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Griff

You on the other hand stated as fact that there is no God, so the onus is on you to do the proving.

Well no mandk

As proof god = 0 there probably is no god.
There is no god until such time as proof he actually exists is found .Or I could sit here creating mythical things and as terry Pratchett proposed they would then immediately pop into existence .
Saying there must be a god because the universe exists will not work because who then created god?
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August 15, 2015 2:21pm
All_on_Red

I’m not sure if Griff is taking the piss but the solar system started out as a large cloud of gas and dust called a nebula. This cloud was not uniform so when it started to collapse because of gravity, it didn’t collapse evenly and it started to rotate. As it collapsed more and more the rotation increased. The central portion eventually formed the sun. Around the sun, other parts of the cloud began to condense and form small bodies called planetesimals. These were about the same size as the larger asteroids are today. As these planetesimals moved around the sun, they gathered more and more material growing until they reached the size they are today. They were already moving around the sun in orbits and probably had some spin from the collapse of the original nebula. Because of the spin and the motion around the sun, these planetesimals didn’t grow uniformly. This is probably where the tilt of the Earth and other planets comes from and the reason that the tilt for each planet is different.
It’s also thought that our tilt was made worse when hit by an asteroid/ planet almost as large as Mars, from which it is also thought that the Moon was created as material was thrown back into space.
But then again our Universe might be in a bucket in Gods study and one day he was pissed off and reached in and gave Earth a flick with his finger.
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August 15, 2015 2:24pm
Michael

mandk
Now you are saying that you didn’t say there is a god. So could you please explain what you meant when you made the comment “my faith that there is a God”?
And another thing. Who is this Hawkins you are referring to?

mandk (1,501 comments) says:
August 15th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Hawkins went on to say that science makes God unnecessary, but that still doesn’t make your faith that there is no God any more correct than my faith that there is a God.
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August 15, 2015 2:28pm
Lance

@Maggy
Most geniuses do “walk the line” between madness and sanity.
But they are the ones that make the breakthroughs.
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August 15, 2015 2:33pm
Griff

I thought.
You read it on a blog so it must be correct ……..
Would have given YOU the hint all in red
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August 15, 2015 2:43pm
cha

So how does evolution tilt the Earth to change the seasons ???

Explain that!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzkRHFl2ppw
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August 15, 2015 2:45pm
mandk

@ Michael

Yes, I am saying that I did not say that there is a God. By quoting me you are demonstrating that I did not say what you are now claiming.

And, sorry, it was Stephen Hawking (not Hawkins) who said ““One can’t prove that God doesn’t exist”. My apologies to the good Professor.

I think the problem here is that you cannot distinguish between fact and assertion. They are not the same thing.
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August 15, 2015 2:46pm
All_on_Red

I did wonder Griff, but it’s KB and sometimes you never know….?
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August 15, 2015 2:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don’t know whether to file this story under
(1) Labour politics
(2) Sexual politics or
(3) Climate change

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11497576

Any further suggestions?
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August 15, 2015 3:03pm
nasska

From Maggy’s link:

….” Have you seen his wife? Built like a bloody barn door, if I threw her against the wall, the fxxking house would fall down.” “…..

Say what you like. For a parliamentarian Lord Prescott is remarkably forthright.

Give that man a DB! 🙂
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August 15, 2015 3:19pm
Michael

mandk
You wrote “my faith that there is a god. ” I took that to mean you believed there was a god. Now you are saying you didn’t mean that at all. My apologies. So does that mean you are a non-believer just like me?

The word fact means ” something known to have happened , to be true , or to exist. A thing asserted to be true as a basis for reasoning.”
I am asserting that it is a fact that there is no god, that no god exists and that no-one can prove that one does.
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August 15, 2015 3:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nasska 3:19

Poor old Austin Mitchell. He should have stayed in NZ.
I’m sure no NZ politician would be so uncouth.
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August 15, 2015 3:40pm
Griff

Conservative ideals of morals from yesteryear would fit maggy
The good old days when raping your wife was perfectly ok yet what consenting adults done it private could result in jail time.
Either that or inbreeding and the demise of the aristocracy
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August 15, 2015 3:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff
Baron Prescott is not an aristocrat….like you, he is a pit pig

The son of John Herbert Prescott, a railway signalman and Labour councillor, and Phyllis, and grandson of a miner, Prescott was born in Prestatyn, Flintshire (now in Denbighshire), Wales, on 31 May 1938.[6][7][8] In 2009, he said: “I’ve always felt very proud of Wales and being Welsh…I was born in Wales, went to school in Wales and my mother was Welsh. I’m Welsh. It’s my place of birth, my country.”

In our family we do not refer to inbreeding; we are known as pure breeds.
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August 15, 2015 3:46pm
Griff

Opps .
Fine young man from the valleys just having some harmless fun after a hard life hewing the fuel of civilization from the reluctant earth.
Give the man a leek.
Chuck in a sheepie for those after dark urges as well.
wink wink nudge nudge if you know what I mean squire.
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August 15, 2015 3:55pm
cha

A pit pig with a handy left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqfuUiBpXs
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August 15, 2015 4:05pm
Viking2

Dave Mann (1,459 comments) says:
August 15th, 2015 at 1:43 pm

I’m in two minds about the TPPA. On the one hand, trade is a ‘good thing’, but on the other hand what do Australia and NZ have on common with the likes of Brunei, Peru, Vietnam etc? I’ve lived in South America and I’ve traveled quite a lot through Asia so this isn’t just a xenophobic rant.

Added to this, the yanks won’t even agree to a one-on-one FTA with us, do what’s the fucking story here?

Do we really need this thrust upon us? It looks like the USA fighting desperately to counter the strength of China to me, and I don’t think the future of the world is going to be USA dominated, frankly.

Comments? Am I completely wrong here?
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No I don’t think you are.

Its small man syndrome among the pollies that we need to do this right now.

The TPP is not free trade, its trade on American, Japanese, Canadian and Mexican etc terms. Free trade will be like our China agreement. One on one which benefits both parties as near equally as possible.
TPP does not do that in any form that has seen the light of day so far.

Fortunately I have an instictive distrust of snake oil sales men that spout “trust me we know what we are doing”.
Usually that means you are about to get shafted and this TPP reeks of it.

Canada ain’t going to change its milk product rules because the USA will screw the producers, The Mexicans want rights for their products, the Japanese want rights for their cars but don’t want to deal with their milk and food issues. and so it goes on.

We have other and better markets that we can work with.
Russia is a clear case.
The Russian despise Germany and the French along with the rest of th nations that make up the EU. (Can you blame them after 4 or 5 attacks against Russian sovereignty?)
They have done huge deals with China with oil pipelines being built between the two. ( the Prime Minister of Russia pointed out at the signing that They certainly didn’t give a shit about Europe and that was before Germany and NATO decided to escalate the Crimean Situation for the forth or fifth time in the last three centuries. No love lost there.

Years ago we traded with Russia when no one else would. The then Diary Board (who had a lot more nounce than Fonterra traded cars and all many of other things to sell milk to Russia. People forget history and the Govt. meddles in commercial affairs where it should mind its own business. worse it allows bullies like the EU and Britain to treat us like shit when they want and to tell us what we can and can’t do. sooner we quit the UN the better for NZ Its and outfit of political arseholes.).

I posted about India and trade earlier up the thread. Indai has many more inhabitants than the USA. It has many more wealthy people than the USA and we have a lot here in NZ.

Bagladesh. Poor country you think?
Way back about 1990 a ship called the Bangla Mamata was in Tauranga when a cyclone smashed Bangladesh. Long and shot was that the ship went back to Bangladesh with a load of supplies. An acquaintance who organized all this went to meet the ship and see the goods were distributed along with a TV 1 crew.
Talking to him when he returned was interesting because I think the thing that stood out was the numbers of wealthy Bangladeshi people.
Out of a population the of about 108 million over 10 million had a wealth level greater than most Nz’ers.

Why do we fuck about with America where poverty is greater than places like the East.
And it is. Read about it or listen to those that have been there recently.

Why do we persist with them when half the world doesn’t like America?
It’s their attitude that causes the problems.

What about South Africa, Venezuela, Brazil?

The yanks will only ever screw us anyway.
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August 15, 2015 4:25pm
Nostradamus

Secret diary of Shawn Herles:

Shawn Herles (10,317 comments) says:
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And then…

Shawn Herles (10,317 comments) says:
August 15th, 2015 at 10:13 am

Anyhoo….

Busy the rest of the day, and over the next few weeks, with last classes and new job as well as my usual, I will be lucky to get enough time to sleep, so.. this is my final post!

Hmmmm, what to say?

Might as well end with a prayer!

Through the darkness of futures past, the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds, Fire walk with me!

By all! 🙂

How unusual… a perfect subject for Odakyu-sen to analyse
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August 15, 2015 4:30pm
Griff

Years ago we traded with Russia when no one else would. The then Diary Board (who had a lot more nounce than Fonterra traded cars and all many of other things to sell milk to Russia. People forget history

The trekka and skodas

Best forgotten
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August 15, 2015 4:35pm
stigie

They say God created the universe…..who the fuck created God ?
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August 15, 2015 4:48pm
stigie

Dont forget the piece of shit Lada’s Griff ?
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August 15, 2015 4:50pm
Nostradamus

Has Big Bruv reserved his corporate box seat?

The Wallabies haven’t beaten the All Blacks twice in a row since 2002

The Wallabies also face the task of winning for the first time since 1986 at Eden Park.

Curious minds ~~want~~ need to know…
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August 15, 2015 4:55pm
mikenmild

We had some many Ladas here that at one time there was a thriving trade in shipping the wrecked pieces of shit back to Vladisvostock on fishing boats for parts.
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August 15, 2015 4:58pm
mikenmild

Perhaps he will be sitting with D4J in the seats Richie has got for them.
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August 15, 2015 4:59pm
Griff

😆
Borrowed a lada niva from a farmer once to go fishing at pouto point.
Spun the brake pad behind the disk at Dargaville 7;00pm on a Sunday night due to uneven wear.
Removed the disk and ground the tabs off the pads on the curb so they would go in backwards to get home.
Piece of crappy ruskie shit yes
Piece of shit you can fix with no proper tools in the middle of nowhere yes .
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August 15, 2015 5:05pm
stigie

I bet they will be spotted together in a tiny Christchuch pub tonight having a pint !! Oh the speculation…?
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August 15, 2015 5:05pm
Longknives

I thought D4J was Richie’s ‘private masseuse’ Mikey?
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August 15, 2015 5:08pm
nasska

Griff

They were a poor copy of a poor Fiat. There was never much in the way of potential to start with.
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August 15, 2015 5:09pm
stigie

Good choice borrowing one Griff, i owned a piece of shit, pure misery and torment ole chap !~
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August 15, 2015 5:13pm
stigie

http://prettycarz.com/data_images/gallery/03/lada-laika/lada-laika-04.jpg
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August 15, 2015 5:15pm
nasska

They were however, a lesson of how the strange world of economics & trade functions stigie. As Mike mentioned at 4.58 the Russian fishermen working the hoki boats used to queue up at car dealers to buy the heaps of crap & freight them back to the USSR as deck cargo.

Things must have been more desperate in Russia than we ever believed.
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August 15, 2015 5:21pm
Fletch

Presidential candidate Dr Ben Carson’s response to the smear that he used tissue from aborted fetus’s in his studies.

I wanted to use our time tonight to directly deal with an attack launched on me today by the left and the media. A couple questions came in on this subject, so I want to address it head on.

Today I was accused by the press as having done research on fetal tissue. It simply is not true. The study they distributed by an anonymous source was done in 1992. The study was about tumors. I won’t bore you with the science. There were four doctors’ names on the study. One was mine. I spent my life studying brain tumors and removing them. My only involvement in this study was supplying tumors that I had removed from my patients. Those tissue samples were compared to other tissue samples under a microscope. Pathologists do this work to gain clues about tumors.

I, nor any of the doctors involved with this study, had anything to do with abortion or what Planned Parenthood has been doing. Research hospitals across the country have microscope slides of all kinds of tissue to compare and contrast. The fetal tissue that was viewed in this study by others was not collected for this study.

I am sickened by the attack that I, after having spent my entire life caring for children, had something to do with aborting a child and harvesting organs. My medical specialty is the human brain and even I am amazed at what it is capable of doing. Please know these attacks are pathetic attempts to blunt our progress.

https://www.facebook.com/realbencarson/posts/513020902197714
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August 15, 2015 5:32pm
nasska

Nostra

This morning’s DomPost confirms that lobbyist Jordan Williams is suing Colin Craig for defamation. One of the tools of this alleged defamation was the pamphlet “authorised” by Craig & his wife Helen though the author remained anonymous.

The identity of this anonymous author intrigues me. The more I read it the more it seems that the writer suffers from a total disconnect from the real world. It’s a combination of style reminiscent of a Boys Own Paper circa 1954 laced with the disjointed ravings of a nut.

Does this action taken by Williams mean that the shy, mad scribe who crafted the crap will be revealed?

My finger of scorn needs a target!
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August 15, 2015 5:41pm
Manolo

A bleak future awaits near-broke Argentina: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-13/a-fan-of-che-and-churchill-top-argentine-candidate-is-a-mystery

He promises continuity — yet change. He favors growth — but sustainability. He admires the Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara — and the British Conservative Winston Churchill.
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August 15, 2015 5:45pm
UglyTruth

“The late British zoologist Martin Wells said the octopus is an alien. In this sense, then, our paper describes the first sequenced genome from an alien.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/examviral/science-world/dont-freak-out-but-scientists-think-octopuses-might-be-aliens-after-dna-study-347880.html
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August 15, 2015 6:07pm
SPC

Re TPP, if there is anything less than full inclusion of dairy, we will be heavily discriminated against.

We have two options.

1. Sign provided we are not bound by any new/extra obligation until we get full free trade in dairy. Thus in all other areas get the improved access offered while providing nothing in return. These nations have been bludging off our open access for years without giving us much.

2. With Oz we join a China – ASEAN free trade zone, with Russia and India as add ons.
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August 15, 2015 6:07pm
Griff

Ugly
Boy have I found the website you need .
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How to make and maintain your own personal Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie:
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August 15, 2015 6:10pm
Dave Mann

@Viking2: Thanks for your detailed response to my question about the TPPA…. very informative.
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August 15, 2015 6:15pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Does this action taken by Williams mean that the shy, mad scribe who crafted the crap will be revealed?

My finger of scorn needs a target!

Well, in terms of hitting the target, I thought Rodney Hide hit the bulls-eye last weekend:

I already thought Colin Craig the oddest thing in New Zealand politics but I have just received a pamphlet in my letterbox that makes him appear even odder. On the front is a picture of a haunted, hunted Craig, and it is titled Dirty Politics and Hidden Agendas.

I flicked it open to see an image of a man’s hand on a woman’s knee and in bold: “Craig has only ever had one sexual relationship which is with his wife [Helen] of over 23 years.”

Interested by the prompt for such a claim of monogamous virtue, I read the entire thing. And then re-read it.

It’s very catchy — I don’t usually read unsolicited mail — but not effective because I still don’t know what it’s about. Or what it’s supposed to achieve.

There’s no author. Craig is spoken about in the third person and he and his wife have “authorised” the pamphlet but “do not agree with every statement made nor endorse all viewpoints”. I am hoping they do agree on the statement of fidelity.

Now who (other than Colin Craig) could know whether he’s only ever had “one sexual relationship which is with his wife [Helen] of over 23 years”?
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August 15, 2015 6:45pm
Viking2

Griff (10,515 comments) says:
August 15th, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Years ago we traded with Russia when no one else would. The then Diary Board (who had a lot more nounce than Fonterra traded cars and all many of other things to sell milk to Russia. People forget history

The trekka and skodas

Best forgotten
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True Grif but there was much more that never made news here.

Smart trading and sold our Milk mountain which neither Britain nor the EEC cared about when they dumped us in favour of themselves.
We owe them fuck all.
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August 15, 2015 6:53pm
nasska

…..”Now who (other than Colin Craig) could know whether he’s only ever had “one sexual relationship which is with his wife [Helen] of over 23 years”?”…..

I admit that my habit of commenting on Kiwiblog has made me nearly paranoid about the risks of making statements that have not been peer reviewed but that statement does beg the question a little Nostra. You don’t think that the “author” may be a long time stalker, third person & voyeur who has installed cow bells under the Craig’s matrimonial bed? Other than that the authoritative tone of the statement seems designed to discourage debate.

You dont, /shock,horror font// think that Mr Craig may have fallen on hard times & been forced to write the pamphlet himself?
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August 15, 2015 7:05pm
Odakyu-sen

Read @ 10:36

“You think it would have been different with us because you hallucinate white people have some special qualities, and you’re dreaming.”

Do “white people” have some special qualities?
Are the qualities intrinsic or inherited?
Inherited qualities can be squandered. Territory and population can be given away or watered down.
Intrinsic qualities relate more to genetic qualities (the hardware) and culture (the software).

Of all of these, the culture is the most important.

Discuss?
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August 15, 2015 7:11pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

You dont, /shock,horror font// think that Mr Craig may have fallen on hard times & been forced to write the pamphlet himself?

The only other possibility – which is barely worth considering – is that Colin Craig has arranged for a secret witness to confirm his marital fidelity. I suppose the secret witness would have to have hidden behind the curtains (or perhaps under the bed) for the last 23 years.

Now, surely, even Colin Craig wouldn’t do that?

So, if we discount the secret witness, then that are we left with Colin Craig as the only person who could have included that claim in the pamphlet?
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August 15, 2015 7:14pm
nasska

….” I suppose the secret witness would have to hide behind the curtains (or perhaps under the bed) when he gets it on.”….

Ye Gods! The employment some people are forced into in order to feed their kids.

You’ll turn me into a socialist yet Nostra! 🙂

Option #2 is logical.
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August 15, 2015 7:22pm
big bruv

If the rain dance is so fearsome why do the NZ team need it broadcast over the PA system?

Oh..and its still a national embarrassment.
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August 15, 2015 7:33pm
Longknives

The arrogant morons doing their ‘scary’ Throat Slitting one tonight Bruv? (I’m not watching- Sick already of the relentless gushing over that perennial cheat McCaw)
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August 15, 2015 7:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen

Reid’s experiment has already been done.

re the Irish & Scots.

can’t speak for the Irish, but

“..for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.”
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August 15, 2015 7:49pm
MrTips

Another day, and DPF still daren’t mention the debacle that is EQC, the dodgy Fletchers contract and the clusterfuck that is the ChCh home repair programme. Why should anyone care? Because like the last National inspired fuckup (the leaky home saga) the rest of the country will spend the next 20 years paying for it via the courts and a shitty housing sector. Theres a reason why Gerry Brownlee didnt even score 2 in the latest CEO rating list.

Don’t get me wrong – I’m a National voter but I completely despair at their consistent moronic ineptitude on infrastructure and the building industry. And this country will pay because of it unless they man up and act appropriately and fix ChCh AND Auckland.
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August 15, 2015 7:50pm
Odakyu-sen

Maggy,

In the end, it’s kind of dumb to generalize about “races.” If you get to know someone long enough, you look past the superfluous things like skin color.
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August 15, 2015 7:57pm
publicwatchdog

Thank you Maggie – for posting a link to the TPPA – WALK AWAY!
protests held today in this national ‘day of action’.

It was a significant turn out in Auckland – despite the squally weather.

Don’t forget Kiwibloggers – tomorrow is the Auckland Rate$ Ripoff Rally!

If you’ve just received your Auckland Council 2015 – 2016 Rates Assessment Notice /Rates Invoice – and you’re NOT happy – you have a chance to ‘stand up and be counted’.

Auckland Rate$ Ripoff Rally!

WHEN: Sunday 16 August 2015

TIME: Assemble 1pm

WHERE: Aotea Square Queen St Auckland City

There will be brief speeches at Aotea Square by 2 Auckland Councillors who voted against the latest Auckland Council 2015 – 2016 rate increase:

Christine Fletcher
Ross Clow

Grey Power spokesperson
Anne- Marie Coury

Anti-Corruption Public Watchdog / 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
Penny Bright

There will be a brief march from Aotea Square – along Mayoral Drive – past the (former) Auckland Council Civic Building at Greys Ave, to the new Auckland Council ‘Tower’ at 135 Albert St.

Speakers outside the new Auckland Council ‘Tower’ will be:

Spokesperson for ‘Affordable Auckland’ and 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
Stephen Berry

Chair of the Mangawhai Residents and Ratepayers Association (MRRA) – ( who have been / are fighting for the Kaipara District Council to be held accountable to the ‘Rule of Law’).
Bruce Rogan

Spokesperson for the Westmere Heritage Protection Association, and initiator of the 2015 Auckland Council ‘rate$ revolt’
Lisa Prager

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Penny Bright
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August 15, 2015 8:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen

I think Reid was just making the point that within any group of hard-done-by folks there are going to be some who will be resentful for decades/generations.

I have met some Campbells and been extremely civil and friendly to them…….but I’m a Macdonald and I know their crime!!
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August 15, 2015 8:13pm
big bruv

Why is the NZ captain allowed to break the laws of the game over and over again without being yellow carded?

This ref is not going to allow the Aussie’s to play their game at all, the fix is in.
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August 15, 2015 8:25pm
Longknives

Was always going to happen Bruv- Think the absolute joke that was the RWC ‘final’ in 2011,
France were blasting them off the park but the terrified Ref saved their allegedly ‘invincible’ arses…
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August 15, 2015 8:28pm
big bruv

I really thought we were in for a real game after the first five mins. However the ref had noticed that it was not going to script, it is not thinkable that the NZ captain would lose his last game at Eden park.

International rugby involving the NZ team is corrupt.
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August 15, 2015 8:32pm
big bruv

And the usual small minded dickhead Kiwi fans in the crowd booing everything Cooper does.
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August 15, 2015 8:36pm
stigie

Dont worry about Richie BB, my concern is Arron Smith, poor choices and too many mistakes, the same in the 1st test.
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August 15, 2015 8:38pm
nasska

Odakyu-sen

….” If you get to know someone long enough, you look past the superfluous things like skin color.”…..

True but we don’t always have the luxury of the amount of time it takes to make a reasoned judgement on a person or people. Think in terms of an ancestor encountering a sabre tooth tiger. Tigers bite, run or fight is quite a reasonable reaction & would probably save the day.

Much racism & discrimination has survival as its genesis. It is a hard wired trait not a whim of fancy.
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August 15, 2015 8:38pm
Nookin

I see Statler and Waldorf are back in typically disagreeable frame of mind.
They’ll hate what happened just then.
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August 15, 2015 8:45pm
wellygirl

Shawn, on the Hillary Clinton stuff, I think she should be jailed for having the classified information on her personal server, she was the Secretary of State FFS, she would have known it was a federal offence to have that information off approved systems – not to mention passing it to uncleared people! Maybe she could join Snowden….

Also, I will admit to not having followed it closely, but I seem to recall something about personnel details being on servers from the company she used, if this is the case, I wonder if they are investigating it as a possible way that the massive hack happened (if time frames fit). Just a thought….
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August 15, 2015 8:48pm
big bruv

stigie

Are you talking about the chap who thinks it is perfectly acceptable to send unsolicited pics of his penis to females?

The latest little gem I have seen is one of the moronic Franks brothers intentionally try and injure the Aussie open side who is again making the NZ captain look stupid.

I really do hate this team and the vast majority of the people who go and support them.
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August 15, 2015 8:49pm
Longknives

Nookin- Not even watching mate.
Was always scripted that a terrified Ref would bail out the World’s most deluded and arrogant sports team (‘You MUST respect our Haka’ etc) at Eden Park..
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August 15, 2015 8:51pm
Longknives

“The latest little gem I have seen is one of the moronic Franks brothers intentionally try and injure the Aussie open side who is again making the NZ captain look stupid.”

Doesn’t surprise me Bruv- They know they are exempt from any sanction or punishment (Think Umaga/Mealamu on O’Driscoll or McCaw’s blatant attack on Morgan Parra)
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August 15, 2015 8:55pm
wellygirl

Penny, do you think that those that run for public office should be above reproach in all their affairs, and follow the law, and not blatantly refuse to meet their obligations as a member of the community they wish to represent?

Do you think that those that stand for Parliament should meet all their tax (and ACC, if applicable) obligations?

If they don’t, do you think that they may be fairly considered corrupt, unethical, criminal and unfit to represent the people?

Do you think all of those that stand for Council should meet their obligations if they are homeowners?

If they don’t do you think they may be fairly considered as being criminal, corrupt, unethical, and unfit to represent the people?

As a public watchdog and anti-corruption campaigner I am sure that you would expect the highest of ethical behaviour from those that run for public office, or am I wrong, and you are really a hypocrite who only expects those you don’t like or agree with to meet those high standards you set?
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August 15, 2015 8:56pm
Nookin

Longknives

Shame you aren’t watching. Just scored 4th try. Sure, there is some insufferable arrogance but this is, for the most part, ignorant sections of the news media and the usual gaggle of bigots.
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August 15, 2015 8:59pm
Nostradamus

Wellygirl:

It gets worse than that.

Penny said this a few days ago:

As a CONFIRMED 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate, and as the 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate who polled 4th with 11,723 votes – why wasn’t I asked these questions?

I’ve asked her – twice now and this is the third time – to answer those same six questions:

1. What is your solution to the reported level of foreign ownership of residential property?
2. What one thing would you do to help solve the housing shortage?
3. Would you cap the rate rise?
4. Would you cut any major projects, and if so, what?
5. What is more important – a bigger road network/new roads or more bus lanes/cycle paths/walking paths?
6. Why would you be a good mayor?

Still waiting for answers. The hypocrisy is strong in this one!
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August 15, 2015 9:12pm
Nostradamus

Big Bruv:

Did you see this?

Before the [TPPA] protest All Black Piri Weepu tweeted that he was “gutted” he couldn’t join the rallies which were taking place in 20 cities across New Zealand today.

I can’t recall seeing an All Black want to march in solidarity with the Great Unwashed before.
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August 15, 2015 9:18pm
Aliog

I wondered what sort of shit Big Bruv would come up with after a comprehensive thrashing by the awesome ABs…but he’s been whining about corruption already I see. What a total wanker you are, bb.
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August 15, 2015 9:18pm
big bruv

Aliog

Ever watched the game with both eyes open?
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August 15, 2015 9:28pm
wellygirl

indeed Nostradamus,

She is happy to smear members of the Government via her ‘questions’, ask questions of those on this forum, and complain when she doesn’t get answers, but isn’t willing to answer any questions put to her – even when she seemingly wanted to be asked the questions!

Penny must have a lot to hide if she isn’t willing to actually front up and answer those questions you have put to her, and if she doesn’t answer mine, well I will just have to assume she is a hypocrite who doesn’t believe she should be held to the same high ethical standards she likes to hold those she dislikes to.

Not a lot of transparency from her though, as a mayoral candidate I would expect more transparency – and even more so as a mayoral candidate who is a self styled transparency watchdog….

Penny, I think you need to answer Nostradamus’ questions before mine, your refusal makes you look like you have something to hide – or just cowardly!
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August 15, 2015 9:31pm
Nookin

Nostradamus.

You will never get any answers. The reason is simple. She doesn’t know. She doesn’t understand how councils work, she know nothing about business, she would not know a conflict of interest if it was wrapped around a bit of 4 x 2 and whacked her around the ears. She thinks a derivative is some sort of trade waste. Anything she doesn’t understand, she hates.

But, she will continue to slag and brag and when Groser either walks away (as he says he will do if the deals doesn’t cross the line), or if he strikes a good deal, she will claim the credit.
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August 15, 2015 9:32pm
big bruv

Goodness me the after match at Eden park is sickening. I need a bucket.
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August 15, 2015 9:35pm
Aliog

I watched with both eyes open – you obviously can’t, BB. But you can’t stop watching either 🙂
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August 15, 2015 9:38pm
Aliog

ANd the 40 thousand who stayed behind to enjoy the after-match are all clearly deluded as well? You should get on well with Reid and EAD, BB!
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August 15, 2015 9:42pm
big bruv

Aliog

I watch sometimes, more so if I think that the NZ team might lose. The pity is that people like you don’t watch the game objectively, if you did you would recognise that the referees do not police both teams in an even manner, and, that the NZ captain is a cheat.
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August 15, 2015 9:44pm
Longknives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo

Sadly for Aliog the rest of the Rugby World does watch the game objectively- And consider NZ’s RWC Final ‘Win’ in 2011 an absolute joke…
(Ever wondered why you NEVER see highlights of this on TV? Yet you always see the mighty ’87 side?)
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August 15, 2015 9:49pm
Aliog

You are a sad wee fucker, little bruv…but who knows, you might be the only one (well, you and your few sycophantic mates) who can see the TRUTH 🙂 Have you talked to UT?
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August 15, 2015 9:51pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Bit on the nose BB in the crowd trying to hug Ritchie after the match when he did his walk around. But fair enough, season after season of carrying the oranges would get to anyone.
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August 15, 2015 9:59pm
Dave Stringer

have the greens abandoned social media?

nothing new on their blog for days, and they’ve closed off the last few posts from additional comments.

hmmmmmmmmmm
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August 15, 2015 10:30pm
Nostradamus

Dave Stringer:

This should bring you up to date on the latest Green Party policy…
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August 15, 2015 10:34pm
Manolo

bruv will down a whole bottle of vodka to celebrate tonight’s victory. He is very happy for his great mate Richie.
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August 15, 2015 10:35pm
Nostalgia-NZ

In his final interview for the night BB told the international media outlets that he’d been so excited during the game every time Richie touched the ball that he couldn’t remember how many times he’d ‘widdled’ himself, and that was why he was wearing nappies under his kilt.
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August 15, 2015 10:41pm
big bruv

Aliog

Are you from Chch at all and do you claim Richie McCaw as a close personal friend?

Are you into gliding at all?
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August 15, 2015 10:48pm
cha

So Manolo, here’s the plan:

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Hillary / Michelle 2016, 2020

Michelle / Chelsea 2024, 2028

Chelsea / Malia 2032, 2036

Malia / ??? 2040, 2044
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August 15, 2015 10:53pm
Keeping Stock

A “rates rip-ff” protest Penny?

Surely you’d have to actually be PAYING rates in order to be ripped-off; just sayin’ …
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