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Dennis Horne

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There was a Pin-Up-PM called Key
Who was wired for electricity
We are in for a shock
When the policies ad hoc
Bite the arse of the bourgeoisie
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August 21, 2015 8:01am
mikenmild

Dennis was a poet
Less lyrical than some
When setting out a rhyme
That came out of his bum
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August 21, 2015 8:04am
Viking2

Nice day outside.
Perhaps some of you inside critters could go catch some sun today.
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August 21, 2015 8:06am
mikenmild

Karma:
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/man-at-muslim-free-gun-range-drops-rifle-accidentally-shoots-himself/story-fnh81jut-1227492078700
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August 21, 2015 8:10am
oldpark

What an indictment of two anti John Key and National Government news outlets. The Labour/Green imbedded losers in Newstalk ZB and the lightweight nz herald daily rag . When Roy Morgan polls showed National down in the polls last month, the results led every news bulletins and newspaper columns. This time with Labour/Greens taking a massive hit in the latest Roy Morgan Poll.The sound of silence from both news outlets are deafening. The so called ratbag from Newstalk ZB known as the Chief Parliamentary Reporter should hang his anti John Key and his National Party Government head in shame. As for the daily rag nz herald, their bias against John Key and his Government is legendary.
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August 21, 2015 8:10am
Viking2

Fifty-eight New Zealand Post boxes have been removed from Wellington since June.
FAIRFAX NZ

Fifty-eight New Zealand Post boxes have been removed from Wellington since June.

The distinct and long-standing red and silver post boxes dotting Wellington’s streets are going missing in action.

Residents and the union representing posties say they are disappearing by “stealth” in a move that is leaving letter-posters in the lurch.

Two have even been quietly removed from right outside the Postal Workers Union of Aotearoa’s offices, in what southern district president John Maynard said was a “slap in the face” from New Zealand Post.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71304138/58-wellington-post-boxes-removed-since-june-as-mail-volumes-fall

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Booho; by a big cry baby.

well he is union of course.

Wonder when he last posted any mail?

Maybe he is still in the dark ages like his job and still hand writes his letters to post.

Or, he is just a hypocritical unionist as they always are.
Emails his stuff like the rest of the world.

Why the fuck Stuff give space to this crap one will never understand.
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August 21, 2015 8:11am
Don the Kiwi

Obama is an arsehole.

A young woman who is a survivor of abortion 20 odd years ago spoke to Obama and asked him to cease his firm advocacy for abortion.
He smiled at her and said, “You should never have been born”

What a complete arsehole.
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August 21, 2015 8:12am
stephieboy

Don the Kiwi .

Could you source that alleged quote by the President ?
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August 21, 2015 8:15am
KiwiGreg

Don I’ll bet that never happened.
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August 21, 2015 8:15am
Lance

@Don the Kiwi
I am not a fan of Obama but do you have some proof he actually said that?

I frequently hear people talking absolute lies about what Obama has supposed to have done or said.
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August 21, 2015 8:19am
CHFR

Can’t believe I am about to agree with stephiboy but as much as I hate Obama I can’t find that quote attributed to him. He is an ass of the first order but lies do not help the opposition cause and as bad as he is off teleprompter I can’t believe he would have said that I am afraid.
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August 21, 2015 8:22am
SGA

@Don the Kiwi
I’m curious about the source of your information too!
(PS – What does survived an abortion mean?)
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August 21, 2015 8:26am
EAD

Mouldymike on the public tit,
all day did he sit,
from dusk till dawn,
typing inanities forlorn,
Which the rest of us thought were shit
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August 21, 2015 8:26am
oldpark

@Viking 2 8.11 am

Let us not forget the alleged architect of the demise of the post boxes?

Would you believe ex Sullen Cullen from Clarks Liebour Party. Cullen is chairman of NZPO.
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August 21, 2015 8:26am
Lance

@Don the Kiwi
The worst offenders for talking absolute lies are fundamentalist Christians. I know because I used to move in those circles.
The people spreading those lies were most likely unaware they were lies, they were just easily duped by people who wanted to make a point so they happily spread utter utter lies about a person or an organisation.
This makes me very angry as for years I swallowed this nonsense, it all looked like a vast conspiracy, why couldn’t everyone else see it?

My eyes started to open years ago when I looked into the Masons to confirm how evil they were. What I found was the opposite, the Masons have been sorely wronged by Christians, so much so that they deserve a collective apology.

Your goal should be the truth, even if you don’t like the truth.

And before any atheists chortle with glee… you bunch are at least as deceptive, if not worse.
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August 21, 2015 8:28am
kowtow

It may not be a directly attributable quote, this appears to be what it’s about.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gianna-jessen-to-sen-obamas-attacks-ive-dealt-with-worse-ive-survived-an-ab
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August 21, 2015 8:31am
Scott Chris

There are ~~263~~ 259 Takahe left in the world. Nice one Deer Stalkers Association.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/71319211/critically-endangered-takahe-shot-in-case-of-mistaken-identity
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August 21, 2015 8:31am
kowtow

“Cultural” considerations ? Foreigners get different consideration in our courts.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/353174/culture-defence-slap-son
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August 21, 2015 8:33am
Scott Chris

The worst offenders for talking absolute lies are fundamentalist Christians.

Some maybe, especially the predatory evangelical preachers. But I’d suggest that most are not really Christian, rather they’re psychopathic conmen and conwomen who’ve found a convenient disguise.
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August 21, 2015 8:36am
Griff

before any atheists chortle with glee… you bunch are at least as deceptive, if not worse.

Have any proof lance ?
I can find at lest a dozen post distorting realty on here in the last week by the anti abortion faction .
In particular the political attacks on planed parent hood were legal and ethically acceptable cost recovery is misconstrued as selling dead baby’s.
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August 21, 2015 8:37am
kowtow

“There are 263 259 Takahe left in the world. Nice one Deer Stalkers Association.”

Pity they didn’t kill all of them, it would save the taxpayer a small fortune.

ps Don’t blame the hooters ,what idiot thought it necessary to cull the other birds and then not ensure the shooters knew what they were doing. Sounds lke more public service in competence.
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August 21, 2015 8:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Surely it is time for a bunch of bird breeders to take over rare bird conservation projects in NZ.
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August 21, 2015 8:40am
itstricky

Don I’ll bet that never happened

Or – he did say it – it’s just been massively taken out of context.
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August 21, 2015 8:42am
Scott Chris

The sad story of the Bachman’s Warbler as told by Bill Bryson:

Perhaps nothing speaks more vividly for the strangeness of the times than the fate of the lovely little Bachman’s warbler. A native of the southern United States, the warbler was famous for its unusually thrilling song, but its population numbers, never robust, gradually dwindled until by the 1930s the warbler vanished altogether and went unseen for many years. Then in 1939, by happy coincidence two separate birding enthusiasts, in widely separated locations, came across lone survivors just two days apart. They both shot the birds, and that was the last that was ever seen of Bachman’s warblers. …
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August 21, 2015 8:43am
Kimbo

@ Scott Chris

The worst offenders for talking absolute lies are fundamentalist Christians.

Some maybe, especially the predatory evangelical preachers. But I’d suggest that most are not really Christian, rather they’re psychopathic conmen and conwomen who’ve found a convenient disguise.

Umm, that is the ‘no true Scotsman’ logical fallacy.

But I’m sure you already knew that…
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August 21, 2015 8:43am
All_on_Red

oldpark
I reckon one could script a nice satirical piece based on the adventures of “Dick Soper” Parlimentary Investigator and his gorgeous sidekick ” Hot Pussy”.
Story lines could include: The Great Car Boot Wine theft, The Naked man and the Swiss Ball, Zombie Circus- The Walking Dead in NZ First.
Any other suggestions?
Anyway, enough procrastination , I should do some work.
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August 21, 2015 8:43am
labrator

Why the fuck Stuff give space to this crap one will never understand.

Why the hell do you still read it? I never understand people that continually fill social media with complaints about the quality of journalism at the two main NZ papers. It’s like going for a walk in the rain and complaining about getting wet. Send them a market signal and stop reading it.
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August 21, 2015 8:54am
lofty

Maggy Wassilieff (1,603 comments) says:
August 21st, 2015 at 8:40 am
Surely it is time for a bunch of bird breeders to take over rare bird conservation projects in NZ.
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I was just talking about this very thing the other day with a staff member, she recoiled in shock at the thought that Kiwi could be farmed and sold for food and feathers, I even suggested the beaks could be used as chopsticks.

Once I explained seriously that the Kiwi (Takahe, Kereru etc etc) could be bred in big numbers by enterprising growers, and if there was a stipulation on any licence that at least 10 – 15% have to released to the wild, kiwis would be running around like chooks, and sparrows…kind of….she saw the reasoning in the discussion.

Time for a true kiwiburger!
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August 21, 2015 8:56am
peterwn

Viking2 – If it were not for security requirements, simple lamp post mounted posting boxes cleared by posties could be used. Issues unfortunately would be break-in’s and vandalism, and the need to use a less expensive lock than the high tech ‘Cyberlocks’ would compromise security. An option could be to extend the rural delivery concept to town with posties picking up mail from boxes with a red flag raised.
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August 21, 2015 8:59am
kowtow

miknmild , karma.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3203685/Captured-bound-rope-mouth-crucified-Rebels-turn-tables-ISIS-torture-seized-jihadist.html

Interesting that great statesmen (yeah right) like Obama and Camoron helped bring about this cruelty and anarchy ,which has also resulted in a massive migrant crisis.

Disclaimer. Kowtow does not condone torture or other similar forms of mistreating our fellow human beings. He should have been tried and then shot.
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August 21, 2015 9:05am
gravedodger

@ Griff 8 37, would planed parenthood involve genital mutilation? just asking.
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August 21, 2015 9:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Lofty

DOC has buggered around with Takahe, kakapo and kiwi conservation and breeding for decades.

Finally they realise that conventional breeding techniques work.

But they’ve had too many “unfortunate accidents” for me to ever believe they will do anything other than render the birds extinct.
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August 21, 2015 9:10am
Lance

Maybe DOC should just stick to saving rare snails… no… wait
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August 21, 2015 9:14am
Viking2

peterwn (3,736 comments) says:
August 21st, 2015 at 8:59 am

Viking2 – If it were not for security requirements, simple lamp post mounted posting boxes cleared by posties could be used. Issues unfortunately would be break-in’s and vandalism, and the need to use a less expensive lock than the high tech ‘Cyberlocks’ would compromise security. An option could be to extend the rural delivery concept to town with posties picking up mail from boxes with a red flag raised.
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UM why?

Like cheques mail is obsolete almost.

When did you last write a cheque?
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August 21, 2015 9:18am
Odakyu-sen

My experience with “fundamentalist Christians” is that they tend not to listen to God in their hearts but instead to the words spoken by the leaders of their church.

An herein lies the potential for them to be led astray.
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August 21, 2015 9:24am
lofty

@ Maggy

I agree Maggy and that premise was the basis of our discussion in the office.

DOC has done what they have done with the best of intentions, no doubt, but I have no hope for the future like you.

Put a dollar return on the birds, and growers will privately ensure the survival of species, by developing markets and sales, unfortunately NZ’rs like our staff have been brainwashed into believing that the birds are so sacrosanct and that “private enterprise” is so bad.

The end result is that populace mindset along side DOC’s stranglehold on breeding will spell the demise of the birds eventually.
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August 21, 2015 9:29am
wreck1080

John Key said the anti smacking law will not result in cases like this…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11500626

What happened to police using their discretion like John Key said?
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August 21, 2015 9:29am
itstricky

Trying to defend slapping another human being across the face… Nice…
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August 21, 2015 9:42am
Kiwi Dave

A rhymster infected by doggerel
Inflicted his verse on Kiwi Blog till
His readers in pain
Cried out, ‘Please refrain!
Your folderol belongs on your bog roll.’

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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August 21, 2015 9:44am
Nookin

“John Key said the anti smacking law will not result in cases like this…”

No he didn’t.
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August 21, 2015 9:44am
gravedodger

If it was three smacks to the head of a thirteen year old, as an opponent of the seriously flawed “anti smacking legislation, it would have been far more appropriate to have dealt with that assault under common assault law and there is plenty of that available.
The published outcome from the Qtown court is really more evidence that Bradford’s effort was inappropriate ineffective, has had absolutely no effect in reducing the killing of children by non related males as a natural primitive response and should be vanquished from the statutes.
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August 21, 2015 9:46am
Hugh Pavletich

UNITED STATES: Stocks plunge 2% on Fed, growth concerns – Yahoo Finance

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dow-slips-triple-digits-nasdaq-140214802.html

U.S. stocks closed near session lows on Thursday, off more than 2 percent, as investors weighed continued uncertainty about the timing of a rate hike and concerns about global growth headed by slowing in China.

The S&P 500 and Dow Jones industrial average both had their worst day since Feb. 3, 2014. ( Tweet This )

“I think the markets are overly pessimistic,” said Anthony Valeri, investment strategist at LPL Financial. “I think this sentiment is panicking over news from China, the Fed (and) oil at six-year lows.” … read more via hyperlink above
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August 21, 2015 9:48am
Hugh Pavletich

BRAZIL UNEMPLOYMENT SOARS …

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/08/asx-at-the-close-500/

Unemployment soars in Brazil … Zerohedge

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-20/depression-tracker-unemployment-soars-latin-americas-most-important-economy

Brazil jobless rate hits five-year high – FT.com … google search title if blocked …

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7747d12e-4759-11e5-b3b2-1672f710807b.html#axzz3jHhUPCW1

Economy of Brazil – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Brazil

Brazil has the eighth largest economy by nominal GDP in the world as of 2015, and seventh largest by purchasing power parity. The Brazilian economy is characterized by moderately free markets and an inward-oriented economy.

Brazil’s economy is the largest of Latin America and the second largest in the western hemisphere.[17] From 2000 up to 2012, Brazil was one of the fastest-growing major economies in the world, with an average annual GDP growth rate of over 5%, with its economy in 2012 surpassing that of the United Kingdom … read more via hyperlinks above …

… and next door …

Venezuela’s currency is worth less than a napkin – Aug. 18, 2015 … CNN Money

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/18/news/economy/venezuela-currency-worth-less-than-a-napkin/

If Venezuela Implodes, Will Its Neighbors Be Ready? – Bloomberg View

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-19/maduro-s-venezuela-veers-toward-a-humanitarian-crisis

Oil price slide casts doubt on Venezuela’s bonds – FT.com ( google search title if blocked )

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/bf292f54-4125-11e5-9abe-5b335da3a90e.html#axzz3jHhUPCW1
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August 21, 2015 9:49am
wiseowl

Viking
Just been to pay my rates with a cheque.

Writing it out reminds me of the thieving sods and how councils increase rates every year.This mid term year the rates have risen considerably which is done on purpose so they don’t have much of a rise next year before the local body elections.
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August 21, 2015 9:51am
dime

“Trying to defend slapping another human being across the face… Nice…”

Dime doesnt believe in smacking or hitting other people but could you make it sound more dramatic? my god.
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August 21, 2015 9:54am
Viking2

wiseowl (1,518 comments) says:
August 21st, 2015 at 9:51 am

Viking
Just been to pay my rates with a cheque.

Writing it out reminds me of the thieving sods and how councils increase rates every year.This mid term year the rates have risen considerably which is done on purpose so they don’t have much of a rise next year before the local body elections.
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Might make you feel grumpy but won’t change the rates at all.
Much easier to do it all online. Saves an envelope and a stamp and puts more Unionsts to the torch.
Get with the program here.
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August 21, 2015 10:36am
wreck1080

@itstricky

You are exactly the problem with NZ at the moment.

You’d think the boy had been brutally assaulted by a stranger they way you explain it.

Your name isn’t Sue Bradford by any chance?
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August 21, 2015 10:50am
mikenmild

You think parents should be free to smack their kids across the face? Nice.
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August 21, 2015 10:57am
Michael

The Edge’s cucumber test for women only. Maybe Dennis could write a limerick about it.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/71324628/bachelorette-dani-robinson-speaks-out-against-the-edges-cucumber-game
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August 21, 2015 10:59am
cha

What a complete arsehole.

C’mon Don, say it….

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/general_debate_17_october_2013.html#comment-1219568
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August 21, 2015 10:59am
mikenmild

Don the Fuckwit has got quite a potty mouth for a clergyman.
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August 21, 2015 11:05am
Griff

Lovely Christian that don cha.
lying for Jesus is sooo acceptable.
It almost makes me wish Jesus was real and did return.
To watch such people being told to Foxtrot Oscar by gods son would be no end of fun.
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August 21, 2015 11:05am
Chuck Bird

This is why judges need to be held to account.

Caseload: Judge did it again
9:22 AM Friday Aug 21, 2015

Justice Patrick Keane rejected a Crown submission for preventive detention for a HIV-positive child-sex offender.

Justice Patrick Keane – who rejected a preventive detention bid that would have stopped Tony Douglas Robertson going on to rape and murder Blessie Gotingco – has a track record.

Justice Keane’s rejection – and the consequences – of then-Crown prosecutor Simon Bridges’ 2005 bid to have Robertson jailed for an infinite term of preventive detention for child molestation are well documented.

What is less well known is that in late 2010 Justice Keane also rejected another call for preventive detention when jailing repeat child-sex offender Roy Francis, 27.

HIV-positive Francis, who abused children under 12 after his release from a 15-month jail sentence for molesting a seven year old boy, admitted 18 sexual offences committed over nearly three months.

Thirteen of the charges related to a girl under 12, including rape and sexual violation. The other five charges related to sexual conduct with a boy under 12.

On that occasion, Justice Keane again rejected a strong Crown submission for preventive detention, instead sentencing Francis to nine years and four months jail, with a non-parole period of four years and eight months.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11499707
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August 21, 2015 11:09am
stephieboy

milkenmild, Don the Kiwi a clergyman ? Church of Scientology or Westboro Baptist ?
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August 21, 2015 11:23am
Griff

Don is a deacon in the Anglican church.
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August 21, 2015 11:28am
fernglas

Chuck

If Justice Keane has only declined to impose preventive detention twice since 2003 he would be in a class of his own. Most High Court judges would get that opportunity a number of times each year, and certainly would impose it less often than they would decline to do so.
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August 21, 2015 11:30am
Fletch

Iran is allowed to do their own inspections of their own nuclear sites.

VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site

That is the height of idiocy. As Hillel Neuer of U.N Watch said, “Allowing Iran to inspect its own accused nuclear weapons activity is like allowing Bill Cosby to rate his own dating etiquette”.
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August 21, 2015 11:35am
cha

Don is a deacon in the Anglican church.

He’s outed himself as a catholic deacon.
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August 21, 2015 11:36am
cha

That is the height of idiocy.

Meanwhile…

Thirty-six retired U.S. generals and admirals published an open letter on Tuesday announcing their support of the Iran deal “as the most effective means currently available to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.”

[…]

Among the letter’s signatories was also Retired Navy Rear Adm. Harold L. Robinson, a rabbi and former naval chaplain, who told The Washington Post that he decided to sign the letter to show that “those of us who love Israel in the United States are not of one mind and one voice on this matter. I thought it was important to represent some of the diversity within the American Jewish community.”

“As a lifelong Zionist, devoted to Israel, and a retired general officer and a rabbi for over 40 years, and operating without institutional encumbrances, I have a unique perspective,” Robinson told the Post.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.670756
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August 21, 2015 11:42am
Chuck Bird

@fernglas

Well if that is the case the law need to be reworded so it applied more often in the case of these sexual predators.

I find it incredible that this HIV+ deviant only got 15 months in jail for for molesting a seven year old boy, admitted 18 sexual offences committed over nearly three months.

What sort of judge would give such a lenient sentence to such a deviant? Judges need to be held to account.
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August 21, 2015 11:45am
Fletch

Another white person pretending to be black. This time it’s the organizer of Black Lives Matter, Shaun King, who has been outed by his family as being white (in much the same way as Rachel Dolezal was outed by her white family).

http://allenbwest.com/2015/08/guy-behind-black-lives-matter-movement-just-got-busted/#mydailysocial
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August 21, 2015 11:53am
David Garrett

I think I am the first on this one…one Ford Hurunui, aged 27, is in a critical condition after being shot by Police in Motueka…according to witnesses he presented a shotgun at the coppers, and ignored “repeated warnings” over a period of ten minutes or so before being shot in the chest…

Good result…my sympathies are entirely with the cop, who will now endure endless inquiries as well as having to cope with the effects of shooting a man…well “man” is being a bit generous…another POS who might think twice next time, if he survives…
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August 21, 2015 11:58am
big bruv

DG

I am shocked that another of the special people has had another run in with the Police.

Colonisation has a terrible lot to answer for.
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August 21, 2015 12:01pm
David Garrett

BB: Yes indeed…Dolphy Kahu in the North Island, Mr Hurunui in the south…hapless victims of colonization both…
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August 21, 2015 12:06pm
Manolo

A sudden change of tune: http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-says-classified-emails-were-on-server-1440030491

Hillary Clinton’s campaign said Wednesday that emails on the private server she used when she was secretary of state contained material that is now classified, the clearest explanation thus far of an issue that has roiled her bid for the presidency.

At the same time, the campaign sought to play down the disclosure by saying the material had been retroactively classified out of an abundance of caution by U.S. intelligence agencies.
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August 21, 2015 12:16pm
David Garrett

I find myself thinking about the contemporary practice of translating everything into te reo…for the benefit of the 3,450 who speak it, and the 0% of those who don’t also understand English…

How about a billboard showing a cop – a Maori or PI perhaps – with a pistol pointing straight out, with the legend – in both English and te reo of course:

“Point a gun at a cop and you will probably get shot”

te reo speakers please oblige with the translation…
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August 21, 2015 12:23pm
Manolo

Will Tsipras and/or Syriza make a come-back? http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/us-eurozone-greece-resignation-idUSKCN0QP1Q820150820

Tsipras submitted his resignation to President Prokopis Pavlopoulos and asked for the earliest possible election date.

Government officials said the aim was to hold the election on Sept. 20, with Tsipras seeking to crush a rebellion in his leftist Syriza party and seal public support for the bailout program, Greece’s third since 2010, that he negotiated.
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August 21, 2015 12:26pm
wiseowl

DG.
Make sure you get the name right.

FORD.

Wonder where that came from?
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August 21, 2015 12:35pm
James Stephenson

@wiseowl – well I’m not picking that his parents were Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy fans.
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August 21, 2015 12:37pm
igm

Why are PIs plundering our paua stocks given pathetic sentences? They should be deported.
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August 21, 2015 12:42pm
Dave_1924

Boag points a finger at someone for taking money to both talk about people in a nice way BUT also hush money to not say anything..

makes accusation on Plunketts show…

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Are-Kiwi-bloggers-taking-payment-to-stay-silent/tabid/506/articleID/94701/Default.aspx
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August 21, 2015 12:42pm
Fletch

cha, I don’t see how anyone with even a modicum of common sense can support the Iran deal. If this deal goes through, Iran will get billions of dollars and America will be the #1 sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East.
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August 21, 2015 12:55pm
cha

Iran is allowed to do their own inspections of their own nuclear sites.

Nope.

Statement by IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano

20 August 2015

Featured, Press Releases

I am disturbed by statements suggesting that the IAEA has given responsibility for nuclear inspections

to Iran. Such statements misrepresent the way in which we will undertake this important verification

work.

The separate arrangements under the Road-map agreed between the IAEA and Iran in July are

confidential and I have a legal obligation not to make them public – the same obligation I have for

hundreds of such arrangements made with other IAEA Member States.

However, I can state that the arrangements are technically sound and consistent with our

long-established practices. They do not compromise our safeguards standards in any way.

The Road-map between Iran and the IAEA is a very robust agreement, with strict timelines, which will

help us to clarify past and present outstanding issues regarding Iran’s nuclear programme.

https://www.iaea.org/press/?p=5108

The bottom line here is that this is all over a mild and widely anticipated compromise on a single set of inspections to a single, long-dormant site. The AP, deliberately or not, has distorted that into something that sounds much worse, but actually isn’t. The whole incident is a fascinating, if disturbing, example of how misleading reporting on technical issues can play into the politics of foreign policy.

[…]

The sourcing in the story, though, seemed to water it down a bit more. The report was not based not on an actual agreement, but rather on a copy of a draft agreement. The anonymous source who showed AP the document said there was a final version that is similar, but conspicuously refused to show AP the final version or go into specifics.

“The oldest Washington game is being played in Vienna,” Lewis said. “And that is leaking what appears to be a prejudicial and one-sided account of a confidential document to a friendly reporter, and using that to advance a particular policy agenda.”

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin
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August 21, 2015 12:57pm
Michael

SkyTV has been outbid by Fox Sports for the one day test matches being played in South Africa at the moment.
But why did Fox bid for that series? How many Australians would bother to even watch those matches, I wonder?
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August 21, 2015 1:07pm
Fletch

cha, members of the IAEA have been threatened by Iran if they disclose what is in the secret side deals, so I wouldn’t necessarily believe what they say.

Iranian leaders prevented a top International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) official from disclosing to U.S. officials the nature of secret side deals with the Islamic Republic by threatening harm to him, according to regional reports.

Yukiya Amano, IAEA director general, purportedly remained silent about the nature of certain side deals during briefings with top U.S. officials because he feared such disclosures would lead to retaliation by Iran, according to the spokesman for Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization (AEOI).

Amano was in Washington recently to brief members of Congress and others about the recently inked nuclear accord. However, he did not discuss the nature of side deals with Iran that the United States is not permitted to know about.

Iran apparently threatened Amano in a letter meant to ensure he did not reveal specific information about the nature of nuclear inspections going forward, according to Iranian AEOI spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-threatened-harm-to-top-nuke-inspector-to-prevent-disclosure-of-secret-deal/
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August 21, 2015 1:26pm
Fletch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-sA-NqMlvI
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August 21, 2015 1:28pm
cha

Fletch, should the IAEA disclose details of all agreements or only the details of agreements with people you don’t like?.

The separate arrangements under the Road-map agreed between the IAEA and Iran in July are confidential and I have a legal obligation not to make them public – the same obligation I have for hundreds of such arrangements made with other IAEA Member States

https://www.iaea.org/press/?p=5108
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August 21, 2015 1:36pm
stephieboy

cha, nothing will ever satisfy Fletch or the Tea Party Republican or any far Republican right ,

Statement by IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano
20 August 2015
Featured, Press Releases

I am disturbed by statements suggesting that the IAEA has given responsibility for nuclear inspections

to Iran. Such statements misrepresent the way in which we will undertake this important verification

work.

The separate arrangements under the Road-map agreed between the IAEA and Iran in July are

confidential and I have a legal obligation not to make them public – the same obligation I have for

hundreds of such arrangements made with other IAEA Member States.

However, I can state that the arrangements are technically sound and consistent with our

long-established practices. They do not compromise our safeguards standards in any way.

The Road-map between Iran and the IAEA is a very robust agreement, with strict timelines, which will

help us to clarify past and present outstanding issues regarding Iran’s nuclear programme.

Press contacts

Press Office
Office of Public Information and Communication
[43-1] 2600 21273
Press Enquiries

Including above from your link. With some one like Michelle Bachmann claiming the deal is end of times stuff ( Zechariah 12.3 )then we are not dealing with people who are in full possession of their rational faculties !
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August 21, 2015 1:49pm
cha

Hah, family values….

http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091

edit: because mum and dad did such a good job instilling their values in wee Josh

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/duggars-pitch-new-reality-show-counseling-sex-abuse-victims/
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August 21, 2015 1:55pm
Fletch

The separate arrangements under the Road-map agreed between the IAEA and Iran in July are confidential and I have a legal obligation not to make them public – the same obligation I have for hundreds of such arrangements made with other IAEA Member States

Bullshit. Not disclosing to the public, sure, but they won’t even disclose those parts of the deal to Members of Congress whose decision it is to approve the deal or not. That, quite frankly, is rubbish. Even Obama and Kerry reckon they don’t know the side deals. It’s the old “we have to pass it so we can see what’s in it” argument again that the Dems used for Obamacare, and look how that turned out.
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August 21, 2015 2:00pm
Nigel Kearney

FORD.

Wonder where that came from?

Heh. A theory about the name does suggest itself …
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August 21, 2015 2:01pm
cha

but they won’t even disclose those parts of the deal to Members of Congress

What, like the TPPA.
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August 21, 2015 2:07pm
stephieboy

Fletch , again check a on your rationality ? Do you seriously believe in the Obamacare alledged Death Panels?
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August 21, 2015 2:07pm
Fletch

Iran’s Envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency Reza Najafi objected to the US Senate’s demand for being briefed about the contents of the recently signed roadmap of cooperation between Tehran and the IAEA, warning the UN nuclear watchdog to avoid disclosing its secret agreements with Tehran.

“The agreements signed between a member country and the IAEA are definitely secret and cannot be presented to any other country at all,” Najafi said in an interview with the Iranian students news agency on Saturday.

Referring to the discussions at the US Congress during which the US officials elaborated on the nuclear agreement between Iran and the Group 5+1 (the US, Russia, China, Britain and France plus Germany), he said, “The discussions revealed that the secret texts between Iran and the Agency have not even been provided to the US administration.”

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.nz/2015/08/its-come-to-this-iran-demands-senate.html

To make Congress decide on whether an admitted aggressor like Iran (who still endorse the destruction of Israel and whose people hold rallies chanting ‘death to America’ , and whose ayatollah has just published a 416 page guide to destroying Israel and railing against the ‘American Great Satan’) must be the height of stupidity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183527/Iran-s-ayatollah-publishes-416-page-guide-destroying-Israel-rails-against-U-S-Great-Satan-despite-nuclear-deal.html
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August 21, 2015 2:10pm
stephieboy

From TM,

He would declare USA officially bankrupt.

Going Bankrupt Like Trump Did Is for High Rollers, Not Homeowners

“Donald Trump took advantage of the nation’s bankruptcy laws four times in the last 24 years, and if ordinary Americans in this country were allowed to do the same, the country would be in markedly better shape economically, with a far stronger post-recession recovery.

Asked during Thursday night’s Republican presidential debate whether his four corporate bankruptcies were a black mark on his economic stewardship, Trump sounded a bit defensive. “I have never gone bankrupt,” he said, making a distinction between a personal and a corporate bankruptcy, and anyway it was only four times among “thousands” of deals.”…

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/07/going-bankrupt
-like-donald-trump-high-rollers-homeowners/
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August 21, 2015 2:10pm
Don the Kiwi

Ooooh – the faux outrage from mm. – fancy a clergyman using that language – ooooh – naughty, naughty.

Perhaps if I had made the same comment 3 years ago when i was a builder, you would have thought what a mild term. Yet, now that I am a deacon in the Catholic Church, i cannot use that language – tut. tut.
Sorry if I disturbed your sensibilities mikey – and cha as well. But all you display is your own hypocracy when you yourself use much stronger language. But the term very accurately describes Obama – in fact it’s probably too good for him. Maybe a dog’s arsehole – yeah, that has a truer ring to it. (Oooh tut, tut) I do agree however, that the language is a little unbecoming in the eyes of the critical secularists, but an accurate comment in the eyes of normal people.

Anyhow, to the point. I do offer a ‘mea culpa’ (notice the Latin – church language 😉 for repeating a comment made on another blog, which is not, in fact, verbatim what Obummer said.
However, as the link that kowtow correctly linked to said, despite Gianna and a group opposed to the killing of babies who survive an abortion had asked Obama to support a bill in the Illinois legislature which was to provide medical aid to babies that survived abortion, his was the deciding vote, and he voted not to support – so he, along with those who supported the murder of live babies, effectively said to Gianna and others, “you should not have been born”.

Also, I couldn’t help noticing all the downticks, no doubt from some who didn’t think the quote was accurate – which turned out to be – in essence – partly true, but the other downticks came from those who infest this blog who support the murder of babies

Good luck to your families.
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August 21, 2015 2:11pm
Fletch

stephieboy, I don’t know much about “death panels”. Obamacare is bad enough just by itself. I guess that explains why Obama had to lie about it (“if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan” got voted the #1 lie of the year on Politifact, which is not a conservative site.
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August 21, 2015 2:14pm
cha

Fletch, perhaps in exchange for the details the IAEA could brief Ayatollah Ali Hosseini Khamenei on details of it’s agreement with the US.
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August 21, 2015 2:17pm
Manolo

Caught in the act: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205385/Former-Victorian-Liberal-director-Damien-Mantach-s-email-leaked-Ashley-Madison-list.html
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August 21, 2015 2:18pm
Fletch

Oh, and Iran is saying they will vet any inspectors. Also Iran will be given 24 days warning before inspectors come in. So much for snap inspections.

A senior Iranian official declared on Monday that international nuclear inspectors would only be permitted into the country once they receive approval from the Islamic Republic’s Intelligence Ministry, putting another roadblock between the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Iran’s contested nuclear sites.

Sayyed Abbas Araqchi, Iran’s deputy foreign minister and one of the top negotiators in talks that led to the recently inked nuclear deal, told the country’s state-controlled press that Iran’s intelligence apparatus must approve of any inspector who is issued a visa to enter Iran.

This requirement could complicate efforts to prove to the world that Iran is being fully transparent and that nuclear inspectors inside the country are neutral.

Iran has already stated that no American inspector would be permitted into the country under the deal. The accord also grants Iran a 24-day notice period before inspectors enter any site suspected of being used for nuclear weapons work.

“Any individual, out of IAEA’s Inspection group, who is not approved by the Islamic Republic of Iran cannot enter the country as the agency’s inspector,” Araqchi was quoted as telling the Islamic Consultative Assembly News Agency (ICANA), a government news outlet, according to a translation performed by the CIA’s Open Source Center (OSC).

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/all-nuke-inspectors-require-approval-from-irans-intelligence-agency/

The whole thing just stinks. Make no mistake – we ARE giving Iran the bomb in this deal.
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August 21, 2015 2:19pm
dime

stephie – did obama ever go bankrupt? probably hard to when ya go to school, stay at school, then go to the senate..
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August 21, 2015 2:27pm
stephieboy

dime, and when you take out a mortgage with negative equity by predatory lenders with their sub prime products ?

Fletch , note point 2 from the following,

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/17/the-five-biggest-lies-about-obamacare.html
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August 21, 2015 2:33pm
dime

“dime, and when you take out a mortgage with negative equity by predatory lenders with their sub prime products ?”

why would Dime do that? sounds like a recipe for disaster. sounds like a lot of morons got screwed.
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August 21, 2015 2:34pm
dime

oh no, the Maori king is claiming all of auckland HAHAHAHAHA

is that so his kid can drive drunk around its street freely?

what a loser
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August 21, 2015 2:37pm
stephieboy

dime, so you believe those offering those sub prime products were in the right ?

http://www.eukn.eu/news/detail/sub-prime-lending-is-based-on-active-deception/
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August 21, 2015 2:37pm
dime

“dime, so you believe those offering those sub prime products were in the right ?”

its not something I would do. but buyer beware an all that. I don’t really care.

the left wanted it so “poor people could buy homes too”
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August 21, 2015 2:39pm
cha

Another white person pretending to be black.

Seem all that’s been achieved here in an effort to silence him is dredge up his mother’s decades old infidelity. Nice one arseholes.

http://gawker.com/breitbart-s-racist-story-about-shaun-king-has-completel-1725465056
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August 21, 2015 2:40pm
stephieboy

dime , and it’s therefore Ok for you to use active deception when going door to door etc ?
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August 21, 2015 2:41pm
dime

“dime , and it’s therefore Ok for you to use active deception when going door to door etc ?”

what are you talking about?
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August 21, 2015 2:42pm
stephieboy

dime, using active deception when selling sup prime products as per my link 2.37pm !
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