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starboard

cold much..
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August 10, 2015 8:05am
jcuk

Very nippy
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August 10, 2015 8:07am
Inandout

The economy is ‘cold much’ by all indications and we are in for a rough ride. What is the bet that government spending cuts will dodge around the Maori industry, and they will continue to be showered with taxpayer money?
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August 10, 2015 8:08am
Paulus

Sad to be told on RNZ Morning Report etc that the Farmers of New Zealand are incompetent fools, who do not know that their world and New Zealand is collapsing.
Litlle Little is in despair for the sake of the country, and stupidly says that they will have to sell, as the Banks are not going to help,to foreigners. He will ban that when he gets power – which forbid he does not.
I was not aware from the Farmers that I know other than they are very skilled at their jobs, in the full knowledge that the Dairy industry is cyclical.
I wish Little, Littel by name and nature would get a real job before he could even hope to become Prime Minister when all his rhetoric will become bullpucky.
Kelvin Davis looks better and better.
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August 10, 2015 8:08am
Viking2

So all is well and bright in your world then is it inandout?

Fonterra botched with the govt.’s help the scare last year.
The question is are they going to do the smae this year and next.

Not a spectacular track record at all.

Despite warning by others that this was coming sometime back they just plowed on.

But continue to live your dream.
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August 10, 2015 8:13am
starboard

Brown mafia has government by the balls. They will never miss out .
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August 10, 2015 8:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

is this a beat-up against Adams, or could some of us on KB really end up with a 2-year vacation in prison?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11494512
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August 10, 2015 8:16am
stephieboy

Paulus, on RNZ Little in fact did not say that but voiced concern at the high indebtedness many dairy farmers are facing , forced off the land and those farms falling into hands of foreign buyers.

Nowhere did he suggest dairy farmers s were ” incompetent fools”
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August 10, 2015 8:18am
mikenmild

I think there would be a difference between blasphemy and denigration of someone due to his or her religion. It’s an extension of already existing anti-discrimination laws.
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August 10, 2015 8:19am
Simon

When is National going to move RNZ onto a subscription model?

Farming is fucked the debted out farmers have less than nothing. During the profitable years farmers have paid hundreds of millions in tax to the State so it can keep dozens of useless Ministries going.

Now because of over taxation to pay for the Ministry for Women, Ministry for PI & Commie Radio etc etc some farmers will go under. They should have some money in the reserve. They dont. 1/3 of the tax they have paid would properly see them through.

Anything the farmers might have kept in reserve has been pissed away by the State.
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August 10, 2015 8:20am
EAD

~~The Swedes must be the most suicidal culture and people in the world.~~ Sweden’s politicians must have a death wish for their ancient civilisation in what is surely the end game for cultural marxism as funding is diverted from the military to pay for the expensive army of 3rd world colonisers.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08/09/report-swedens-national-defences-have-vanished-and-russia-is-laughing/#comment-2182678257

Not content with paying eye-watering taxes to pay for the invading army of Muslims and other 3rd world detritus that has turned the most peaceful country in the world to the worlds rape capital, the suicidal Swedes have been busy deconstructing their military to such an extent that according to their Head of Defence Forces they could defend themselves ““for one week in one place and that is it”

The saddest thing is their Politicians still tell native Swedes that Russia is their biggest threat – well the Russians may not be cuddly but the destruction being visited on Sweden is happening right now and it is not by the Russian bogeyman (note to Sweden Politico’s – the Cold War ended 25 years ago).

Years and years of high tax, relatively successful socialism (oxymoron I know), derived from centuries of honest competent democratic governance, has made Swedes believe in their government. In fact it could piss down their backs and they’d would blithely accept their airy assurance that it was merely a gentle spring shower.

What a sad state of affairs, RIP Sweden:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/there-must-be-new-swedish-identity.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IaCcAJQwY
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August 10, 2015 8:20am
starboard

Do you do any work during the day MM..what govt dept do you work for ? I want to complain.
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August 10, 2015 8:22am
mjw

Fonterra Chief Executive calls for Supplementary Minimum Prices:

“We have to look at some more drastic thinking around our global dairy trade auction, because in Europe there’s a kind of a bottom created by governments, and we don’t have that, so we have to look at out-of-the-box solutions at that point in time”

Will John Key and Murray McCully do another creative deal? Is the journey back to Muldoonism now complete?
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August 10, 2015 8:24am
starboard

I’ve never seen a poor farmer. They all still drive around in 50K plus vehicles. They have had it pretty good of late , if they cant budget for the downturns ( like the rest of us ) then they shouldn’t be in business.
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August 10, 2015 8:25am
mikenmild

kia ora starboard
I was explaining to someone a while ago that I no longer provide any personal information on Kiwiblog. So you will just have to speculate on what I do for a living.
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August 10, 2015 8:28am
Nigel Kearney

I think there would be a difference between blasphemy and denigration of someone due to his or her religion. It’s an extension of already existing anti-discrimination laws.

Existing anti-discrimination laws are limited to specific contexts such as employment or providing good and services, and are not criminal offences.

If I refuse to employ someone because they are a Scientologist, that is illegal and has been for decades. I could be sued but not charged with a crime.

If I say that Scientology is a load of bollocks and anyone who believes it is an idiot, I could be found guilty of a crime punishable by two years in prison because of the law National pushed through last month.
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August 10, 2015 8:31am
Dennis Horne

mikenmild. The mouse that roared. 😉
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August 10, 2015 8:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

@MM

so you can clearly see the difference between blasphemy and denigration of someone due to his religion.

Have you ever read any blasphemous posts here on KB?
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August 10, 2015 8:33am
SGA

mikenmild at 8:28 am
Liam Nesson’s “Taken” quote fits very well on the end of that 🙂
I was explaining to someone a while ago that I no longer provide any personal information on Kiwiblog. So you will just have to speculate on what I do for a living, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
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August 10, 2015 8:33am
starboard

你他妈的
Nǐ tā mā de Milky. You’re on the dole…’nuf said.
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August 10, 2015 8:33am
Chuck Bird

I wonder if one says Mohammed was a peadophile could they be convicted of a crime.
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August 10, 2015 8:36am
ross411

starboard (2,805 comments) says:
August 10th, 2015 at 8:25 am
I’ve never seen a poor farmer. They all still drive around in 50K plus vehicles. They have had it pretty good of late , if they cant budget for the downturns ( like the rest of us ) then they shouldn’t be in business.

Look, we’ve all heard for years how more and more farms are converting to dairy. And suddenly it’s unprofitable. Who would have thought that there’s no such thing as a gravy train? To expect the country to be financially manipulated by the government to support these choices, business choices they made for themselves, is the same as a tariff or a subsidy.

And I think the same every time I see droughts and farmers complaining about not having enough water. Or not enough feed. You chose to situate a business there. It was your business choice. Yet you still get government help for your poor business decisions.

We’ve seen how much benefit it was to make all the changes we have so far removing support for farmers. It’s time to cut the cord completely. It can only make the country stronger economically in the long run.
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August 10, 2015 8:38am
ross411

Simon (1,119 comments) says:
August 10th, 2015 at 8:20 am
When is National going to move RNZ onto a subscription model?

Farming is fucked the debted out farmers have less than nothing. During the profitable years farmers have paid hundreds of millions in tax to the State so it can keep dozens of useless Ministries going.

Now because of over taxation to pay for the Ministry for Women, Ministry for PI & Commie Radio etc etc some farmers will go under. They should have some money in the reserve. They dont. 1/3 of the tax they have paid would properly see them through.

Anything the farmers might have kept in reserve has been pissed away by the State.

So, you’re saying other taxpayers should pay more tax so the farmers don’t have to?
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August 10, 2015 8:41am
SGA

Chuck Bird at 8:36 am

I wonder if one says Mohammed was a peadophile could they be convicted of a crime.

I don’t think that a love of legumes would be serious enough to cause offense.
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August 10, 2015 8:41am
ross411

mikenmild (14,627 comments) says:
August 10th, 2015 at 8:28 am
kia ora starboard
I was explaining to someone a while ago that I no longer provide any personal information on Kiwiblog. So you will just have to speculate on what I do for a living.

I have compiled my own profile. You are a religiously loyal teacher who belongs to every teacher’s union in existence, and won’t hear a bad word against teachers, unions or the political party your union’s own. You fight the good fight, by denying any facts vigorously and making ridiculous arguments based on ignoring them.
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August 10, 2015 8:45am
Lance

Not all farmers are Dairy farmers.

In case some here didn’t get the memo

And those other farmers are generally doing pretty well.
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August 10, 2015 8:46am
waikatogirl

Starboard
I’ve never seen a poor farmer. They all still drive around in 50K plus vehicles. They have had it pretty good of late , if they cant budget for the downturns ( like the rest of us ) then they shouldn’t be in business.
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You try living off a 1/3 of your income with no end in sight and see how your budgeting works.
A farmer friend told my husband his last dairy cheque was $0.00. He’s had his farm for over 30 years so will be fine but others won’t be so lucky. Poor buggers.
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August 10, 2015 8:47am
SGA

starboard at 8:33 am

You’re on the dole…’nuf said.

lol – yeah, right. Anyone unwilling to tell everyone on a blog their employer’s name must be on the dole.
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August 10, 2015 8:47am
mikenmild

Nice profile, Ross. I suppose I should respond with my profile of you, but I don’t have that stalker mentality.
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August 10, 2015 8:50am
Dennis Horne

There was an old minister called Adams
Who nobody is able to fathoms
She passes new laws
Full of flaws
Instead of executing the bad’uns

Humble apologies to mikenmild. (May be having a cat-nap.)
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August 10, 2015 8:54am
peterwn

Harmful Digital Communications Act – Never paid much attention to it, but I just took a look at the ‘purpose’ clause which is important as an enactment must be interpreted according to its text and in light of its purpose.The purpose clause reads:
The purpose of this Act is to—
(a) deter, prevent, and mitigate harm caused to individuals by digital communications; and
(b) provide victims of harmful digital communications with a quick and efficient means of redress.

The fundamental issue is what does ‘harmful’ mean. The Act defines harm as ‘serious emotional distress’, so harm means just that, despite what a dictionary says. At this point one could arguably drive a bus through it to the detriment of any defendant.

It would have been much better if the ‘purpose’ clause had been expanded to better reflect what the legislators had in mind to avoid ‘scope creep’ which is a matter of real concern.

One way to push against ‘scope creep’ is to assemble the Select Committee report, Ministerial statements and Hansard transcripts and use these to discern Parliamentary intention which can then be used to better define ‘purpose’. However this exercise is unlikely to be done at least in the first cases and ‘scope creep’ seems inevitable.
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August 10, 2015 8:54am
EAD

Mikenmild – “I don’t have that stalker mentality”

You could have fooled me!
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August 10, 2015 8:57am
Inandout

Viking2 8.13: Can’t follow your logic on this one V2. Our economy is ailing but some people still get the goodies.
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August 10, 2015 8:57am
Northland Wahine

Damn MM. Looks like you may have your own wee stalker. How cute!
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August 10, 2015 8:59am
mikenmild

Dennis the dentist was rhyming
But couldn’t quite work out his timing
He selected some letters
To present to his betters
But perhaps should have just stuck to miming
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August 10, 2015 9:00am
mikenmild

Sorry EAD. If you were expecting no one to notice how you claim everything is the fault of the Jews, you should have been a bit more subtle about it.
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August 10, 2015 9:02am
SGA

If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer?
– Stephen Wright
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August 10, 2015 9:04am
SGA

Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts.
– Stephen Wright
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August 10, 2015 9:08am
Dennis Horne

mikenmild the servant is civil
But forever spouting drivel
Asserts the standard is high
But it’s just pie in the sky
And he looks like an old man with dribble
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August 10, 2015 9:10am
starboard

Spark/Telecom suck. Ever tried to disconnect from their shitty service? They require you to jump thru hoops and if not done right ( in their eyes ) will try and penalise you a months billing. Fuck you Spark..all I wanted to do was cut off a service , all that needs doing is a phone call to you with a months notice ( as I gave ). Why the back and forward emails , the heavy approach ” don’t let them go attitude ” and a final conversation with a pre menopausal old trout tut tutting me for not following the cut off procedure to a tee.
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August 10, 2015 9:14am
SGA

waikatogirl at 8:47 am

A farmer friend told my husband his last dairy cheque was $0.00. He’s had his farm for over 30 years so will be fine but others won’t be so lucky. Poor buggers.

Spare a thought as well (perhaps even more so) for all those with whom these farmers hold accounts.
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August 10, 2015 9:21am
dave_c_

Waikato girl –

Those who lose a third of their income with no end in sight, ought to consider themselves lucky !

I know several people who have lost their jobs, and have been unemployed for more than 12 months – (100 percent loss of income)

So put the brain into gear before crying poor for those who dont know the meaning of the word.
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August 10, 2015 9:23am
alloytoo

If blasphemy is a crime against god(s), then I think the injured parties should present themselves to lay the charge.
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August 10, 2015 9:28am
cas

I see the “clarifications” by newspapers are getting smaller and smaller. Two in recent times , one in the SST yesterday, had tiny clarifications ( or in other words correcting their errors) when the story to which they related were front page. John Key calling the extension to Maori language week boring was the SST’s effort a week ago with a very small page 3 “clarification”.

Any wonder we don’t trust the MSM
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August 10, 2015 9:29am
Inandout

dave_c_: I presume the unemployed that you know of have a benefit, so not 100% loss of income. If they are employable then I can’t believe there are absolutely no jobs for them, even in horticulture. The dairy farmer is at the mercy of world prices and must still maintain his/her cows as the main asset, but on a drastically reduced income; and that is after any mortgage payments are made.
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August 10, 2015 9:33am
ross411

mikenmild (14,631 comments) says:
August 10th, 2015 at 8:50 am
Nice profile, Ross. I suppose I should respond with my profile of you, but I don’t have that stalker mentality.

Wait, new addition, anyone who reads your extremely narrow brand of commentary and notes the ways it is narrow, is a stalker. You must not only be allowed to ignore facts and make judgement on others, you must not be judged yourself.

Oh princess..
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August 10, 2015 9:40am
mikenmild

Where did I say you couldn’t judge me? People judge comments here all the time; it’s par for the course.
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August 10, 2015 9:56am
mikenmild

Interesting week ahead for the ALL blacks. To my mind, the team for Saturday needs to be very much the first-line team for the RWC. There are a few question marks though. Is it time to bite the bullet and drop Dan Carter? Do we need to rejig the loose forwards? More grunt required at prop and lock?
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August 10, 2015 10:07am
G152

Blasphemy the victimless non crime of the century
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August 10, 2015 10:41am
waikatogirl

SGA

Spare a thought as well (perhaps even more so) for all those with whom these farmers hold accounts.
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I am personally very tuned into that specific thing. Our company supplies to farmers so are hoping the bottom is not going to drop out of the market. We will be ok, many may not.
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August 10, 2015 10:42am
Odakyu-sen

waikatogirl

Since the Australian banks have made so much money from loans in NZ, surely they will want to pump any distressed farm with liquidity to keep it afloat. The last thing the bank wants is to foreclose and put the property on the market, since a glut would cause the market to collapse.

One strategy to avoid a land price collapse, even if farmers go to the wall in large numbers, is to have deep-pocketed Chinese companies teed up, ready in the wings. This will allow the rapid transfer of title from NZ farmers to Chinese corporations for the benefit of all parties: the distressed farmers, the banks, the Chinese and the NZ government.

Everyone will be a winner!
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August 10, 2015 10:49am
Jack5

Maggy Wassilieff at 8.16 and Nigel Kearney at 8.31 are right to raise the anti-cyber bullying Harmful Digital Communications Act.

The PC ideologues and old and new Marxists at the Human Rights Commission will be scheming how they can use this act to hammer down what to them are political nails but to the rest of us are democratic voices.

Could the legislation be used to suppress public discussion and debate about immigration? About Mainland Chinese money coming into NZ property as it is into property in developed countries around the world? About perceived racism in dual systems for Maori and non-Maori? About any discussion of dangers of extremist Islamists in NZ? About mundane issues such as whether all public toilets should be unisex in the interest of gender benders?

And, yes, atheists should be allowed to question religion without fearing they could go to prison for expressing their views.
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August 10, 2015 10:50am
SGA

Odakyu-sen at 10:49 am

One strategy to avoid a land price collapse, even if farmers go to the wall in large numbers, is to have deep-pocketed Chinese companies teed up, ready in the wings. This will allow the rapid transfer of title from NZ farmers to Chinese corporations for the benefit of all parties: the distressed farmers, the banks, the Chinese and the NZ government.

That reads like a conspiracy theorist’s wet dream.
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August 10, 2015 10:52am
waikatogirl

Davec
I know several people who have lost their jobs, and have been unemployed for more than 12 months – (100 percent loss of income)
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Doh! Bit sensitive there sweetie.
Amongst many others I have also been made redundant during my working life too. Also self employed and had to close a business amongst other difficult times.

Don’t whinge and think others are always having an easy ride. I do hope you won’t be affected by the dairy payout drop, but some of us won’t get off without a few bruises at minimum.
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August 10, 2015 10:53am
Odakyu-sen

SGA,

Stop reflecting.

It’s not a conspiracy; it’s basic prudent financial management. Like I said, all parties benefit.

Welcome to the wonderful world of globalization.
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August 10, 2015 10:56am
SGA

Odakyu-sen at 10:56 am

Like I said, all parties benefit.

lol – but some would benefit much more than others.
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August 10, 2015 11:01am
waikatogirl

Odakuy-sen
Since the Australian banks have made so much money from loans in NZ, surely they will want to pump any distressed farm with liquidity to keep it afloat. The last thing the bank wants is to foreclose and put the property on the market, since a glut would cause the market to collapse.
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That’s what all the economists and MP’s are saying, but a farmer on Shaun Plunkett last week has been told by his bank to find another income stream or face being sold up.
The banks were bastards during 2010, personally visiting farmers and telling them not to pay their suppliers, that all income had to go to the bank first. Made it Very Uncomfortable for those supplying goods to farmers.
The Chinese have $3.5 trillion to spend on land and are well into buying Aussie farms paying such good prices the banks are rolling on their current Aussie owners.
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August 10, 2015 11:03am
stephieboy

jack 5. your post is based more on paranoia than reality . Maybe you should stick to say Comrade Redbiater and his blog.What is stopping you commenting and posting about the issues you raise here and elsewhere ?
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August 10, 2015 11:06am
labrator

I don’t read NZ newspapers, has the Chicken Little analogy been made for Andrew “crisis” Little?
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August 10, 2015 11:06am
Odakyu-sen

SGA

lol – but some would benefit much more than others.

Ah, the irony.

The Chinese are smart. Buy the resources you need rather than capture them. That way, you can be the good guy. Everyone loves the wealthy buyer. You get to apply leverage to local governments. It’s just so much smarter than the old ways of the 20th Century.

You’re not going to trash a town if you own a significant part of it.
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August 10, 2015 11:12am
Odakyu-sen

Listen up, people.

Any government who is willing to “ethnically rinse” the population of its largest city to maintain economic affluence will have absolutely no qualms about applying the same tactic to its rural populations.

For SGA, a little paranoia:
“First they came to the cities, but I said nothing, because I was not a townie…”
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August 10, 2015 11:16am
SGA

Odakyu-sen at 11:16 am

For SGA, a little paranoia:

huh? You seem to doing most of the running on both sides of our interchange.
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August 10, 2015 11:21am
Dave_1924

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11494364

Look Andy Little aka cousin to the Mouse that Flew, has declared that there is a Crisis in Dairying. So now the Labour magic touch has been applied things will stabilise and turn up.

Now on the points above about dairying and debt. Seriously if a farmer is in the industry it is 8 seasons since the payout was below $4 per kgMS. [http://www.interest.co.nz/rural-data/dairy-industry-payout-history]

The last 7 seasons have been pretty damn good when you look at the record going back to 1998/99. So any SERIOUS professional in the industry should have been building up equity by paying down debt and/or building a cash reserve to tide them over a couple or three down seasons.

Commodities are cyclical regardless of there sources, so operators in the industries producing them need to regularly do sensitivity analysis on price movements to understand what their doomsday scenarios and budgets look like, so they know how to ride the down turns and position to cream it when the upswing returns

It is a BUSINESS being a farmer. So less of the emotion about it being tough….. Time for the impacted farmers to show their business acumen, risk management and business planning skills. If a few marginal operators get flushed so be it…
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August 10, 2015 11:27am
Odakyu-sen

SGA,

Hey, I like to be well-balanced (that way, I can dribble out of both sides of my mouth).
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August 10, 2015 11:32am
Pete George

Nigel Kearney at 8:31 am

If I say that Scientology is a load of bollocks and anyone who believes it is an idiot, I could be found guilty of a crime punishable by two years in prison because of the law National pushed through last month.

peterwn at 8:54 am

Harmful Digital Communications Act – Never paid much attention to it, but I just took a look at the ‘purpose’ clause which is important as an enactment must be interpreted according to its text and in light of its purpose.The purpose clause reads:
The purpose of this Act is to—
(a) deter, prevent, and mitigate harm caused to individuals by digital communications; and
(b) provide victims of harmful digital communications with a quick and efficient means of redress.

How can an individual be harmed by general comments? Under the legislation can general comments be seen as bullying an individual?
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August 10, 2015 11:51am
Ross12

Looks like Rachel Smalley is continuing to dig a bigger hole for herself

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11494756
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August 10, 2015 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen

The problem with most Kiwis is that they don’t know the value of fertile land.

I want to scream at the idiots that cover alluvial land with housing estates or Infill eutrophic wetlands with sluburbia.

Or cover hill country in a cheap forest tree.

I’m sure our Asian masters will appreciate our soils better than we have.
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August 10, 2015 11:52am
Biscuit

It is (several expletives deleted) C O L D here today in Wellington.

Given the Labour Party’s brilliant track record in pronouncing a crisis exists in some sector of our economy (only to then see that sector perform in stellar fashion), can Andrew ‘Chicken’ Little be persuaded to declare that today’s weather has New Zealand in a crisis situation?
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August 10, 2015 11:57am
virtualmark

mikenmild,

I’m puzzled they haven’t tried Barrett at first five. He was the form first five in the Super 15 until he had his knee injury. I expect he’s now fully recovered from that. He’d add some penetration and creativity to the first five role. Sure his goal kicking isn’t as good as Dan Carter’s at his best … but then Dan isn’t kicking at Dan’s best either.

I’m concerned though that we’ve got too many old staggerers still hanging in there, especially in the forwards. None of our props could have scored the try Kepu did on Saturday night – they’re just not that explosive as runners. Both the Franks are strong, which is great in the scrums, but I think I can run faster than them. And Tony Woodcock isn’t dynamic around the field either. AB teams have prided themselves on having mobile dynamic forwards but apart from Dane Coles our front rowers look like they should be playing for England.

And we have to find a way to get Cane on the field. Richie is still a great leader. But perhaps he’s a better 6 nowadays than a 7. That’d be tough on Kaino, but right now if we had to choose between having Kaino or Cane on the field I’d plump for having Cane.
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August 10, 2015 12:00pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Ross12 (1,811 comments) says:
August 10th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Looks like Rachel Smalley is continuing to dig a bigger hole for herself

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11494756

No surprises hearing Jack Lame on ZB on the weekend come out in support of Smalley’s position. He’s so weak, it’s nauseating. The best response to Smalley and her fellow self-loathing liberals is to ignore them. If their comments create even a storm in a teacup, they actually think they’ve achieved something.
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August 10, 2015 12:04pm
Odakyu-sen

Maggy,

Absolutely. Just why they allow the suburbs of Pukekohe to cover that rich, horticultural land is beyond me. If NZ wants to triple its population, it will need all the good vegetable-growing soil it can get (or glass-house like mad, which is capital intensive).
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August 10, 2015 12:06pm
Inandout

Story starts tonight at 7 on TV3. If it about a Maori it is Hory Story, if they lie it will be Tall Story, a news bite will be a Short Story…..
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August 10, 2015 12:07pm
mandk

Well, blow me down!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11494244

I guess you might say that this was worth a punt. But I notice that the place didn’t open until midnight.

How many people out and about after midnight are not on the piss?
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August 10, 2015 12:15pm
kowtow

inandout

And if it’s about Notional ,it will be a ………..Tory Story.

Ba dum tish, I’ll get my coat.
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August 10, 2015 12:16pm
Inandout

kowtow: Well done, missed that one.
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August 10, 2015 12:21pm
Komata

Kowtow

Re: ‘And if it’s about Notional ,it will be a ………..Tory Story’

Actually no, it will be a ‘railway’ story, and will probably star TNL as the ‘lead actor’ together with a cast of thousands (literally).

(Just saying).
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August 10, 2015 12:29pm
Scott

Nigel Kearney at 8.31am on the law passed by National on communications.-
Overseas there are a lot of problems especially In Britain which is very pc-

“Christian preacher Pastor James McConnell has said he wants to be “exonerated, liberated and set free” after he pleaded not guilty at a Belfast court in connection with charges he faces over a sermon where he branded Islam as “satanic”.
At Laganside court on Thursday, the north Belfast preacher’s solicitor Joe Rice said his client would be pleading not guilty to the case prosecutors have taken under the 2003 Communications Act.
Supporters, including DUP MP Sammy Wilson, gathered outside the court holding placards to protest what they described as the pastor’s right to free speech.”
http://mychristiandaily.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13209:belfast-preacher-in-court-over-calling-islam-satanic&catid=219:today-s-news-aus-nz&Itemid=813
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August 10, 2015 12:35pm
Pharmachick

Hi all,

just wondered if anyone has been following the “kidnapping” saga with the young girl. Her family sounds (news reports) quite level and balanced [under the circumstances] but the media are making this episode sound very odd. I hope the young girl is okay.
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August 10, 2015 12:50pm
kowtow

quite level and balanced?

LA?
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August 10, 2015 1:01pm
Ashley Schaeffer

just wondered if anyone has been following the “kidnapping” saga with the young girl. Her family sounds (news reports) quite level and balanced [under the circumstances] but the media are making this episode sound very odd. I hope the young girl is okay.

It sounds like a teenage girl giving everybody the run-around more than anything else but until charges are laid – if any – who knows.
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August 10, 2015 1:05pm
Paulus Gnome

WGirl 10.53 ‘Doh! Bit sensitive there sweetie.
Amongst many others I have also been made redundant during my working life too. Also self employed and had to close a business amongst other difficult times.’

I was self employed for some thirty years, I now work as an employee.

I made some good returns in those self employed years and then got divorced that negated some twenty of those years (English system, none of this great 50 50 stuff)

Bottom line; I think everyone has to be self employed at some point in their working lives, just to experience how difficult it can be, never mind the flippant comment about farmer in $50k cars which really annoyed me.

I know being self employed that the hourly rate is going to be shit; on the plus side, there was always unlimited overtime.

When one works 60, 70, 80 90+ hours a week, they are allowed a $50k car; you can do the same anytime you care to chance your toe in the water.
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August 10, 2015 1:06pm
publicwatchdog

Is the leadership of Federated Farmers too close to the leadership of this National Government?

Why isn’t New Zealand exporting dairy products to Russia?

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/peters-fed-farmers-too-cosy-govt-help-farmers-176862?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NBR%2520Heads%2520Up#new-comment-form

Penny Bright
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August 10, 2015 1:06pm
Paulus Gnome

‘Story starts tonight at 7 on TV3. If it about a Maori it is Hory Story, if they lie it will be Tall Story, a news bite will be a Short Story…..’

Garners involved, it will be a horror story, it will be shit
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August 10, 2015 1:14pm
Pharmachick

@kowtow and @ashley schaeffer … thanks. It a bit hard to read between the lines when one only has the Herald and/or Stuff to go by (I’m o/seas).

I was really concerned earlier in the week, but this has become a bit of a murky saga.

FWIW I am still concerned for the young girl – even if she thinks she’s grown up, she isn’t. And I worry that NZP will be lackadaisical in applying statutory charges.
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August 10, 2015 1:15pm
UglyTruth

Supporters, including DUP MP Sammy Wilson, gathered outside the court holding placards to protest what they described as the pastor’s right to free speech.”

Nobody has the right to free speech because free speech (in its expansive sense) includes defamation as well as the truth.
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August 10, 2015 1:21pm
Nigel Kearney

Pete George:

How can an individual be harmed by general comments? Under the legislation can general comments be seen as bullying an individual?

Harm ‘to individuals’ is redundant. All harm affects individuals, unless it is harm to animals. If your statement denigrates a belief to the extent of questioning the sanity or intelligence of anyone who holds that belief, that statement could affect any of those individuals. Especially if it is a really small group of people (e.g. United Future supporters) or only one of the group is actually known to the person who posted the comment.

s22 of the Act sort of suggests that the communication has to target a single person, but it isn’t absolutely clear. Anyway, no ordinary, reasonable person suffers serious emotional distress as a result of another person being mean to them, so we know that s22 can only be inviting the court to do something silly.
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August 10, 2015 1:43pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth. rather disingenuous there. Does criticising Islam as per here includes defamation ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

Or is it about having an opinion on a religion like you do and me about Jews ?
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August 10, 2015 1:44pm
UglyTruth

Ugly Truth. rather disingenuous there.

FOAD, liar.
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August 10, 2015 1:51pm
Jack5

Stephieboy’s 11.06 post suggests he fully supports the Harmful Digital Communications Act.

Yet Stephieboy, in his racist hounding of Manolo because he believes Manolo’s views conflict with what he thinks is Manolo’s ethnicity, is himself one of those likely to end up in the slammer under the Act.

The irony is that if Stephieboy followed Manolo’s posts, he would see Manolo was a shareholder in Telecom when it unbundled. This implies that our poster, Manolo, is not a Peruvian called Manolo as Stephieboy thinks.

Even if Stephieboy had been correct and our poster was Peruvian, why should Stephieboy think all Peruvians are Leftist, politically correct, anti-white twits? (Note for Stephieboy: that’s a rhetorical question. Also, Stephieboy, who is this “Comrade Redbiater” of whom you speak?)
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August 10, 2015 1:51pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, Manolo is perfectly capable of of speaking for himself or are you his official personal spokesman ?

FOAD liar ? , Tsk, tsk, tsk… I take it then its Ok for your to criticise and defame or blame Jews ,but not others to do the same to Islam like that Northern Irish Pastor ?
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August 10, 2015 1:59pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

$50k cars for farmers! those rich pricks! When you are running a viable sized farm with $10-30million valuation, and millions per year turnover, an extra $3-5k per year to finance a car that you spend hundreds of hours travelling to and from town in is pretty much irrelevant to your business’s viability – perhaps equivalent to $0.002-5/kg change in dairy payout.
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August 10, 2015 1:59pm
kowtow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11793192/HMS-Hoods-bell-recovered-from-seabed-by-Microsoft-co-founder.html
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August 10, 2015 2:06pm
Chuck Bird

I see John Stringer is putting in a complaint about Craig’s election spending. I bet after making the statement he does not wait weeks to actually do so.
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August 10, 2015 2:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Public watchdog 1:06pm

Why isn’t New Zealand exporting dairy products to Russia?

You are aware that Russia has just consigned 10 tonnes of cheese to the rubbish dump, aren’t you?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33818186
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August 10, 2015 2:14pm
waikatogirl

Paulus Gnome
Bottom line; I think everyone has to be self employed at some point in their working lives, just to experience how difficult it can be, never mind the flippant comment about farmer in $50k cars which really annoyed me.
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Fully agree. self employment gives one a new perspective. No everyone cold manage it though.
Can’t abide those socialists who believe that anyone who works for themselves shouldn’t benefit from any hardworked income.

Doubt you can buy a new Holden or Flacon for $50k
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August 10, 2015 2:17pm
Dave_1924

Oooohhhhhh Matthew Hooten definitely doesn’t want a John Key lead National Party……. listen to the last 5 minutes or so, where he basically callers JK a liar reading between the not so subtle lines, in my view anyway

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201765844/politics-with-mike-williams-and-matthew-hooton

Also he says if Labour can’t get McCullys scalp they aren’t much chop based on the documents released.

Anyone know who is paying Matthews consulting fees at the moment? Would be nice to know so you can judge his commentry a little more clearly…
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August 10, 2015 2:52pm
ciaron

Anyone care to give a synopsis on drama that PG was alluding to on his blog last week?
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August 10, 2015 2:59pm
wellygirl

“Why isn’t New Zealand exporting dairy products to Russia?”

Really Penny? You are asking this? I thought you didn’t like to comment on issues you hadn’t researched? I guess you are happy to show your ignorance about this though. Penny, go and do some research about the topic before asking such a stupid and ignorant question, maybe start with the link from Maggy above.
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August 10, 2015 3:25pm
Jack5

Re Wellygirl at 3.25: In fairness to Penny, it was imported West European cheese the Russkies buried.

At the beginning of the Western sanctions a senior Russian said at one point, “Well, we’ll buy from New Zealand.” I think we wouldn’t sell.

It’s interesting because a few other NZ exporters trade with Russia. I wonder whether they’ve had to stop.

IMHO, Ukraine is NATO’s problem, not NZ’s, and selling to Russia would cushion the squeeze on NZ young farmers. I doubt NATO would raise one rifle to defend NZ. I guess NZ has played along because of TPP negotiations and reluctance to offend Uncle Sam.
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August 10, 2015 3:47pm
Shawn Herles

““Why isn’t New Zealand exporting dairy products to Russia?””

Wow. I mean really, wow.
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