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Rowan

fernglas @ 8.45
The police have no interest in solving the case because “Rewa is already inside” and not about to be getting out. I would also mean that they had to admit that they stuffed up and got it wrong big time culminating in a massive miscarriage of justice and, as we both know, that isn’t going to be happening anytime soon. The NZ system of “justice” is a joke and needs a massive overhaul!
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August 24, 2015 3:28pm
Simon

‘ think that must be code for “addicted to a white powder”.”

No comrade its code for debt fuelled spending binge by clueless marxist cunts.
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August 24, 2015 3:30pm
SPC

simon, no TPP milk from us in their chocolate.
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August 24, 2015 3:31pm
Manolo

China’s markets leading the bleeding: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/23/asia-braces-for-selloff-on-tanking-us-markets.html

Asian stocks swoon as China stock rout accelerates
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August 24, 2015 3:46pm
Manolo

According to the Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-is-leaning-toward-a-2016-run-1440373384
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August 24, 2015 4:10pm
Jack5

Re Manolo on Asian stocks.

It’s getting close to a riot, Manolo. NZ down, too, by about 2.35 per cent.

I like this in the Financial Times: investors have kidnapped the chief of the China minor-metals exchange and handed him over to the police —

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/02a129cc-4995-11e5-9b5d-89a026fda5c9.html#axzz3jhc1ZkZn
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August 24, 2015 4:17pm
Jack5

Add to the uncertainty in the markets right now, we have the Reserve Bank of NZ, commenting on the Auckland property bubble, saying people moving to their next home are being hurt more than first-home buyers.

Reserve Bank deputy governor Spencer is reported by the Hooerald as saying:

“The resurgence in Auckland house prices over the past year has made the Reserve Bank increasingly concerned about the risks to financial stability. It is certainly on our ‘what keeps us awake at night’ list.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11502092&ref=rss
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August 24, 2015 4:31pm
Akaroa

Lance as long ago as 9.42 posted: “…Or maybe media studies are a colossal waste of time and money and as useful as telephone sanitizers…”

Mate! You sure got that right!

When I was approaching the end of my regular two-Air Force military career I had no ‘qualifications’ that would excite any potential civilian employer.

So I went to part time Uni at Vic and got myself a BA degree in – wait-for-it – Political Science!!

Political Science!! I ask you! What over-qualified, screened from reality, academic numpty dreamed THAT one up?.

Oh i got it, of course. No problem-o, and I got a nice certificate to hang on my wall to let the World know what a smart b—– I am.

But, seriously folks, whilst i was attending Uni I saw for myself the hollow emptiness and all-done-with-mirrors nature of much so-called Tertiary education.

Don’r get me wrong! There are, of course, valuable, meaningful degrees to be had in medicine and disciplines of that nature

But there are also what I came to regard as ‘playtime’ degrees – such as ‘Media Studies’ mentioned above – that had clearly been put together to give some Academic University Lecturer a smooth career ride well away from the dreadful, frightening and demanding pressures of actually making a living in the real World with a meaningful qualification.

Yes! Going to Uni sure opened my eyes and dispelled once and for all the former awe and respect i had for people brandishing a line of initials after their name!

(I should sign of as ‘Akaroa BA” !!)
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August 24, 2015 4:43pm
Michael

Rowan
If you mean the New Zealand justice system is a joke because a multi- murderer was acquitted at his retrial then I would have to agree with you.
I am sure if the police could find enough evidence to prove Rewa was guilty of murdering Susan Burdett then they would come out and say so.
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August 24, 2015 4:56pm
wreck1080

Wondering if it is the perfect storm about to hit our economy.

Auckland house prices will do the most damage, could take out a couple of our banks.
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August 24, 2015 5:24pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076.89553.124955570892789/887135684674770/?type=1&theater

A chart showing how high child poverty is in NZ compared to world standards. We are among the worst.

Evidence is evidence not baseless unproven accusations
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August 24, 2015 5:26pm
stigie

“I know a Doctor who can cure homosexuality”

I’ve never heard so much crap in my life, is this a joke ? Surely you jest !~
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August 24, 2015 5:34pm
Paulus Gnome

‘“I know a Doctor who can cure homosexuality”’

Its true; Dr Mengele did an excellent job!
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August 24, 2015 5:41pm
nasska

It’s quite likely that all this research is taking its toll on Starboard. As the theory goes, he once mistook a glory hole for a peep hole.

Now he’s cockeyed.
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August 24, 2015 5:42pm
Rowan

Yawn, again the broken record @ 4.56 is again not worth the time of day! There’s a reason, he was found “not guilty” and its not that hard to work out (for those of us with a brain at least!)
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August 24, 2015 5:44pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

As the theory goes he once mistook a glory hole for a peep hole.

Which movie was it – I can’t recall – that had the memorable quote along the lines of: “Watch out! You could poke my eye out with that thing!”
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August 24, 2015 5:44pm
stigie

http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/filestorage/glory-hole-signspotting-ecard-someecards.png
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August 24, 2015 5:47pm
nasska

Can’t recall Nostra…..sounds better than, “Is that a AAA battery in your pants or are you just glad to see me?”
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August 24, 2015 5:51pm
starboard

Good one MM..must take you and stiffy to the good Doctor for treatment. Whats ya mama cooking you for dinner tonight.
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August 24, 2015 5:55pm
Viking2

Another half cocked, half arsed attempt at changing legislation by the Nats. and woodgouse.
Jesus wept they are bloody awful.

The Government is changing “arbitrary” national Easter Sunday trading restrictions.

The decision to allow shops and garden centres to stay open will be handed to councils.

Retailers have welcomed the proposed change but a union is unhappy about the loss of guaranteed days off for workers.

Under legislation set to be introduced within weeks, all councils will be able to allow trading within their boundaries or within smaller, specific areas.

Workplace relations and safety minister Michael Woodhouse said the new trading rules were unlikely to come into effect until 2017

BUT,
Oderings Garden Centres director Darryn Odering welcomed the news of a law change.

“We think people should be allowed to shop when they like,” he said.

But Odering believed not also changing the Easter Friday law was “not helping me at all”.

“It is just tinkering with a bad law.

which if course it is.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/71405305/easter-trading-rules-to-be-handed-to-local-councils.html

Read the whole thing to see what a patch up this is going to be.

Totally useless pricks pandering to the noisy Unions and God Botherers and forgetting that actually the real world trades 24/365 on the INTERNET.
Frightened of their own shadow and too gutless to just remove all the outdated Laws around shopping. ( and I don’t own a shop.)
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August 24, 2015 5:59pm
stigie

Tell us Starboard, what would your good Doctor do to correct what ever is wrong with me ??
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August 24, 2015 5:59pm
nasska

Can you give us a brief rundown of your symptoms stigie? 🙂
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August 24, 2015 6:07pm
mikenmild

Perhaps there is an the answer:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pray_away_the_gay
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August 24, 2015 6:11pm
EAD

Good to see Makow taking aim at the red shield money power:

http://henrymakow.com/the_imperialism_of_jewish_capi.html

Where is the MSM doing its job and “looking behind the curtain”?
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August 24, 2015 6:18pm
mikenmild

Well, if you are waiting for the mainstream media to accuse the Jews of being behind everything, I fear you may have to wait a while.
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August 24, 2015 6:22pm
Reid

Wondering if it is the perfect storm about to hit our economy. Auckland house prices will do the most damage, could take out a couple of our banks.

2008 was just a rehearsal, wreck1080.

The evil ones stole $16,000,000,000 then. Here’s Forbes telling you so, since the braying morons a.k.a. the sheeple wouldn’t trust any other source to tell them this.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

This time, they’re not just going to crash the market, they’re going to start a war in the ME and expand it to include Ukraine and Russia and then then they’re going to crash the market and blame it on the war, which they started. And all the sheeple are going to lose every single thing they’ve worked for. They won’t have any pension and they won’t have any savings.

The reason they’re going to do this is because the sheeple are idiots who’ve let them accumulate the power they now possess which lets them plan and execute things like this.

Anyway, worrying about a few banks at this end of the world ain’t much really, is it, by comparison.
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August 24, 2015 6:23pm
mikenmild

The wooooorld is coming to an end….
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August 24, 2015 6:27pm
rightoverlabour

Why I hate the MSM Stuff soon going to be added to my ex list of sites I visited.

Front page of Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/71398447/world-watches-as-plane-passenger-live-tweets-couples-meltdown

Front page of Al Jazeera http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/china-stocks-meltdown-asian-markets-spooked-150824022052500.html

Now which do think may be more important news?? Voyeuristic Wankers
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August 24, 2015 6:31pm
EAD

It’s happening:

China’s ‘Black Monday’: panic grips global financial markets as stocks undergo “bloodbath”:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/11819812/Black-Monday-panic-grips-global-financial-markets-bloodbath-of-selling-live.html

Thursdays and Fridays 2 Day Stock Market Crash Was Larger Than Any 1 Day Stock Market Crash In U.S. History

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/this-2-day-stock-market-crash-was-larger-than-any-1-day-stock-market-crash-in-u-s-history

Nothing to see here folks – ignore everything EAD has been saying since he has been on Kiwiblog
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August 24, 2015 6:35pm
Nostradamus

EAD:

“looking behind the curtain”

That’s one way to get Starboard’s attention!
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August 24, 2015 6:35pm
Odakyu-sen

Jack5

“It’s getting close to a riot, Manolo. NZ down, too, by about 2.35 per cent.”

Got a way to go yet. Shanghai is just returning to its norm before the spike. I would like to see the Dow retreat to around 10,000 points. (I have no idea what it will do. If I did, I wouldn’t be posting on this forum, that’s for sure.)

All I can say is the time to buy is when there’s blood running in the streets.

The good news for me is that the yen is recovering against the Kiwi. (Go you good thing!) Around 70-75 yen to the Kiwi would suit me fine.

Just one last thing. I recon no one in NZ under the age of 47 has any experience with a real recession. (How did I come up with that?) Well, the last “crash” in NZ was in 1987. Only of graduating age or older (20 years old +) would really have noticed. That means that if they had been born after 1967, they probably wouldn’t really have noticed the crash as it wouldn’t have affected them directly. Those kids who were 20 in 1987 are now aged 48.

This means that most younger Kiwis really have no idea how nasty a red-blooded recession can be. Also, the Asians have only really known good times (with the exception of the Japanese) in the last 25 years.
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August 24, 2015 6:36pm
stigie

Are you the good Doctor Nasska ? What hillbilly treatment that you have to offer ole chap ??
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August 24, 2015 6:38pm
Manolo

@EDA: Who is going to win the second race at Ellerslie on Saturday? Even better, give me the trifecta.
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August 24, 2015 6:39pm
EAD

Global Trade In Freefall: Container Freight Rates From Asia To Europe Crash 60% In Three Weeks

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-23/global-trade-freefall-container-freight-rates-asia-europe-crash-60-three-weeks

Stick with Griff, Mikemild, Stephieboy, Politicians and the central bankers – they’ll see you to safety in the storm….

@ Manolo – sorry can’t help you with the horses. My speciality is calling out those in Politics and Finance who seek to deceive the masses.
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August 24, 2015 6:40pm
nasska

Cydectin should do the trick stigie. 🙂
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August 24, 2015 6:41pm
mikenmild

Now that would be a useful forecast, Manolo. Sadly, given EAD’s track record of quoting from places like ZeroHedge (accurately predicting 200 of the last 2 recessions), I don’t hold out much hope.
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August 24, 2015 6:42pm
Reid

Why I hate the MSM Stuff soon going to be added to my ex list of sites I visited.

Front page of Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/71398447/world-watches-as-plane-passenger-live-tweets-couples-meltdown

Yes…

No doubt this will be the breathless headliner tomorrow on Paul Henry’s moronic Social Media Bunker segment.

Or perhaps not, since that was yesterday’s news, the world has moved on, in the extra special exciting world of morons discussing meaningless shit with their peers and contemporaries.
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August 24, 2015 6:43pm
Manolo

@Jack5: Patience, calmness and a cool-head are required from investors at this time.
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August 24, 2015 6:44pm
waikatogirl

Beneficiary on TV1News complaining she bought a $3,000 exercise machine convinced Work and Income would pay for the machine. She has anxiety and a few aches and pains so feels she can’t run outside. She took her complaint that Work and Income turned her down to the Social Security Appeal Authority who ordered the Ministry to pay $2,000. Work and Income appealed to the High Court. Is it right that a beneficiary should expect the taxpayer to pay?

A beneficiary advocate says it is great she showed initiative to fix her problems… He says this case could have big implications.

Great! How much has this cost the taxpayer already!

Any working Kiwi with medical issues is not able to ask the taxpayer to pay for exercise equipment yet this beneficiary EXPECTED there not to be any issue with reimbursement.
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August 24, 2015 6:48pm
nasska

Odakyu-sen

I wouldn’t be farming if it hadn’t been for the 1987 recession. I lost my driving job & risked everything on a forestry development partnership which was bought out by a syndicate looking to spread their investments. Left me with a healthy deposit for a farm about the time when land prices had slid under the door.

Not everyone loses in a recession.
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August 24, 2015 6:50pm
Manolo

@waikatogirl: Further proof NZ is not short of parasites and bludgers with a full sense of entitlement.
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August 24, 2015 6:57pm
waikatogirl

Manolo, She couldn’t believe it wasn’t her right.

I nearly threw something at the TV!
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August 24, 2015 7:00pm
Reid

Is it right that a beneficiary should expect the taxpayer to pay?

The Social Security Appeal Authority

The Appeal Authority is administered by the Ministry of Justice. It has three members appointed by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Minister of Social Development, after consultation with the Minister of Justice.

OK so here are the candidates:
https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2013-go3273

So let’s guess whodunnit. Mine is:
http://www.justice.govt.nz/tribunals/waitangi-tribunal/about/tribunal-members/tureiti-moxon

Also let me guess.

Justice isn’t about to release the name, and our idiot media isn’t about to ask for it, either.
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August 24, 2015 7:04pm
Awww C-mon

@waikato girl did you notice the big screened smart phone, new samsung i think… the big screen TV was an older one at least.

If she wants exercise should try cleaning her shit up.
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August 24, 2015 7:16pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jnt1s10qdjpqll6/Godnutters%2012.jpg?dl=0
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August 24, 2015 8:06pm
waikatogirl

Aww C-mon
If she wants exercise should try cleaning her shit up.
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I thought that too, do some exercise by doing a clean up and housework. Looked like she needed a good scrub too.

Please cancel the abuse report, my screen froze and then burped!!
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August 24, 2015 8:24pm
stigie

She is living the high life with not a care in the world !~

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/social-issues-repossess-mortgage-credit_crunch-economic-recession-ksmn2776_low.jpg
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August 24, 2015 8:27pm
cricko

So, we hear that there are over 300,000 children in New Zealand living in poverty,
no shoes to wear to school, no raincoat to wear in the rain, no lunch to eat,
living in damp, cold mouldy houses….etc. etc…. is that true ?

By applying the same standards, how many children in say Australia are equally deprived, 6.5 million ?
how many in the USA, 50 million ?, how many in Brittain 15 million.

300,000 children living in poverty in NZ is one of the biggest crocks of shit ever foisted on a gullible population ever.

Who is fomenting these lies and why ?

Jacinda Ardern rose to No 3 in Labour telling such lies.
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August 24, 2015 8:32pm
Awww C-mon

Y-kato girl. Didnt feel like a real KBer without a abusive comment report so thank you!

It was a shocking story
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August 24, 2015 8:34pm
nasska

Won’t happen to Penny stigie. At least not if she invests in this upmarket mobile version. 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qy0pwkxerkdy760/Waterwoman%2017.jpg?dl=0
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August 24, 2015 8:36pm
stigie

@Cricko Poverty in NZ is if you dont have Sky TV, flatscreen and a smart phone !~
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August 24, 2015 8:38pm
stigie

Come October, we shall find out Nasska ?
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August 24, 2015 8:40pm
Awww C-mon

Oh shit, Stigie Im broke then…
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August 24, 2015 8:42pm
Reid

300,000 children living in poverty in NZ is one of the biggest crocks of shit ever foisted on a gullible population ever.

No that’d be 911 cricko.

For example, why is the US still in Afghanistan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207224/Three-contractors-killed-Afghanistan-suicide-car-bomber-attacked-NATO-convoy.html

Why, to reap the poppy harvest they created in the first place, after the Taliban eliminated it.

Duh.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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August 24, 2015 8:47pm
stigie

Will you be reduced to one of these Awww C-mon ?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS83EAX7q9USkBDQPQOVkW8uNNRy05WFUclemIkEwG1KO7fLHkw1w
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August 24, 2015 8:48pm
Manolo

The future appears bleak: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/21/turmoil-watch-cnbc-special-report.html

U.S. stock futures opened lower on Sunday after Wall Street recorded its worst day since 2011.
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August 24, 2015 8:49pm
Awww C-mon

Perhaps Stigie, I must admit to a smart phone and flat screen TV, but no Sky! shall I ring my MP?

Reid- really?? you could bring it back to your crackpot theories from that… well done!
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August 24, 2015 8:52pm
mikenmild

No, there is a connection there Aww C-mon. You see the definition of poverty is one created by academics under the auspices of the United Nations, an Illuminati front. Those academics were, of course, influenced by the Frankfurt School, a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy to ruin the Western world by Marxist decay of fundamental institutions. 9/11, of course, is part of the same Bolshevik-Jewish-Masonic conspiracy. 9/11 helps by provoking war between the west and Islam, thereby aiding the fake Jews running Israel and perhaps helping to provoke the rise of the Anti-Christ.
I hope that cleared things up for you.
This is all true, because I read it on the internet.
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August 24, 2015 8:59pm
Awww C-mon

oh wow, impressive MM
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August 24, 2015 9:02pm
cricko

The point I was trying to make was………

If we all know that when someone claims that over 300,000 children in NZ live in poverty that
that is palpable bullshit……………

Why does no one call that out ?

Even power companies use lies like that to try and build inventory.
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August 24, 2015 9:06pm
Awww C-mon

they do Cricko, it just doesn’t suit the agenda so doesn’t get picked up

you know that though
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August 24, 2015 9:08pm
Nostradamus

Cricko:

You pose questions that’ve been discussed on Kiwiblog before – which doesn’t mean they aren’t worth discussing again.

This article – Sydney’s poorest under the spotlight – may be of interest:

On the fringes of Sydney, a homeless man is hunting for birds with a slingshot. Why pay for a chicken in a shop, William reasons, when you can have a free feed? He likes to stuff the birds with rice, onion, tomato and “some of those Italian herbs”, a serve of mashed potato and pumpkin on the side. It is a slightly surreal and unexpectedly light-hearted moment in the first episode of Struggle Street, a three-part observational series that unflinchingly portrays life on the social and economic fringes of Mt Druitt in outer Sydney.

I’ve seen this documentary. It’s pretty eye-opening stuff. And some people tried to stop the programme from going to air.

The stuff that happens in Mt Druitt is inter-generational and, when you add drugs into the mix, it’s hard to see how the locals can pull themselves out of it. But that’s what they have to do.

So recommended TV viewing: Struggle Street, TV One, Wednesday
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August 24, 2015 9:11pm
Simon

“The future appears bleak:”

The future is bleak for statist mongs who attempted to plan economies. Free market capitalism will replace the statist clowns in time and future will be very good in the medium term.
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August 24, 2015 9:13pm
cricko

If you believe that it’s true that over 300 thousand children in NZ live in poverty…

Then you will thumb down this comment when I say that is bullshit.

(ps nostrowhatever…. please try and get my moniker right.)
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August 24, 2015 9:15pm
waikatogirl

Aww C-mon
Y-kato girl. Didnt feel like a real KBer without a abusive comment report so thank you!
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Glad I could help 🙂

What is the cost of the Govt taking this stupid recommendation by the Social Security Appeal Authority to the High Court on appeal?
It is obviously worth paying the large cost to fight against the Sunsami of claims for equally selfish reasons that this woman expected our welfare system to pay for.

The sense of entitlement is mind blowing.
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August 24, 2015 9:16pm
Manolo

The risk of running these events near towns: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3208409/Calls-air-safety-rules-reviewed-police-warn-death-toll-Shoreham-crash-disaster-rise.html
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August 24, 2015 9:16pm
waikatogirl

11 dead Manolo but they are lifting the plane tomorrow so may find more bodies.
Awful.
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August 24, 2015 9:22pm
Awww C-mon

Y-Kato Girl

Really glad WINZ are taking this to the High Court, they have to fit bullshit like this to the very end.

I worked in this area for around 18 months, drove my fucking nuts but WINZ are pretty damn good in most aspects.
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August 24, 2015 9:22pm
Left Right and Centre

Someone for the love of all that’s holy has to start off 25 Aug GD with the beneficiary who bought a $3 000 running machine from an infomercial and charged it to MSD without asking them for approval. Might even get its own thread.

She’s certainly giving them the run around so far – it must be working.
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August 24, 2015 9:23pm
deadrightkev

Dennis Horne

I note the down ticks you got from the John Key sycophants for pointing out the Auckland scene.

I don’t think Key can be blamed for property prices as such but he sure can be blamed for the massive fuck up that is Auckland governance through the Super City legislation. He had his chance to make a great influence in NZ but he is a UN stooge social engineer so for that I give you an up tick.
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August 24, 2015 9:30pm
Nostradamus

Cricko:

(ps nostrowhatever…. please try and get my moniker right.)

Awww C-mon wrote “Cricko” in his 9:08 pm comment. I wrote “Cricko” in my 9:11pm comment.

I thought I’d engage with you constructively, but if you’re not interested, then fine.
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August 24, 2015 9:30pm
nasska

….”300 thousand children in NZ live in poverty”….

Of course it’s bullshit! You know that, I know that, even the socialists know that but it suits their agenda…..for now.

The level of poverty this year is measured against a “European standard measure of absolute hardship”. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11496779 If Ardern & her motley collection of fellow bludgers ever become government the hardship rates will fall.

This will have nothing to do with shoes, heating or food but will be because the Left will change the definition of poverty to something that makes them look good.

Fixed.
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August 24, 2015 9:34pm
cricko

Thing is,
it’s incredible.

How so many people can be conned, confused and fooled.

Like the people who suck it up when they are told that 300 thousand children in New Zealand live
in poverty.

The incredible thing is that there are so many people who just accept what they are told and are unable to think for themselves.
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August 24, 2015 9:38pm
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deadrightkev

Key cant be blamed for Dorkland, its been a fucking embarrassment for decades now.

Any city with a landmark called one tree hill with no tree on it…. fucking joke.

The council, the Mayor, the Port, the transport, the industry, the rugby team…. total basket case.
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August 24, 2015 9:41pm
nasska

50% of people are of below average intelligence cricko. Many well under & they’re the fastest breeders.

It’s not a case of survival of the fittest any more.
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August 24, 2015 9:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska

It’s not a case of survival of the fittest any more.

Fitness in evolutionary terms is a measure of an individual’s ability to leave offspring that, in turn, can reproduce and leave offspring.

The fastest breeders are the fittest (assuming their offspring are capable of breeding).
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August 24, 2015 10:25pm
Jack5

Before McCully and his MFAT minions go overboard supporting Ukraine against Russia, they should be sure present day Ukraine has stopped glorifying its Nazi-allied “hero”: Bandera.

The Ukrainians have some horrifyingly nasty World War 2 crimes to abjure. People point to Japan and contrast it with the way the Germans have fronted up to their World War 2 past, but in present day Ukraine, Bandera, the World War 2 pro-Nazi leader, remains a hero to many.

The widespread atrocities against Ukrainian Jews by Ukrainians as well as by Germans were appallingly cruel and beyond despicable. The Banderites also slaughtered thousands of Polish civilians. If the Ukrainians want to be allied to the West they need to stop Bandera worship.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/a-ghost-of-world-war-ii-history-haunts-ukraines-standoff-with-russia/2014/03/25/18d4b1e0-a503-4f73-aaa7-5dd5d6a1c665_story.html

AND, for horrifying details of atrocities in World War 2 Ukraine from the Daily Mail today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205754/Blood-oozed-soil-grave-sites-pits-alive-secrets-Ukraine-s-shameful-Holocaust-Bullets-killing-centre-1-6million-Jews-executed.html
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August 24, 2015 11:24pm
Manolo

The lies multiply: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/24/dhs-has-no-record-state-dept-giving-info-for-clinton-server-audit-despite-rules/?intcmp=hpbt1

The State Department does not appear to have submitted legally required information regarding Hillary Clinton’s secret computer server to the Department of Homeland Security during her term as secretary.

Clinton headed the agency from 2009-2013. The DHS established the “Continuous Diagnostics and Mitigation” program in 2010, amid growing concerns government systems could be vulnerable to cyber attack. But Clinton’s computer server, through which she and key aides sent and received tens of thousands of emails, was apparently never audited, according to DHS, which conducted a comprehensive search of Office of Cyber Security and Communications records after FoxNews.com lodged its request.
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August 25, 2015 6:35am
Manolo

The blind leading the hopeless: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3209237/Brown-backs-Yvette-Former-PM-boosts-Cooper-s-flagging-campaign-stop-Corbyn-surprise-endorsement.html
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August 25, 2015 6:49am
Manolo

Wonderful economic policy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11820156/Jeremy-Corbyn-will-sack-Bank-of-England-governor-if-they-refuse-to-print-free-money.html

Jeremy Corbyn could sack the Bank of England governor if they refused to print money to fund his spending projects, the leftwinger’s economic adviser has suggested.
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