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waikatogirl

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An elderly man killed near the toilets on London Street in Hamilton last night, just off the main street, his car stolen, person arrested.

I only mention this as it appears to be identical to another murder approx 10 years ago of an elderly man who had driven up from Wellington, same place, etc and car stolen.
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August 11, 2015 4:59pm
Odakyu-sen

Fletch,

“Islamic parental love –”

With a father like that, it’s entirely possible that the daughter would not have lived long after she been rescued.

It begs the question, why did the father not rescue her himself (unless he couldn’t swim).
If the father was the only one that could touch his daughter AND he was unable to swim, then why did he put his daughter in a potentially dangerous situation (as all open ocean beaches can be)?

Maybe the mean bastard didn’t want to stump up his daughter’s dowry…
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August 11, 2015 5:07pm
Viking2

More bad news for the Govt. Ah but the brave faces.

Finance Minister Bill English admits the economy is softening, amid a gloomy forecast for a sharp rise in unemployment.

But while English conceded that the number of job seekers could climb, he said there would be no steps to spend money to stimulate growth, pointing to “plenty of room” for interest rate cuts.

Today Westpac delivered a quarterly outlook which predicted that unemployment would rise from 5.9 per cent now to 6.5 per cent in March 2016, with growth dropping below 2 per cent on the back of a “ferocious” drop in export prices

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/71017304/nz-finance-minister-bill-english-says-plenty-of-room-for-interest-rate-cuts

Plus china devalued today.

Predicted they would.

BEIJING INTERVENES
The big news you may have missed is that China today lowered is Yuan Reference Rate by a record 1.85%. That move is pushing around world cross rates. The Kiwi dollar slipped -70 bps when it was announced vs the greenback, and against the euro, but is little changed against the Aussie. Just a reminder that the Yuan is not a free floating currency with levels set by the market; rather one where rates that are uncomfortable to Beijing are manipulated based on their vast reserves to back them up. Policy risk is high in that currency.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/71034771/nz-dollar-falls-after-chinas-surprise-currency-devluation
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August 11, 2015 5:41pm
Viking2

Did you know we allowed nearly 900 actors visa’ to come here last year?

http://croakingcassandra.com/2015/08/11/what-sort-of-people-get-new-zealand-work-visas/comment-page-1/#comment-2553
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August 11, 2015 5:47pm
wellygirl

“Careful, wellygirl!

You are in danger of being labelled haemophobic.”

Make that an anti-feminist misogynistic hemophobic thank you! 😉

Note: I am not sure if women can be misogynistic, but that seems to be the term du jour of the lefty liberals and SJW for anyone who says anything deemed ‘anti-women’. (insert eye-roll)
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August 11, 2015 6:15pm
big bruv

So, the Connor Morris murder trial (yeah, yeah, I know, who gives a fuck about the death of a gang member) I was thinking that the man charged with his murder will probably go to Jail where as the two low life feral Maori kids who killed the Indian shop keeper in West Auckland walked away pretty much Scott free.

Strikes me we have it all wrong, the guy who killed Morris should really get nothing more than a “don’t do it again” from the judge whereas the two kids from West Auckland should never see the light of day again.
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August 11, 2015 6:24pm
Shawn Herles

@ kowtow

“Seen this?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08/10/apparently-free-bleeding-is-a-thing-now-and-social-justice-warriors-want-you-to-know-all-about-it/”

Yup, got that one on my facebook feed. Another great leap forward for progressive feminism! Not.

And I agree with wellygirl…EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
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August 11, 2015 6:30pm
mikenmild

Are SJWs going to be come a thing now on Kiwiblog?
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August 11, 2015 6:33pm
Shawn Herles

Unarmed White Teen Gunned Down by Black Cop… Where’s the Outrage?

“Recently an 18-year-old University of South Alabama student, Gil Collar, was shot and killed by a campus police officer.

Sound familiar? The point is that while we may never know if deadly force was justified – where is Al Sharpton on this one?

This was a black cop shooting an unarmed white teenager. Why aren’t predominantly white neighborhoods being set on fire right now? Why aren’t whites looting, rioting and flipping over cars?

This incident, which eerily parallels in many ways that of the Mike Brown shooting, clearly and unequivocally shows that race-baiters like Sharpton, Holder and even Obama himself know exactly what they’re doing when it comes to pushing racial tensions over the edge.”

http://conservativetribune.com/teen-shot-by-cop/

And just for mikey, the SJW’s are nowhere to be seen on this one.
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August 11, 2015 6:41pm
nasska

“Free bleeding” may be seen as gross but let’s get things into perspective……It’s only blood & I suspect that even the delicate petals who frequent Kiwiblog comments have probably witnessed a nosebleed or two without needing oxygen treatment.

I’d hate to see what would happen to you squeamish lot if you spent a year or two on a farm sorting out day to day stuff like half born dead lambs & footrot. 🙂
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August 11, 2015 6:43pm
Shawn Herles

I have dealt with a fair amount of blood naaska, but I really don’t want to see this become a trend. Thankfully I think the vast majority of women have more self-respect, and more brains, than that.
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August 11, 2015 6:47pm
nasska

….”I think the vast majority of women have more self-respect, and more brains, than that.”….

They probably do but the whole issue is just a fringe feminist plot to publicise their cause…..you, & others are just adding petrol to a tiny little flame.

The phrase “useful idiots” comes to mind. 🙂
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August 11, 2015 6:51pm
Odakyu-sen

nasska,

Blood or not, it’s important to keep your bodily fluids under control.

Take some of the regular posters on this forum for example…
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August 11, 2015 6:51pm
nasska

Are you referring to the tendency of someone who doesn’t pay her rates to throw shit at the walls Odakyu-sen? 🙂
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August 11, 2015 6:53pm
Shawn Herles

“They probably do but the whole issue is just a fringe feminist plot to publicise their cause…..you, & others are just adding petrol to a tiny little flame.”

Meh, I just wanted to say “EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW” on KB. It’s not often I get the chance. 🙂
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August 11, 2015 6:57pm
Shawn Herles

“Blood or not, it’s important to keep your bodily fluids under control.

Take some of the regular posters on this forum for example…”

Ummm, I’m almost afraid to ask, but what exactly have you been doing with some of the regular posters????
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August 11, 2015 6:58pm
SPC

As we move onto storytime, one wonders whether we

1. see any information on the number of agents who re-sell properties within a year, on behalf of the same investor who bought it.

2. have a follow up of the easy to remove electronic tags to a wider look at how police respond and public safety as per those on home detention.
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August 11, 2015 6:58pm
nasska

You know what really separates the men from the boys?

Quite often, an electronic tag does the trick.
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August 11, 2015 7:07pm
stephieboy

Speaking of Islamic parental love ,

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2015/januaryfebruary/three-views-after-domestic-violence-why-should-christian-wi.html

and,

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/23/does_the_bible_sanction_child_abuse_partner/
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August 11, 2015 7:09pm
Dennis Horne

I don’t care if menstruating women run au naturel.

Any chance some of those gorgeous tennis players will play without panties?
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August 11, 2015 7:12pm
stephieboy

Dennis Horne, how would you clinically characterise Trumps remarks ?
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August 11, 2015 7:15pm
Shawn Herles

“Any chance some of those gorgeous tennis players will play without panties?”

You mean at the same time as their monthly?

EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

See naaska, it’s a spreading slippery slope!! 🙂
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August 11, 2015 7:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I was very self-respecting….
I followed all the strictures
http://www.openbible.info/topics/menstruation
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August 11, 2015 7:16pm
Dennis Horne

Tourette’s is Trumps
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August 11, 2015 7:18pm
stephieboy

Ezekiel 36:17 ESV / 40 helpful votes

“Son of man, when the house of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds. Their ways before me were like the uncleanness of a woman in her menstrual impurity.”

Thoughts anyone ?
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August 11, 2015 7:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stephieboy

Thoughts anyone ?

A brilliant ruse to sideline half the world’s brains for thousands of years.
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August 11, 2015 7:22pm
nasska

….”I was very self-respecting….
I followed all the strictures”…..

Just so long as you stayed away from Te Papa all will be well Maggy.

The special people get a bit twisted over menstruation…..just like the rest of the primitives.
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August 11, 2015 7:23pm
stephieboy

nasska, and the Hebrews / Jews also ?
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August 11, 2015 7:26pm
AgentBallSack

Re menstruating runner: All I can say is I hope she changes her shoes.
And wears black socks.
And I never see her
And
and…
in perpetuem.
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August 11, 2015 7:27pm
Shawn Herles

Here Are Charges Hillary Could Face Over Her Private Emails

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/05/what-charges-could-hillary-clinton-face-over-her-private-emails
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August 11, 2015 7:27pm
Dennis Horne

Mother to son: “Please stop masturbating.”

“But Dad said it was quite natural.”

“Yes, but not at the table when we’ve got guests for dinner…”

Time and place, eh.
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August 11, 2015 7:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nasska

Just so long as you stayed away from Te Papa all will be well Maggy.

I have sat in the back row in Te Papa’s Marae…..I know my place.
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August 11, 2015 7:28pm
wellygirl

“I don’t care if menstruating women run au naturel.

Any chance some of those gorgeous tennis players will play without panties?”

Sorry to disappoint but I don’t think any gorgeous tennis players will be going commando in the near future – at Wimbledon anyway, one day though they might let them wear some pretty colours. 😉
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August 11, 2015 7:29pm
nasska

….” the Hebrews / Jews also ?”…..

The whole bloody lot of them who want to make women inferior because of their physical makeup stephieboy.

I covered it under “primitives”.
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August 11, 2015 7:30pm
Dennis Horne

wellygirl. Thank you for not calling me a dirty old man.

I did actually want to make a point. It’s all unnatural, isn’t it, clothing and modesty, but necessary. Decorum.
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August 11, 2015 7:31pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles,

do note – Could ” face !

More Fox embellishments ?
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August 11, 2015 7:34pm
AgentBallSack

By the way, free bleeding isn’t a new thing. Women did it for thousands of years. Then we became civilized. We could all walk around not wiping our arses and calling it a victory for the human race but I personally don’t like the dags.
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August 11, 2015 7:38pm
Shawn Herles

“do note – Could ” face !

More Fox embellishments ?”

That article was before the FBI opened an investigation, so no, a very real possibility.
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August 11, 2015 7:42pm
Shawn Herles

“The whole bloody lot of them who want to make women inferior because of their physical makeup stephieboy.”

It had nothing to do with women being inferior naaska, and in fact it had little to do with women at all.

Ritual sex in temples during menstruation was a common practice with the pagan nations that surrounded Israel.

God’s intention with the Jews was to separate them culturally, especially in terms of worship, from those nations and their religious practices, to create a people unto Himself, and to purge them of the pagan forms of worship they were often influenced by.

Thus the restrictions in question. But they did not mean women were inferior, or that there was anything inherently wrong with menstruation.

A lot of the “odder” laws in the OT have this separation from the surrounding pagans as their basis.
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August 11, 2015 7:50pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, put it like this ,

FBI looking into the security of Hillary Clinton’s private e-mail setup,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-looks-into-security-of-clintons-private-e-mail-setup/2015/08/04/2bdd85ec-3aae-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html

A victim of your own hyperbole or porkies ??
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August 11, 2015 8:01pm
Dennis Horne

So AgentBallSack wipes his arse
Clearly from the upper class!
If he had a hairy dag
It would not even wag
When nasska rendered the coup de grâce
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August 11, 2015 8:04pm
nasska

I can take most of that on board Shawn. Another instance that makes sense when looked at through the lens of the times was the restriction on pork. Pigs were the carriers of many diseases & keeping communities free of them was a good recipe for survival.

But after that we part. Nowadays, any restrictions on pork, menstruating women & a thousand other minutae are dogma……nothing more & nothing less yet the Bible & the Koran are full of the crap. I’m sure that some of the more ridiculous examples in Exodus & Leviticus exist only to provide ammunition for us atheists.

Fine by me if you won’t eat crayfish but treating your wives & daughters as second grade garbage attracts the contempt you bitch about.
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August 11, 2015 8:04pm
wellygirl

“wellygirl. Thank you for not calling me a dirty old man.”

If I did I might be accused of being ageist for referring to you as old, or I might offend you because you aren’t old, but really some hormonal teenager masquerading as a dirty old man! 😉
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August 11, 2015 8:05pm
Shawn Herles

FBI investigation of Hillary’s emails is ‘criminal probe’

“The FBI investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s unsecured email account is not just a fact-finding venture — it’s a criminal probe, sources told The Post on Wednesday.

The feds are investigating to what extent Clinton relied on her home server and other private devices to send and store classified documents, according to a federal source with knowledge of the inquiry.

“It’s definitely a criminal probe,” said the source.

“The DOJ [Department of Justice] and FBI can conduct civil investigations in very limited circumstances,” but that’s not what this is, the source stressed. “In this case, a security violation would lead to criminal charges. Maybe DOJ is trying to protect her campaign.”

Clinton’s camp has downplayed the inquiry as civil and fact-finding in nature. Clinton herself has said she is “confident” that she never knowingly sent or received anything that was classified via her private email account.

But the inspector general for the intelligence community has told Congress that of 40 Clinton emails randomly reviewed as a sample of her correspondence as secretary of state, four contained classified information.

If it is proved that Clinton knowingly sent, received or stored classified information in an unauthorized location, she risks prosecution under the same misdemeanor federal security statute used to prosecute former CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus, said former federal prosecutor Bradley Simon.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/05/fbi-investigation-of-hillarys-emails-is-criminal-probe/

Sorry stephie, but she’s in deep shit. 🙂
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August 11, 2015 8:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nasska

Another view of museums and menstruation

An interesting thesis on Maori women’s experience of menstruation and the pollutive role of Christianity and Patriarchy
http://researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10289/5532/thesis.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y
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August 11, 2015 8:11pm
Shawn Herles

@ nasska

“But after that we part. Nowadays, any restrictions on pork, menstruating women & a thousand other minutae are dogma……”

Well to a Christian they are “old hat” as well, as the civil law of the OT does not apply to Christians, who are under, in a legal sense, the grace of Christ, not the Law.

Jesus said the Law stood until all was fulfilled, and it was, on the cross. This distinction between the old Law and the new Grace is essential for understanding the whole of Scripture.

Anyway, I’m cooking dinner for my wife tonight as she has had meetings all day and much of the evening, so later folks.
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August 11, 2015 8:11pm
Dennis Horne

wellygirl. Weeell, actually … I went to confession today. “Father, I’ve just got a beautiful young lady pregnant…”

“Well, my son … I absolve you … blah blah … Three Hail Marys … ”

“But, Father, I’m not a Catholic!”

“Well, what are you telling me for?”

“Hell, I’m so excited I’m telling everybody…”
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August 11, 2015 8:18pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, all your link from the Murdoch New York Post does is take us back to “could be’ and at this link to the New York Times,

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/us/politics/inquiry-is-sought-in-hillary-clinton-email-account.html

Deep Shit ?

Hmmm…. !
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August 11, 2015 8:22pm
Dennis Horne

I’m fed up to the back teeth with religion. Looking forward to having David Bain back on the menu. 🙂 🙂 🙂

GOODNIGHT!
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August 11, 2015 8:23pm
nasska

Thanks for the reference Maggy, (I think)…..I’m up to Page 23 & I know less than when I started other than how the special people waste valuable electrons on crap & verbiage.

But as a scholar can you shed any light on a theory I’ve developed during a layman’s long study of human traits?

My hypothesis is that from puberty to menopause Polynesian women are treated as shit. Their opinions are worth nothing, they sit to the back, they’re punchbags for abusive partners.

Then in mid life, at that precise time, as if a switch was flicked, they become revered “kuia”, the guardians of genealogy & custodians of the wisdom of the people.

Why?
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August 11, 2015 8:29pm
aquataur

Up on the Herald – Big Read

See

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11495581

The busting of a big P ring, the mastermind being on welfare in NZ for 20 years and fucking up who knows how many lives

Now have a look at the surnames; any wonder why middle NZ is anti a certain class of immigrants – one lot takes houses from our kids and the other hooks them on drugs. Not much more scientific than the Labour party but it still tells a compelling story

OPERATION GHOST
FOUND GUILTY TODAY
• “Baldy Mark” See Meng Hoo – Found guilty of 29 pseudoephedrine charges and 2 methamphetamine charges. Acquitted on 8 charges.
• Chee Eng Tan – Found guilty of 10 pseudoephedrine charges, acquitted on 10.
• Saman Ahmad Khan bigy – Found guilty of 4 methamphetamine charges and 2 pseudoephedrine charges

Others already convicted and sentenced
• “Peter” Van Thanh Tran (13 years 8 months)
• Chuck Lou Tarm (12 years six months)
• “Alex” Zhi Tong Li (11 years 8 months)
• Ziyang Ma (9 years 4 months)
• Joel Davies (9 years 3 months)
• Zigeng Ma (six years six months)
• Mosese Uele (5 years 5 months)
• Jiu Mei Zheng (2 years 9 months)
• Hau Phan Lam (2 years 8 months)
• Yoke Lee (2 years 8 months)
• Quan Ha (2 years 6 months)
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August 11, 2015 8:49pm
stephieboy

aquataur , deport all our Chinese immigrants going back to when ?
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August 11, 2015 9:04pm
aquataur

Stephie – not talking about deporting, just don’t let the f**ckers in.
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August 11, 2015 9:08pm
SPC

stephieboy, quite a few of those are not Chinese names.
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August 11, 2015 9:13pm
stephieboy

SPC , and these busts etc here,

http://www.ofcanz.govt.nz/media-releases
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August 11, 2015 9:16pm
Dennis Horne

Breaking news: Most of those arseholes came from Chipping Norton in the Cotswolds.
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August 11, 2015 9:17pm
AgentBallSack

Remembered in verse by Horne
A KB requirement, not scorn!
But when upskirts he views
he turns off his muse
and changes his focus to porn
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August 11, 2015 9:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nasska

Try speed reading with the thesis then.
(Remember this thesis might be the first time the author has assembled her research & thoughts in one place)
Don’t concentrate on the tiny points….. but look at her key argument that with the arrival of Christianity the view that women were inferior and menstrual blood was a pollutant pervaded the customary activities/beliefs associated with Maori menarche and birthing.

wrt your views on Maori & Polynesian women being treated as shit, I’m probably in no position to comment. I’m not an anthropologist.
Most of the Maori & Polynesian women I know would be seen as successful women. They don’t seem to be burdened with drop-kick partners.
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August 11, 2015 9:20pm
AgentBallSack

Baldy Mark is obviously a white 40 year old Biker name.
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August 11, 2015 9:26pm
Jack5

A couple of snippets from the MA thesis on Maori menstruation that Maggy Wassilieff draws attention to in her 8.11 post in this thread. (The thesis is by Ngāhuia Murphy at Waikato University in 2011. The bold highlighting of the name of Flavell, the MP and Maori Party co-leader, is mine):

In Taranaki my whānau were fortunate to experience the teachings of kaumātua Huirangi Waikerepuru who declared the reclamation of atua Māori paramount, and damned the effects of Christianity on the Indigenous mind (and as I argue in this thesis, the body). Around the mountain a movement to reject Christian prayers and reclaim karakia tūturu (traditional chants and incantation) was well underway. This aspiration was fostered by my father and Te Ururoa Flavell’s radical talkback radio show that challenged marae to ban Christian prayers. The kaupapa was also championed by others involved in the Māori education and health sectors.

Murphy also writes of her Dad:

My father, who had struggled for many years to reclaim te reo Māori, was the first school teacher in the country to take on the education board, demanding three months stress leave to begin reclaiming his ancestral tongue, denied him through what he argued was an inherently abusive, assimilationist education system.

… and in a footnote to this:

My father’s charge was the education system had abused him as a child by denying his Indigeneity, and schooling him to be a Pākehā. With a doctors certificate and psychologist’s report supporting his request for stress leave (which he argued was the outcome of continued cultural repression in the education system), the board was forced to accept his request.
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August 11, 2015 9:52pm
Dennis Horne

AgentBallSack has written a limmerick
Explaining how D Horne does tick
The joke about porn is wearing thin
And not likely to produce a grin
For that I would pick dipping your wick
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August 11, 2015 10:34pm
Manolo

What theory will the deranged KB-resident Muslim come up with? http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/well-it-looks-an-awful-lot-like-theres-a-woman-on-mars-in-this-nasa-photo/ar-BBlCSaB?ocid=mailsignoutmd
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August 11, 2015 11:40pm
UglyTruth

For Manolo, stephieboy, Shawn Herles, and Fletch…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z3_lIPESVTw
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August 12, 2015 3:18am
ROBBLACK

The Syrian migrants say, “If this is Europe, we want to go back home!”

If only.
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