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UglyTruth

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/bombshell-cdc-destroyed-vaccine-documents-congressman-reveals/

Thompson saw and participated in violating the protocol of the study. He was there. He helped his co-authors destroy documents that would have shown an MMR-autism link.

You can see a rush transcript of Congressman Posey’s remarks here (on the ageofautism.com website), which includes his reading of a statement from whistleblower Thompson.
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August 1, 2015 9:32am
duggledog

Post by KevOB @ 1.11pm July 31st regarding Tony Robertson:

“Bail is not as easily granted to serial offenders as publicly believed and it is hard to see how the monitoring could have been more rigorous. I think the system went to its limits with a very unusual criminal.”

I don’t want to single you out but with respect – the public believe that the system is f***ed.

Let me explain:

Exhibit A: This story from the Herald, the day after Robertson’s criminal past was revealed:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/70610736/teen-on-failed-mission-to-rape-granted-parole

“A teen accomplice who came to Dunedin on a mission to rape has been released back into the community under special conditions.

He was sentenced in the Dunedin District Court to two years and eight months’ imprisonment on August 15, 2014.
McVeigh, who has a criminal history of burglary and aggravated robbery convictions, did not do well when he first went to prison.

The board noted he had good support, and “there is now a question of managing his risk in the community”.

Interesting isn’t it. The day after the Robertson revelations, hidden away in the ODT or somewhere. It’s almost funny.

Exhibit B: This, the very next day:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11489835

“A teenager found guilty of killing a west Auckland shopkeeper will be eligible to be released from prison before he turns 17.
The 14-year-old who stabbed Arun Kumar in the neck at the Railside Dairy in Henderson on June 10 last year was found guilty of manslaughter, but cleared of murder.”

Remember, this is the same system couldn’t identify a feral from a feral family was going to cause serious damage or if it could, it didn’t / wasn’t able to do anything about it.

The footage shows the little ape stabbing Kumar in a frenzy – yet it turns out he’s actually a good kid who didn’t mean to kill him.

Let’s go on:

Exhibit C: Immediately afterwards, yesterday:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/70694945/nelson-women-allegedly-committed-monthlong-crime-spree
“Foster started crying in the dock before being remanded in custody overnight for an electronically-monitored sentence to be considered on Friday.”

Considered!!??

KevOB and others, the system we have effectively drops an inland taipan into a crowded shopping mall when it puts offenders like Robertson et al back into the community. There are literally scores of them walking among us right now.

In a way I don’t even blame Robertson – or any of the other freaks of nature we keep trying to make all better and then let out to run around – what the hell are they meant to do? They are killers / rapists whatever, it’s what they do. We enable them as a society.

Even once is too often but they get out and cause mayhem with alarming regularity. We all know the list. That’s why the public can’t get their heads around this.

I believe the warnings and misgivings expressed by all the Police, prison officers, social workers, family members, teachers etc who deal with the vermin daily and sometimes since birth, are routinely dismissed in favour of the articulations of (often young) learned psychs and lawyers armed with letters and patient condescension who have spent ten minutes in their company. This simply needs to be reversed.

Where is the Prime Minister on this? I think we (over 90% of us clearly) want a hardliner in Justice / Corrections, have for years.
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August 1, 2015 9:33am
Viking2

UglyTruth (6,148 comments) says:
August 1st, 2015 at 9:32 am

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/bombshell-cdc-destroyed-vaccine-documents-congressman-reveals/

Thompson saw and participated in violating the protocol of the study. He was there. He helped his co-authors destroy documents that would have shown an MMR-autism link.

You can see a rush transcript of Congressman Posey’s remarks here (on the ageofautism.com website), which includes his reading of a statement from whistleblower Thompson.
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Thin end of the yankee wedge and Key and Grosser want to sign up to being run by arsewipes like this.
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August 1, 2015 9:36am
UglyTruth

Yep, big pharma’s interests are served by the TPPA.

A recent analysis of patent-holding pharmaceutical industry statements about the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) reveals that the rhetoric used is designed to mask the Industry’s own interests and engender sympathy and support, at the expense of public health.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1410/S00039/big-pharma-tppa-rhetoric-obscures-industry-self-interest.htm

Last week, WikiLeaks released a 77-page document showing a draft of proposed rules debated behind closed doors. The proposal called for stronger patent protection for pharmaceutical companies.
http://www.ibtimes.com/critics-say-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement-favors-big-pharma-forgets-patients-1710426
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August 1, 2015 9:39am
Viking2

Notable that the TPP is not being discussed much.

Its going to be a disaster for NZ and why the fuck Key and Grosser want to die in a shitty cow crap filled ditch for this is beyond understanding.

Nothing in it but bad news for NZ.

The Nats will get done if they sign.

The Feds will never ever forgive them. Farmers will vote them out.
Do the Nats care about farmers anymore.

This govt. and many of its ministers are appalling thinkers , Woodhouse, Adams,Parata just to point out a few.
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August 1, 2015 9:41am
stephieboy

Ugly Truth, the paper trial in respect of a conspiracy that vaccines causing autism go back to this single pertinent fact,

“The primary proponent to such a theory was Andrew Wakefield. He had published a study in the Lancet – boasting a sample size of 12 individuals. Later that year, Wakefield’s medical license was revoked by the General Medical Council – citing ethical concerns regarding how he recruited the patients in his study as well as his failure to disclose that he was a paid consultant to numerous attorneys representing parents whom believed their children had been harmed by vaccination. A year later, another medical journal concluded that the paper was also fraudulent, after evidence that some of the timelines of the patient’s symptoms were misrepresented.

To this day, no evidence has been uncovered to substantiate the likes of Andrew Wakefield’s claims.”

https://www.metabunk.org/how-the-case-against-the-mmr-vaccine-was-fixed.t48/
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August 1, 2015 9:45am
mandk

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11490277

I hope the DHB stands up to the unions on this.

It’s perfectly reasonable to expect public health workers not to put the public at risk.
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August 1, 2015 9:45am
Dennis Horne

Twin Towers demolished by government, vaccinations cause autism, fluoridation is mind control, contrails are chemicals, men are women, sodomy is beautiful, the moon is green cheese and Pluto is plastic.
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August 1, 2015 9:46am
Viking2

How is everyone Getting on with their Broadband connections?

One of my companies needed to move premises.
We notified our provider with 4 weeks notice. Gave them the date for the change over.
They duly notified the Govt. appointed supplier for the area for the connection.

Now this is a new building in a new subdivision so no cooper in place but all the BB stuff supposedly there.

One week before the changeover the local (not so local) hook up guy rang and said he could be at the site to do a scoping stuy on the morning of the day it was supposed to be all going. Oh well we need to check on easement etc etc etc etc. (now remember that bit)

We said well hey that’s not to good. When will we have the BB?

Made a fuss with the provider who happily gave us call forwarding to our cell but couldn’t fix the BB.

The supply guy turns up Looks at the BB box on the wall and says, oh I can get our guys onto this.
You see all the issues had been dealt with, the pipe was already in place 3 feet from the front door.

As of one week later and some discussions with our provider it seems that the supply guys report hasn’t made it back to them and now our provider is saying we are going visiting Hamilton to have some serious discussion about this as we are encountering it everywhere.

Seems the Govt. appointed companies that are on a ticket to win and charge what they can are incapable of doing this work despite having essentially monopoly power.

We are constantly being told by this govt. and our PM that we have to do and be better and BB will bring us the world. Not at this rate. We account through Zero and use supplier data bases for various functions. We can’t do any nor can we get our emails.
Its a black hole.

Shit is going to the fan on Monday.

Ultra Fast Fibre Hamilton you are going to get some noise.

All because the Govt. did it without making the work open to all players.

P.S. I can see no reason why our company should have to go buy pads or other stuff to work around this problem using wifi etc. Just saying. Not the point of the exercise.
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August 1, 2015 9:56am
SGA

Dennis Horne at 9:46 am

Twin Towers demolished by government, vaccinations cause autism, fluoridation is mind control, contrails are chemicals, men are women, sodomy is beautiful, the moon is green cheese and Pluto is plastic.

… the earth is hollow, the Royal family are carnivorous reptilians, … ahhhh, Kiwiblog 🙂
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August 1, 2015 9:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

kia ora

directions for life

starboard- katea
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/diagram/2222/maori-star-compass
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August 1, 2015 9:58am
Yvette

The TPP could be finalized later today in Hawaii.
Regarding the content of this trade deal, the New Zealand public officially knows about as much now as they did before voting in the last Election – nothing.
And the detail may run into hundreds of pages.

Compared to this deal, the proposal to partially sell power assets was straight forward, and was made the central Election issue at the time by Labour.
The 2013 Election result then could have been claimed to be a clear mandate for National to carry out the sales policy.

However the last Election gave National no clear mandate to act one the TPP and indications its acceptance or not would be subject to Parliament examination is apparently wrong, as Cabinet makes that decision itself.
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August 1, 2015 10:00am
Dennis Horne

SGA. … the earth is hollow, the Royal family are carnivorous reptilians

Now you’re just being silly… 🙂 🙂 🙂
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August 1, 2015 10:04am
burt

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/70737690/real-estate-website-data-debunks-chinese-buyer-claims

Angry Andy will to having talks with the real estate unions asking them all to go on strike so he can make his point … What was his point again ?
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August 1, 2015 10:04am
Griff

Ugly’s strange beliefs.
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You might find this interesting Dennis.
https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/guest-post-what-would-you-do/
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August 1, 2015 10:04am
burt

Oh, and an immediate management change is required, Corrections need to be fined $500,000 and people need to be sacked. That’s how we deal with this kind of thing right ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/70721140/inquiry-into-how-remand-prisoner-had-weapon-when-he-appeared-in-court
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August 1, 2015 10:06am
burt

Griff

Have you had a chance to read thru this link you were provided the other night.

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdf

Perhaps you’re still in denial that the the hockey stick is completely made up ?
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August 1, 2015 10:14am
Nookin

Burt
I havent heard any outburst from Mr Hanlon. Either it wasn’t very serious or Serco was not involved.
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August 1, 2015 10:20am
UglyTruth

Ugly Truth, the paper trial in respect of a conspiracy that vaccines causing autism go back to this single pertinent fact …

Fuck off you lying sack of shit stephieboy.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/07/breaking-news-congressman-posey-on-house-floor-cdc-authors-of-2004-mmr-paper-destroyed-documents.html

For these reasons, I bring the following matter to the floor. In August, 2014, Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention worked with a whistleblower attorney to provide my office with documents related to a 2004 CDC study that examined the possibility of a relationship between the mumps, measles and rubella vaccines and autism. In a statement released in August, 2014, Dr. Thompson stated “I regret that my co-authors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the Journal of Pediatrics.” End quote.

Mr. Speaker, I respectfully request the following excerpts from the statement written by Dr. Thompson be entered into record. Now quoting Dr. Thompson:

“My primary job duties while working in the Immunization Safety Branch from 2000 to ’06 were lead or co-lead three major vaccine safety studies—the MADDSP MMR Autism Cases Control study was being carried out in response to the Wakefield Lancet study that suggested an association between the MMR vaccine and an autism-like health outcome. There were several major concerns among scientists and consumer advocates outside the CDC in the fall of 2000 regarding the execution of the Verstraeten study.

One of the important goals that was determined up front in the spring of ’01 before any of these studies started, was to have all three protocols vetted outside the CDC prior to the start of the analyses so that consumer advocates could not claim that we were presenting analyses that presented our own goals and biases. We hypothesized that if we found statistically significant effects at either 18 or 36 month thresholds, we would conclude that vaccinating children early with MMR could lead to autism-like characteristics or features. We all met and finalized the study protocol and analysis plan. The goal was to not deviate from the analysis plan to avoid the debacle that occurred with the Verstraeten thimerosal study published in Pediatrics in ’03. At the September 5th meeting, we discussed in detail how to code race for both the sample and the birth certificate sample.

At the bottom of Table 7 it also shows that for the non-birth certificate sample, the adjusted race effect statistical significance was huge. All the authors and I met and decided sometime between August and September ’02 not to report any race effects for the paper. Sometime soon after the meeting, we decided to exclude reporting any race effects, the co-authors scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study. The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room and reviewed and went through all the hard copy documents that we had thought we should discard and put them in a huge garbage can.
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August 1, 2015 10:23am
Griff

You are living in the past burt.
Climate gate is now known to be a bunch of nutters misquoting stolen emails out of context
They had a total of nine reviews into the climate gate emails.
http://www.research.psu.edu/orp/documents/Findings_Mann_Inquiry.pdf
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/387/38708.htm
http://www.uea.ac.uk/about/media-room/press-release-archive/statements/cru-statements/independent-reviews
http://epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/myths-facts.html
Nine times by both university and government inquiry’s and the only fault found was the scientist were pissed of with time wasting foi requests .

The hockey stick has been extended with more data and still supports the original conclusions without using dendrochronology .
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/04/the-pages-2k-synthesis

The wegman report was found to be a load of rubbish .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wegman_Report

Besides all this saying it was warmer in the past for a known forcing is basically saying that the effects of co2 will be worse now. Your rubbish trying to discredit the hockey stick is amazingly idiotic from a logical perspective .
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August 1, 2015 10:36am
burt

Griff

I’m going to be debunking the settled science next week. I’ll be skiing when the planet was supposed to be free of ice and snow by 2012.
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August 1, 2015 10:38am
stephieboy

Ugly Truth,

From another link in respect of the claims of a cover up involving CDC’s Dr Thompson’s alleged “ confession “ about a cover up,

“What got lost in the brouhaha over Dr. Thompson’s “confession,” allegations about a “cover-up” at the CDC, and threats of whistleblower lawsuits was what should have been the main point: Did collected data actually prove that the MMR vaccine produces a 340% increased risk of autism in African-American boys? The answer is no, it did not.

On 27 August 2014, Dr. Hooker’s article published in the journal Translational Neurodegeneration that concluded “African American males receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age or 36 months of age are more likely to receive an autism diagnosis” was removed from public domain due to issues of conflict of interest and the questionable validity of its methods:

The Editor and Publisher regretfully retract the article as there were undeclared competing interests on the part of the author which compromised the peer review process. Furthermore, post-publication peer review raised concerns about the validity of the methods and statistical analysis, therefore the Editors no longer have confidence in the soundness of the findings.

The CDC issued a statement regarding the data in question, with instructions for accessing the study at the center of the controversy. As the CDC noted, the authors of that study suggested that the most likely explanation for the moderate correlation between autism and vaccination in young children was the existence of immunization requirements for autistic children enrolled in special education preschool programs:

Access to the information on the birth certificates allowed researchers to assess more complete information on race as well as other important characteristics, including possible risk factors for autism such as the child’s birth weight, mother’s age, and education. This information was not available for the children without birth certificates; hence CDC study did not present data by race on black, white, or other race children from the whole study sample. It presented the results on black and white/other race children from the group with birth certificates.

The study looked at different age groups: children vaccinated by 18 months, 24 months, and 36 months. The findings revealed that vaccination between 24 and 36 months was slightly more common among children with autism, and that association was strongest among children 3-5 years of age. The authors reported this finding was most likely a result of immunization requirements for preschool special education program attendance in children with autism.

For a thorough analysis of the flaws and misinformation associated with the current CDC autism “cover-up” conspiracy theory, we recommend the posts on the subject at ScienceBlogs, which note of the claim at the heart of this matter (i.e, allegedly suppressed proof of a 340% increased risk of autism in African-American boys after MMR vaccination) that:

Vaccination data were abstracted from immunization forms required for school entry, and records of children who were born in Georgia were linked to Georgia birth certificates for information on maternal and birth factors. Basically, no significant associations were found between the age cutoffs examined and the risk of autism. I note that, even in the “reanalysis” by Brian Hooker, there still isn’t any such correlation for children who are not African American boys

So is Hooker’s result valid? Was there really a 3.36-fold increased risk for autism in African-American males who received MMR vaccination before the age of 36 months in this dataset? Hooker [performed] multiple subset analyses, which, of course, are prone to false positives. As we say, if you slice and dice the evidence more and more finely, eventually you will find apparent correlations that might or might not be real. In this case, I doubt Hooker’s correlation is real.

There’s no biologically plausible reason why there would be an effect observed in African-Americans but no other race and, more specifically than that, in African-American males. In the discussion, Hooker does a bunch of handwaving about lower vitamin D levels and the like in African American boys, but there really isn’t a biologically plausible mechanism to account for his observation, suggesting that it’s probably spurious. There are multiple other studies, many much larger than this one, that failed to find a correlation between MMR and autism.

What [Hooker] has done, apparently, is found grist for a perfect conspiracy theory to demonize the CDC, play the race card in a truly despicable fashion, and cast fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the CDC vaccination program, knowing that most of the white antivaccine activists who support [him] hate the CDC so much that they won’t notice that even Hooker’s reanalysis doesn’t support their belief that vaccines caused the autism in their children.”

Last updated: 3 February 2015
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp#xCPzjHFFJvgTGdrK.

BTW , the fact you resort to vile abuse obviously reveals something about your deep uncertainties and insecurities when attempting to present logical and reasoned debate .!
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August 1, 2015 10:39am
peterwn

Viking2 – very sorry, but prospective tenants need to do due diligence on the premises they are about to occupy, and this is even more so with brand new premises. Some years back a developer developed a block of commercial units and could either arrange 3 phase 60 amp mains or at a higher cost 200 amp mains. Developer opted for 60 amp mains. Tenant A signs lease then finds he needed 200 amp mains – had to pay for the upgrade – fortunately there was sufficient upstream fat to accommodate it. Tenant B signs lease but stipulated 200 amp mains, landlord highly motivated so agreed. This required cabling back to the substation (no fat left in existing cable) and landlord had to pick up the tab! In the aftermath of the 1987 crash developers learned they had to be more careful with this sort of thing if they wished to sell their developments at a reasonable price.

Would be the same with communications needs. When leasing, put the onus right on the landlord to provide fibre right into your demise (ie the area you lease plus rights to pass through common areas). At the very least ducts should be in place with the demised premises’ rights to use them in easement documents or specified on the unit title plan. Also check who controls access to any common telecommunications room. Ensure the vendor/ landlord gives you a copy of the documentation so the installer is confident in carrying out the work without trespassing – it will make his day!

Same if you are purchasing a brand new unit. If the vendor will not agree to ‘sort’ the communications (or at least a duct) right into your unit, walk away from the deal.

There was another ironical case. A firm that sold/leased phone systems (these were independent of Post Office systems), traffic signals, ripple control equipment, Harbour Bridge toll collection equipment etc had new premises built. When they went to move in, they realised there was no provision for internal telephone cabling. They should have ensured the architect allowed for this and ‘showcased’ this.
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August 1, 2015 10:39am
fernglas

Viking2

Don’t get me started on broadband connection. We got the fibre hooked up, and the landline went. I have spent the last week being shuffled from pillar to post. Spark has such a shit system you spend most of your time in the Philippines, and there is no way to contact them directly. Even a tirade of well-reasoned frustration on on their complaints page (“your abuse is important to us; we will answer within 24 hours”) has failed to get a single response. I would actually like someone responsible to crawl out of the woodwork. Instead, as I hear it from a friend who used to work there, they seem to enjoy a civil service mentality but with the expensive tastes of a high flying corporate. No wonder their share price hasn’t moved since they listed.
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August 1, 2015 10:40am
Dennis Horne

I’m going to be debunking the settled science next week. I’ll be skiing when the planet was supposed to be free of ice and snow by 2012.

Yeah and some people smoke all their lives and reach 100.

The increased energy from a bigger greenhouse effect is going somewhere.
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August 1, 2015 10:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

The climategate enquiries were all stacked….

Everybody was trying to protect their patch

Climatic Research Unit emails controversy[edit]
In July 2010, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), a British think tank that is sceptical about global warming policy,[21] hired Montford to lead an inquiry into the three British investigations into the Climatic Research Unit email controversy, commonly known as “Climategate.”[22]

Montford’s report, The Climategate Inquiries, was published in September 2010.[23] Fred Pearce writes in The Guardian that the three inquiries Montford looked into were all badly flawed, and that Montford’s report dissects their systemic failures. He writes that the report, “for all its sharp—and in many cases justified—rejoinders to the official inquiries … is likely to be ignored in some quarters for its brazen hypocrisy.” Pearce argues that one of the criticisms of the three inquiries was that no climate sceptics were on the inquiry teams, and now the critics themselves have produced a review of the reviews that included no one not already supportive of the sceptical position. But, Pearce added, Montford “has landed some good blows here.”[24]
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August 1, 2015 10:43am
burt

Dennis

The greenhouse effect is only during the day. The effects of fluctuations in solar forcing are inconsequential to the temperature on earth so for example a 60% reduction in solar output forecast in 15 years will have no effect so we need to determine how it gets colder at night compared to day. It’s clearly not because of the difference in energy from the sun during the day.
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August 1, 2015 10:45am
burt

Maggy

Griff will be busy compiling the code he downloaded from the IPCC models and running it with any data and always getting a hockey stick no matter what data goes in. From that he will conclude that the hockey stick is inevitable rather than the model is a crock of shit. He’ll then go on a jihad wanting ‘contrarians’ jailed.
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August 1, 2015 10:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another brilliant day in Gizzy…. Global warming is well in…
I’m off to play…
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August 1, 2015 10:50am
Viking2

peterwn (3,692 comments) says:
August 1st, 2015 at 10:39 am

Might have been but that’s not the case today.

The fucking pipe is at the door, It requires a labourer to install a bit of glass tube and connect it to a telephone.
that’s the Fast Fibre people.
No other issues at all.
Just fucking piss poor govt. protected enterprize.

We shouldn’t need over paid under rated lawyers and politicians to do simple labouring tasks.

I might add that we are not the only ones in this situation.
Disgraceful lack of customer service in a big way.
And who cares.
Not those that are not affected and who made the rules.
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August 1, 2015 10:51am
Griff

The climategate enquiries were all stacked….
Its a giant conspiracy by the USA and English governments, Penn state u, the university of east Anglia, the epa, etc
😆
We have a conspiracy nut.
Nine reviews found no fault Maggy that leaves you with only irrational conspiracy idealization.

By the way
We found the missing heat were it was expected to be by using more accurate measurement technology.
You then moan that the result is more evidence of a warming planet .
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2015/06/new-noaa-reports-shows-no-recent-warming-slowdown-or-pause/
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August 1, 2015 10:52am
Dennis Horne

burt (8,608 comments) says: August 1st, 2015 at 10:45 am
The greenhouse effect is only during the day. The effects of fluctuations in solar forcing are inconsequential to the temperature on earth so for example a 60% reduction in solar output forecast in 15 years…

So if we’re not all dead now we certainly will be in 15 years.
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August 1, 2015 11:00am
Griff

The greenhouse effect is only during the day. The effects of fluctuations in solar forcing are inconsequential to the temperature on earth so for example a 60% reduction in solar output forecast in 15 years will have no effect

Ignorance on show.
Co2 absorbs radiation we can measure this.
The earth radiates infrared during the day and night so the greenhouse effect doesn’t stop at night .
http://scienceofdoom.com/2009/11/28/co2-an-insignificant-trace-gas-part-one/
The projected reduction of solar output is something like .1% not 60%. It is a prediction in a reduction in sunspot activity not total solar irradiance.

I know you are a nutter maggy because you will try to correct me on something as inconsequential as getting the short hand symbol for a S.I. wrong yet ignore such rubbish as burt is coming out with.
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August 1, 2015 11:06am
starboard

What a load of bollocks. “Thinking back to my own experience at primary school, somehow I knew I was Maori,”

You found out you were murri sweetheart when you realised you could jump on board the gravy train with the rest of the bludgers.

“http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/your-experiences-of-kura-kaupapa/12327886/Kura-kaupapa-can-strengthen-whanau”
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August 1, 2015 11:17am
starboard

Thanks Maggy , but no thanks. Also Maggy , if you cant speak to me in English , our native tongue, please don’t bother.
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August 1, 2015 11:20am
Fletch

fernglas, my brother had similar issues with VF connecting up the broadband to where he used to work. The helpline goes overseas as well. They had no phone for a while, and he was told that Chorus was supposed to hook up the physical side of things but it turned out it was another firm supposed to do it. Much back-and-forth. Lack of communication all around. Finally it was all sorted, and they got a call a few days later from VF saying that they were looking at the problem, had a case number and it would be sorted soon (this was after it was all over). I think the companies are pretty much all the same these days.
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August 1, 2015 11:34am
Fletch

I must admit to some ignorance about the TPP. To be honest, the media doesn’t tell us much about it. I saw this article on an Australian website about the differences it will wreak over there, and it doesn’t sound good.

They reckon the cost of medication will rise, and broadband. Labelling will change (you won’t know what foods have palm oil). Also, Hollywood could force IT providers to hand over user details if they only suspect piracy via download. It doesn’t sound good at all.

And the leaks indicate that parties to the TPP may enact laws that force an internet service provider to give out information about their customers to copyright owners if there is just a “claimed” infringement, without requiring evidence or probable cause. That means if a Hollywood studio asked your ISP for details such as your name and address because they suspected (without necessarily having evidence) that you’d downloaded a movie illegally, your ISP may have to provide it to them.

https://www.choice.com.au/shopping/consumer-rights-and-advice/your-rights/articles/tpp-secretly-trading-away-your-rights
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August 1, 2015 11:37am
wiseowl

A small jet plane has crashed near London killing all four on board.
It is now stated that the jet belonged to the family of Osama Bin Laden.

Can anyone tell me.
How come they have a jet?
How come they are flying into London?
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August 1, 2015 11:38am
mikenmild

I understand that Bin Laden’s family are very wealthy Saudi Arabians. No big surprise that they would own a private jet.
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August 1, 2015 11:47am
Dennis Horne

Blackbushe Airport, 65km SW London, in a car park.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/70742066/four-dead-after-private-plane-crash-south-of-london
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August 1, 2015 11:51am
Viking2

Saturday, August 1, 2015

Earlier I commented on the TPP and how it will not be of benefit to NZ despite the Nats. dying in an infested sewer to sign up. Lots of red ticks.

Well those who like red ink should read this out today.

Iceland, Matt Ridley

I spent part of last week in Iceland, the antithesis of Greece. It’s been a hard winter and a cold spring up there, but despite the stiff northerly breeze off the Arctic ocean, economically speaking Iceland is basking in real warmth, while Greece shivers in financial winter.

Iceland teaches a very acute lesson for Greece, Britain, Europe and the world: independence works.

Iceland and Greece had equally terrible crashes seven years ago, yet Iceland is now growing rapidly, running trade and budget surpluses, with minimal unemployment and strong pension funds. A settlement with the creditors of its three failed banks is imminent, and exchange controls will soon be lifted.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2015/08/matt-ridley-icelands-lesson-for-europe.html
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We don’t need TPP despite Grosers lifetime world dream.

Iceland shows we don’t.

We know we don’t to achieve but if we do want a free trade lets do what Iceland has done and pick off the plums.
America and Canada are not ripe fruit for picking but fruit used by Eve to tempt Adam.

Why can’t we just go and play in our own backyard?
We will do better.
Remember lots of the world don’t like the USA.

The Canadians don’t necessarily like us, the USA nor themselves. They are still bitching about being French or British and forgetting their kanuks.

The Canadians have had big issues with Chinese invasion.

Lets just forget about the big time get out of jail card and walk away to negotiate as we have before on a one on one basis with countries that we can work with.

That’s not America. despite their size. To many psychopaths live their.
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August 1, 2015 11:51am
Tarquin North

A lovely day up north. Off to the Ruakaka races. Winston will probably be there, I’ll be backing him for a win in the drinking race. Safe bets like that don’t pay much.
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August 1, 2015 11:53am
Odakyu-sen

Have you seen the size of Osama Bin Laden’s (extended) family? It covers many, many people. (How many half-brothers and half-sisters do you think he had?)
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August 1, 2015 11:53am
Griff

I am upgrading to windows 10 wish me luck.
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August 1, 2015 12:02pm
stephieboy

Odakyu sen, This might be of interest ?

Iran’s fertility crisis: ‘Go forth and multiply’

Plummeting birthrates a ticking timebomb for state as young Iranians decide not to have children.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11490166

So much for the Muslim rocketing birth rate conspiracy
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August 1, 2015 12:03pm
Manolo

Nothing to worry, Griff. The update works well.
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August 1, 2015 12:07pm
SGA

stephieboy at 12:03 pm

Iran’s fertility crisis: ‘Go forth and multiply’
Plummeting birthrates a ticking timebomb for state as young Iranians decide not to have children.

Access to higher education for girls/women in Iran is apparently, from the little I’ve read, relatively good.
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August 1, 2015 12:07pm
stephieboy

SGA, apparently even by Saudi Arabia standards the status of women in Iran is remarkably progressive .
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August 1, 2015 12:15pm
Viking2

Going to windows 10.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/70732877/windows-10-uses-customers-computers-to-distribute-updates

A couple of fish hooks so far.
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August 1, 2015 12:15pm
Fletch

I’m staying with Windows 7.

Most of the time I leave the computer using the same OS it came with. Not brave enough to mess with it.
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August 1, 2015 12:17pm
starboard

Sob story de jour

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/70620134/online-store-takes-photographers-3000-for-lens-it-never-delivered-then-leaves-nz
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August 1, 2015 12:34pm
mikenmild

Kai ora starboard. E pārekareka koe wiki o te reo maori ?
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August 1, 2015 12:47pm
Fletch

starboard, that does suck though. Glass is really expensive. 🙁
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August 1, 2015 12:48pm
wikiriwhis business

New Zealand shouldn’t be signing an agreement that ties future governments’ hands. #TPPANoWay

https://www.facebook.com/nzgreenparty/photos/a.489359751371.266952.10779081371/10152924748471372/?type=1&theater
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August 1, 2015 1:06pm
burt

Griff

The projected reduction in solar output is something like .1% not 60%

We see from here, a quote from the scientists behind the model Griff claims to have considered because he’s not myopic and religious and just a believer, rather he understands science.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/mini-ice-age-coming-in-next-fifteen-years-new-model-of-the-suns-cycle-shows-10382400.html

he model shows that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent between 2030 and 2040 causing a “mini ice age”.

He’s a mega brain that Griff, no wonder he believes a model than can churn any numbers into a hockey stick shows a hockey stick is inevitable.
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August 1, 2015 1:08pm
All_on_Red

Just for you Stephie. The Democrat Socialist Bernie Sanders views on immigration. He wants to close the borders.

“Ezra Klein: You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing …
Bernie Sanders: Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal.
Ezra Klein: Really?
Bernie Sanders: Of course. That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. …
Ezra Klein: But it would make …
Bernie Sanders: Excuse me …
Ezra Klein: It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn’t it?
Bernie Sanders: It would make everybody in America poorer —you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?
I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.
Ezra Klein: Then what are the responsibilities that we have? Someone who is poor by US standards is quite well off by, say, Malaysian standards, so if the calculation goes so easily to the benefit of the person in the US, how do we think about that responsibility?
We have a nation-state structure. I agree on that. But philosophically, the question is how do you weight it? How do you think about what the foreign aid budget should be? How do you think about poverty abroad?
Bernie Sanders: I do weigh it… But I think what we need to be doing as a global economy is making sure that people in poor countries have decent-paying jobs, have education, have health care, have nutrition for their people. That is a moral responsibility, but you don’t do that, as some would suggest, by lowering the standard of American workers, which has already gone down very significantly.”

Nice to see he “gets” it. No wonder he is gaining traction on the lying corrupt Hillary Clinton.
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August 1, 2015 1:17pm
stephieboy

All_on_Red ,

Can it be taken you are a follower and supporter of Democrat Socialist Bernie Saunders ??
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August 1, 2015 1:20pm
mikenmild

New Zealand’s not the only place with problems about re-offending criminals:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33726634
Three weeks after completing a 10-year sentence for stabbing three people at a gay pride parade, a man stabs six people at the same parade.
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August 1, 2015 1:23pm
Griff

😆
Sorry burt I dont get science from the telegraph .
Shall we see what actual scientists say not some journalist at a news paper…..

Predictions suggest a prolonged period of low sun activity over the next few decades, but any associated natural temperature changes will be much smaller than those created by human carbon dioxide emissions, say researchers.

The study, led by Cardiff University scientists, in collaboration with colleagues at the University of Bern, is published in the journal Nature Geoscience.

– See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/earth/spaceship-earth/solar-activity-influences-climate-change/#sthash.hoq25NJB.dpuf
By the way Professor Valentina Zharkova is a she.
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August 1, 2015 1:24pm
Manolo

Bound to give stephieboy a thrill: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180398/Hillary-Clinton-s-camp-fears-new-bimbo-eruption-kibosh-candidacy-especially-Gennifer-Flowers-claimed-Bill-liked-blindfolded-tied-silk-scarves-called-wife-Hilla-Hun.html

According to Flowers, Bill shared with her the reality of his marriage to Hillary whom he called ‘The Sarge’ or ‘Hilla the Hun,’ and claimed that sex with her was nothing but a ‘duty.’

In stark contrast she described wild sex with Clinton who, she revealed, had a penchant for telephone sex and sex-play that involved blindfolding her and feeding her various food items. And though she claims to have drawn the line at Clinton’s request for a threesome, she recalled how on several occasions she tied him to her bedposts with silk scarves.
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August 1, 2015 1:24pm
Johnboy

“Three weeks after completing a 10-year sentence for stabbing three people at a gay pride parade, a man stabs six people at the same parade.”

He has cracked time travel milkey?

Beam that man up! 🙂
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August 1, 2015 1:26pm
stephieboy

Manolo, before you get to carried away consider these facts,

In Sex Scandals, GOP Trumps Democrats

“With Rep. Anthony Weiner’s admission of “inappropriate” electronic relationships, another pol is embroiled in scandal. The Daily Beast crunched the numbers to determine whether Democrats or Republicans have bigger problems with impropriety….”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/03/30/which-party-has-more-sex-scandals.html
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August 1, 2015 1:35pm
burt

Griff

This is excellent, you and I have completely contradictory positions and we’ll know who was right and who was wrong in less than 15 years without even needing any new taxes to fund your research saying CO2 is the only factor because it’s measurable and taxable.

Oh, and you didn’t read the link I provided the quote from, if you did you might have noticed I missed the “T” from the “The” not called the professor a ‘he’.
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August 1, 2015 1:42pm
All_on_Red

Stephie,
He’s right on immigration and ironic he agrees with Trump but some of his other policies are downright wacky.( as are many of the policies on both sides!) Interesting to see that Hillary lines up on the side of hurting American jobs.
I see Trump is doing very well amongst Hispanics because of this. They don’t like the idea of queue jumpers hurting their job prospects.
Personally I think Cruz and Fiorina are the best of the bunch- on both sides. But then I suspect I’m a bit more objective then you. You seem very tribal.
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August 1, 2015 1:47pm
starboard

Milk mild..

他妈的关闭
Tā mā de guānbì
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August 1, 2015 1:48pm
stephieboy

All on Red,

” But then I suspect I’m a bit more objective then you. You seem very tribal.”

Does Ted Cruz appeal to the ” distinguished wacko bird “inside you ?

http://www.gq.com/story/ted-cruz-republican-senator-october-2013
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August 1, 2015 1:51pm
All_on_Red

Manolo
I see the sisterhood are starting to expose how feral Hillary got about the way she crushed and scared off all the women Bill had affairs with. Hardly feminist is it when you conspire to ruin the reputations of those poor women who were abused just to protect your predator husband. Talk about an imbalance of power being exploited.
Bill got away with it because he was likable whereas Hillary isn’t. I was fortunate to have a conversation with Bill when he came to NZ. Very funny and personable guy.
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August 1, 2015 1:53pm
Johnboy

他不会

🙂
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August 1, 2015 1:53pm
mikenmild

That’s nice starboard. Johnboy’s right. Make me.
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August 1, 2015 1:54pm
All_on_Red

Cruz is pretty good in this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

Gosh Stephie, who would have thought, a Senator from Texas who likes wearing cowboy boots. Your article really doesn’t say much.
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August 1, 2015 1:56pm
starboard

sorry milky..dont have any time for bearded sandal wearing tofu eating mung bean smoothie drinking chardonnay socialists like yourself…refer back to my 1.48pm ditty.
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August 1, 2015 2:03pm
Griff

Burt go read some science instead of wingnut blogs and news paper story’s .
No one says CO2 is the only factor.
CO2 is not even the only man made change in our atmosphere effecting temperatures .

Here is a easy little moving picture aimed at those with two digit IQs of things that effect global temperatures including solar output.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

Once you understand such basics we might be able to have some sort of rational discussion.
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August 1, 2015 2:03pm
burt

Griff

And from that link you provided.

The study concludes that although the temperature changes expected from future solar activity are much smaller than the warming from human carbon dioxide emissions, regional climate variability associated with the effects of solar output on the ocean and atmosphere should be taken into account when making future climate projections – See more at: http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/earth/spaceship-earth/solar-activity-influences-climate-change/#sthash.hoq25NJB.JxXq9t48.dpuf

Should be taken into account … Something you ‘the science is settled’ people have denied we needed to do up till now.

I guess I could be charitable and suggest that perhaps there is science because your lot now acknowledge variations are a factor, but as you lot dismiss them as insignificant (as always it’s just CO2 ) which makes it belief rather than science.
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August 1, 2015 2:05pm
Johnboy

starboard.

如果你的敌人是安全的所有点，将为他准备。如果他是在优越的强度，避开了他。如果你的对手是喜怒无常，寻求刺激他。假装自己是软弱的人，那他可能成长傲慢自大。如果他以他的易用性，给他没有休息。如果他的部队都团结一致，将它们分开。攻击他他在哪里没有做好准备，出现你也未必。

🙂
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August 1, 2015 2:06pm
burt

Griff

We don’t need rational discussion, you’ve got a belief – I consider we don’t know jack shit and we’ve diminished our understanding by modelling historic data to hide real world events that don’t fit a model. The original IPCC reports averaged away the last mini ice age and mediedeval warm period. That’s not science, that’s snake oil and you bought it.
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August 1, 2015 2:08pm
mikenmild

dont have any time for bearded sandal wearing tofu eating mung bean smoothie drinking chardonnay socialists like yourself…refer back to my 1.48pm ditty.

how do you know what I had for lunch?
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August 1, 2015 2:09pm
burt

mikenmild

It’s obvious you’re a Chardonnay socialist. You advocate for unions and you’re smart enough to articulate it beyond chants of fighting the man. That tells us you’re one of the educated elite socialist who love living on the clipped tickets of low paid workers rather than being a low paid worker having your ticket clipped.
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August 1, 2015 2:13pm
starboard

That’s rich Johnboy
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August 1, 2015 2:13pm
starboard

sorry milky..I missed the cock sandwich..
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August 1, 2015 2:15pm
Manolo

The unlucky residents: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11777067/Calais-crisis-causes-misery-for-Kents-long-suffering-residents-and-businesses.html
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August 1, 2015 2:15pm
Manolo

Farfetched. What is the logic in this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11776845/Barack-Obama-does-not-want-to-defeat-Isil-yet.html

According to the view of the world taken by President Obama, however, this does not represent failure.

The truth is – and this is no cheap smear – Mr Obama does not want to win the war against ISIS yet. He thinks winning quickly would be pointless and potentially disastrous.
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August 1, 2015 2:19pm
mikenmild

I missed the cock sandwich

Anything else you crave?
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August 1, 2015 2:26pm
Inandout

Why don’t the scum trying to get into the UK by tunnel try Russia instead? Oh, of course, they would be shot at the border, so they pick on a sucker country like the UK. And the ludicrous part of the whole situation is if they claim asylum they get let go and then disappear.
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August 1, 2015 2:38pm
publicwatchdog

YAY!

Washington Post confirms TPPA talks HAVE stalled!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hawaii-trade-talks-stall-over-dairy-pharmaceuticals-and-auto-concerns/2015/07/31/7572fec6-37a2-11e5-ab7b-6416d97c73c2_story.html

Just proves again – that it ain’t over until it’s over.

NEVER – ‘drop the ball’!

Keep going …..

Penny Bright
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August 1, 2015 2:42pm
Johnboy

And here was us Penny hoping it would go through quickly so we could quickly exchange welding tutors with the Inuit folk! 🙂
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August 1, 2015 2:46pm
mikenmild

Wow Penny! First you stopped the Wellington super-city proposal and now you’ve single-handedly stopped the TPPA. Next stop, pay your fucking overdue rates.
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August 1, 2015 2:46pm
Johnboy

That’s damned un-socialistic of you milkey. A genuine man of the people, such as your good self, should be sending a donation to Penny to assist her with her rates arrears! 🙂
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August 1, 2015 2:53pm
Griff

We don’t need rational discussion, you’ve got a belief – I consider we don’t know jack shit and we’ve diminished our understanding by modelling historic data to hide real world events that don’t fit a model. The original IPCC reports averaged away the last mini ice age and mediedeval warm period. That’s not science, that’s snake oil and you bought it.

Burt science moves forward.
You are busy trapped repeating crap long ago found to be untrue .
From your comments you dont even have a clue at all about what you are talking about
The original IPCC report had a schematic diagram of what we knew at that time about past global temperatures
Figure 7.1c from the IPCC First Assessment Report
http://www.realclimate.org/images/ipcc_1990_panel3.jpg
This was for a reconstruction of central England temperatures from the sixty’s. Since then we have searched the entire planet to estimate past temperatures and found that what happened in central England was not representative of the entire globe.
Here are some of the modern reconstructions
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig6-10b.png

You are dismissing science because it interferes with your world view.
That makes you a nutter.
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August 1, 2015 2:57pm
Inandout

Johnboy: It looks like Penny won’t be paying her rates for a little longer if the big one is coming-

http://worldwidepredictions.com/

Lol, the spirits have spoken.
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August 1, 2015 2:58pm
burt

Griff

That’s brilliant, you present one chart that shows a sustained ( perhaps 400 years ) of the temperature significantly above the line, the second one everything is below and dips over briefly where it was sustained and substantive.

The obvious dip down for hundreds of years, gone, hidden in the homogenisation of the numbers to create the current dramatic up swing ( as the secret model using now unavailable data predicts ) so touted by the AGW believers.
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August 1, 2015 3:13pm
Reid

Excellent points by Roberts: e.g.

The Dutch or the Europeans, whoever it is that has responsibility for investigating the downing of the Malaysian airliner, MH-17, is unable to get a report released. What does this tell us? It tells me that the facts don’t support the propaganda that Russia is responsible. You can bet your last dollar that if there was any evidence of Russia’s responsibility, the report would have been out long ago. Only Russia has complied with the evidentiary requirements of the investigation, turning over all evidence in its possession. Washington refuses to release the information from its spy satellite that was directly overhead at the moment of the airliner’s destruction, and Kiev refuses to release its communications with the airliner that directed the airliner to change course and to fly over a combat zone..

In place of the withheld report, there are planted “leaks” in the media claiming that the report has concluded that Russia is responsible. These “leaks” make news everywhere, but the denials of the false leaks by the investigators never receive the same media attention.

Apparently, there is still a mite of integrity left in the Dutch. Washington can block the report but not completely falsify it. So now Washington is pushing a UN International Tribunal on the airliner crash in hopes of getting the result Washington wants.

A person can’t help but wonder why Russia did not conduct the investigation, inviting in the European governments with complete access to all available information. The remains of the airliner fell on territory friendly to Russia. If Russia had conducted the investigation, we would have transparency. Instead, what we have is a report that can’t be issued and Washington calling for a new investigation that it can fully control. To prevent Russia’s frame-up, Russia had to veto today (July 29) the resolution in the UN. Now Russia is accused by the West speaking with one voice of hiding its complicity in the attack on the airliner and opposing justice for Malaysia. At some point the Russian government needs to understand that its faith in the West is a mistake and that when Russia relies on Western good will Russia cuts its own throat.

Inarguable really, unless you’re one of the poor simple sheeple caught up in Western lies and propaganda, unable to tell truth from lies and quite unable to function as a rational, free, sentient human that is being, like the rest of us can.

So downtick away, sheeple, and let’s not forget sillyboy, who’ll shortly come galloping along with his Western dribble he calls truth. Man it’s funny, watching a pygmy like sillyboy conjure up a propaganda-based scenario that only a village idiot would believe, and have all you sheeple gather round it and bleat approivingly, as if sillyboy’s just brayed something of particular import. Well it would be if the same thing wasn’t happening in Western living rooms up and down the Western world.

What I’m fascinated about is how profoundly easy it’s been to get you sheeple to completely surrender your logical faculties. You haven’t even put up a struggle. It puts Weimar Germany in the shade, you sheeple do. Convincing the best-educated most civilised people in Europe to hate a group who’d lived amongst them for centuries, was evidently a lot harder to do than it has been to convince most of you people that Muslims are responsible for all evil and they should be liquidated.

Of course you’re sheeple, and as such, of course you don’t know that this is going to be the next small step for you. But it will be. And when it is, you sheeple will be falling over yourselves to find your Muslim neighbours and string em up. You wait.

And it’s all because you profound fools fail to recognise the types of issues Roberts raises as propaganda. It’s all because you idiots hallucinate the other side of these issues is where the truth is, where the good guys are, where you should be.

Talk about dumb.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/
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August 1, 2015 3:14pm
Viking2

Today’s good news.

Crunch talks to secure a trans-Pacific trade deal in Hawaii appear to have failed.

Australian media reports suggest the 12 countries negotiating the ambitious Trans Pacific Partnership pact had failed to reach a conclusion. It’s been suggested Canberra has walked away from the deal.

The news will come as relief to New Zealand dairy farmers, who feared heavily protected agricultural sectors in Canada and the US were holding too much sway. Australia was bargaining for sweeteners for its sugar farmers.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/70744257/tppa-trans-pacific-partnership-talks-fail-in-face-of-nz-canada-dairy-clash
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August 1, 2015 3:15pm
mikenmild

That’s really funny, Reid. The nutcase Roberts arguing that the Russians should investigate the downing of MH-17 so that we would have ‘transparency’. LOL.
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August 1, 2015 3:18pm
Viking2

Mozilla, the company behind the web browser Firefox, is accusing Microsoft of discouraging users from changing default applications in Windows 10.

Microsoft’s latest operating system, released this week, changed the way to set preferred applications for Internet browsing, calendar and other apps. Now a user has to work through more options and pages to make basic changes.

http://mashable.com/2015/07/31/mozilla-critiques-windows-10/

No doubt others to follow e.g. chrome
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August 1, 2015 3:32pm
Griff

Burt slowly so you might get it.

A schematic diagram of the central Englandtemperatures from the sixty’s was in the first IPCC report .
schematic
skiːˈmatɪk,skɪ-/
adjective
adjective: schematic

1.
(of a diagram or other representation) symbolic and simplified.

It is not a representation of the globe, the northern hemisphere or even drawn to scale .

We continue to study past temperatures.

The modern results from around the world are what we base our views on not an outdated piece of research from the sixties that only is for a very small part of one small island .

That you are clinging on to such data despite the more comprehensive study’s since done shows you are not looking at the facts rationally just choosing only those that support your world view.

IE
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html#contrib-auth
Past global climate changes had strong regional expression. To elucidate their spatio-temporal pattern, we reconstructed past temperatures for seven continental-scale regions during the past one to two millennia. The most coherent feature in nearly all of the regional temperature reconstructions is a long-term cooling trend, which ended late in the nineteenth century. At multi-decadal to centennial scales, temperature variability shows distinctly different regional patterns, with more similarity within each hemisphere than between them. There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age, but all reconstructions show generally cold conditions between ad 1580 and 1880, punctuated in some regions by warm decades during the eighteenth century. The transition to these colder conditions occurred earlier in the Arctic, Europe and Asia than in North America or the Southern Hemisphere regions. Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period ad 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years.

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Department of Botany, Federal Urdu University of Arts, Science and Technology, Karachi, 75300, Pakistan
Moinuddin Ahmed
Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University, Palisades, New York 10964, USA
Kevin J. Anchukaitis, Brendan M. Buckley, Edward R. Cook & Jason E. Smerdon
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Woods Hole, Massachusetts 2543, USA
Kevin J. Anchukaitis
School of Earth Sciences, Addis Ababa University, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia
Asfawossen Asrat & Mohammed Umer
Indian Institute of Tropical Meteorology, Pune, 411008, India
Hemant P. Borgaonkar
Dipartimento di Matematica e Geoscienze, University of Trieste, 34128, Italy
Martina Braida & Barbara Stenni
Swiss Federal Research Institute WSL, Birmensdorf, 8903, Switzerland
Ulf Büntgen & Raphael Neukom
Département Paléoenvironnements et Paléoclimats (PAL), Université Montpellier, Montpellier, 34095, France
Brian M. Chase
Department of Archaeology, History, Cultural Studies and Religion, University of Bergen, Bergen, 5020, Norway
Brian M. Chase
Laboratorio de Dendrocronología y Cambio Global, Universidad Austral de Chile, Casilla 567, Valdivia, Chile
Duncan A. Christie & Antonio Lara
Center for Climate and Resilience Research, Universidad de Chile, Casilla 2777, Santiago, Chile
Duncan A. Christie & Antonio Lara
Australian Antarctic Division, Kingston, Tasmania 7050, Australia
Mark A. J. Curran, Andrew D. Moy & Tas van Ommen
Antarctic Climate & Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre, University of Tasmania, Sandy Bay, Tasmania 7005, Australia
Mark A. J. Curran, Andrew D. Moy & Tas van Ommen
Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Boulder, Colorado 80305, USA
Henry F. Diaz
Department of Geography, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, 55099, Germany
Jan Esper
Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Yunnan, 666303, China
Ze-Xin Fan
Faculty of Science, Nepal Academy of Science and Technology, Khumaltar, GPO Box 3323, Lalitpur, Nepal
Narayan P. Gaire
Institute of Geographical Sciences and Natural Resources Research, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, 100101, China
Quansheng Ge & Xuemei Shao
School of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia
Joëlle Gergis
Departamento Astrofísica y CC de la Atmósfera, Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Madrid, 28040, Spain
J Fidel González-Rouco
Lemaitre Center for Earth and Climate Research, Earth and Life Institute, Université catholique de Louvain, Louvain-la-Neuve, 1348, Belgium
Hugues Goosse
School of Geography, Archaeology and Environmental Studies, University of the Witwatersrand, Wits, 2050, South Africa
Stefan W. Grab & David J. Nash
Hydrologic Research Center, San Diego, California 92130, USA
Nicholas Graham & Rochelle Graham
Oeschger Centre for Climate Change Research & Institute of Geography, University of Bern, Bern, 3012, Switzerland
Martin Grosjean & Heinz Wanner
Department of Environmental Sciences, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, 00014, Finland
Sami T. Hanhijärvi & Atte A. Korhola
School of Earth Sciences and Environmental Sustainability, Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, Arizona 86011, USA
Darrell S. Kaufman & Nicholas P. McKay
International Project Office, Past Global Changes (PAGES), Bern, 3012, Switzerland
Thorsten Kiefer & Lucien von Gunten
Department of Symbiotic System Science, Fukushima University, Fukushima, 960-1248, Japan
Katsuhiko Kimura
Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Stockholm, 106 91, Sweden
Paul J. Krusic
Laboratoire d’Océanographie et du Climat: Expérimentations et Approches Numériques (LOCEAN), Université Pierre et Marie Curie, Paris cedex, 575252, France
Anne-Marie Lézine
Department of History, Stockholm University, Stockholm, 106 91, Sweden
Fredrik C. Ljungqvist
National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd., National Climate Centre Auckland, 1011, Zealand
Andrew M. Lorrey
Department of Geography, Climatology, Climate Dynamics and Climate Change, Justus Liebig University, Giessen, 35390, Germany
Jürg Luterbacher & Johannes P. Werner
Laboratoire des Science du Climat et de l’Environnement, Gif-sur-Yvette, 91 191, France
Valérie Masson-Delmotte
Department of Geography, Swansea University, Swansea, SA2 8PP, UK
Danny McCarroll & Maria R. Prieto
Desert Research Institute, Nevada System of Higher Education, Reno, Nevada 89512, USA
Joseph R. McConnell & Michael Sigl
Instituto Argentino de Nivología, Glaciología y Ciencias Ambientales (IANIGLA), CCT-CONICET-Mendoza, Mendoza, 5500, Argentina
Mariano S. Morales, Ignacio A. Mundo & Ricardo Villalba
British Antarctic Survey, Cambridge, CB3 0ET, UK
Robert Mulvaney
Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, Nagoya University, Nagoya, 464.8601, Japan
Takeshi Nakatsuka & Masaki Sano
School of Environment and Technology, University of Brighton, Brighton, BN2 4GJ, UK
David J. Nash
Department of Earth, Ocean and Atmospheric Sciences, Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida 32308, USA
Sharon E. Nicholson
Department of Glaciology, Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association, Bremerhaven, 27570, Germany
Hans Oerter
College of Life and Environmental Sciences, University of Exeter, Exeter, EX4 4RJ, UK
Jonathan G. Palmer
Climate Change Research Centre, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW 2052, Australia
Jonathan G. Palmer, Steven J. Phipps & Chris S.M. Turney
ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW 2052, Australia
Steven J. Phipps
Centro de Estudios Cientificos, Valdivia, Chile
Andres Rivera
Department of Chemistry ‘Ugo Schiff’, University of Florence, Sesto Fiorentino, 50019, Italy
Mirko Severi
Jackson School of Geosciences, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas 78712, USA
Timothy M. Shanahan
LASG, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, 100029, China
Feng Shi
Institute of Geography, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, 119017, Russia
Olga N. Solomina
Department of Earth and Space Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington 98195, USA
Eric J. Steig
National Centre for Antarctic and Ocean Research, Goa, 403 804, India
Meloth Thamban
Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA
Valerie Trouet
Department of Biology, Ghent University, Ghent, 9000, Belgium
Dirk Verschuren
Department of Geography, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, K1N 6N5, Canada
Andre E. Viau
Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Copenhagen, 2100, Denmark
Bo M. Vinther
Institute for Coastal Research, Helmholtz-Zentrum Geesthacht, Geesthacht, 21502, Germany
Sebastian Wagner & Eduardo Zorita
National Climatic Data Center, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Boulder, Colorado 80305, USA
Eugene R. Wahl
Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado 80309, USA
James W.C. White
Department of Forest Science, Shinshu University, Nagano, 399-4598, Japan
Koh Yasue
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August 1, 2015 3:34pm
Johnboy

Temperatures in central England sunk to new lows during Mary Whitehouse’s reign of terror and rose to excessively abnormal heights during Nigella Lawsons cooking shows.

I chose to watch Nigella but apply cold compresses to any overheated part of my anatomy that seemed to be affected! 🙂
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August 1, 2015 3:35pm
Manolo

Count the number of G&Ts, Johnboy!
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August 1, 2015 3:42pm
Peter

Can’t work out if Reid’s posts are a parody of a truther nutbar.

If so, they’re very accurate. Especially the over-use of the term “sheeple”
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August 1, 2015 3:48pm
Johnboy

Whisky today Peruvian fellow! 🙂
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August 1, 2015 3:49pm
Manolo

I could be accused of being Colombian or Argentinian, but not Peruvian. Do not believe the malicious rumours spread by P.G. 🙂
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