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July 27, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 27 July 2015

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stigie

“Just stay away from my buggy wheels stigie”!

Just couldn’t help myself Nasska.

http://www.planetppg.com/pagepics/2011/Sep_11_IMG_8704_800x.jpg
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July 27, 2015 7:46pm
Nostradamus

Penny was chirping louder than Tweety Bird about her “protest” at the National Party conference. Mission accomplished! Oh hold on – what’s this?

TPP enters final negotiations

Penny won’t be happy…
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July 27, 2015 7:58pm
Grant

Hi Nostro. No one was keen on a bet. Bugger.
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July 27, 2015 8:09pm
nasska

I seem to remember that you’re one of our legal eagles Nostra. How much longer can the Auckland Council procrastinate before they sell up Penny’s hovel?

It would be a shame to see her on the streets but at least it would give us some respite from the waffle while she got on with harvesting the fruits of martyrdom.
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July 27, 2015 8:09pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

I summarised the process here:

Nostradamus (2,954 comments) says:
April 20th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

I’ve just looked at the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002.

The process for Penny Not-So is set out in sections 66-76.

In summary:

Section 66 (Registration of charging order for judgment for rates)
– Auckland Council have already registered a charging order against Penny’s property.
– I don’t know the date of the rates judgment.

Section 67 (Enforcement of judgment)
– Penny is given three months (from the date of the rates judgment) to pay.
– If Penny doesn’t pay, then Auckland Council can ask the Registrar of the High Court to enforce the rates judgment. The rates judgment can be enforced “by sale or lease of the rating unit”. As Penny lives there, I think we’re looking at a sale rather than a lease.

Section 68 (Rating sale or lease)
– The Registrar sends Penny a friendly letter.
– Penny is given six months to pay.

Section 70 (Rating unit may be sold or leased)
– After six months, if Penny still hasn’t paid, then the Registrar may sell or lease Penny’s property (and recover the Registrar’s costs and Auckland Council’s costs).

The clock is ticking, Penny! Tick tock!

So, really, the timing is a matter for Auckland Council. Once they set the ball rolling, the timeframes are pretty clear.

See here for more general information.
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July 27, 2015 8:19pm
stigie

“It would be a shame to see her on the streets”

Now now Nasska, you seem to be softening in your older age ole chap ?
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July 27, 2015 8:21pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Nasska believes in compassionate capitalism: soup kitchens for the homeless!
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July 27, 2015 8:24pm
nasska

The milk of human kindness courses through my veins stigie. 🙂

Besides, I’ve been researching the plans for her new abode. https://www.dropbox.com/s/48pyqns0tp90kr3/Waterwoman%2010.jpg?dl=0
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July 27, 2015 8:26pm
publicwatchdog

Still have had no reply from an OIA to Minister of Trade Tim Groser as to whether or not Fonterra representatives can see the text of the TPPA to ensure a good deal is being negotiated for dairy?

How can the judgment of the Minister of Trade Tim Groser be trusted – if he is after the ‘baubles of office’ as the future NZ Ambassador to the USA?

Penny Bright?
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July 27, 2015 8:30pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xfjq7fuj40y9jv7/Cuckoo%2021%208%2014.jpg?dl=0
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July 27, 2015 8:32pm
stigie

Now that you’re here Penny, when are the Auckland Council going to auction your hovel ?
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July 27, 2015 8:33pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

Still have had no reply from an OIA to Minister of Trade Tim Groser as to whether or not Fonterra representatives can see the text of the TPPA to ensure a good deal is being negotiated for dairy?

I can assist you with that.

Tim has asked me to respond to you along the following lines: Yes and no. I promise a more fulsome reply as soon as you pay your rates.
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July 27, 2015 8:34pm
publicwatchdog

errr…. where is the ‘ticking clock’ for Auckland Council in their failure to comply with the Public Records Act 2005, and the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002, s. 45 and s.46?

Or – do you believe that Councils are not accountable to the ‘rule of law’ Nostradamus?

Aren’t you one of the Kiwibloggers who purports to be a lawyer?

Penny Bright

CITIZEN – not SLAVE!
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July 27, 2015 8:36pm
Jack5

Final nail in the survival of the Maori language?

Friend of North Korea, Cat Man, and oracle of every fucking thing — Gareth Morgan — sings its praises in the Hooerald.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11487525
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July 27, 2015 8:39pm
stigie

Are you still using the Auckland Council services that other ratepayers are paying for Penny ?
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July 27, 2015 8:40pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

errr…. where is the ‘ticking clock’ for Auckland Council in their failure to comply with the Public Records Act 2005, and the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002, s. 45 and s.46?

Here we go again:

You keep alleging that Auckland Council isn’t complying with section 17(1) of the Public Records Act 2005.

Section 17(1) states:

Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

Please provide proof (to an evidential standard that would be accepted in a court of law) that Auckland Council is failing to create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs in accordance with normal, prudent business practice. I very much doubt you have any proof.

Would you like me to repost the part of the judgment where a High Court judge – no less – said “I conclude that she would appear to have no valid defence to the rates claim”. Here you go – no need to thank me!

Aren’t you one of the Kiwibloggers who purports to be a lawyer?

Actually, yes, I have a Master of Laws with distinction. How about you? Do you think you know more about the law than Justice Asher?
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July 27, 2015 8:44pm
Jack5

Forget the trivia, night owls!

The Shanghai share market has plunged 8.5 per cent today, its biggest fall for more than eight years, and commodity prices are shaky.

Here’s Bloomberg’s take on today’s dive in Shanghai:

The Shanghai Composite’s slump is a blow to policy makers who enacted unprecedented measures to stem a $4 trillion rout that ran for a month through mid-July.

We are living in interesting times – too interesting times.
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July 27, 2015 8:52pm
Nookin

Re rates

There was an old judgment on which the council took no action. Penny appealed the judgment and was ordered to provide security for costs. Not being altogether enthused about the prospect of paying out any of her hard earned dosh, Penny appealed against that order and presented herself before Asher J to remonstrate. His honour observed that the appeal was lacking a desireable characteristic, namely merit and he observed that the prospects of success were dim. Penny then argued that she was a really, really important person who shouldn’t have to pay security. This stunningly bold argument failed to overcome his honour who booted her appeal to touch and later ordered her to pay costs. There is no record of the substantive appeal proceeding.
ACC then went back to sleep until it decided to re-activate its interest in recovering the arrears which, by this time, had swollen alarmingly.

ACC toddled off to Court replete with an array of faulty calculations only to be told that mathematical exactitude was a prerequisite and counsel should retire in pursuit thereof.

His honour also observed that her Brightness may have won a battle but the forces gathering to oppose her were all but insurmountable.

Council appears now to have done its sums and has gone back to court.
The last report in the subject appears to be in June.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/69504984/Rates-protester-Penny-Bright-closer-to-losing-house

Not long after winning the last round, her Brightness solicited assistance from kiwibloggers to argue the validity of the rates demand in the High Court.

Judging by the snotty attitude that she displays to all and sundry on KB, it seems that there were few volunteers. I thought D4j might be the most psychologically suited for the task given his admirable ability to sidetrack debate by spontaneous meltdown but he seems to have disappeared.

Maybe you should try, Nostradamus? Ask for payment in Bank of America shares. They work wonders.
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July 27, 2015 8:53pm
Nostradamus

Nookin:

Maybe you should try, Nostradamus?

It must be time to revisit the “cab rank” rule – I don’t think it was designed with prospective clients like Penny and DotCom in mind!
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July 27, 2015 8:57pm
Jacob

Penny Bright will not be satisfied with so-called accountability of Auckland Council until they have a public register of all pecuniary interests (like that which the Prime Minister is subject to) for all contracting and contractee persons connected to the Council, and then she may consider paying her rates.

Penny Bright will not pay any rates or penalties in arrears for the period that Auckland Council has not complied with the above.

These FACTS of course are as verifiable as the accusations Penny Bright, in her unhealthy obsession, makes against Prime Minister John Key – that he has shares in the Bank of America and may therefore not always act in New Zealand’s interests.
Peter Bright suggests John Key may be in breach of his Prime Minister’s oath?

However in the interests of transparency, honesty and community responsibility, Penny Bright can instantly clear up the two above predictions by agreeing or denying that they accurately express her position: why she won’t pay her rates currently, and what she won’t pay any arrears.
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July 27, 2015 8:57pm
Scott Chris

dirty harry (553 comments) says:
July 27th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Dont talk about bum sex..you’ll only get Scott Chris fizzed up..eewwww

Not at all Dirty Harriet/Starboard. That’s what you appear to be obsessed with as you constantly keep bringing it up. Time to come out of the closet lovey. It’s the only way to stop hating yourself and by extension, gays.

As for me? Well, I prefer vaginal, but I don’t go on about it. 🙂
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July 27, 2015 9:03pm
Jacob

“Peter” Bright in my 8.57 comment should of course be “Penny” Bright
OK – so not all of us are that Bright.
But the basic question still stands.
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July 27, 2015 9:07pm
Scott Chris

The Shanghai share market has plunged 8.5 per cent today

Probably just part of a correction Jack. Hasn’t it risen 150% in the last couple of years?
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July 27, 2015 9:08pm
publicwatchdog

Gee Kiwibloggers – since John Key has been Prime Minister of New Zealand – haven’t the banks and traders done well?

We now have a derivatives market for dairying and electricity.

We now have the Auckland ‘Supercity’ – which because of its size – can now, as I understand it – borrow overseas currency
off shore.

We have this ‘white hot’ Auckland property market – which is marvellous for the speculators. land bankers, real estate agents, foreign investors, money-launderers and banks.

Sky City, in my opinion, have been able to effectively set up a money-laundering factory in the heart of Auckland City, given the failure of OFCANZ, PM John Key, Minister Steven Joyce, Auckland Council and Auckland Central Police to carry out any ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the NZ International Convention Centre Act.

A number of dairy farmers are now in hock to the banks – especially given the dramatic fall in the price of milk fat solids.

As I understand it – NZ debt is now over $100 billion, and as of 2012, exposure to derivatives was $112 billion?

And Prime Minister John Key is still a shareholder in the Bank of America – still arguably working for foreign banks and currency traders?

Advocating for the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) – from which he can arguably personally profit?

Follow the dollar …..?

WAKE UP KIWIS!

Penny Bright
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July 27, 2015 9:20pm
Jack5

Scott Chris at 9.08 on the Shanghai sharemarket drop.

Correction? Unfortunately, don’t think so. Beijing has been trying to hold the market up. It looks like its measures aren’t working. Have a look at Bloomberg’s lead article.
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July 27, 2015 9:24pm
Nookin

Hi Penny.

Did you see that Mr Key won a Jeep Cherokee for Ronald MacDonald House this morning. Have you expressed your appreciation? Credit when credit’s due. Isn’t that your mantra?

You might like to extend your reading beyond Derivatives for Dummies. You might find that without them our biggest companies would be in tHe proverbial mire.

And you still havent justified your assertion that the ownership of BofA shares is a corrupt conflict of interest. You can’t can you? It is all bullshit and you know it.
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July 27, 2015 9:28pm
Manolo

The Queen against the New York Times: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/27/hillary-camp-rips-ny-times-but-email-story-still-dogs-her/?intcmp=hpbt3

Now the Clinton campaign is on the offense against the New York Times, branding its latest story on the controversy “false” and “discredited.”

“This incident shows the danger of relying on reckless, inaccurate leaks from partisan sources,” the campaign says.
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July 27, 2015 10:00pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘Actually, yes, I have a Master of Laws with distinction’

Makes it a little weird that you should troll so much damas, post favourite links in an attempt to embarrass others, meltdown so magnificently, and of course your emphasis on use of the words ‘bum sex’ frequently. Anyway, you may just be lonely and have forgotten what Mastering Law with distinction might indicate to others far less magnificent than your great self.

I’d like to know your thoughts on an unusual hypothetical situation of a member of the Bar misusing a public forum, or at least using it in a manner likely to bring disrepute to members of his or hers own profession?
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July 27, 2015 10:08pm
Nostradamus

Oh – my stalker has arrived.
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July 27, 2015 11:00pm
Northland Wahine

R.I.P Garth George.

I may not have always agreed with what you said but admired your delivery.
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July 27, 2015 11:08pm
DaveG

Gee Penny. Haven’t real working Kiwis done well since John Kay and national came into power. He and national have got the country through the recession, the ChCH earthquakes and much more.

As a country so many kiwis are so much better off, largely those are the working Kiwis who have has reasonable pay increases if late, oh. And the first real increase in benefits for the non workers for decades.

Then all the other things this government has achieved for kiwis.

In fact Penny, the increase in living conditions has pushed NZ up in the list of desirable places to live and the wage and salary increases mean real and genuine kiwis can afford to pay their rates Penny, even those subject to the red / socialist council or Lying Len.

Ps I would take you so much s’more seriously if you just paid your rates Penny.
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July 27, 2015 11:25pm
Manolo

A joke or two: http://thehill.com/policy/international/249206-obama-jokes-about-his-birth-certificate-at-state-dinner-in-kenya
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