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July 30, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 30 July 2015

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waikatosinger

So Little wants a new anthem. Just wondering what kind of public consultation process he has in mind for doing that.

Perhaps some public workshops; a chance for the public to submit alternatives; and a couple of referendums to decide the matter – the first to choose the best alternative, and the second to decide whether to go with the new anthem or keep the current one.

What do you reckon?
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July 30, 2015 3:14pm
Manolo

Colonialism is responsible (again): http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/70641919/judge-blasts-family-who-intimidated-young-victim-of-sexual-assault

Three generations of women in a Gisborne family turned on a 12-year-old relative who claimed she had been sexually assaulted by her uncle, in a case that a judge said “made a mockery of notions of whanau”.
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July 30, 2015 3:55pm
wiseowl

re Little and Winnie and new anthem, or any other dam thing.

It,s not up to politicians to put up these ideas along with the commensurate manipulation of process etc.

They are there to represent the people and what they want not, the other way round.
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July 30, 2015 4:01pm
mikenmild

i saw a good movie this afternoon. ‘Best of Enemies’ is about the TV debates between conservative William F Buckley and liberal Gore Vidal during the 1968 US presidential election. Sounds pretty dry, but it was compelling stuff. Highly recommended. Showing a couple of more times during the film festival.
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July 30, 2015 4:11pm
kowtow

i saw a good movie this afternoon

Pity we can’t all be Wellington based public servants.
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July 30, 2015 4:41pm
mikenmild

Not everyone is that talented, kowtow.
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July 30, 2015 4:43pm
Manolo

A leopard never change its spots: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/07/29/author-on-bill-clinton-he-has-a-blonde-busty-mistress/

“He has a blonde, busty mistress, and she’s been code named Energizer by agents. This is unofficially, but that is what they call her…She comes in to the Chappaqua [NY] home whenever Hillary leaves.

The details coordinate to make sure they don’t cross paths. She, unlike Hillary, is very nice to the agents. She’ll bring cookies.”
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July 30, 2015 4:44pm
big bruv

RIP Sir John Todd. One of the good guys.
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July 30, 2015 5:43pm
SPC

Thanks to Fletch and Shawn for letting us know what the moral majority crowd are up to stateside.

1. Campaign against being required to provide contraception with health cover
2. Campaign against government funding of contraception
3. Claim that when life begins (conception) is the point at which there is a living being
4. Rand Paul campign aganst funding to Planned Parenthood
5. Accusations PP profit off aborted foetus parts – presumably opposition to babies in need being donor recipients
6. Conflation of stem cells with the foetus itself
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July 30, 2015 5:55pm
Reid

DUE AUTHORITY: Take off the Union Jack we remove the protection of monarch constitutional system and the bill of rights and open our selves wide to the slavery of the TPPA.

Interesting possibility wiki.

I’ll have a look at it. Thanks for the heads up.

What’s the bet the 8 and counting people who downticked had no idea what you were telling them. Too many big words in your post. Like “the” and “and.”

Russia vetoes bid to set up tribunal for downed flight MH17,

Why do you think she did that, sillyboy?
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July 30, 2015 6:05pm
mikenmild

Changing the flag will not have any constitutional effect at all. It’s a symbol of the nation that does not affect the legal form of government one whit.
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July 30, 2015 6:13pm
Reid

It’s a symbol of the nation that does not affect the legal form of government one whit.

That’s what I too assumed mm, till I read Wiki’s post, but I’m not arrogant enough to assume I already know the answer, before I look into an interesting possibility.

Or have you already looked at it when you completed your doctorate of laws, with a specialty in constitutional law?
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July 30, 2015 6:15pm
mikenmild

Trust me Reid, I know these things.
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July 30, 2015 6:33pm
Reid

Trust me Reid, I know these things.

No.

You think you know these things because you assume if there was a word of truth in it then it would already be common knowledge because someone would have put it up, if it was true, and because they haven’t, therefore it isn’t.

That’s what you think, isn’t it.

And that’s a lot different from knowing, mm.

It’s also putting a whole lot of faith in the sort of bimbos who think the Kardashians are fascinating and who are right now diarying the upcoming Bruce Jenner Caitlyn show because they think it’s going to be compelling viewing.
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July 30, 2015 6:50pm
SPC

Re the UNSC veto use by Russia, individual nations can also refer cases to the International Criminal Court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court
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July 30, 2015 6:53pm
mikenmild

Reid
You and I might well agree on the fundamental vacuousness (vacuity?) of reality television, but I am afraid that you would need to produce some actual evidence (hint: there is none) of the Union Jack’s constitutional significance before anyone would believe you or wikiriwhis business.
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July 30, 2015 7:04pm
SPC

mieknmild, if they believe the symbolism on a flag is a real mark of ownership, like a brand on a slave, maybe they fear the reign of freedom that would result from losing it?

Or maybe they fear that being reigned over by a fern would be a sign of impending death and burial?
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July 30, 2015 7:08pm
RF

We all know that the left are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. Many times the left have been warned that to attack John Key is to prove that they are the party of envy and that this turns off potential voters.

Once again the A grade tosser using the name Mickey Savage proves that he is a very challenged slow learner. He constantly uses the sub standard to post his anti John Key comments. Although he is a classic FW of little intelligence the National Govt needs him to keep posting to ensure another term. Keep up the good work National needs you.

He and angry Andrew make a good pair. Both are without any charisma and when making common sense decisions, completely out of their depth.

I hear that Savage is a solicitor but that must be bullshit as he is too thick.
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July 30, 2015 7:11pm
Reid

before anyone would believe you

I haven’t asserted anything on this yet mm, but no surprise you get all confused and hallucinate things.

I’m well used to you doing that by now.

We all know that the left are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Well mm certainly isn’t RF. Looks like SPC is on the way to his level too. Poor bastards. The Caitlyn special beckons.
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July 30, 2015 7:12pm
mikenmild

I think you are suffering from psychological projection, Reid. When you fail to understand my points, your lack of insight causes you to think that there is a fault in my arguments. Are you on any medication that might be limiting your cognitive abilities?
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July 30, 2015 7:17pm
starboard

“What to do with this vile animal? Will he come out of jail to kill someone else in a few years?”

Bail him to either a) Kim Workmans house
b) Milkmikes house
c) Scottchris’ house

The leftys can droool over him.
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July 30, 2015 7:20pm
Reid

before anyone would believe you or wikiriwhis business.

This establishes mm you hallucinate I have a position on this matter, whereas you only have to read the above to know I don’t.

It’s your language which is letting you down.

Are you an ESL student?
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July 30, 2015 7:21pm
mikenmild

Reid
Your position was that wikiriwhis business’s comment was an ‘interesting possibility’. No, it isn’t. It’s obvious nonsense that only a credulous fool would entertain. If you put yourself in that category, expect others to laugh.
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July 30, 2015 7:25pm
SPC

Reid, it takes no knowledge of constitutional law to be aware that a change of flag has no connection to “removing the DUE AUTHORITY of the crown”. Taking a foolish claim seriously demonstrates either a lack of cognition or lapse of logic.
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July 30, 2015 7:28pm
Reid

You’re profoundly ignorant of the law mm and SPC, if you hallucinate that. Here’s an example of someone who knows the law exercising his knowledge. Ask yourself why the Judge didn’t simply have him arrested.

And wiki’s comment is along the same lines as the video. It’s an interesting possibility. It may or may not pan out. And if you dismiss it, you’re exactly what I told you you were when this discussion first started. Which I’m now terminating, because you’ve proven yourself an ignorant and arrogant idiot who has no contribution to make on this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjv20sC5CY
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July 30, 2015 7:30pm
SPC

There has not been a freeman who was expert in constitutional law in living memory.

Reid, wise move to terminate discussion, it was going the way of “Bolger not taking up the F16 option”.
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July 30, 2015 7:35pm
mikenmild

Well of course you would subscribe to the freeman-on-the-land woo. That psuedolegal nonsense appeals to dim bulbs.
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July 30, 2015 7:35pm
Reid

Oh I admit I was wrong on Bolger SPC.

But this isn’t about facts, this is about approach. Open mind or closed mind.

Flat earth or round.

Look, it’s a witch, let’s kill her.

etc.
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July 30, 2015 7:40pm
SPC

Reid, even becoming a republic does not remove the due authority of the Crown in law. wikiriwhis business claim “Take off the Union Jack we remove the protection of monarch constitutional system and the bill of rights and open our selves wide to the slavery of the TPPA.” is nonsense.

TPP may have legal implications but that would be the case whatever our flag.
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July 30, 2015 7:51pm
mikenmild

Obvious nonsense.
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July 30, 2015 7:54pm
wiseowl

Hillary in the news for getting a $600 haircut.
Phew.
What the hell do you do to one head of hair to charge that much or a haircut?
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July 30, 2015 8:00pm
Reid

Reid, even becoming a republic does not remove the due authority of the Crown in law.

Yes SPC. I’m skeptical myself. Unlike you however, I don’t pretend I’m an expert in esoteric legal questions and I keep an open mind about the possibility, pending further investigation.

wikiriwhis business claim “Take off the Union Jack we remove the protection of monarch constitutional system and the bill of rights and open our selves wide to the slavery of the TPPA.” is nonsense.

See above.

TPP may have legal implications but that would be the case whatever our flag.

See above, again.

It’s not rocket science, is it.
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July 30, 2015 8:20pm
mikenmild

Hillary in the news for getting a $600 haircut.

Quite cheap, really

http://www.therichest.com/luxury/most-expensive/10-most-expensive-haircuts-in-the-world/10/
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July 30, 2015 8:35pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Miwibloggers?

Thursday, 30 July 2015, 2:07 pm
Press Release: New Zealand First Party
Fletcher Tabuteau
Trade Spokesperson

No Excuses, Bring Unsigned TPPA Home for Scrutiny as Malaysia Will

Malaysia will not finalise and sign the TPPA without thorough scrutiny by its Parliament – but the National Government is denying New Zealanders this opportunity, says New Zealand First.

“New Zealand First is calling on the government to bring an unsigned TTPA home so it can be considered by the public and Parliament just as Malaysia says it will do,” says Spokesperson on Trade Fletcher Tabuteau.

“While the Malaysian Trade Minister said the decision to sign or reject the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement would be a collective Malaysian decision, New Zealand Trade Minister Tim Groser arrogantly said Kiwis with concerns were acting like ‘breathless children’.

“Mr Groser and the government are condemning us to a treaty that appears to have little trade benefit and lots of potentially harmful clauses. Even the heads of New Zealand’s primary industries are in panic mode as the clock ticks without major dents being made for more access into overseas markets.

“Malaysia is wisely looking after its nation’s interests and its people’s welfare.

“It is standing up for itself.

“We must put New Zealand first as the Malaysians are doing.

“As the Malaysian Trade Minister said today, he is taking responsibility to ensure that the country’s constitution, sovereignty and core policies of the nation are safeguarded and upheld.”
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July 31, 2015 3:26am
Manolo

Trying to stop these undesirables: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33713268

The prime minister warned illegal immigrants would be removed, as migrants told the BBC they remained determined to reach the UK. Mr Cameron was speaking after people gathered for a third night at fencing at the Channel Tunnel freight terminal.

Over 3,500 attempts have been made this week to get into the tunnel.
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