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Epic troll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k
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July 22, 2015 1:54pm
AgentBallSack

mikenmild further to your question “why would the NRA be happy with this?”

The answer is quite simple – perceived threat. While there is the perceived threat that all black people are armed and are criminals wanting nothing more than to rob you and rape your family, nothing will ever get done about the continued proliferation of firearms in America. This allows the NRA to justify their stance on private gun ownership, despite the fact that you’re more likely to be killed by your own firearm than murdered on the street by a stranger.

Exactly the same as fear mongering reporting that keeps the US involved in wars overseas.
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July 22, 2015 1:58pm
Shawn Herles

Obama Dithers In Wake Of Chattanooga Terrorist Attacks, As Governors Arm Their Guard Units.

“Four Marines and a sailor were murdered in attacks on Chattanooga, Tennessee, military facilities last Thursday. Since 2009, 34 servicemen have been murdered on military bases, and 54 have been injured.

So far the Obama Administration has treated the latest mass killing on U.S. military property—all five of which have occurred during Obama’s Presidency—with near indifference.

Governors in a least six states have responded to Obama’s fecklessness by ordering their National Guard troops to be armed.”

http://bearingarms.com/obama-dithers-wake-chattanooga-terrorist-attacks-governors-arms-guard-units/
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July 22, 2015 2:22pm
Shawn Herles

Obama declares war on suburban America

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421406/hud-disparate-impact-suburban-racism
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July 22, 2015 2:26pm
Griff

Don’t forget ball sack.
When those government agents from fema comes for ya you can defend your self.
Nothing like a full auto shooter packing 17 rounds when they come.

Specially when they are gonna come with an A10 at 300 kn and blow your arse back to wacko from five miles out .
Brrrrrrrrrap.
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July 22, 2015 2:41pm
Dennis Horne

Shawn Herles is on the loose
Putting Democrats in the noose
If he wants rule by gun
Shove one up his bum
Is he gander or silly goose?
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July 22, 2015 2:43pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 8:15 am

15 Lies of Liberalism.
7) …you shouldn’t take your Christian faith seriously, that political correctness matters more than the Bible, and that mocking God has no consequences –
– Ever heard someone say, “Don’t pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel?” Well, if liberals were smarter, they wouldn’t be picking a fight with an omnipotent God who buys lightning bolts by the barrel and has a well earned reputation for getting fed up every once in awhile and dishing out “Old Testament style wrath” on His enemies.

lol – especially on Thursdays.
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July 22, 2015 2:45pm
kowtow

Bye ,bye.

http://www.3news.co.nz/world/climate-change-refugee-loses-bid-2015072020#axzz3gaNzySUn
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July 22, 2015 3:20pm
Manolo

A bob each bloody way. AGW strikes again: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33594654

The volume of Arctic sea ice increased by around a third after an unusually cool summer in 2013.

Researchers say the growth continued in 2014 and more than compensated for losses recorded in the three previous years. The scientists involved believe changes in summer temperatures have greater impacts on ice than thought.

But they say 2013 was a one-off and that climate change will continue to shrink the ice in the decades ahead.
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July 22, 2015 3:38pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

UK Labour seem to believe that Ed Milliband was too centrist, and what they really need is to go further to the left:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11754826/Jeremy-Corbyn-will-win-Labour-leadership-contest-poll-finds.html
Tories are of course barely restraining themselves from dancing in the streets.
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July 22, 2015 3:40pm
wiseowl

I was hopeful when I read the Stuff story where Judith Collins question why maths and science teachers need to speak Moori.

Dreams soon shattered when she gets knocked down by leftist bureaucrats and Parata hammering the bi-cultural line.

And as for the ex deputy of NZ First saying it’s an official language, well that doesn’t mean we have to force it down everyones throats.It doesn’t make it compulsory to use it.

No wonder this country is going nowhere.
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July 22, 2015 3:46pm
stephieboy

Kea (13,953 comments) says:
July 22nd, 2015 at 1:32 pm

You must be utterly gutted about the Iran Nuclear deal and especially Bibi’s reaction,

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-spending-scandal-backlash-iran-nuclear-deal/

AIPAC in charge ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/aipac-pummels-obama/2015/03/02/e05ee4c2-c10d-11e4-9ec2-b418f57a4a99_story.html
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July 22, 2015 4:00pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Stephieboy: I agree that violent war on Islam is not a good idea, but how then are we supposed to deal with an implacable foe? Islam is:
1/ Growing (high birth rates, typical of cultures that treat women as chattels)
2/ Anti-freedom of thought.
3/ Misogynistic.
4/ Violently suppresses dissent – killing or threatening to kill those who criticise Islam.
5/ Thuggish – exhorts lying, killing, cheating, rape, enslavement and other criminally unethical treatment of infidels.
6/ Bacon hating (the fiends!)

And where it takes over Islamic culture appears to be:
1/ Destabilising – more prone to violence,
2/ Brutal (mostly police states, perpetrating secretive state-backed violence on members of their societies)
3/ Nasty and constraining to large proportions, women, children, gay, non-muslim all treated badly or with diminished rights.
4/ Fosters corruption – nowhere attaining the low-corruption societies that make the west so successful.
5/ Politically and socially oppressive – all power lying in hands of unelected and unaccountable religious leaders.

It is bad enough that most Muslims appear to want to leave their home countries and move to the west to enjoy the better standards of living and greater freedoms afforded by those western cultures.

Growing Islamisation of the west via high birth rates, immigration and conversion appears to be a form of subversion/attack on western culture and enlightenment ideals that we are incapable of repelling without becoming more like them in their oppression of other religions and political dissent. You can’t leave Islam once you join (due to family pressure, and/or threat of ostracism/death). So how is the west supposed to stop it from taking over our countries? Or do you not think that preserving the freedoms, equality, safety and high standards of living we currently enjoy in the west is good thing?

I can’t see how we can stop it without pushing strong rules to prevent the growth of Islam in the west – in order of severity measures like:
-forcing children of muslim families to get a secular education
-providing support for people who leave islam.
-not subsidising muslims to have large families
-banning hijab niqab burka that isolate and marginalise muslim women from mainstream western culture
-not allowing muslims to immigrate unless they reject islam
-in extremis perhaps even ban teaching the Koran

These are non-violent measures that are no worse than those perpetrated on non-muslims throughout the middle east.
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July 22, 2015 4:22pm
stephieboy

10 Myths About Muslims in the West

1. Muslims have a higher birth rate than other religions, and will take over the world by population
Two generations ago, it seemed as if Islamic countries were destined for out-of-control population growth. People spoke of an “Islamic fertility rate” – – more than 5 children per family, on average – – and predicted minaret spires foresting the Earth. Today, it is readily apparent that Islam is not connected with population growth. Just look at Iran, the world’s only Islamic theocracy, where the average family had around 7 children in the 1980s – – and has 1.7 today, a lower rate than France or Britain. Or look at the United Arab Emirates, with 1.9 children per family. Or Turkey, ruled by an elected party of devout Muslims for a decade, which now has 2.15 children per family. Or Lebanon, where, despite Hezbollah’s rise, has only 1.86 children per family (so that its population will be shrinking). Around the world, the average Muslim family size has fallen from 4.3 children per family in 1995 to 2.9 in 2010, and is expected to fall below the population-growth rate, and converge with Western family sizes, by mid-century. This is a crucial sign that Muslim societies are undergoing a major modernizing, secularizing wave – – even if they elect Islamist parties while
etc, etc, etc

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-saunders/10-myths-about-muslims-in_b_1864589.html

Were you old enough the remember the big international communust conspiracy that was supposed to subvert and overtake the world, ?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/New_World_Order
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July 22, 2015 4:46pm
igm

Hear tell cradle-snatching, gutter-sniping, political editor of Newstalk may have bitten off more than he can chew with his filthy and disgusting attack on our PM’s son. I hope this is factual as he should at least attract a good smack in the swede as well as losing his job . . . see if his left-wing union masters protect him. These types are not fit to be referred to as journalists, let alone given a platform to push their vile and evil agendas.
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July 22, 2015 4:49pm
nasska

stephieboy

He may have been old enough to take threats like this on board:

….” “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN”……

http://4freedoms.com/group/maps/forum/topics/list-of-supremacist-statements
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July 22, 2015 4:56pm
stephieboy

nasska , some context would be helpful in respect of Algerian President plus actual source with full speech !

Doesn’t seem to be the same person profiled here ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houari_Boumediene I see it as no different to this kind of thing that been with us down through ages ,

http://www.a-voice.org/discern/chrstian.htm
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July 22, 2015 5:12pm
nasska

….”some context would be helpful in respect of Algerian President”…..

Why? It makes sense as a stand alone statement.

Either he said it or he didn’t & since it was part of a speech made to the UN it is hard to write off as electioneering rhetoric.
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July 22, 2015 5:18pm
Reid

I have argued from the very beginning of the US-Iran nuclear talks that the diplomacy taking place was nothing more than theatre to be used later in the rush to war as evidence that the US did “everything in its power” to avoid confrontation.

Yeah this is my fear too.

Even tho Obama is a muslim.

But the next POTUS will just ditch it.

The Israeli lobby in the US is much much more powerful than the silly old POTUS.

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/israelis-saudis-considering-attack-on.html
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July 22, 2015 5:21pm
mikenmild

Even tho Obama is a muslim

LOL
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July 22, 2015 5:29pm
starboard

Another peaceful native plays up..why didn’t they just throw it out at 10000 feet ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/70417823/Drunk-passenger-forces-aircraft-to-return-to-terminal
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July 22, 2015 5:31pm
wellygirl

Why is none of the NZ media reporting on the state visit to China by our Governor General? Is it because they might actually have to write something positive about China and the Chinese? I have seen some links to Chinese media articles on the GG facebook page, but nothing from NZ Media. It is disgraceful that they would rather waste column inches on a 20 year old’s youtube video, but not write anything about the Governor General on a state visit.
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July 22, 2015 5:33pm
mikenmild

Maybe that’s because most Kiwis could not care less about what the Governor-General gets up to?
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July 22, 2015 5:36pm
Fletch

According to an article I saw yesterday, almost half the Muslims in the world are inbred due to incest – having married cousins etc. This has obvious implications for health, including disabilities both physical and mental.

According to Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into Muslim inbreeding, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred:

70% of Pakistanis are inbred.
67% of Saudi Arabians are inbred.
64% of those living in Jordan and Kuwait are inbred.
63% of Sudanese are inbred.
60% of Iraqis are inbred.
54% of Muslims in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar are inbred.
25-30% of those in Turkey are inbred.
In England, at least 55% of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins.
In Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

Sennels warns that massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to Muslims’ intelligence, sanity, and health. (Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time.)

Below are the consequences of inbreeding:

1. Birth and birth defects:

100% increase in the risk of stillbirths.
50% increase in the risk that the child dies during labor.
The risk of autosomal recessive genetic disorders such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher.
The risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher.
2. Physical and mental retardation and illnesses:

The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of mental and physical retardation and schizophrenic illness.
The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness, i.e., insanity.
Social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies. An academic paper published in the Indian National Science Academy found that “the onset of various social profiles like visual fixation, social smile, sound seizures, oral expression and hand-grasping are significantly delayed among the new-born inbred babies.”
Research shows that if one’s parents are cousins, intelligence goes down 10-16 IQ points. The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as “retarded,” increases by 400% among children of cousin marriages.

All of which would explain the following phenomena among Muslims (Source: Nicolai Sennels):

1 out of every 3 Somalis are mentally ill.
More than 40% of the patients in Denmark‘s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant (i.e., Muslim) background.
One-third of all handicapped people in Copenhagen have a “foreign” (i.e., Muslim) background.
In Denmark, psychologist Sennels’ native country, “non-Western” immigrants (who are mainly Muslim) are more than 300% more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.
In Denmark, Muslim children are grossly overrepresented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education.
64% of school children with Arabic parents in Denmark are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.
The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, “One study based on 300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole.”

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/07/18/half-of-worlds-muslims-are-inbred-due-to-generations-of-incest/
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July 22, 2015 5:41pm
Fletch

Obama made a side deal with Iran regarding inspection of their facilities and the IAEA that we’re only just learning about (and weren’t supposed to).

“According to the IAEA, the Iran agreement negotiators, including the Obama administration, agreed that the IAEA and Iran would forge separate arrangements to govern the inspection of the Parchin military complex – one of the most secretive military facilities in Iran – and how Iran would satisfy the IAEA’s outstanding questions regarding past weaponization work. Both arrangements will not be vetted by any organization other than Iran and the IAEA, and will not be released even to the nations that negotiated the JCPOA. This means that the secret arrangements have not been released for public scrutiny and have not been submitted to Congress as part of its legislatively mandated review of the Iran deal.”
The American public has not been given all the facts on the Iran deal, nor has congress. This is not only distressing but a violation

http://irantruth.org/breaking-obama-made-side-deal-on-irans-military-site-hid-details-from-congress/

https://pompeo.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398509
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July 22, 2015 5:49pm
mikenmild

in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time

Now Fletch, seeing that is completely false, can we have much faith in the rest of the story?
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July 22, 2015 5:52pm
Kea

Fletch, so what is it about making peace with the Persians that bothers you ?

Let me guess; Because the [self declared] chosen master race in the [self declared] promised land have vowed to destroy Iran.
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July 22, 2015 5:53pm
nasska

Reid

According to this article the USA’s status as the “Great Satan” in Iran may be in peril. Your thoughts?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/iran-today-great-satan-no-longer-united-states-its-saudi-arabia
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July 22, 2015 5:55pm
Kea

What Western Christian Zionists think: Defend everything Jews do or say and you will go to heaven for sure.

What Jews think: All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a) Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15) When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

And my personal favorite 🙂

Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

[’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
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July 22, 2015 6:00pm
nasska

…..”The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.”…..

Havelock Ellis English physician & writer 1859 – 1939
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July 22, 2015 6:07pm
Reid

According to this article the USA’s status as the “Great Satan” in Iran may be in peril. Your thoughts?

nasska if you understand geopolitics you’ll know that Yemen is about SA vs Iran. It’s the first real SA muscle-flexing adventure in the ME as the US’ deputy sheriff, although SA is less really flexing than waddling with the help of being cradled by its mate the US. But that’s all that headline is, a temporary propaganda move signifying nothing, no major shift, always there, yawn. But Yemen is the cause.

It’s Sunni vs Shia ultimately and once the US isn’t there anymore the Shia power will roll over everyone. That’s why Israel wants to use US blood and treasure to take it out before the US becomes a spent force. And she’ll do everything it takes to make that happen, up to and including exploding a real or dirty nuke in say, Chicago and blaming it on Iran. (And of course the media will ignore the obvious fact that Iran would have nothing at all to gain from doing that.)

And the ME players need to be calculating now, what they will be doing when the US isn’t there anymore, because whether people know it or not, the US is a dead man walking and has been for many years, in almost every way imaginable, except militarily. And a country cannot control the globe (which is what the neocon lunatics are and have been attempting) when that’s your only asset. Because that won’t last. It’s like the road runner, running out of cliff, and walking on air.

Shame the western people seem to care more about Caitlyn Jenner than all the Yemenis being slaughtered by the UKUSA. Isn’t it. But what do we expect. From sheep.
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July 22, 2015 6:09pm
stephieboy

Fletch, why i think their is good rounds to doubt Tom Cotton based on this interview here ,

Tom Cotton: Obama’s Iran Deal May Lead to Nuclear War
The hawkish junior senator from Arkansas discusses the president’s motivations—and his own.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/tom-cotton-obama-iran-deal-may-lead-to-nuclear-war/390327/

Your other item about Muslim in breeding allegations of is very reminiscence of the medieval allegations against Jews sacrificing and eating gentile children .

Nasska, the source in respect to of the allegations about he the Algerian.s President’s UN speech ? A link to the text of full speech would be helpful too.!
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July 22, 2015 6:10pm
wellygirl

“Maybe that’s because most Kiwis could not care less about what the Governor-General gets up to?”

Well, most can’t care, or not, because our celebrity obsessed and narcissistic media are more interested in creating news, outrage and telling people what they should be caring about than actually doing what they should be doing and reporting what is happening.

How the Governor-General represents NZ overseas should be reported, and the public can then make up their own mind.

Oh, and for the record I know a lot of Kiwi’s who do care what the Governor-General gets up to – especially when he is on a state visit.
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July 22, 2015 6:11pm
dcrown

“DONALD TRUMP STILL ON THE RISE, NO HIT FROM JOHN MCCAIN ATTACK”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/21/poll-donald-trump-still-on-the-rise-no-hit-from-john-mccain-attack/

So still no implosion, huh?
The real question is when will David admit he is completely ignorant of American politics?
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July 22, 2015 6:11pm
Kea

US Foreign Policy ( Yeah the – war on terror – really is a holy war)

Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy.

Hippolytus[3] and Irenaeus[4] foresaw a Jewish return from exile, despite their unbelief in Jesus. Traditional Catholic thought did not consider Zionism in any form[5] and Christian advocacy of the restoration of the Jews arose following the Protestant Reformation. A contemporary Israeli historian suggests that evangelical Christian Zionists of the 1840s “passed this notion on to Jewish circles”.[6]
Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus.

And these morons have Nukes !
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July 22, 2015 6:13pm
Manolo

Honouring a gentleman, honest and dedicated man: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/70404598/former-victoria-university-chancellor-tim-beaglehole-dies-of-pneumonia
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July 22, 2015 6:14pm
Reid

And these morons have Nukes !

How come Israel’s allowed 350+, plus chemicals plus biologicals?

She’s not even signed the NPT.

Whereas according to most Westerners, the millisecond Iran gets even one, it’s the end of civilisation.

Where does that hysteria come from?

Because it is, isn’t it.

Hysterical, I mean.

I mean, isn’t it?

Look at it.

Go on.

Dare ya.
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July 22, 2015 6:16pm
Odakyu-sen

My back is killing me.

Anyway, my afternoon observations have revealed Shawn back online at
12:11
12:17
12:22

Then an interval of 1 hours and 20 minutes until his next post at 1:42, so I assume that he has returned from his morning foray to check in on KiwiBlog, and then has gone out again for lunch for almost an hour and a half. This is too short a time for home-kitchen sandwich making.

Lunch or whatever it was has obvious filled Shawn with energy, because starting at 1:42, he lets loose with a barrage of postings:
1:42
1:44
1:48
1:51
1:53
(Then a break of around half an hour.) (Coffee?)
Two more posts at 2:22 and 2:26 and then he suddenly disappears.

He may have gone out at this point, or it is possible that he has spotted me.

This is going to be a long night. Time to break out the Falcon Eye KC-2000.
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July 22, 2015 6:19pm
sam green

Shawn Herles. I see you’ve been peddling your own form of nasty one sided hatred again this morning. What would Jesus say?

I’ll let those more informed counter some of your Muslim and Jewish nonsense but hey – leave the gays alone. What have they ever done to you? Just because you chose to be heterosexual doesn’t mean you need to be pissy about those with other sexualities. And hey – just so you know – sexuality and gender are two different things – so it might pay to stop confusing the issue for people.
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July 22, 2015 6:19pm
Kea

A noisy and persistent bigot writes:

Multiethnic perhaps, but I vote no to multiculturalism.

Good to see it agreeing with Maori radicals. Don’t break your neck rushing for the first plane back to pommy land.
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July 22, 2015 6:20pm
Kea

What would Jesus say?

“Please don’t kill me Jews”
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July 22, 2015 6:21pm
Kea

How come Israel’s allowed 350+, plus chemicals plus biologicals?

Reid, allow me to answer my friend 😉

“NAZI, HOLOCAUST DENIER, ANTI SEMITE, MUSLIM JIHADIST !!!!! [gasp]”

I hope that answers your question about why Gods [self declared] favourite master race can do what ever they want. Unlike the untermensch.
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July 22, 2015 6:26pm
Shunda barunda

So Kea, do you think Israel has a right to exist or not, and if not, how do you propose we deal with these pesky Jews?

At least the Christians and Jews can be on that same patch of ground without resorting to blowing each other up.
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July 22, 2015 6:28pm
Reid

Good to see it agreeing with Maori radicals. Don’t break your neck rushing for the first plane back to pommy land.

Surprised you don’t see it Kea.

Globalism, communism, zionism, feminism are all from the same authors.

As you know multi-culturalism is simply aka globalism.

Q.E.D.

with these pesky Jews?

Shunda was Israel established in 1946 by God or by Ashkenazi Jews like the Rothschilds?

If the latter then why does Israel deserve praise from Christians, given what she does?

Surely Israel had a chance after the six day war, which WAS a genuine miracle from God, to prove herself, as a God fearing nation leading the world. But she’s clearly failed that test, hasn’t she?

Been to Tel Aviv, the gay capital of the world lately?

Let alone what Mossad and the IDF do.
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July 22, 2015 6:28pm
Dennis Horne

Welcome back to good old Kea
Warning us of stuff to fear
She’s made a good soft start
But will she soon fart?
And shower us all in diarrhoea
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July 22, 2015 6:29pm
nasska

stephieboy

….”the source in respect to of the allegations about he the Algerian.s President’s UN speech ? A link to the text of full speech would be helpful too.!”….

Google is your friend & mine. In good faith I gave a link to my source to Mohamed Boumedienne’s statement & there’s no shortage of sites using the quote. There are also those who deny that it was made but there’s the breaks.

I would note that I’ve not read one word of denial from an Islamic source…..just the usual please explains from European Muslim cuddlers.
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July 22, 2015 6:29pm
Manolo

Kea claims to be here to stay,
but his rampant anti-semitism,
coupled by his deep multiculturalism,
may force DPF to see him in a different way.
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July 22, 2015 6:31pm
Shunda barunda

If the latter then why does Israel deserve praise from Christians, given what she does?

I am wary of people that are overly pro Israel or anti Israel, in my experience both these camps within the Christian religion are usually going to cause problems.
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July 22, 2015 6:34pm
Kea

So Kea, do you think Israel has a right to exist or not, and if not, how do you propose we deal with these pesky Jews?

Creating a country on the basis of a primitive religious cult, in this day and age, was absurd and has done great harm to Jews and global security. However it is there now and should remain.

The Jew has lived in the region for centuries, as have many other cults. They have and they can live together in peace. I propose a one state solution.

We already know this works as plenty of Muslims live in Israel today. They live together all over the world. They lived together for many centuries. They live together right here in NZ now.

What do you suppose we do about those pesky Arabs, Persians, Goyim, Asians, Indians, Negros etc ?
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July 22, 2015 6:35pm
nasska

Odakyu-sen

Shawn earlier indicated that starting this week he was returning to trades training & updating his welding skills in an effort to obtain honest employment.

Possibly his desire to keep us up to speed on US politics & God’s wishes may have been limited to lunch & play times. 🙂
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July 22, 2015 6:37pm
itstricky

Globalism, communism, zionism, feminism are all from the same authors.

The Illuminati?

Dan Brown?

The owners of Investigate?
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July 22, 2015 6:39pm
Reid

I am wary of people that are overly pro Israel or anti Israel

Yes I personally am neither pro nor anti Shunda. I know I come across as anti but then I am anti any nation that does evil, in proportion to the evil that it does.

Has it occurred to you that God allowed Israel in 1946 because it is part of His plan?

If any country behooves one to be as wise as a serpent, it’s Israel.
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July 22, 2015 6:39pm
Kea

Manolo, to avoid continuing to look like an intellectually dishonest bigot, please explain to readers why being an anti-semite is worse than being anti Arab or other groups ?

I never seem able to get an answer to that question. I wonder if it is because Jews are an unusually powerful, rich and privileged group who have had a very easy life living off host societies ?

Dunno, no one will explain it …
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July 22, 2015 6:40pm
itstricky

Wow, that is a lot of internal gun related deaths and suicides in the US. Shawn that’s umpteem times the four marines. I imagine you are quote worried about that?
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July 22, 2015 6:40pm
mikenmild

You are leaving out the Freemasons and the ‘fake Jews’.
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July 22, 2015 6:41pm
stephieboy

nasska,

“Google is your friend & mine. ” Code for I really haven’t a clue ! I looked at the alleged quote and couldn’t source it . Now I wonder where the Four freedoms library sourced it.?

You may wish to email them ?

http://4freedoms.com/main/authorization/signIn?target=http%3A%2F%2F4freedoms.com%2Fprofiles%2Fmessage%2Fnew%3Ffolder%3DInbox%26page%3D1
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July 22, 2015 6:44pm
Reid

The Illuminati?

Who do you mean by that tricky?

Are you offended by the suggestion your beloved communism and feminism is a plant? And in the same family as the hated globalism and zionism?
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July 22, 2015 6:44pm
stephieboy

Reid, Illuminati ?

not these folks ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd02C4LqupQ
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July 22, 2015 6:47pm
Kea

Reid, the funny thing is Jews feature strongly in the growth of communism and modern liberal thinking. The very things the rabid supporters of Israel & Jews speak out about. Of course they are too uneducated and poorly read to know that.
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July 22, 2015 6:48pm
Odakyu-sen

nasska @ 6:37 p.m.

That information ties in with my observations in the field and would be consistent with student activity.

I am getting too old for this kind of work…
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July 22, 2015 6:50pm
Kea

Jewish World Review
The real reason why Jews are liberals
By Rabbi Yonason Goldson

….Jews have rallied to modern liberalism under the banner of tikkun olam, literally “the rectification of the world.” In its new, common usage, however, tikkun olam means something very different from what it meant when the concept was first articulated over 32 centuries ago.

TO REPAIR THE WORLD

Advocacy for saving the rainforests and for saving the whales, for developing renewable resources and for leaving a smaller carbon footprint — these are just some of the enterprises gathered by pop-Jewish philosophy under the umbrella of tikkun olam.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0410/goldson_reasons_jews_are_liberal.php3#.Va89bqSqqko
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July 22, 2015 6:54pm
nasska

Chin up Odakyu-sen. Your efforts to study the commenting habits of the Lesser Moonbat are not unappreciated. 🙂
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July 22, 2015 6:55pm
stephieboy

Kea, and you naturally believe Zionism was to balme for this FIFA official’s undoing ?,

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/category/conspiracies-about-jews/
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July 22, 2015 6:58pm
Kea

stupidboy, where did I say that ? Have you been watching Alex Jones again and thinking there is a big secret conspiracy against jews because god loves them ?

I will have to have a word with your mum about limiting your time on the web.
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July 22, 2015 7:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Odakyu-sen

I am getting too old for this kind of work…

Plus…. its unfashionable to do direct observation and data collection nowadays.

I suggest you download some software that can make you some pretty sine curves, then locate a whistleblower to donate you some info on welders’ work habits (Penny Dog might assist here), find a Labour Party analyst to input contributed info , and hey Presto….

A sociostatistical study of sociopaths.
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July 22, 2015 7:09pm
Kea

I suggest you download some software that can make you some pretty sine curves…

Maggy, I don’t even bother looking outside to check the weather now. I have a computer model that tells me exactly what the weather is doing.

Griff put me onto it.

The other day I got hypothermia walking to the shop. I could see the snow, but I stuck with the science and wore sandals and shorts. I spat in the face of the ambulance officers for being wingnut deniers and cutting off my toes for frost bite.
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July 22, 2015 7:16pm
Reid

Reid, the funny thing is…

Yes.

stupidboy, where did I say that..

sillyboy specialises in lies and disingenuity Kea. Just know that we all know about it. Just my mileage but don’t fall into his trap of getting you to insult him so DPF gives you a ban. Out of all the commenters, he’s the least worth being banned for.
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July 22, 2015 7:18pm
stephieboy

kea, oh dear so you don;t believe in an international jewish conspiracy after all . Well done , but Reid will be enraged !

I thought I might like to bring you up to speed bout Flight MH 17. As you will no doubt recall Putin , the Kremlin and their hack RT and Sputnik were convinced it was shot down by a Ukraine Su 25.

They’ve now backed down from that silly claim and now think it was a BUK. A Ukraine BUK naturally but how it ended up and fired far inside rebel occupied territory still is a bit of mystery that still requires an explanation ?

Thoughts ? Reid too ?
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July 22, 2015 7:20pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/urpeqfxtuahmqo4/Climate%20Crap%201A.jpg?dl=0
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July 22, 2015 7:22pm
Kea

Rebel territory full of Russians … who live there. See the problem ? ( Why are all those dam Russians living in another country ? Why is a huge Russian base situated in another country ?)

Oh and you do know that the Ukraine armed forces use Russian gear don’t you ? So yeah I’m pretty sure it WAS a Russian missile.
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July 22, 2015 7:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kea

I don’t have your faith.
I am a fallen woman and have succumbed to temptation yet again.

I am burning tree privet in my fire at this very moment, thereby releasing milligrams of CO2 into the atmosphere endangering the future of all womankind.

Tomorrow I will do penance and will recite 1 page of SkepticalScience 3X
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July 22, 2015 7:28pm
stephieboy

nasska,

Sir Cedric’s New Theory: Global Warming Changes [PARODY]

http://www.decodedscience.com/sir-cedrics-new-theory-global-warming-changes-parody/54223

Kea,

Yes the Ukraine do use BUK launchers but how did one end up deep inside rebel held territory unless it was a captured one ?

I forgot to post my link,

http://in.sputniknews.com/russia/20150506/1014372141.html

But you agree the SU 25 fighter scenario was a silly one ?

And did not Putin deny there were Russian ( troops ) in rebel held territory ?
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July 22, 2015 7:32pm
Kea

Maggy, The CO2 in the wood came from the air. You are just releasing it, which means its carbon neutral if you plant another tree.

Trees are mostly built out of air actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KZb2_vcNTg
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July 22, 2015 7:33pm
Kea

Oh so the civilian “rebels” nicked a Ukraine army missile LOL 🙂

And knew how to use such a sophisticated weapons system with no training LOL 🙂

And there are no Ukraine army people or equipment in the area at all LOL 🙂

“This is a hard system to use, in today’s terms,” said retired US Army Lieutenant General Patrick J. O’Reilly, a former director of the US Missile Defense Agency, who estimated that each of the SA-11 crew members would have needed at least six months of training.

“You don’t just take some folks off the street, and 30 days later they’re trained,” he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/10289031/Operating-Buk-missile-system-took-training
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July 22, 2015 7:38pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers!

Which of you support democracy and NZ First Fletcher Tabuteau’s Fighting Foreign Corporate Control Bill being supported to go to the Second Reading tonight?

Why doesn’t ACT Leader David Seymour “support the bill to its second reading so NZers can have a serious debate about investor-state dispute settlement provisions, their effects on our laws and our democracy.”?

Democracy for whom?

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Forwarded from ‘It’s Our Future’:

“Emergency! Calling all tweeters!

It’s looking like the Fighting Foreign Corporate Control Bill will be getting its first reading tonight!

We need you to tweet @PeterDunneMP to ask him to support the bill to its second reading so NZers can have a serious debate about investor-state dispute settlement provisions, their effects on our laws and our democracy.

Be respectful ………….

If you don’t have twitter, then email Peter Dunne p.dunne@ministers.govt.nz

Want to know more about investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) provisions? Check out these excellent videos:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/jul/02/the-undercurrent-tpp-icsid-tisa-ttip-video

https://vimeo.com/133411377

__________________________________________________________________________________

SEIZE THE MOMENT!

Penny Bright
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July 22, 2015 7:38pm
Kea

Penny, still single I see. Try Tinder.
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July 22, 2015 7:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Kea

why didn’t I have good-looking botany lecturers like that hunk at 7:33?
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July 22, 2015 7:46pm
Kea

Maggy, because you were a wicked child who was sent to the Mother of Holy Grace reform school.
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July 22, 2015 7:55pm
stephieboy

kea, I think you fighting a loosing battle there . The Rebels shot down a Ukraine AN 26 military plane just prior ( 14th July ) . It was flying at 22,000 ft and only a BUK launcher could do that . MANPADS ( shoulder launchers ) can only hit at 11,000 ft ,

“….There’s a “but” that makes these two cases very distinct from MH17, though — the AN-30 and ILl-6 were shot down by MANPADS, which stands for man-portable air-defense systems, a small missile launcher you carry on your shoulder. It can only fire to an altitude of about 11,500 feet, but MH17 was flying at 33,000 feet. That’s way, way outside of the range of shoulder-fired MANPADS missiles.
That’s why, at first, people were wondering if rebels even had the capability to shoot down a high-flying commercial airliner like MH17. But there was another incident just on Monday, July 14, that did not get very much attention at the time. That day, over eastern Ukraine, an Antonov AN-26 Ukrainian military transport plane was hit by a missile while flying over eastern Ukraine — at 21,000 feet altitude. That’s far beyond the range of a shoulder-fired system like the MANPADS.”

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/18/5914139/ukrainian-rebels-shot-down-two-planes-in-the-last-month

Now where did they get that BUK from I wonder ?

But at least we can agree that the rebels claim the M17 passengers were planted bodies is poppycock ,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697895/Now-rebel-commander-blamed-downing-MH17-says-bodies-aren-t-fresh-claims-corpses-dead-days.html

Or… ??
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July 22, 2015 7:57pm
Odakyu-sen

Maggy,

I was trained in old-school fieldwork in the days before the Internet. Nowadays, the kids would probably send a bot down the lines to do their dirty work.

In the meantime, I’ve reviewed the General Debate logs over the last week or so. Being Wednesday night, I expect Shawn to show up around about 8:15-8:30 p.m. this evening or so.

(Let’s see if he does…)
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July 22, 2015 8:01pm
stephieboy

kea, oh dear me !

Voice of Russia boast about the Rebel capture of Ukraine anti aircraft installation 29/06/ 2014 ,

http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/

Another not looking good my dear thing !
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July 22, 2015 8:03pm
Griff

Kea you idiot.
You can never understand even the simple stuff .
A weather forecast would have saved you.
Looking out side will not tell you what its going to be like hours in the future .
Now day we use computers to make weather forecasts. Lots more accurate than the old dry piece of seaweed. If you had of checked at http://www.metservice.com/mountain/ you would have known the outlook days ahead .
That way you dont get stuck in the mountains and freeze your brain off ending up a dribbly moron.
Of course its too late for you now …..
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July 22, 2015 8:11pm
Reid

Another not looking good my dear thing !

sillyboy specialises in lies and disingenuity Kea. Just know that we all know about it. Just my mileage but don’t fall into his trap of getting you to insult him so DPF gives you a ban. Out of all the commenters, he’s the least worth being banned for.

(I know you didn’t need it repeated. I just took delight in letting sillyboy know how transparent he is.)
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July 22, 2015 8:38pm
stephieboy

Reid, but the link I posted just above is not a lie ,

http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/

nor this,

http://in.sputniknews.com/russia/20150506/1014372141.html

Your problem ?
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July 22, 2015 9:01pm
publicwatchdog

Kea – you know nothing 🙂 (7.41pm)

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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July 22, 2015 9:28pm
publicwatchdog

Why on earth aren’t ALL parties supporting Fletcher Tabuteau’s Fighting Foreign Corporate Control Bill going to Select Committee – so that the public can have a say?

Penny Bright
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July 22, 2015 9:34pm
Kea

stephieboy (6,335 comments) says:
July 22nd, 2015 at 7:57 pm
kea, I think you fighting a loosing battle there . The Rebels shot down a Ukraine AN 26 military plane just prior

The Ukrainians have form for this. They shot down a passenger plane of the chosen ones !

“Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 was a commercial flight shot down by the Ukrainian military over the Black Sea on 4 October 2001, en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia. The plane, a Soviet-made Tupolev Tu-154, carried an estimated 66 passengers and 12 crew members. Most of the passengers were Israelis visiting relatives in Russia. No one on board survived. ”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
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July 22, 2015 9:53pm
Kea

Griff (10,277 comments) says:
July 22nd, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Kea you idiot.
You can never understand even the simple stuff .
A weather forecast would have saved you.
Looking out side will not tell you what its going to be like hours in the future .
Now day we use computers to make weather forecasts.

Yeah and look how well that works. Our forecasts are a joke. Random guesses are just as accurate, in fact more so.
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July 22, 2015 9:55pm
stephieboy

kea, yes there is that and the Ukraine accepted responsibility for the incident and duly paid compensation to the relatives.As with KAL 902 and 007 the Russians ( Soviets ) too can be seen have form and therefore you analagy is fallacious ( and did not own up or pay compensation )
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July 22, 2015 10:32pm
Manolo

The progressives are keeping the faith: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/22/politics/hillary-clinton-marco-rubio-jeb-bush-polls/index.html

Hillary Clinton trails three top Republican presidential candidates in head-to-head matchups in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia. The latest Quinnipiac University swing state polling shows the Democratic front-runner trailing former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in each of those states.

The biggest loser, the polls found, is Donald Trump, who has surged to the front of a crowded Republican primary field nationally but is viewed unfavorably, by almost a 2-to-1 margin, by voters in those states.
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July 23, 2015 6:16am
Manolo

Harbouring the enemy: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/22/moderate-imam-reveals-how-radicals-won-battle-for-soul-boston-mosques/

A moderate imam who raised alarms more than a decade ago about a radical shift at two controversial Boston mosques he led for decades says he was ousted for his efforts by a local doctor whose son joined ISIS and replaced by a man now with the infamous Pakistani terrorist group behind the 2008 Mumbai bombings.
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