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General Debate 2 July 2015

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Shawn Herles

“Do it, or keep silent.”

I don’t take orders from you boy. Get over yourself.
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July 2, 2015 6:45pm
Nostradamus

Griff:

Good evening d4j.

Come out, come out, wherever you are!
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July 2, 2015 6:49pm
Shawn Herles

Nostra, Griff, shame on you both. Invoking bad spirits is a sin! 😉
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July 2, 2015 6:51pm
Dennis Horne

Reid and Shawn Herles. Not the same bloke, are you?

Anyway, you’re as funny as a fight. Literally.

Reid. Why don’t you stop calling him Captain Bananas? It’s against the blog rules apart from anything else.

Shawn. why don’t you stop calling him a Jew-hater or whatever? You’d have a job proving it in court, I suspect. Apart from that, it’s your opinion and he denies it. Give him the benefit of the doubt.
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July 2, 2015 6:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I think I can handle the downticks (do you folks really notice them?), but being sent to the Standard seems very vindictive.

I was sort of hoping for a nice holiday in one of her majesty’s reeducation camps.

(crikey , who downticked this?)
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July 2, 2015 6:52pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn. why don’t you stop calling him a Jew-hater or whatever? You’d have a job proving it in court, I suspect.”

No, I really wouldn’t. It’s the truth, and easily provable.

And no, I am not going to stop standing up against that vile ideology.
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July 2, 2015 6:53pm
Shawn Herles

Anyway, the one human being I do take orders from is calling me to dinner so by for now.
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July 2, 2015 6:56pm
Reid

No, I really wouldn’t. It’s the truth, and easily provable.

You’ve never tried to prove it Captain Bananas. That’s the whole point, you idiot.

And no, I am not going to stop standing up against that vile ideology.

No-one’s asking you to, dummy. It’s about not lying. Most people don’t have an issue with not doing that, you do nothing else.
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July 2, 2015 6:57pm
Awww C-mon

At least you tried Dennis!
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July 2, 2015 7:02pm
SPC

Reid, no one lies all the time, that requires a level of perseverance and breadth of knowledge that no one has.
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July 2, 2015 7:04pm
Reid

Reid. Why don’t you stop calling him Captain Bananas? It’s against the blog rules apart from anything else.

What’s more offensive Dennis? Captain Bananas, which is meaningless and in the eyes of some including me, amusing; or an accusation that I’m an admirer of the one of most execrable regimes of the last century? (If anyone wonders why I didn’t say the most, then which was worst: Stalin, Mao or Hitler, or Pol Pot? Not an easy question, is it. That’s why I didn’t say “the most.”)

But you see if I hadn’t explained that qualifier then the first thing Captain Bananas would have done on returning from dinner would be to excoriate me for not condemning the hated nazis and claiming that thereby I loved them.

See what I’ve been living with?

That’s why I call him Captain Bananas.

My bad.

Disgraceful aren’t I.

Try living with exactly that, for 2 years, and see what sort of name you would have for him.

Reid, no one lies all the time, that requires a level of perseverance and breadth of knowledge that no one has.

SPC, I’ve explained what he does, here: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/07/general_debate_2_july_2015.html/comment-page-1#comment-1546369
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July 2, 2015 7:05pm
Shawn Herles

“ou’ve never tried to prove it Captain Bananas. That’s the whole point,”

Yes, I have, many times. But your own words prove it anyway.

“Jews desecrate their own graves to whip up sympathy.”

“Most Jews are false Satanists”

“Jewish leaders are Satanists.”

“The Star of David is a Satanic symbol.”

These are all your own words Reid, so the only one lying here is you. You hang yourself with your own words.

Every single one of those statements proves my point. Taken together, they are clear. You ARE a Jew hater.

GAME. SET. MATCH.

Now grow up, stop whining, and if you don’t want to be called out for being a Jew hater, then STOP BEING ONE.
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July 2, 2015 7:05pm
Dennis Horne

@ Shawn Herles. Well, I think you’re too tense. Wigwam and teepee. 🙂 🙂 🙂
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July 2, 2015 7:07pm
Reid

Now give me the links to the posts where I’ve said those exact words, liar.

I don’t deny I’ve made allegations like those, but have I used those words, and have I said for example, Jewish leaders are satanic, or satanists. Because those words have two different meanings.

And for the Star of David, I gave heaps of evidence, none of which you ever responded to.

And that’s where debate begins. Not with your white hot rage.

Now grow up, stop whining, and if you don’t want to be called out for being a liar, then STOP BEING ONE.
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July 2, 2015 7:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Perhaps Shawn & Reid could exchange private email addresses, then they could spend all their evenings “debating” together without the constant interruption of the bored witless.
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July 2, 2015 7:19pm
Reid

Yes apologies Maggy, it’s about reputation, for me. See, accusations of being a conservative neo-lib don’t hurt.

Accusations of being a nazi-loving jew hater do.

I’m pretty sure you’d feel the same way if Captain Bananas started doing it to you, or anyone else here.

Nothing I’d like better than to move on, personally.

What do you think about the cyber bullying bill, for example?
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July 2, 2015 7:21pm
Nostradamus

Reid:

You know my views on the ongoing debate between you and Shawn. From my perspective, the debate has moved way beyond intense to the point where it’s become deeply personal, and I prefer to stay out of it.

However, from a quick google search, I found this comment (in relation to Shawn’s claim that you’ve said “The Star of David is a Satanic symbol”):

Reid (18,270 comments) says:
May 16th, 2015 at 5:46 pm

The article you posted was about Jews in general, and did not have a picture of a bank on the monster, but the Star of David.

Like most neocons except the really senior ones, Shawn is so monstrously ignorant the fool doesn’t even know the origins of the hexagon that is the so-called ‘star of David.’ (David had nothing to do with it BTW, it’s a typical deception conjured up to fool idiots into hallucinating it has some wholesome connotation when in reality, it’s satan all the way, baby. But don’t expect Shawn & co to pick that up.)

[The rest of your comment provides further references]

Now, I have no particular interest in the subject-matter of your debate with Shawn, but I suspect he’ll say that (even if you didn’t use those exact words in his earlier comment) they substantially reflect your views. I express no view on that at all, by the way – I haven’t read your comments on this subject-matter all that closely.

Edit: I see you’ve updated your comment while I was writing this – “I don’t deny I’ve made allegations like those, but have I used those words” – so please take that into account when reading this comment.
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July 2, 2015 7:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What do you think about the cyber bullying bill, for example?

Well, I was trying to elicit some info about this bill 50 minutes ago.

Logically, I would expect it to become unworkable…. in reality, I shudder to think…. people seem so sensitive these days…..
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July 2, 2015 7:28pm
Manolo

The mullahs are taking the incompetent Messiah for a ride:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/02/congressional-pressure-building-on-obama-as-iran-talks-drag-out/

The Obama administration’s decision to send Iranian nuclear talks into overtime is triggering a backlash on Capitol Hill, as congressional Republicans warn Tehran is exploiting the situation and moving the goalposts.
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July 2, 2015 7:34pm
nasska

…..”people seem so sensitive these days…..”….

We try not to be Maggy but have you, for instance, seen some of the terrible abuse I take from the Godnutters?

It hurts so deeply. 🙂
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July 2, 2015 7:34pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

the terrible abuse I take from the Godnutters?

Not sure what this means, but I did a google search for “peace and blessings” (looking for a nice religious quote) – and the second hit was a Youtube video entitled “My Push Up Bra Will Help Me Get My Man“.

How does that work?
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July 2, 2015 7:39pm
UglyTruth

Regarding Shawn’s accusations against Reid, Shawn really is a liar.

“He needs a psychiatrist Nostra. No wonder a judge made him get a psych evaluation, after he tried to claim in court that he does not have to hold a drivers license to drive a car.” Link

The psych evaluation came after the judge was called out for comitting fraud – which he admitted to – and before the defended hearing where I brought up the issues related to driver licensing.
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July 2, 2015 7:40pm
rightoverlabour

FFS Read this and weep.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/69901188/tv-shows-learn-from-past-stereotypes
I suppose we will ban Tom Sawyer now. THings happened in the past. We learn from those things, good and bad. Hiding it away or making it taboo does no-one any good.

I think I’m going to go and buy a Confederate flag right now. While we are on about flags, notice which flag still flies on the CapeTown Castle!

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x1dcc5d87fe0646c1:0x2dbb42c8c08d8165!2m5!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i100!3m1!7e1!4shttp://www.gstatic.com/frommers/images/848436.jpg!5sCapetown+Castle+-+Google+Search&sa=X&ei=wOqUVYLJEovq8AXB6qioAQ&ved=0CIIBEKIqMA0
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July 2, 2015 7:44pm
nasska

….”How does that work?”…

You’ve got me beat Nostra. If I was her prospective man my bottom line would be a large lottery win & a paper bag.

She’s beyond the help of a push up bra. 🙂
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July 2, 2015 7:44pm
RF

Viking2. 5.57pm.

Classic. Wet my pants with laughter and spilt my single malt. You bastard …… Too close to home….
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July 2, 2015 7:45pm
Shawn Herles

“Now give me the links to the posts where I’ve said those exact words, liar.

I don’t deny I’ve made allegations like those,”

Those two statements contradict each other. As nostra rightly says, they DO reflect your views.

“and have I said for example, Jewish leaders are satanic, or satanists. Because those words have two different meanings.”

That’s hair splitting. The intent and the effect are the same.

“And for the Star of David, I gave heaps of evidence, none of which you ever responded to.”

You gave NO credible evidence at all. It was whackjob silliness. And I did respond, by posting a Jewish web site explaining it’s meaning. You ran away at that point.

Reid, you are like a person saying “most black people are lazy criminals, but I don’t hate black people.”

Your excuses for your bigotry are just not credible.

Anyway, because this debate is upsetting other people, people who I actually respect, I’m done with you, permanently. You can peddle your neo-Nazi crap, and I’ll leave it to others to expose for what it is.

And frankly, anyone who can make statements like this: “”Now give me the links to the posts where I’ve said those exact words, liar. I don’t deny I’ve made allegations like those,” is either so dishonest or so stupid, that you are just not worth my time.

By now.
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July 2, 2015 7:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Nasska

It hurts so deeply.

Its meant to hurt…. something about being good for your soul….., or forgiveness…. or something that I seem to have to wiped from my memory
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July 2, 2015 7:47pm
Manolo

Hurry up, tell stephieDevoy to add his complaint: http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/1/8880363/google-apologizes-photos-app-tags-two-black-people-gorillas

Google came under fire this week after its new Photos app categorised photos in one of the most racist ways possible. On June 28th, computer programmer Jacky Alciné found that the feature kept tagging pictures of him and his girlfriend as “gorillas.” He tweeted at Google asking what kind of sample images the company had used that would allow such a terrible mistake to happen.
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July 2, 2015 7:48pm
Reid

Nosty, of course I appreciate what you’re saying. The issue is, Captain Bananas has never, not once, ever, addressed any of the evidence behind any of the allegations I’ve made.

I don’t make these allegations for fun.

Don’t you think I fully appreciate how they will be received not just by Captain Bananas but by the average punter here?

So why would I expose myself to that?

Because I have done so much research I know them to be a fact.

Example. The great Solzhenitsyn, was a Western hero wasn’t he. Up till the 1970’s. Then he somehow disappeared off the Western media scene. Didn’t he. Why was that? He wrote a two volume series called 200 Years Together about the Jews in Russia. And he identified the Jews as being the bolsheviks, which they were. The ones responsible for all the murders back in the revolution. This is one of the greatest Russian scholars saying that. When Captain Bananas heard this, his response was that the entire Russian nation had turned anti-semitic. Duh.

The German magazine Der Spiegel asked the great writer:
Your recent two-volume work 200 Years Together was an attempt to overcome a taboo
against discussing the common history of Russians and Jews. These two volumes have provoked
mainly perplexity in the West.You say the Jews are the leading force of global capital
and they are among the foremost destroyers of the bourgeoisie. Are we to conclude
from your rich array of sources that the Jews carry more responsibility than others for the
failed Soviet experiment?

Solzhenitsyn replied:
I avoid exactly that which your question implies: I do not call for any sort of scorekeeping
or comparisons between the moral responsibility of one people or another; moreover,
I completely exclude the notion of responsibility of one nation toward another. All I am
calling for is self-reflection.

You can get the answer to your question from the book itself: Every people must answer
morally for all of its past—including that past which is shameful. Answer by what means?
By attempting to comprehend: How could such a thing have been allowed? Where in all
this is did we go wrong? And could it happen again?

It is in that spirit, specifically, that it would behoove the Jewish people to answer, both
for the revolutionary cutthroats and the ranks willing to serve them. Not to answer before
other peoples, but to oneself, to one’s conscience, and before God. Just as we Russians
must answer—for the pogroms, for those merciless arsonist peasants, for those crazed
revolutionary soldiers, for those savage sailors.

Now. Isn’t that a question worthy of discussion?

I think so.

That’s why I say what I say.

It’s completely unemotional. Captain Bananas hallucinates I hate Jews, but that’s because Captain Bananas is an emotional basket case and such people can’t conceive others aren’t like them. This is academic, plain and simple. If this is what it is, it is what it is. Period. Case closed. There we are. Who cares if it’s critical of a certain group or other. The only question is: did it happen like this, yes, or no?

That’s how I always think Nosty, not sure how you do, but I refuse to temper my thinking lest it be hurtful to one group or another, on the grounds of, mustn’t talk about it, even if it’s true.

Following that line is IMO not thinking, that’s mindless slavery.
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July 2, 2015 7:48pm
nasska

So you reckon that they’re being cruel to be kind Maggy? 🙂
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July 2, 2015 7:49pm
UglyTruth

Those two statements contradict each other.

No, they don’t. Things that are like each other are not necessarily the same.

That’s hair splitting. The intent and the effect are the same.

Why should we take your word on what the intent of Reid’s language was?

Reid, you are like a person saying “most black people are lazy criminals, but I don’t hate black people.”

It does not follow that that someone is lazy or a criminal that they are hated.

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jeremiah 3:8
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July 2, 2015 7:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska

No, like you, I cannot fathom the mind of most god-botherers…. but I’ve read a few religious tracts in my time and dimly recall some excuses for why folks suffer….. but specifically, if you were to point out that someone of a religious persuasion was being less than exemplary in their behaviour, they cover their butts by telling us that they are weak sinners.
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July 2, 2015 8:00pm
Reid

Notice everyone, how Captain Bananas has now had plenty of time to google and come up with even one post where I’ve said exactly what he alleges I’ve said, in quotes.

Yet, he hasn’t. Not a single substantiation. At all.

Shawn hurls very severe and vicious accusations against bloggers he hates, based not on the precise words they have just used but on his very specific and precise interpretation of them.

Then he proceeds to paste them again and again and again over the future weeks and months, each time citing them not as his interpretation of someone else’s words, but as words that this person actually said. It’s called smearing. Christians don’t do it, ever, for it breaks the 9th commandment.
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July 2, 2015 8:01pm
Nostradamus

Shawn:

Anyway, because this debate is upsetting other people, people who I actually respect, I’m done with you, permanently.

I really think that’s the best outcome – an “agree-to-disagree” kind of truce between you and Reid. That leaves two other unresolved matters: the Big Bruv-D4J lover’s tiff and the “Who killed the Bains” debate.

Just one minor correction from your comment:

Those two statements contradict each other. As nostra rightly says, they DO reflect your views.

My exact words were: “I suspect [Shawn will] say that (even if you didn’t use those exact words in his earlier comment) they substantially reflect your views. I express no view on that at all, by the way – I haven’t read your comments on this subject-matter all that closely”. So, just to be clear, I was speculating on what your view might be.
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July 2, 2015 8:02pm
Shawn Herles

“No, like you, I cannot fathom the mind of most god-botherers….”

Except yourself of course.

Heh, sorry, couldn’t resist. 😉

Just like old times…

Hey, I know, lets have an atheist vs religion debate! 🙂

*ducks for cover*
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July 2, 2015 8:03pm
Viking2

Harry and his wife are having hard financial times, so they decide that she’ll become a hooker.
She’s not quite sure what to do, so Harry says, “Stand in front of that bar and pick up a guy. Tell him that you charge a hundred bucks.
If you got a question, I’ll be parked around the corner.” She’s standing there for 5 minutes when a guy pulls up and asks, “How much?” She says, “A hundred dollars.”
He says, “All I got is thirty”. She says, “Hold on,” and runs back to Harry and asks, “What can he get for thirty?” “A hand job”, Harry replies.
She runs back and tells the guy all he gets for thirty dollars is a hand job. He agrees.
She gets in the car. He unzips his pants, and she sees he’s HUGE… She stares at it for a minute, and then says, “I’ll be right back.”
She runs back to Harry, and asks,
“Can you loan this guy seventy bucks?”
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July 2, 2015 8:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey, I know, lets have an atheist vs religion debate!

If I was the slightest bit interested in religion I would go off and read religious blogs…..
As I have no interest in the spiritual realm, I will resolve to scroll past any such postings tonight.
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July 2, 2015 8:11pm
Viking2

A taxi passenger tapped the driver on the shoulder to ask him a question.
The driver screamed, lost control of the car, nearly hit a bus, went up on the footpath, and stopped centimeters from a shop window.
For a second everything went quiet in the cab, then the driver said, “Look mate, don’t ever do that again. You scared the daylights out of me!”
The passenger apologized and said, “I didn’t realize that a little tap would scare you so much.”
The driver replied, “Sorry, it’s not really your fault. Today is my first day as a cab driver –
I’ve been driving a funeral van for the last 25 years.”
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July 2, 2015 8:12pm
Shawn Herles

Out of curiosity, has anyone with Windows 7 or 8 signed up for the free Win 10 download later this month?
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July 2, 2015 8:12pm
Griff

There is no debate Shawn .
Atheists are right there is probably no God .
You are an atheist about all gods except one.
Just one more small step and you will get it.
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July 2, 2015 8:14pm
thedavincimode

Oh dear. Minus is on the prowl tonight. Pulling no gut wrenching bowel loosening punches tonight that’s for sure.

Somebody has taken the trouble to sign in and ping the most innocuous and inoffensive posts imaginable (let alone under the influence of the full moon). It’s almost as if a herd of hippos wandered into a Riccarton shoe store today to update the wardrobe.
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July 2, 2015 8:16pm
Shawn Herles

Who the hell is this minus guy? And is he any relation to Bob?
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July 2, 2015 8:17pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dr46l4odxhtae5d/Godnutters%2022.jpg?dl=0
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July 2, 2015 8:18pm
Shawn Herles

I was joking Griff. I have no intentions of debating the issue tonight.

Anyway, your wrong! 😉
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July 2, 2015 8:18pm
thedavincimode

Maggy’s 8.11 appears to have survived. This can’t last.
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July 2, 2015 8:20pm
thedavincimode

Hilarious. What a loser 😆
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July 2, 2015 8:21pm
thedavincimode

Heh. Sorry Maggy. I dobbed you in. 🙂
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July 2, 2015 8:23pm
Griff

D4j has been caught doing it in the past .
Poor old sot even redtwit thinks he has “issues”.
.
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July 2, 2015 8:24pm
Reid

I’ve read a few religious tracts in my time and dimly recall some excuses for why folks suffer

Puzzled me for a long time.

Until I understood the nature of sin. See evil is just another word for sin. And sin is everything from really wicked to minor infractions.

And because God is perfect and will not tolerate even a jot of sin (a jot being the dot on top of an i), well, if we didn’t have sin, then we would all be automatons in the world, because we would not be able to do the wrong thing, ever. From the second we emerged from the womb to the second we died, our life would consist of doing everything perfect, down to the thoughts we had. We would never have a less than perfect thought and we would never have a less than perfect action. We would perform to 100% of our capabilities 100% of the time, we would never fail, we would never have an accident, we would never do anything foolish, and if we were wrong, it would be because the perfect universe required us to be in order that we learn whatever it was we needed to in order never to make that mistake again.

And everyone in the world would be like that. 24/7/365 for millenia after millenia. But we wouldn’t be doing it, the universe would be. Because it had no choice, therefore we had no choice.

And think about it.

Is that freedom or is that slavery. We have no free will.

I have no time for Billy Graham because he was a Satanist, but that doesn’t mean he never said anything worthwhile. And one thing he said was: the reason we have temptation to sin is because it builds spiritual muscle.

And it does, doesn’t it. That’s exactly what it does.

Imagine how good you’d be if the first thing you did in the morning was whatever the fuck you wanted. Life is about sacrifice isn’t it. For others firstly, and for ourselves. And we willingly do that, don’t we, in our own ways. And there wouldn’t be any opportunity to sacrifice would there, if there was no evil.

One thing most people alive today don’t get.

We are not material beings with a spiritual element to our makeup.

We are spiritual beings living a temporary material existence.

Our bodies are nothing more than our Earth Suits which we use to interact with this world.

And the reason we’re here, is because we are in school.

Our whole life is designed for one thing.

To teach us to love.

Others first, then ourselves.

The extent to which we learn that lesson is the extent to which we graduate.

And all of us, don’t we, have a great deal to learn.

But that’s why evil exists.
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July 2, 2015 8:24pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i761fcx4sejhmjx/Wankstain%206%209%2014.jpg?dl=0
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July 2, 2015 8:24pm
Dennis Horne

Windows 10. Wonderful. Fantastic. Best operating system yet. Thoroughly recommend it. Best thing since DOS.
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July 2, 2015 8:26pm
Shunda barunda

There is no debate Shawn .
Atheists are right there is no probably no God .
You are an atheist about all gods except one.
Just one more small step and you will get it.

Ironically the best evidence against atheism being closer to the truth is atheism itself.

As the movement gained traction the adherents developed their own embarrassing fundamentalism and bull headed bigotry that sent many other atheist intellectuals into damage control.

It didn’t work.

That’s the problem with rabble rousing, the rabble end up taking control and running a muck.
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July 2, 2015 8:27pm
SPC

“And he identified the Jews as being the bolsheviks, which they were”

No he never said that. And no they were not.
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July 2, 2015 8:27pm
Nostradamus

Ok – I’ll bravely step forward.

Minus: give me your best shot.

I suspect that, like Len Brown, once you’ve shot your load in less than 120 seconds, you’ll be left holding nothing more than a wrinkly penis in your left hand.
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July 2, 2015 8:27pm
thedavincimode

Seriously, what a fucking loser 😆 Downticking even faster than anyone can post 😆

Zapristi!! Minus must be … psychic … or is that psychotic … ? 😆
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July 2, 2015 8:28pm
thedavincimode

Goddamn … that’s quick!! 😆
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July 2, 2015 8:31pm
Griff

The really funny thing is you all believe something different.
Your own personal concept of god.
Odds of that being correct are pushing 4.5 billion to one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU
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July 2, 2015 8:32pm
UglyTruth

As I have no interest in the spiritual realm, I will resolve to scroll past any such postings tonight.

You’re missing out, Maggy. Not on the religious debates, but because of the relevance of the spiritual realm to politics when the church exists in union with the state.
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July 2, 2015 8:35pm
Reid

No he never said that. And no they were not.

Sigh.

e.g. Vol II: “The Jews in the Soviet Union”

Now Jews are standing on every corner and on every
step in the hierarchy of power. The Russian sees him on
top of the czars’city of Moscow (Lev B. Kamenev) and at
the top of the metropolis on the Neva [St. Petersburg]
(Grigory Yevseyevich Zinoviev) and as head of the Red
Army (Leon Trotsky), the perfect mechanisms for our selfdestruction.
He must watch as the riverbank dedicated to
Saint Vladimir now bears the famous name of Nachimson!

Next time SPC try and at least intimate you’ve read the damn thing before alleging a fantasy, there’s a good boy.
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July 2, 2015 8:36pm
Shunda barunda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1icEssOUM
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July 2, 2015 8:39pm
SPC

Reid, your post does not back up what you claimed earlier, a bit of a hypocrite coz you complain when others do it?

And how are Jews Bolsheviks and Bolsheviks Jews? Most Jews in Russia were not Bolsheviks and most Bolsheviks were not Jews.

Jews were over-represented amongst Bolsheviks but so were many other minority peoples oppressed under Tsarist Russia.

Last time you posted this crap I demonstrated that neither Lenin or Stalin were Jews, or have you forgotten?
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July 2, 2015 8:45pm
Shawn Herles

Not biting Griff.
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July 2, 2015 8:45pm
Shawn Herles

I think minus IS Bob. That would explain a lot.
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July 2, 2015 8:46pm
Reid

Last time you posted this crap I demonstrated that neither Lenin or Stalin were Jews, or have you forgotten?

Yes I have and I also think they were. Shall we have a fight about it with our respective evidence. Can I suggest we do that Saturday during the day, as I can’t be arsed doing anything like that now. Or name any time you like, over the coming weekend, and I shall be there, with evidence, to trounce you into the mud, bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So there.

The really funny thing is you all believe something different.

How do you know what I believe Griff?
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July 2, 2015 8:47pm
Shawn Herles

“Next time SPC try and at least intimate you’ve read the damn thing before alleging a fantasy, there’s a good boy.”

“Can I suggest we do that Saturday during the day, as I can’t be arsed doing anything like that now. Or name any time you like, over the coming weekend, and I shall be there, with evidence, to trounce you into the mud, bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So there.”

And you wonder why people are hard on you, or are not particularly concerned with being nice and civil to you.

You really are a nasty little creep Reid.

“Christian” my arse.
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July 2, 2015 8:50pm
Reid

And you wonder why people are hard on you

No I don’t wonder that at all, Captain Bananas.

I thought you were “over me” and would never ever address me ever again, about an hour or so ago?

And you wonder why I call you Captain Bananas.
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July 2, 2015 8:53pm
SPC

Reid your post January 5.43 January 3rd.

“FC that was the exact same question stupidboy asked, and I won’t be answering it because I explained what the point of that was last night and if you want to know then you should read yesterday’s GD. BTW it wasn’t false. Stalin was a Jew, so was Lenin, and 97%+ of the central committee were also Jews. But I’m not going to discuss that because it wasn’t the point I was making and I don’t care about it. If you do, follow my suggestion below.

As for your other three questions again the same response applies to that which I gave stupidboy. Look it up for yourself. Why do you expect me to explain basic history to you?”

My post

January 4th, 2015 at 2:54 am

Reid, it was Lenin’s grandfather who was Jewish – as he (his grandfather) had a Jewish mother.

People are Jewish if there mother is, or they are Orthodox Jews by religion. So Lenin was not Jewish. He just had a Jewish ancestor.

Stalin’s mother was not Jewish. He was educated as a Christian.

His Georgian surname derives from the Georgian word for steel, thus the Russian surname adopted. He was named Iosif, rather than the Jewish Yosef etc.

He undertook a purge of Jews.

As for 97% of the party being Jewish? Really. When? Not at the time of Stalin’s purge surely?
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July 2, 2015 8:55pm
Shawn Herles

No, I said I was not going to debate the Jewish issue with you.

Calling you out for being nasty and un-Christian in your responses is an entirely different issue.

But hey, keep it up. When you respond to people like that you discredit yourself and your arguments anyway.

Oh, and a week or so ago you said you were literally never talking to me again, so………..

“And you wonder why I call you Captain Bananas.”

I have always known why. You are an immature child who cannot stand toe to toe with anyone in a debate, so you resort to abuse when you can’t defend you claims. Like when you told wat dabney to “fuck off and go to hell” when he destroyed one of your JFK claims.
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July 2, 2015 8:57pm
Reid

I have other evidence SPC and I also note you haven’t provided anything except your own words and we really do need more than that, when you’re ready. As explained, I’ll present mine at a time of your choosing over the weekend. Let me know when. But I’m not looking it up now, for reasons previously explained.

But put yours forward whenever, now is fine, just be ready to give me a link to it on the weekend.
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July 2, 2015 9:00pm
Shawn Herles

“I have other evidence SPC”

Translation: “I am desperately trawling every anti-Jewish and Neo-Nazi site I can to find something.”

Pathetic.
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July 2, 2015 9:02pm
Shawn Herles

Anyway, as fun as it is watching SPC destroy Reid’s mindless bigotry, I have better things to do.

Night all.
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July 2, 2015 9:05pm
SPC

Reid, the person you call stupid buy linked to this on 2 January 2015 on General Debate to refute the claims you made then.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Look at the wikipedia links for Lenin and Stalin also.
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July 2, 2015 9:14pm
Reid

SPC, thanks for that. If wiki is all you have, I feel very confident for this weekend. You might learn something about wiki, as well as the Russian revolution. Isn’t that good.

I now call stupidboy stephieliar, based on his performance earlier this week BTW.

He’s done the exact same thing to about six separate people here now.

Why does DPF tolerate such a convolvulus: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/destructivus_6652.jpg.
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July 2, 2015 9:20pm
mikenmild

Even if Lenin and Stalin were Jewish, which they were not, one would have to say “so what?”.
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July 2, 2015 9:20pm
SPC

from the post 2 January 2015

“Some facts and evidence relating to the alleged Jewish domination of the Bolshevik Party. Historically it began with the forgery of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which originated in Tsarist Russia. It claimed an international Jewish based conspiracy to control the world .Initially achieved through progressive and liberal organisations and parties. This was expanded to include the Bolshevik Party as prime focus for Conspiracy Theorists and anti Semitic organisations

But the facts are they constituted only about 5.2 % of the total membership as at 1922 and once Stalin succeeded power after Lenin ‘s death he moved against the remaining Jewish influence in the party by eventually physically eliminating all prominent and influential Jewish members in the party like Trotsky, Kamenev and Zinoviev .Stalin also moved to purge Jews from the government Bureaucracy in the 1930s.

Certainly Stalin was never Jewish. the Jews suffered serious episodes of pogroms, persecution and discrimination and confined by Tsarist decree under Akexander 111 to the Pale of Settlement. This forced many to emigrate to America during the late 19th Century and early 20th C. Understandably many Russian Jews gravitated to anti Tsarist causes including the Bolsheviks .Yet interesting again they tended to join more moderate left parties such as the Mensheviks of whom the Bolsheviks despised and banned after the 1917 October Revolution .The 1917 October revolution saw another wave of Jews leave Russia mainly intelligentsia, merchants, professionals etc,”

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
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July 2, 2015 9:23pm
SPC

Reid, its undeniable. Stalin had no Jewish ancestry. Lenin just had a Jewish grandfather – and that was because his great grandmother was Jewish. And Jewish women are regarded as having Jewish children.
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July 2, 2015 9:28pm
Reid

SPC, if all you have is wiki, I’m looking forward to the weekend. Name a time. I can’t believe you’re relying on it. Don’t you know it constitutes serious ignorance. It’s like using women’s day to establish some highly esoteric point about nuclear physics. As-in: WTF would they know about it.

But OTY mate.

Don’t forget to name a time. I’ll check back tommorrow.
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July 2, 2015 9:32pm
SPC

And given his grandfather converted to Christianity as an adult he became known as a Jewish apostate.
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July 2, 2015 9:33pm
starboard

After picking up Shawn from school one day, his mother asks him what he did at school. Shawn replies, “I had sex with my teacher.” She gets so mad that when they get home, she orders Shawn to go straight to his room. When the father returns home that evening, the mother angrily tells him the news of what Shawn had done. As the father hears the news, a huge grin spreads across his face. He walks to Shawn’s room and asks him what happened at school, Shawn tells him, “I had sex with my teacher.” The father tells the boy that he is so proud of him, and he is going to reward him with the bike he has been asking for. On the way to the store, the dad asks Shawn if he would like to ride his new bike home. Shawn responds, “No thanks Dad, my butt still hurts.”
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July 2, 2015 9:36pm
minus

I think minus IS Bob. That would explain a lot.

But not everything 🙂
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July 2, 2015 9:38pm
SPC

Reid, just post up some rebuttal on Friday night or Saturday, at any time convenient, and I will check for it later in the evening.
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July 2, 2015 9:40pm
starboard

No sense of humour Shawn…
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July 2, 2015 9:41pm
starboard

awww Shawn..
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July 2, 2015 9:44pm
KevinH

From MSN:

Auckland slips to 17th position on the 2015 Monocle’s list of World’s most liveable cities, down 5 places from the 2014 Survey where Auckland was placed in 12th position.
Tokyo was named 2015 most liveable city, Sydney taking 5th place.
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July 2, 2015 10:17pm
srylands

http://theplan.theaucklandplan.govt.nz/aucklands-response-to-climate-change/

Why does Auckland City Council have “targets” for reducing Auckland greenhouse emissions? Since when is climate change mitigation the business of local government? Seriously they set these “targets” – which are unatainable.
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July 2, 2015 11:50pm
Manolo

Helping a mate: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/soros-helps-pro-clinton-super-pacs-to-20-million-haul-119669.html
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