas?

For anyone who hasn’t seen it. It’s about what happened to German civilians 1945-1947. Shocking, and unknown in the Western history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ
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August 3, 2015 8:58pm
nasska

….”If I am shot in the heart, that is murder.”…..

Grossly presumptuous! 🙂
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August 3, 2015 9:01pm
AgentBallSack

Shawn says:

Here is what the Bible really says about the issue.

“One of the most often-used weapons in the skeptic’s arsenal is to seize statements from religious people that make God look like a cruel despot waiting to cast any and everyone into a torturous lake of eternal fire…..

I don’t want to seem a pedant but please direct me to that text in the bible Shawn. You can’t because that’s a theists argument to a layperson. And that’s exactly why the bible is not fit to be translated by man. It’s coloured with your personal beliefs.
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August 3, 2015 9:02pm
Shawn Herles

“Not baptized no heaven new testament Jesus zombies words.”

He is talking about adults, which is clear from the passage itself, not babies.

“Gee funny that the old testament is superseded by the new but you quote it when it suits.”

The OT is not superseded by the NT, but fulfilled. Both are valid.

That’s twice tonight you have gotten basic Christian doctrine wrong.

You cannot critique something unless you have an accurate understanding of that which you critique, and as far as KB is concerned, most of the atheists here have a view of both Scripture and Christian teaching which has almost no basis in reality.
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August 3, 2015 9:02pm
mikenmild

Your problem with defining zygotes as babies is that over 70 percent will not make it through to birth. I can’t believe that your god would condemn to death 70 percent of people without ever giving them the chance to know Jeebus and be saved.
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August 3, 2015 9:03pm
Shawn Herles

“Hellstorm?

You really are a liar Captain Bananas.

There was no whitewashing at all.”

I watched it Reid. In the first twenty minutes the Nazis are portrayed as heroes who saved Germany.

And the “doco” WAS produced by a neo-Nazi outfit. They use one of the SS symbols for their production companies logo. DUH.

Your attempts to hide your ideological sympathies for the Nazis are not credible and easily seen through. The fact that Jews feature centrally in your global conspiracy theory, and the fact that you have, many, many times now used neo-Nazi sources such as Hellstorm, proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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August 3, 2015 9:06pm
Dennis Horne

Don. I think human live begins at conception, but it is not a baby. Like, an ingot of aluminium is not an engine.

I have some sympathy for how you feel. But life itself is a tragedy: we get the hang of it then we die.

Much of what happens to people isn’t very pleasant. Removing someone’s bowel and most of the liver — for example — isn’t like playing in an orchestra or haymaking.

Abortions may be gruesome but you’re not asked to do them, are you?

You’re not asked to have one, are you?

So why don’t you keep your feelings to yourself? Your feelings are your problems.

The last thing a woman who doesn’t want a baby needs is you harassing her.

It’s unnecessary. It’s cruel. It’s evil.

There’s not a skerrick of love or compassion in it.

In fact, Don, you are a revolting creature. The revulsion I feel for your inhumanity is less than that for another hole-brained commenter on the subject, Shawn Herles, but that’s nothing to rejoice.
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August 3, 2015 9:08pm
AgentBallSack

I just noticed Godwins law was invoked earlier. Damn wine. Fuck it, I’m out.
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August 3, 2015 9:08pm
AgentBallSack

And mikenmild is making sense. Alternate reality I think. I feel like when Neil the copper smoked a doob and went to the moon on The Young Ones. Fuck this.
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August 3, 2015 9:10pm
Shawn Herles

“Your problem with defining zygotes as babies is that over 70 percent will not make it through to birth.”

That’s not a problem at all. Death is a fact of life, but natural death is not an excuse for murder.

“I can’t believe that your god would condemn to death 70 percent of people without ever giving them the chance to know Jeebus and be saved.”

They are already saved by the grace of God.
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August 3, 2015 9:11pm
Griff

The only difference between an eight week old and eight month old baby is age, not it’s ontological status.

The difference if you are talking about from conception is one is capable of independent life the other is not without the womb it was created in.
It is still a part of the mother until around 2/3 term until then a fetus is dependent on the mothers body not an independent life form .
A potential human not an actual realized human.
As we limit abortion to only the twelfth week in nz except in extreme cases we are well within this boundary.
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August 3, 2015 9:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff & @Dennis @Mikenmild

Just remember when I argue with you guys, I am not forgetting your stance against these control monsters on KB
I haven’t got the guts to deal with their foul philosophy.
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August 3, 2015 9:16pm
Shawn Herles

@ Dennis

“The last thing a woman who doesn’t want a baby needs is you harassing her.”

The last thing an abusive mother who murders her one year old baby is anybody harassing her.

The last thing the murderer breaking in to your home to kill your family needs is you waking up and harassing him.

Murder is murder, and there is no excuse for it. It’s not harassment, it’s fighting for justice for the weakest and most defenseless members of society against a blood thirsty Liberal death cult.

By for now folks, and God bless! 🙂
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August 3, 2015 9:18pm
Reid

In fact, Don, you are a revolting creature. The revulsion I feel for your inhumanity is less than that for the another hole-brained commenter on the subject, Shawn Herles, but that’s nothing to rejoice.

Funnily enough Dennis you’re in the same league as Captain Bananas when it comes to the inhuman stakes.

Captain Bananas loves it when the IDF slaughters innocent children in their pursuit of the “defense” of the mighty state of Israel, and you love it when a human being is slaughtered because the mother has decided the inconvenience of carrying it to term is greater than someone sticking something up her and scraping out the unwanted material.

Ruthless pricks, both of you for holding those opinions, which, in the cold hard light of reality, both of you in fact, do.

You both really, truly are, ruthless pricks.

Neither of you mean to be, but that doesn’t mean you’re not.

Wear it, but because both of you are you, neither of you will be able to accept it. Instead you’ll just deny it.

Says a lot about both of you.
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August 3, 2015 9:19pm
EAD

Reid,

The hellstorm atrocities have either been minimised or covered up by the court historians, since there are not enough tears to go round.

All our tears need saving, it would seem, for the victims of the Holocaust. They alone must be commemorated and held in honour in perpetuity.
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August 3, 2015 9:19pm
AgentBallSack

Personally speaking, I don’t believe a child has a spirit until it is imbued with it. Whether that’s by a higher power or self awareness who knows. We could have a lot of fun arguing about it. For myself I remember my self awareness, hell for quite a while I wondered if I was God. It seemed likely.

Saying a child has a spirit is like saying Hydrogen is water…..until the 2 atoms of Oxygen are added and bonded it’s still just hydrogen. Therefore until a child has self awareness, it’s soul is pure because its only acting on reflex.
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August 3, 2015 9:21pm
BananaLama

This question has kind of bugged me for a while so why not ask it, Is it okay to kill down syndromes on account they are not human? 47 chromosomes vs 46.
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August 3, 2015 9:22pm
nasska

I reckon the way our host put it a few months ago covered things pretty well…..okay for the first trimester, rarely in the second & only in cases of life or death for the third.

Despite the exaggerations & pathos of the Godstruck most of secular NZ would be fairly comfortable with these boundaries.
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August 3, 2015 9:22pm
Reid

All our tears need saving, it would seem, for the victims of the Holocaust. They alone must be commemorated and held in honour in perpetuity.

Yes EAD.

Holocaustianity is the one, true religion.

To the sheeple.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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August 3, 2015 9:24pm
cha

Just remember when I argue with you guys, I am not forgetting your stance against these control monsters on KB

“Hear! Hear!”
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August 3, 2015 9:31pm
Dennis Horne

Shawn Herles. You are a hypocritical worm and a despicable collection of faecal matter.

You have disclosed you have family members in the Armed Services. What are they doing? Playing marbles and tiddlywinks?

No, they are trained to kill people.

I was in the Army during Vietnam. You are a coward and a creep.
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August 3, 2015 9:32pm
Griff

Despite the exaggerations & pathos of the ~~Godstruck~~ religoconservatives .
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Many of the god struck are actually liberals nasska.
We forget that being exposed to so many conservonutters on here.
Most Christians I know personally think that ultimately it is the woman’s right not theirs to decide what she does with her body even if philosophically they disagree with abortion.
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August 3, 2015 9:35pm
Reid

Personally speaking, I don’t believe a child has a spirit until it is imbued with it. Whether that’s by a higher power or self awareness who knows.

I think you’re 100% wrong ABS.

I think our spirit is expressed perfectly as a child and as our innocence is degraded by the world which starts happening as soon as we leave the womb by the first imperfect expressions and reactions by the humans in our presence, we become less spiritual and more human as we learn to imitate the profoundly flawed creatures around us.

When we reach self-awareness, that’s the final degradation in our spirit and then it’s basically a long long journey back to the state we started out in, which some of us as adults haven’t even yet started. Because some of us adults still hallucinate that the only important thing is the world and what’s in it and that’s our one and only focus. I call those adults poor bastards and sometimes, morons and fools and idiots.

This is because anyone who hasn’t yet compared the values available free of charge in the inner spirit to those available in the world and having done so, found the world wanting, truly is one of those things.
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August 3, 2015 9:35pm
Manolo

Just deport the scum to their shithole: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183314/Open-border-going-UK-Chanting-mob-200-storm-tunnel-entrance-pledge-won-t-stopped.html

An organised mob of 200 migrants charged into the Calais entrance of the Channel Tunnel early yesterday, chanting ‘open the borders’ and demanding to be allowed into Britain.

They tore down fences and charged past police, who retaliated by spraying tear gas. When the migrants were finally beaten back, they regrouped to form a human barricade, blocking the road to the tunnel.
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August 3, 2015 9:39pm
AgentBallSack

Thank God Dennis spends most of his time writing bad poetry. When the Vogon side comes out he can be brutal.
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August 3, 2015 9:39pm
AgentBallSack

Reid I mean initial awareness of self. Not self awareness, which is something different altogether, I agree. We are all immortal at 17, at 47 we are old enough to know better. It’s the old paradigm of knowing better or knowing nothing.
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August 3, 2015 9:44pm
nasska

….”Most Christians I know personally think that ultimately it is the woman’s right not theirs to decide what she does with her body even if philosophically they disagree with abortion.”…..

Strangely enough that’s pretty much the position I argue from too Griff. I’m not in favour of abortion as a form of birth control but ultimately the decision must remain that of the individual woman involved.

The religio/conservatives we encounter on this forum would be better described as control freaks, devoid of normal human emotions, with an inability to see past their wretched dogma.
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August 3, 2015 9:44pm
Dennis Horne

Reid: you love it when a human being is slaughtered (because the mother has decided the inconvenience of carrying it to term)

Don’t be silly, Reid.

Pull yourself together, man. However did you get that idea? I’ve never ever suggested abortion is pleasant.

Nor is capital punishment. Which some people need to extinguish their vile and worthless lives.
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August 3, 2015 10:08pm
SPC

The covered up fate of German civilians 1945-47 has made it to wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)
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August 3, 2015 10:28pm
RightNow

Abortion is a soul killer.
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August 4, 2015 12:26am
Manolo

A fluid political situation: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dowd-schultz-challenge-clinton/2015/08/01/id/664991/

Howard Schultz, the chairman and CEO of Starbucks, is being urged to challenge Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Schultz, 62, is getting encouragement from supporters because they believe “the time is right for someone who’s not a political lifer,” New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd said on Saturday. “It may be a tempting proposition.”
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August 4, 2015 6:07am
EAD

Continuing on from last night’s discussion, and this pretty much agrees with all my research about the deaths in WII from 1943 onwards when the allies clearly had enough strength to invade continental Europe but instead chose to bomb German supply lines which lead to the deaths in the forced labour camps:

“Can you handle the real truth about the end of WW2 and why General Patton’s assassination was ordered by President Truman. In the Nazi forced labor camps about 290,000 died from cholera and starvation, induced by the Allies by needlessly extending the war and bombing the supply lines, official red Cross figure show about 200,000 of these were Judaics. Compare this to the now estimated 55 million innocent civilians mass-murdered during WW2 and now described as merely “collateral damage” from the Allied Air War”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/03/is-american-scheduled-to-become-the-rothschild-khazarian-mafias-next-hellstorm/
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