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Manolo

The sooner the animal is executed, the better: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33688391

A court in Libya has sentenced Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, son of deposed leader Col Muammar Gaddafi, and eight others to death over war crimes linked to the 2011 revolution.
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July 29, 2015 8:01am
Nukuleka

It is highly unfashionable to talk about the devil or Satan but after reading about Bessie Gotingco’s killer Tony Robertson and the appalling sadism inflicted upon her I can’t help but conclude that there is real evil in this world- and obviously here in New Zealand. I am not an advocate of capital punishment but were this poor woman my daughter, sister, wife or mother perhaps I might be having second thoughts.

Evil- pure evil.
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July 29, 2015 8:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Nga mihi o te ata

Here’s some useful words :

waro haroa rua … carbon dioxide

waeine mahana….degrees Celsius

mahana haere o te ao…. global warming

para arai…… greenhouse effect

http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/assets/qualifications-and-standards/qualifications/ncea/NCEA-subject-resources/Science/NZQASci-TechTermsEng-Mao.pdf
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July 29, 2015 8:08am
kowtow

The death of free speech.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/austria-investigates-dutch-politician-remarks-150728044756459.html
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July 29, 2015 8:10am
Paulus Gnome

Hands up those who will not be too bothered when Tony Douglas Robertson is indulged in the ‘dropping’ craze in Mt Eden (or anywhere else for that matter) . . . .
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July 29, 2015 8:10am
stephieboy

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Kia Ora ,

Te reo Maori

I te tirohanga tuatahi, he mahi nui e kitea ai he ōritetanga i waenga i te whānau o ngā Lovell me ngā Jacob – engari rāua rāua e kaingākau ana ki te ako i te reo Māori.
E 34 tahi ngā tau o Jason rāua ko Willow Lovell, i hoki mai rāua i Ahitereiria ki Tāmakamakaurau i te tau 2010. He toto Māori tahi ō rāua, i hiahia tahi rāua ki te ako i te reo o ō rāua tūpuna.
I hoki tuarua mai a Arun Jacob, 47 ngā tau, rāua ko tōna hoa rangatira, a Shalima, e 38 ngā tau, i Īnia ki Kirikiriroa i te tau 2013, noho tonu mai mō ake tonu atu. Nā tā rāua ako i te reo Māori i whai whānau ai rāua i tēnei whenua.
Hei tā Arun Jacob, “Ko tētahi o aku mahi tuatahi he whakauru atu ki te akoranga reo i Te Wānanga o Aotearoa.”
“Ki taku mōhio ko au anahe te Īnia i te papa o Raroera, me te harikoa anō o taku ngākau i te tere a taku kaiako me aku hoa i te akoranga ki te awhi i a au ki te whānau.
18 ngā tau o Matua Lovell i tana hūnukutanga ki Ahitereiria me ana mātua, ka haere ia ki tētahi whare wānanga i reira, ka whai oranga mōna i tētahi pēke.
I puta te ihu o Whaea Lovell i te ao whakawhiti kōrero i Tāmakimakaurau, i mua i tana haerenga ki Poipiripi ki te mahi i te ao hononga tūmatanui. I tūtaki te tokorua nei i konei, ka whai rāua i Poipiripi, ka puta ā rāua tamariki e rua, a Zinzan, e 8 ngā tau, rāua ko Mereana, e 5 ngā tau, i reira (ka whānau mai ko Emi Kōwhai, 17 marama te pakeke).
Ka rongo a Matua Lovell i te kumea ōna e ana pūtake o Ngāpuhi. He rongonui tana koroua me tana kuia, a Hiwi rāua ko Patricia Tauroa; Ko Hiwi Tauroa te Kaikōmihana tuatoru o te Tari Whakawhanaungatanga ā-Iwi.
Hei tā Matua Lovell, “Ko rāua ngā pou o tō mātou whānau. I te mea ko au tā rāua mokopuna pakeke katoa, ka kite au i te oranga nui kei roto i te reo me ngā tikanga Māori.”
I uru atu ia ki tētahi kapahaka, i whai anō i te reo Māori, engari i tērā wā kāore i titi rawa ki tana whatumanawa.
E ai anō ki tāna, “I te mutunga o taku kura, kāore i pērā rawa te pai o taku reo Māori. Ki a au, i pērā i te mea kāore au i tino mōhio he aha au i whai ai i te reo.”
“Nō taku haerenga kē ki tāwāhi ka oho taku ngākau ki ngā taonga nei – te āhua o te whakatipu i a au, te reo Māori, te tikanga Māori – nō Aotearoa taketake ēnei taonga, ka mutu he taonga motuhake.”
“Tērā tētahi kōrero e kī ana ko te hā o te noho Māori, kei te reo Māori, me taku whakaaro iho, nā te noho Māori tonu i rite ai ō tātou uara, ko aua uara rā e kōpania ana ki te reo Māori.”
“Nō reira, mō mātou, koia nei tētahi take i tau ai te whakaaro kia hoki mai mātou ki Aotearoa, he hiahia nōku ki te ako i te reo. Ka noho hira tēnei ki a māua, arā, te whai i te reo me te whakatipu tahi i ā māua tamariki.”
I tautoko a Whaea Lovell i te whakaaro o tana tāne, arā, kia tāpuia tētahi tau kotahi ki te whakapau kaha ki te reo Māori i Te Wānanga Takiura o Ngā Kura Kaupapa Māori o Aotearoa, ahakoa te iti ake o tana mōhio ki te ao Māori. No te ketuketu haere kē a tētahi o ana matua kēkē i ngā kōrero tuku iho o te whānau 10 tau ki mua, ka mōhio ia he tupuna tāne tōna nō Ngāti Manu.
Hei tāna, “Tino kore nei au i mōhio. I tino koa taku ngākau i taku mōhiotanga, me te pōuri anō hoki, i te mea kāore tērā taha o taku whānau i kōrerohia.”
Kei te tautoko anō a Whaea Jacob i te whakatau a tana tāne kia whai i te reo, hāunga ia ngā reo e rima, e ono e mātau ana te tokorua nei. Kua paku ako anō ā rāua tamāhine, a Alisha, 13 ngā tau, me ngā māhanga a Natasha rāua ko Trisha, kua 10 nei ō rāua tau, i te reo. Kua ako anō i ētahi waiata i te kapahaka, i te Kura o Hato Hōhepa i Fairfield.

Hei tāna anō, “He maha ngā āhuatanga o te ao Māori e rite ana ki ō mātou i Īnia, te whanaungatanga me ērā mea.”
“Kua mau i a au ētahi kīanga hei kōrero māku i taku mahi. He Māori taku rangatira, me tana aro mai anō i taku whakaututanga i tētahi kōrero ki te reo Māori. Ā-whānau nei, ka pakari haere ō mātou reo i roto i te wā. ”
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Nā Te Haumihiata Mason i whakamāori mā Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Māori
[Translated into te reo Māori by Te Haumihiata Mason on behalf of Te Taura Whiri i te reo Māori.]
Background note: Te Haumihiata Mason is the translator for the recent te reo Māori adaption of Shakespeare’s Romeo & Juliet and translated Troilus & Cressida that was performed at Shakespeare’s Globe by Rawiri Paratene last year.

Translation here,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/te-reo-maori/news/article.cfm?c_id=336&objectid=11487202

Te Wiki o te Reo Maori

The New Zealand Herald, with Maori Television and the Maori Language Commission, is marking New Zealand’s 40th Maori Language Week with Maori words and phrases for a different theme each day.
Nonaianei (today): Kāinga (home).
Apopo (tomorrow): Haerere (travel).
Raapa (Wednesday): Mahi (work).
Rapare (Thursday): Kura (school).
Ramere (Friday): Hākinakina (sport).
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July 29, 2015 8:14am
Manolo

stephieboy will not be pleased:
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/camille_paglia_how_bill_clinton_is_like_bill_cosby/

The banner on the Drudge Report this morning is that Kathleen Willey is starting a site to collect harassment claims against Bill Clinton. New York magazine, meanwhile, has the stories of 35 women who say they were raped or assaulted by Bill Cosby. I wonder if you see a connection between the two stories: Would Bill Clinton’s exploits be viewed more like Cosby’s if he was in the White House now, instead of in the 1990s?
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July 29, 2015 8:15am
Inandout

Corrections tried their best to keep this wild animal from the public, but we can track the rot back to the judge in 2005. Does this legal person lay straight in bed, does he have a family, is he typical of Labour judges at the time? National have a perfect opportunity now, while public opinion is behind them, to completely do away with home detention; it is a flawed system. TV3 and Henry is trying to get some background information on this piece of shit, but they are being stonewalled. I bet they trot out that Robertson’s privacy is paramount.
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July 29, 2015 8:23am
stephieboy

Manolo, should we not be be surprised and you overjoyed,

Sheriff Joe Arpaio says it’s an HONOR to be compared to KKK,

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2vdm1g
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July 29, 2015 8:25am
Inandout

stephieboy 8.14: Please don’t spray comments like Penny. It just begs for the page down key.
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July 29, 2015 8:25am
Tarquin North

I’ve never been a great fan of the death penalty. But in having people like Tony Robertson around makes me wonder if in extreme cases like this it would be a good idea. Lets face it, spending vast amounts of money housing and trying to rehabilitate this guy is a waste of everyones time and money. A bullet would fix the problem.
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July 29, 2015 8:27am
kowtow

inandout

Yes the judge is guilty . However guilty also are all the hug a crim ,rehabilitation, human rights, progressive,cultural marxists who have been chipping away at the prisons dept and justice system since the ’60s.

You know the ones who are so quick here on kb to condemn the ‘conservonutters” ,the ones who claim that NZ in the ’50’s wasn’t such a great place blah blah blah.

The anti capital punishment mob, the arse holes who equate parental discipline with bashing kids etc .

The “human rights” mobsters. They all share in this .
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July 29, 2015 8:30am
doggone7

A official audit uncovers a bewildering level of incompetence in using taxpayers’ money.

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1507/150528_WhangaruruSpecialAuditReport.pdf
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July 29, 2015 8:31am
wreck1080

I remember the first time he was arrested very clearly .

There was a massive search for the little girl…. a very intuitive local cop was thinking of all the places someone might take an abducted girl and decided to check this remote spot and thankfully he found them at this place.

I really believe that Tony Robertson would have killed the girl had he not been interrupted.

But, this will keep going on until we take a harsher view of such offending… hope the judge can’t sleep at night now.
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July 29, 2015 8:33am
stephieboy

Inand out,

Kia ora. You may wish to participate in this quiz for Maori Language week,

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/quiz/maori-language-week-quiz
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July 29, 2015 8:34am
Odakyu-sen

“Aspiring police constables must speak a second language to join London’s Metropolitan police under a month-long pilot scheme.
From Monday, to be considered for one of the sought-after positions with the capital’s police force, applicants must speak one of 14 languages as well as English.”
Ref: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/20/police-constables-second-language-metropolitan-pilot-scheme

Fascinating that the candidates must already speak the required second language rather than be willing to learn it. (Note that this is only for the London Met Police).

The idea seems good on the surface, but will it result in unintended consequences?

Imagine if candidates for the NZ police force were required to have proficiency in Te Reo or Samoan/Tongan/Mandarin, etc.
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July 29, 2015 8:37am
James Stephenson

Sheriff Joe Arpaio says it’s an HONOR to be compared to KKK,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining
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July 29, 2015 8:37am
stephieboy

James Stephenson, fair enough but what did the Sheriff actually say ?

If you look at this link I think he is his own worse enemy,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178527/Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-denies-honored-comparison-KKK-civil-rights-lawsuit.html
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July 29, 2015 8:41am
unitedtribes

The left are a confusing lot. They are against holocaust deniers but for those who would destroy Israel.
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July 29, 2015 8:41am
waikatogirl

The extended monitoring of Tony Douglas Robertson was to begin in June, Bessie Contingo was killed in May.

How long was the application period? How long did this process take even though Tony Robertson was known to not only be highly dangerous but lethal?

I am assuming the application for the 10 year monitoring couldn’t be lodged until Robertson had been released from prison? Why can’t the damage control be put in place BEFORE he was released from prison?

He and others are lethal to the safety of society, why aren’t there tougher controls over these mungrels!!
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July 29, 2015 8:43am
Lance

@Odakyu-sen

Is Klingon one of them?
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July 29, 2015 8:43am
James Stephenson

I’d hazard that he was taking the fact that he’d upset a group of people (probably bleeding heart liberals) enough that they had no argument other than to chuck that accusation at him, as a compliment.
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July 29, 2015 8:44am
Inandout

kowtow: Will things change under Labour Lite? Things won’t change while the public at large do nothing, because victims of crime invariably have no power or influence, they rarely are wealthy, except in one instance when a member of the Fletcher family was murdered by a home invader at a beach resort in the 90s. I agree that the justice system has been infested by crim huggers, and some would say this is a Left plan to cause society to slowly rot into lawlessness. They have tainted the education and health systems, but justice is their real success story; it is a complete mess.
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July 29, 2015 8:46am
Odakyu-sen

Lance,

Yes, for police in LA County.

unitedtribes,

Odd that the people who are against the death penalty are often for the termination of fetuses and for euthanasia.

I personally support the death penalty for murder, based on the principle that since the convicted party actively applied it to their victim, they too must be in favor of it.
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July 29, 2015 8:58am
Cunningham

Andrew Little:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/70636357/national-anthem-dirge-flag-debate-hears

He says a lot of kiwis prefer singing the Australian national anthem over our own. WTF???? What a strange thing to say.
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July 29, 2015 9:00am
mikenmild

I don’t know that I would prefer to sing ‘Advance Australia Fair’, but it is a snappier anthem than ours. The main problem with ‘God Defend New Zealand’ though is its appeal to an imaginary deity – nonsense in this day and age.
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July 29, 2015 9:07am
kowtow

nonsense in this day and age.

Really ? You better get used to it, it’s the future, only it’s an Islamic future ,thanks to “progressives” such as yourself.
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July 29, 2015 9:13am
Harriet

“…..‘God Defend New Zealand’ though is its appeal to an imaginary deity – nonsense in this day and age…..”

Changing the NZ anthem to Nothing Defend NZ is a really dumb fucken idea Milky . 😎
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July 29, 2015 9:15am
James Stephenson

Yes, milky, but as I noted in the thread on the subject, at least God Defend New Zealand actually mentions the country, which cannot be said for the British Anthem.

We don’t even get to sing the good bit about crushing rebellious Scots.
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July 29, 2015 9:17am
James Stephenson

@Harriet – that would at least dovetail with the last Labour Government’s policy…
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July 29, 2015 9:19am
Kimbo

@ James Stephenson

We don’t even get to sing the good bit about crushing rebellious Scots.

But there’s a saying very old and true:
“If that you will France win,
Then with Scotland first begin.”
For once the eagle England being in prey,
To her unguarded nest the weasel Scot
Comes sneaking and so sucks her princely eggs,
Playing the mouse in absence of the cat,
To ’tame and havoc more than she can eat’.

(Henry V, Act I, Scene 2)

Just saying…
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July 29, 2015 9:21am
Fletch

The newest video (of many more to come) of Planned Parenthood and the profiting off aborted baby parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=634&v=Xw2xi9mhmuo

“I think a per item [fee] works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.”
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July 29, 2015 9:33am
EAD

You may have seen this doing the rounds on social media – laugh out loud funny by Redbaiter:

http://truebluenz.com/2015/07/26/dave-and-john-have-a-telephone-conversation/
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July 29, 2015 9:33am
Jacob

Gareth Morgan’s $20,000 flag design

What the artist says

Each triangle of colour fits into each others space. Symbolic of the transition we currently have underway in Aotearoa. Maori/Colonial/Multicultural. Coexisting around the Maihi. (white space between the colours). The bottom multicultural triangle in our national colour black is symbolic of strength.

What the judges say

A thoughtful, well-executed submission displaying pure graphic form, this design reached the judge’s second-level shortlist, before being a late inclusion in the final selection. The symmetry of the composition conveys a formal sense of place and calm, however, there was a reservation that this tended to an overly cerebral geometric, rather than an emotional force which would engender strong attachment and feelings. In one breath this design is identifiably Aotearoa New Zealand, in another it just holds back from entering new territory expressive of inherent explorative and innovative characteristics of New Zealanders.
– http://designmyflag.nz/morgan-foundation-flag-competition-judging-results/

Utter wankery
A fore-runner of what is to come from Key’s project.
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July 29, 2015 9:35am
Inandout

Jacob: In some societies Gareth would be sectioned for his strange views.
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July 29, 2015 9:41am
Jacob

Inandout
They are not Morgan’s views – that is the problem
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July 29, 2015 9:43am
Viking2

robertson

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/106043-murderers-past-revealed.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11488185 ( I love him with all my heart, His mother) read this mind bending crap

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11488519

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11488340
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July 29, 2015 9:49am
kowtow

Great article by Gwynne Dyer on duplicitous Turkish Sunni Erdogan’s double game .

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11488146
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July 29, 2015 9:49am
Pongo

I see from the Herald that the final negotiations on the TPP are being negotiated in Hawaii and I am just a bit surprised they haven’t managed to get a reference in there to Max Key. Weird stalking newspaper people missed an opportunity there, creeps.
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July 29, 2015 9:49am
Griff

https://youtu.be/ZF9Jrc6vjtY
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July 29, 2015 10:01am
Yvette

Treaty and TPP?

I understand the TPP is accepted, or not, by Cabinet decision alone.
Any resulting law changes have to go before Parliament.
Does the TPP have to comply with the Principles of the Treaty and does that have to be confirmed by a law passed by Parliament?
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July 29, 2015 10:12am
virtualmark

Nukuleka,

re your comments on evil … I recommend a read of David Yallop’s book “Deliver us from evil”, which was about the hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper. At the end of the book, looking back after the trials and sentencing, he makes some comments about how some people are simply evil and there is no hope of they can be rehabilitated. It’s a very thoughtful and pragmatic piece of writing, not sensationalist or emotional. Thoroughly recommend it.

The rest of the book is a good read too. Distressingly it’s a story of Police bungling. Yallop records how he told the Police the profile of the killer at least a few years before the arrest. In the end his profile was exactly correct and if Police had listened they’d have caught the murderer before the last 3 murders were committed.
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July 29, 2015 10:20am
waikatogirl

Judge Patrick Keane wouldn’t give Tony Robertson Preventative Detention because he deemed him to be too young to be written off.

Why couldn’t a judge with the likes of Tony Robertson in front of him give him Preventitive Detention, with the Incentive for the criminal to prove he is worth a shorter sentence. Robertson would still be behind bars as he had no inclination to change.

The justice system needs to have the safety of society as its paramount requirement instead of the criminal friendly process we have now.
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July 29, 2015 10:20am
Ross12

A first glance I thought this was a photo digitally “enhanced” for a cartoon.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/70617383/nzta-abandons-cycle-safe-trial-after-a-day
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July 29, 2015 12:04pm
kowtow

Too funny, European gummints “rescue” illegal immigrants on the Med, drop them off to Italy and then plan to repatriate them from Calais. Sounds like a sketch from Monty pythons’.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11769123/Calais-crisis-New-deal-to-send-migrants-home-to-Africa.html
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July 29, 2015 12:23pm
kowtow

Another victory to the intrinsically violent islam.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/yes_we_are_all_charlie_now_but_not_in_the_way_id_hoped/

No doubt though hebdo will continue to be extremely offensive to catholics. That’s a safe option when it comes to establishing your principles of free speech. That’s why I am happy to say I am NOT Charlie.
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July 29, 2015 12:42pm
waikatogirl

The extended monitoring of Tony Douglas Robertson was to begin in June, Bessie Contingo was killed in May.

How long was the application period? How long did this process take even though Tony Robertson was known to not only be highly dangerous but lethal?

I am assuming the application for the 10 year monitoring couldn’t be lodged until Robertson had been released from prison? Why can’t the damage control be put in place BEFORE he was released from prison?

He and others are lethal to the safety of society, why aren’t there tougher controls over these mungrels!!
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July 29, 2015 1:11pm
publicwatchdog

So NZ Prime Minister John Key puts the interests of the U$A BIG PHARMA ahead of NZ Pharmac?

No surprises there …..

Just helping to confirm in whose interests John Key is working?

Not US – but the U$?

Penny Bright
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July 29, 2015 1:31pm
publicwatchdog

How many DECENT National Party members / supporters have contacted (phoned / emailed) the National Party and told them in no uncertain terms:

If the National Government does not ‘WALK AWAY’ from the TPPA – I/we will WALK AWAY FROM NATIONAL!

(As happened in the recent Northland by-election).

Penny Bright
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July 29, 2015 1:33pm
publicwatchdog

Ok folks! Wednesday 29 July 2015

Should be interesting in the House today!

Will be back outside Auckland Uni from 3.30 – 5.30pm – letting our banners / placards ‘do the talking’ – exposing the ‘INTERNational’ Party and the $ELLOUT John Key!

WHEN: Wednesday 29 July 2015
TIME: 3.30pm – 5.30pm
WHERE: Symonds St / Grafton ROAD (not Grafton Bridge) intersection.

(Opposite Auckland Uni – close to Princes St – Auckland Uni Library)

There are THOUSANDS of people (mainly students) who can see our message!

Who wants to come along?

It’s FUN!

Dress warmly and bring a brolly 😉

HELP KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!

WALK AWAY FROM THE TPPA!

Penny Bright
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July 29, 2015 1:35pm
Nostradamus

Narcissistic personality disorder

Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR, include:[1]

1.Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).
2.Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3.Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4.Requires excessive admiration.
5.Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.
6.Is inter-personally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
7.Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8.Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9.Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
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July 29, 2015 1:37pm
ciaron

So Penny,

Are you saying that John Key is corrupt, or merely voicing a blinkered opinion formed from spurious interpretation of normal events?

Meant in a caring way, of course…
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July 29, 2015 1:42pm
SPC

Apparently Craig Collins is announcing a political come back this afternoon – John Key willing.
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July 29, 2015 2:01pm
Kabull

I don’t know whether it is deliberate or accidental, but it seems to me that a lot of commentators are overlooking the process that exists for ratifying international treaties. This process in its current form has been in place for many years and I have seen nothing that suggests it will not be followed for the TPPA. See here: http://mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/03-Treaty-making-process/index.php

The key aspects are that –

“… certain international treaties (essentially multilateral treaties and major bilateral treaties of particular significance) will be presented to the House of Representatives for select committee consideration, before the Executive takes binding treaty action.”

” The parliamentary treaty examination process, introduced in 1997 and made permanent in 2000, requires all multilateral treaties and major bilateral treaties of particular significance to be presented to the House before binding treaty action is taken.”

“Once a treaty has been presented, it stands referred to the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee of the House. This committee may inquire into the treaty, or may refer the treaty to another more appropriate committee.”

” Legislation necessary to implement a treaty in New Zealand’s domestic law (if any) should not be introduced into the House until the treaty has been presented to the House and the time for reporting back has expired. The Government will not take binding treaty action until the treaty is implemented in New Zealand’s domestic law. ”

I am at a loss to see how there is so much hysteria around the perception that this is a ‘secret’ deal that is being rail-roaded through against the wishes of the people. If the treaty is as bad as its opponents claim, then there surely will be an opportunity for those who oppose it to gather sufficient support to defeat the ratification process in the House.
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July 29, 2015 2:11pm
SPC

Care to comment on this Kabull?

http://itsourfuture.org.nz/explanation-of-nzs-treaty-making-process/
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July 29, 2015 2:19pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/70649271/taxi-driver-jailed-eight-years-for-sex-attack

Deport the shitbag back to muslimville..why should I have to pay for his upkeep..
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July 29, 2015 2:27pm
Kabull

SPC – fair cop. I hadn’t seen that.
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July 29, 2015 2:30pm
AgentBallSack

Maybe Slater can have a whip around his diminished readership and pay off Colin Craig.
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July 29, 2015 2:35pm
Shawn Herles

Support For Euthanasia Decreases As Harms Revealed.

“Family First NZ says that latest Research NZ poll on euthanasia reveals a welcome decrease in support for euthanasia from its previous poll, and believes that support for a law change will continue to fall as the experiences of overseas jurisdictions highlight the harms and abuse of such law changes.

“What this poll does highlight is that when we as a country have a robust honest debate about euthanasia, families soon realise that safeguards can only go so far, that coercion is subtle, and that patients will ask themselves why they are not availing themselves of it. The potential for abuse and flouting of procedural safeguards is a strong argument against legalisation,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ.

“Overseas experience proves that the risk of abuse cannot be eliminated.”

http://bobmccoskrie.com/?p=14500
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July 29, 2015 2:53pm
starboard

What? Down tick me because I suggest sending a rapist back from where he came from? Whats wrong with you ? Show yourself !!
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July 29, 2015 2:54pm
Shawn Herles

Rand Paul says the GOP can defund Planned Parenthood before the recess.

“As Congress races toward its long summer recess, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is confident that he’ll get a vote to bar any taxpayer funds going to Planned Parenthood.

“There’s a nationwide movement that we’ve been leading,” Paul said in an interview, after participating in a town hall with military veterans. “We will probably send a million emails out on this subject. I think by motivating the grassroots, there’s a very good chance we’ll get a vote on this.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/27/rand-paul-says-the-gop-can-defund-planned-parenthood-before-the-recess/
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July 29, 2015 3:03pm
AgentBallSack

starboard the serial downtickers never do. Take solace in the fact you pissed someone off enough to waste .03 calories 🙂
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July 29, 2015 3:04pm
Shawn Herles

“What? Down tick me because I suggest sending a rapist back from where he came from?”

Ignore the ticks, up or down, if it’s just 2 or 3. They are a bit of amusement, and sometimes useful, but they are dependent on who happens to be on at a given time, and so a few up or down says nothing at all. At another time you would have got upticks instead.
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July 29, 2015 3:05pm
AgentBallSack

AT least Penny Bright knows who downticks her. Everyone! I think you can actually get notifications sent to your email address but that would be a fucking nightmare if you said something popular.
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July 29, 2015 3:06pm
AgentBallSack

It’s 3pm so that means public servants are reading the blog.
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July 29, 2015 3:08pm
Griff

Way to go Shawnie defund planed parent hood.
Go for abstinence only sex ed.
Then moan about all the solo mums you create.
Conservatives fucked in the helmet since Moses made the tablets.
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July 29, 2015 3:13pm
Shawn Herles

Why is religious freedom at risk?

“In recent political memory, religious liberty was a value that brought together conservatives, libertarians, and progressives. As recently as 1993, the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act was passed by a nearly unanimous Congress and signed by a Democratic president. Today, the same value is a political liability. Bakers, photographers, and florists are being ruined, adoption agencies shuttered, schools threatened with loss of accreditation and nonprofit status. So what happened? Why is religious liberty now losing so much ground?

First, government has changed. The progressive movement gave us the administrative state. Limited government and the rule of law were replaced by the nearly unlimited reach of technocrats in governmental agencies. As government assumes responsibility for more areas of life, the likelihood of its infringing on religious liberty increases. Why should government be telling bakers and florists which weddings to serve in the first place? Why should it tell charities and religious schools how to operate and which values to teach? Only a swollen sense of unaccountable government authority can explain these changes.

Second, sexual values have changed. At the time of the American Revolution, religion and liberty were so closely linked that Thomas Jefferson could affirm, “The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.” Meanwhile, his French contemporary Denis Diderot, expressing sentiments that would culminate in a very different revolution, declared that man “will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” In our own time, however, the sexual revolution has shattered the American synthesis of faith and freedom, setting religion at odds with “liberty”—or more accurately, license. Now bakers, florists, adoption agencies, and schools that uphold what Americans have always believed about marriage find themselves at odds with the law.

Third, religious liberty has changed. Our Constitution protects the natural right to the free exercise of religion. But some liberals are trying to drastically narrow that right by redefining it as the mere “freedom of worship.” If they succeed, the robust religious freedom that made American civil society the envy of the world will be reduced to Sunday-morning piety confined within the four walls of a chapel. They have even gone so far as to rewrite the U.S. immigration exam to say that the First Amendment protects “freedom of worship” rather than the “free exercise of religion.”True religious liberty entails the freedom to live consistently with one’s beliefs seven days a week—in the chapel, in the marketplace, and in the public square.

These three changes represent a rejection of the American Founding. Progressive politics and a radical view of human sexuality are combining to coerce compliance at the expense of a bedrock human right. And of course much of this has been enabled by judicial activism, as in Obergefell.”

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/07/why-is-religious-freedom-at-risk-3-historical-developments-explain-it
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July 29, 2015 3:14pm
Shawn Herles

Some non-political news.

“Florida family unearths gold coins worth over $1M from 1715 shipwreck”

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/07/28/florida-family-unearths-gold-coins-worth-1m-from-1715-shipwreck/
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July 29, 2015 3:18pm
starboard

It will be either a) milk ‘im so lefty in hurts’ mike or b) scott ‘ I like sausage ‘ chris , couple of bandits if I ever saw them.
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July 29, 2015 3:22pm
Shawn Herles

Contrary to Liberal reality-denial, all the available evidence proves that children don’t need two parents, they need a Mum and a Dad.

“A study published by the left-leaning research institution Child Trends concluded:

[I]t is not simply the presence of two parents . . . but the presence of two biological parents that seems to support children’s development [emphasis in original]. . . .

. . . [R]esearch clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a low-conflict marriage. Children in single-parent families, children born to unmarried mothers, and children in stepfamilies or cohabiting relationships face higher risks of poor outcomes. . . . There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents.”

http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/27/kids-dont-need-two-parents-they-need-a-mom-and-dad/
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July 29, 2015 3:41pm
Shawn Herles

I see Kea got himself banned, with no help from me, for yet another fact-free, rage induced anti-Jewish meltdown worthy of Heinrich Himmler.

6 month this time! Oh dear, how sad, never mind. 🙂
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July 29, 2015 4:01pm
Jack5

The poor little five-year-old autistic boy who was beaten to death in Christchurch – Leon Michael leFleming Jayet-Cole -didn’t get respect even after his short life.

It now seems donations to the crowdfunding appeal to “pay for his funeral” are being returned because ACC had paid for his funeral.

If this isn’t some simple misuderstanding, it’s appalling. How could people have so little respect for the boy, to run a dubious appeal in his name.

In the picture Leon looked a happy little guy, but in the picture in the Hooerald there’s also a sadness in his eyes contrasting with the smile.

IMHO there should be capital punishment, and especially for anyone who murders a kid.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11488741
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July 29, 2015 4:05pm
Manolo

The Chinese communists feel threatened: http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-pushes-to-rewrite-rules-of-global-internet-1438112980
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July 29, 2015 4:07pm
Shawn Herles

Hannibal fans do not want to miss the latest episode, ‘The Great Red Dragon.’

Richard Armitage, seen recently in The Hobbit movies as the leader of the dwarves, is outstandingly creepy and compelling as Francis Dolarhyde.
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July 29, 2015 4:09pm
Manolo

Kea the Jew-hater is gone,
so much vitriol, huff and puff,
but nothing more than a mere bluff,
now his sorry dash is done.
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July 29, 2015 4:09pm
RRM

I must say I’m loving the Kiwiblog adverts at the moment!

I wonder if my new 2015 Ford Mustang would help me find love in 9000+ Russian women?

I mean, up until now I’ve been doing alright even without a flash car! 🙂
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July 29, 2015 4:18pm
stigie

“It will be either a) milk ‘im so lefty in hurts’ mike or b) scott ‘ I like sausage ‘ chris , couple of bandits if I ever saw them”.

Talking so early in the evening about bum sex Starboard ?
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July 29, 2015 4:44pm
stephieboy

kowtow (10,586 comments) says:
July 29th, 2015 at 9:49 am

Great article by Gwynne Dyer on duplicitous Turkish Sunni Erdogan’s double game .

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11488146

Good one Kowtow and highlights the nuanced complexity of the Middle East that could do with out the Republican far right dipping in with their black and white boots on the ground charge into Iraq and Iran !

added,

Complex web of intra-Islamic enmity snares Middle East

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32160794
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July 29, 2015 4:50pm
starboard

Not at all stigie..I was just laying out the facts. I dont recall talking about bum sex , I was just stating someones name.

Pervert.
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July 29, 2015 5:24pm
starboard

Speaking of perverts..how fucked up is this ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/70653837/men-charged-with-503-sex-offences-against-girl-in-australia
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July 29, 2015 5:25pm
wikiriwhis business

So now Groser admits medicine and health care costs will definitely increase under the TPPA ..wtf is he smoking ?
When will we hear were the gains are going to come from ?

““What I think is clear is that any future finance minister and health minister, whoever she or he is, clearly has got to make sure that there’s adequate funding taking account of these changes,” he says.”

Johanne Singleton Pharmasists are saying only this week, that there is a shortfall in funding from the government on many prescription medicines and that they are going to have to pass their losses on to the patients. unless the goverment increases what they will pay towards the medicines.
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July 29, 2015 5:30pm
stigie

Hurts, sausage, bandits…..? who’s the pervert ?
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July 29, 2015 5:31pm
mikenmild

We all know what you are really interested in, starboard…
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July 29, 2015 5:31pm
starboard

fuck off dickhead(s)
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July 29, 2015 5:34pm
mikenmild

Make me. What are you going to do, tell your Dad on me?
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July 29, 2015 5:37pm
stephieboy

wiki, and the TPPA will spell the end of parallel importing . Also will be interesting to see how it might effect global on line shopping . Recall how Adidas stopped importing direct from Germany their very expensive All Black Jerseys back in 2011.
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July 29, 2015 5:38pm
stigie

You cant bring Dad into this Milky ?
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July 29, 2015 5:38pm
mikenmild

I might have made a mistake mentioning him, stigie, but it’s not full moon yet.
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July 29, 2015 5:40pm
starboard

Fantastic ! Hump day for the pathetic mouldy language week.
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July 29, 2015 5:41pm
SPC

Is Craig Collins is going to sue Cameron William or just remove him from the list of official contacts?

Whatever, there is the political circus and then there is the real world of the governance of a democracy.
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July 29, 2015 5:42pm
mikenmild

I te wiki pai, starboard. E kore e sex nono rawa nui.
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July 29, 2015 5:46pm
stigie

Next full moon in a couple of days Milky, wear your best armour ole chap !~
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July 29, 2015 5:46pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

You cant bring Dad into this Milky ?

Speaking of Dad, Stigie, did we ever get the complete run-down on the LAX incident?
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July 29, 2015 5:47pm
wikiriwhis business

http://asheepnomore.net/2014/04/02/kissinger-obama-will-create-new-world-order/

Kissinger: Obama Will Create A New World Order

In 2009, Henry Kissinger made the remark in an interview in with CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street” hosts Mark Haines and Erin Burnett at the New York Stock Exchange, after Burnett asked him what international conflict would define the Obama administration’s foreign policy.

“The president-elect is coming into office at a moment when there is upheaval in many parts of the world simultaneously,” Kissinger responded. “You have India, Pakistan; you have the jihadist movement. So he can’t really say there is one problem, that it’s the most important one. But he can give new impetus to American foreign policy partly because the reception of him is so extraordinary around the world. His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a New World Order can be created. It’s a great opportunity, it isn’t just a crisis.”
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July 29, 2015 5:48pm
stigie

No Nostra, we are still waiting for him to return from South Africa to give us the low down on his friend Rodger.

Do you think he’s up for it ?
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July 29, 2015 5:52pm
stephieboy

wiki,Henry Kissinger here provides some context and further details about what he actually meant by NWO and its nothing like what Alex Jones , Paul Craig Roberts , David Icke and associated loons mean by the term,

http://www.wsj.com/articles/henry-kissinger-on-the-assembly-of-a-new-world-order-1409328075

Obama, like his predecessors, is in fact trying to establish a NWO in terms of international co operation and cohesion which is quite a difficult and problematic process .
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July 29, 2015 5:58pm
wikiriwhis business

Bruce Bisset: Nats have buried us in debt

Under Key’s government New Zealand’s debt, which was at around $18 billion when the National Party was elected, it has blossomed to a staggering $86 billion today.

Back when Labour was in power we had constant carping about Clarke’s “nanny state” and how welfare and social reforms were running up debt like there was no tomorrow.

Still we hear that mantra repeated – and surprisingly, most of the time it goes unchallenged.

But it’s pure myth. New Zealand’s national debt was less after nine years of Labour than when they were elected. The Clarke government was fiscally ultra-conservative, because the books really did balance.

Contrast that with debt under Key’s government. Starting at around $18 billion, it has blossomed to a staggering $86 billion today. That’s a five-fold increase, in just six years.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503459&objectid=11319649
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July 29, 2015 6:01pm
wikiriwhis business

“Obama, like his predecessors, is in fact trying to establish a NWO in terms of international co operation and cohesion which is quite a difficult and problematic process .”

Good thought Steph but you forget the bankers and corporates who own Washington and they want profit at all costs
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July 29, 2015 6:03pm
Manolo

Battling human flotsam: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3176965/Holidaymakers-face-travel-misery-latest-wave-migrant-chaos-sparks-hour-long-delays-Eurotunnel-Operation-Stack-causes-gridlock-Kent.html

At least 2200 illegal migrants tried to storm the Channel Tunnel in a bid to reach Britain from France, it has been revealed.

In one of the worst security breaches in the history of the undersea link, huge gangs broke through security fencing in Calais in the early hours.
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July 29, 2015 6:52pm
AgentBallSack

Is Griff out of weed?
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