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SPC

A corporatist government is attracted to a public that is soft and rubbery (public easily manipulated by claims of a security threat or the benefits of free trade), as this allows the acquisition of power to private capital.
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August 26, 2015 7:15pm
nasska

I can only recall meeting one Vietnam veteran…..he was a little bloke who served in V2 Company & owned various hotels in the Wairarapa. Great rural pub host & tough enough to throw any troublemakers out on their ears.

Funny thing is that although he married & had a kid he later threw open the closet door & “came out” as a flamboyant gay top.

Wonder if Starboard remembers serving with him. 🙂
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August 26, 2015 7:18pm
EAD

Reid – you do realise that you have just committed the cardinal sin on Kiwi blog? You just quoted a shock, horror, NAZI!!

I’ve posted the below Goering quote a couple of times of KB as a means for the sheeple to understand why they have drummed into them the “terrorist” meme into them 24/7. Mainly it is so the the one world government can take away our civil liberties bit by bit but also used as the justification and to gain public support for drone strikes and unending war in Islamic countries. Never in the sheeples mind does it occur to them that such actions spurn even more “terrorism” and yet more destructions of their ancient liberties in a vicious circle.

“Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”

Like I said to Lance in a previous thread – go read 1984, Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World. The dystopian world we currently inhabit is no accident. It’s been generations in the planning.
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August 26, 2015 7:18pm
nasska

How’s your crystal ball EAD? I can loan you a bit of Windowlene if you’re short. 🙂
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August 26, 2015 7:25pm
starboard

Thats right golfer..whats your point ?

Later I was in an RNZAF detachment at Chu Lai . We were attached to the US Marines Corps…why the fuck am I explaining myself to these dregs ?
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August 26, 2015 7:28pm
Griff

Starboard remembers much .
like serving in nam after the kiwis left .
76
😆
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=fall+of+saigon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=gWndVeWzG6HTmgXv57K4DA
Even after the yanks left.

EAD how do you mange to reconcile barracking for the republican conservatives along with redblurt when the conservatives are the ones who are responsible for the idiotic war on terror and the attempts at dismantling of liberal civil liberties.

Authoritarians compartmentalize… eh.
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August 26, 2015 7:30pm
ex-golfer

@Starboard
I wasn’t making any point.
As I said I simply found that piece of information illuminating.
Does it concern you?
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August 26, 2015 7:37pm
EAD

Grief – if you think there is any difference between Republicans and Democrats then I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in.

They are there to give you the illusion of choice. Democrips, Republiocrats as Jesse Ventura calls them.
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August 26, 2015 7:40pm
ex-golfer

Actually Griff, I think you’ll find all New Zealand military personnel were withdrawn from ‘Nam by 1973.
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August 26, 2015 7:42pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

How’s your crystal ball EAD? I can loan you a bit of Windowlene if you’re short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G9T-ZI5eLk
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August 26, 2015 7:43pm
mikenmild

Hmm, so starboard was in Whiskey Three company and then later with an unspecified RNZAF detachment. That seems quite unusual, probably unique. He also remained serving in Vietnam for three years after NZ forces were withdrawn. Doesn’t add up.
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August 26, 2015 7:45pm
ex-golfer

But I think Kris Faafoi might have still been there.
For the opening of the local McDonalds.
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August 26, 2015 7:46pm
ex-golfer

To be fair there was an RNZAF flight out of ‘Nam when the New Zealand Ambassador was evacuated in April 1975, just before the Fall of Saigon.
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August 26, 2015 7:50pm
Griff

ex-golfer

The reference to 76 was to starboard’s claim to fame as KiwiRambo in nam

starboard (2,983 comments) says:
August 26th, 2015 at 4:05 pm

5 years thanks MM, January ’71 out in ’76 . Stayed on an extra year to ” tidy up “.

More than you could ever cope with my little friend.
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August 26, 2015 7:51pm
ex-golfer

Yes Griff – I did get that.
But thanks for explaining.
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August 26, 2015 7:53pm
stigie

Starboard never told us what rank (or how rank) he was when he served, would be interesting to us old fellas ?
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August 26, 2015 8:00pm
Griff

EAD (2,772 comments) says:
August 26th, 2015 at 7:40 pm

Grief – if you think there is any difference between Republicans and Democrats then I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in.

They are there to give you the illusion of choice. Democrips, Republiocrats as Jesse Ventura calls them.

Watch this from 8:00 EAD
Jesse Ventura for real.
You believe the most idiotic rubbish ever pushed onto gullible wackos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJQPyTVtNA
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August 26, 2015 8:02pm
starboard

Its funny. You guys , especially mm , stabbing in the dark , someone saying 73 NZ pulled out..” but he said W company”..”but they blah blah”..” Im not sure , I know I wasn’t there “. Golfers right , 75 last flight out with the NZ Ambassador. Do keep up MM , youre not adding up.
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August 26, 2015 8:05pm
SPC

starboard, use drugs while in Nam?
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August 26, 2015 8:10pm
ex-golfer

Possibly AO is finally kicking in.
That would explain a lot.
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August 26, 2015 8:18pm
nasska

One thing the war in Vietnam did change was the availability of drugs in the NZ of the late 60s & early 70s. Up until the time the Yank boats started using NZ ports as R & R facilities for their crews basically all that was out there were ounces of bushweed leaf. Hellaciously expensive (about a weeks average net pay for a deal bag) & weak as cat’s piss.

Then the boats arrived, the girls’ knickers fell off at the sight of US servicemen in uniform, new & exotic strains of VD thrived but decent dope in the form of “Buddha Sticks” along with LSD hit the streets to cater for the new demand.

Not all history is recorded in school books. 🙂
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August 26, 2015 8:27pm
Don the Kiwi

Have a mate who was in the SAS.
He served in ‘nam, but with the Americans – not NZ SAS – he pulled out when the govt. decided not to deploy them- even though some served there.
After the fall of Saigon, he went to Cambodia
Was the last out – stole a light plane with his Vietnamese wife and 2 kids, and flew to Singapore, Repatriated through Darwin in 195 I think. When did Pnom Pen fall? – can’t remember.
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August 26, 2015 8:30pm
stigie

Dont think this was recorded either Nasska !~

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JRfD9BdHC5o/hqdefault.jpg
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August 26, 2015 8:30pm
nasska

Perhaps one of the resident fans of the uniform could fill us in in some of the details stigie.

At a distance of course. 🙂
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August 26, 2015 8:33pm
Reid

EAD, isn’t it interesting.

The only person I’ve seen acknowledging your market prescience is Manolo.

All the rest of them, nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

You’d think they’d be curious to understand how it is you could predict events from how long ago was it?

But no.

No curiosity at all.

Perhaps they don’t want to make you angry, lest you put a curse on them, or something.

Still.

Quite churlish of them I thought.

Maybe you should have tickled their ears.

The corporate grip on opinion in the US is one of the wonders of the world. No first world country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity – much less dissent – Gore Vidal
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August 26, 2015 8:40pm
Scott Chris

decent dope in the form of “Buddha Sticks”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrance_John_Clark
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August 26, 2015 8:41pm
cricko

Well done that man, give him a DB.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/71468781/burqaclad-woman-accused-of-being-isis-supporter-in-palmerston-north-mall

Thing is, ISIS are true blue muslims.

Disagree with that statement ?

Then show us where the conduct of ISIS runs afoul of the koran.

Just one example will do.

Now surely the muslim lovers on this site will be able to conjour up one example of where their conduct is at odds with muslim beliefs.
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August 26, 2015 8:44pm
Scott Chris

The only person I’ve seen acknowledging your market prescience is Manolo.

All the rest of them, nothing.

I thought EAD predicted a bigger crash than the GFC. All we’ve had is a bit of a correction Reid.
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August 26, 2015 8:45pm
deadrightkev

Dennis Horne

There was a fake leader called Key
He loved to appease the Maori
He was all slight of hand
When he chose to act grand
But a reformer he wasn’t to be
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August 26, 2015 8:47pm
mikenmild

That’s nice cricko. You’re the second person on this thread today that seems to think it’s okay to assault peaceful, law-abiding New Zealand residents.
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August 26, 2015 8:48pm
nasska

Scott Chris

A really nasty bit of work. He would have been operating in the market at the time.
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August 26, 2015 8:49pm
Reid

The light shall never depart. Even in the darkest nights, the stars will always shine. The light waits for you to open you eyes. – Daniel Saint

“A bad book is the worse that it cannot repent. It has not been the devil’s policy to keep the masses of mankind in ignorance; but finding that they will read, he is doing all in his power to poison their books — John Kenneth Galbraith (think Harry Potter, for example)

Governments will use whatever technology is available to them to combat their primary enemy – their own population – Noam Chomsky

God writes the gospel not in the Bible alone, but on trees and flowers and clouds and stars – Martin Luther (and still none of the sheeple notice…)

The control of information is something the elite always does, particularly in a despotic form of government. Information, knowledge, is power. If you can control information, you can control people. — Tom Clancy

All we’ve had is a bit of a correction Reid.

Scott what he predicted hasn’t happened yet, we’re witnessing the foreshocks of the big one which he always said is coming last week of Sept. But look what’s happening now and bear in mind he was talking about this this time last year. Have you not studied the patterns of the other ones. Look at the 1929 chart for example. They had a few shocks, started the recovery, then wham. Same with 1987, same with dot-bomb, same with 2008.
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August 26, 2015 8:53pm
SPC

Reid, EAD never focused on an impact on the global economy of a decline in growth in the Chinese economy, nor that the impact would be limited to a market correction on western share markets (that were due one anyway).

The concern will focus on stocks such as Apple as to sales in China of their I phone, but given only 2% of Chinese invest on their market it should not change their sales that much.
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August 26, 2015 8:55pm
cricko

One thing you can take to the bank.

There will not be one single correspondent on this site able to point to where the conduct of ISIS is in conflict
with the tenents of the koran.

Prove me wrong.
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August 26, 2015 9:02pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x34c5igec3cucxd/Conservonutter%2047.jpg?dl=0
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August 26, 2015 9:05pm
Reid

When I took an army logistics class, the U.S army developed a logistic system for Walmart. Walmart was strategically set up around the world to act as military distribution bases. If you’re going to have operation jade helm throughout the southwest, you seize a Walmart, you can order things. Then the military takes over their base. Walmarts are federal military posts. They get extra money from the government. The end game is here. This is what is in our department of defense manual, to seize Walmarts and Home depots and use their logistic system to order weapons. As jade helm spreads, the jobs will go away quickly. — Dr. William Mount

The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world govt combining supercapitalism and communism under the same tent, all under the same control – Congressman Larry P McDonald [He didn’t mention the other ism – zionism. Think it’s a coincidence that when commun-ism faded in the 90’s zion-ism reared its head? Think again]

We’ve created a culture that fetishizes the new(s), and we forget the wealth of human knowledge, wisdom, and transcendence that lives in the annals of what we call “history” – art, literature, philosophy, and so many things that are both timeless and incredibly timely. Our presentism bias – anchored in the belief that if it isn’t at the top of Google, it doesn’t matter, and if it isn’t Googleable at all, it doesn’t exist – perpetuates our arrogance that no one has ever grappled with the issues we’re grappling with. Which of course is tragically untrue. — Maria Popova [Except what isn’t untrue is that this is exactly how most unthinking people operate in today’s Western culture, isn’t it]

Like an acid, the media viruses have corroded your consciousness and made you unsane. A pornographic media has fragmented your children psychically so they don’t know if they are coming or going. They are emotionally mutilated shards. They try this and that, until jaded and sullied they finally discover that it’s all a sick joke. They seek crude power and dominance and finally crave extinction from their own inner angst and fragmentation. Their case is critical, but you cannot fix them. You too are broken and lost. Your salvation is in the hands of the pharmaceutical orgs. You swallow their poisons to become uncomfortably numb. You ride the roller-coaster in your relationships, and use conflict to prick yourself awake. — Michael Tsario
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August 26, 2015 9:07pm
SPC

As to western market values, the upward rise was inevitable with such low interest rates. Especially with all that money being saved by boomers for their retirement.

But as the Fed Reserve starts raising rates more of this savings will go into bonds and thus the rise in stock values would slow – this was all known a year ago.

Thus a market correction was a safe prediction.

However EAD’s one, more of an economic collapse than a market correction, looks unlikely.
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August 26, 2015 9:10pm
cricko

PS mikenmild, why would you always go to the defence of muslims ?

One question for you mate.

Do you acknowledge that the teachings of islam say that you, mikenmild must submit to islam, pay
a tax to islam or be killed ?

Straight question.
Are you able to give a straight answer ?
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August 26, 2015 9:10pm
Reid

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. — Galileo Galilei

Jobs fill your pocket. Adventures fill your soul.

I have always been of the opinion the unpopularity earned by doing what is right is not unpopularity at all but glory – Marcus Tullius Cicero
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August 26, 2015 9:12pm
mikenmild

No one cares about your lame questions, cricko. No one owes you any answers.
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August 26, 2015 9:14pm
Reid

Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn. He answered, ‘The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.’ The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear. — Jesus

No one cares about your lame questions, cricko. No one owes you any answers.

We know you don’t have any anyway mm. All you have is snide and slime. That’s all you’ve ever had.

A clever person solves a problem, a wise person avoids it. – Einstein

The human race divides itself politically into those who want to be controlled, and those who have no such desire. — Robert A. Heinlein
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August 26, 2015 9:17pm
Reid

There will not be one single correspondent on this site able to point to where the conduct of ISIS is in conflict
with the tenents of the koran.

http://aranews.net/2015/08/isis-imposes-curfew-in-mosul-after-spread-of-anti-caliphate-graffiti/

Duh cricko.
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August 26, 2015 9:24pm
cricko

And, by the way mikenmild.

Read the statement of facts presented at the trial.

This bloke simply told this burka clad muslim that he was not impressed with her attire.

“sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me.”

It was not untill her husband turned up and put his hands on this Kiwi that the assault occured.

The Judge took that into account, thats why he only fined him the nominal ammount of $400.
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August 26, 2015 9:25pm
Reid

Being in a minority, even in a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the Truth even against the whole world, you were not mad. — George Orwell, 1984

People only see what they are prepared to see. — Ralph Waldo Emerson

One of the secrets of life is that all that is worth the doing is what we do for others – Lewis Caroll

It’s mind control, Corruption of your thoughts, Destruction of your soul. Don’t let them mold your mind. They wanna control mankind. Seems like their only intention is to exploit the earth, And you trust in their deceit. Your mind causes your defeat. And so you become an invention to distort this earth. Propaganda and lies is a plague in our lives. How much more victimized. Before we realize? Grandmaster (Satan). Let the people go. You put them in total confusion to downs-troy their soul. For they practice what you preach, so they’re always in your reach. Hi-tech slavery in these days. They’ll make it attractive to get man distracted. Corrupting your soul, polluting your soul. Destroying your soul, mind control. The Truth is there for us to see. — Stephen Marley
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August 26, 2015 9:33pm
cricko

Now there is a pathetic joke of a non answer to a straight question from a muslim lover painted into
a corner.

See mikenmild @ 9.14

A muslim lover like mikenmild gets a straight question that he is unable to answer and his risible response
is not to try and answer the question……

he just claims that ‘no one cares.’

Who authorised you to speak on behalf of everyone else mikenmild.

You are just laughable, pathetic.
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August 26, 2015 9:37pm
Reid

Most people don’t really want the truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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August 26, 2015 9:45pm
cricko

Reid, leaving alone the question of WTF your ‘duh cricko’ effort @ 9.24 was supposed to mean, and WTF your 9.45
effort was about.

Try and address the simple, straight forward question that defeated mikenmild……..

Where does the conduct of ISIS conflict with the teachings of islam ?
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August 26, 2015 10:00pm
Reid

cricko isn’t it obvious. Who the fuck do you think inhabit Mosul? Christians? And that link is all about how Mosul Muslims are rising up against ISIS.

Like I’ve said many times cricko, the Western world is being setup for a Muslim-Christian conflict. That Mosul link is an example of how the propaganda you Western sheeple are listening to is bollocks. ISIS is the enemy of Islam, it doesn’t personify it.

Yet you Western sheeple hallucinate it does.

This is precisely the mistake the German people made when they having their ears tickled by Hitler.

He who forgets history is condemned to repeat it.

Be a moron if you want cricko.

Frankly I’ll have no part of your idiocy and I won’t stand by silently while you condemn an entire people at the behest of evil ones who tickle your ears.

End of story.
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August 26, 2015 10:21pm
cricko

Oh dear.

So sad. So very sad. Poor Reid.

The question was… (for those with no short term memory)

“How does the conduct of ISIS conflict with the teachings of islam?”

Simple question, right ?
Most people could understand that question in plain English.

And Reids answer is….. ” Isn’t it obvious, who the fuck do you think inhabit Mosul? Christians.”

Follow poor old Reids logic…………….anyone ?

(If you understood WTF Reid was on about….could someone please interpret)
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August 26, 2015 10:44pm
Meatloaf

Cricko, if its of any benefit to you, whenever I’m on to something, that’s when people who don’t want their secrets to get out, they get evasive. So whenever anyone gets evasive, that’s when you know you nearly have something. At least that’s how it works in my world, your world may be a bit different. Oh and in regards to mikenmild, he/she always gets really, really upset whenever I use a law dictionary. A law dictionary is what words mean in the courts. And now I have a Butterworths NZ law dictionary, watch out world.
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August 26, 2015 11:54pm
cricko

And Reid, by the same token to your profound 10.21 effort you may as well ask…………

“Why is a mouse if it spins ?” or…

“What is the difference between a duck ?”

Get it babe ?
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August 27, 2015 12:00am
Manolo

Money talks: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/possible-biden-run-puts-obama-fundraising-network-on-high-alert/2015/08/26/2b9bc644-4c00-11e5-bfb9-9736d04fc8e4_story.html
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August 27, 2015 6:17am
Manolo

I suppose KB has to make some money and pay costs but those pop-up ads are a pain the ass, and regardless of browser used(Chrome or Firefox) make the loading of the site painfully slow. 🙂
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August 27, 2015 6:35am
Meatloaf

Manolo, I had the same problem until I moved on to ad muncher. Your going to see ads pop up everywhere you go, until you download something to block those ads, and ad muncher is my favourite, and it doesn’t cost anything. Sorry advertising guys you’ve just gone too far, I was able to put up with a few ads, but this is just too much.
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