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Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff 4:11pm

{Windup front}
Then its the right for children to be brought up free of their parents silly superstitions.

This is one I haven’t quite figured out. I’ve seen teens /young twenties raised with no spiritual input that have gone absolutely gaga over their first religious/new age/ spiritual encounter. Then they become “hooked”” and try converting everybody in their midst.

The one advantage of having a fairly loose religious upbringing is that once you reject the nonsense you have been exposed to, you have a well-honed bull-shit detector that soon starts ringing bells when a new priest appears on the horizon.
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July 18, 2015 4:51pm
Fletch

Why bother…..we won….you lost.

Actually, we all lost. Society lost.
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July 18, 2015 4:53pm
stigie

“Some people don’t have a screw at all”.

Have to agree with Dennis on that one, but most of us all have had loose screws in the past…?
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July 18, 2015 4:57pm
SGA

Maggy Wassilieff at 4:51 pm

The one advantage of having a fairly loose religious upbringing is that once you reject the nonsense you have been exposed to, you have a well-honed bull-shit detector that soon starts ringing bells when a new priest appears on the horizon.

My impression is that being the RE teacher at one the presbyterian/anglican/catholic integrated high schools can be a challenging task at times.
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July 18, 2015 4:59pm
nasska

Inoculation best describes it Maggy. After a little over three years of a church run boarding school I gained a lifelong immunity to the garbage. 🙂
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July 18, 2015 5:01pm
Griff

Eduction Maggy
Cures most religious urges.

It was of course a joke.
I had a close friend go totally new age.
One day his was a beer swilling, beef eating, bike riding loon.
The next he went veg head, alt med, mantra chanting, alien channeling nuts .
Its was all a woman’s fault of course.
He is now a qualified acupuncturist who wants to cure my Aspergers with needles .
Something about my chi being blocked.
I just laugh.
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July 18, 2015 5:02pm
BananaLama

Dennis Horne 4:04

He said, “Yes, but you’ve got to remember your dad is a dinosaur.”

Not everyone gets to be a Tyrannosaur.
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July 18, 2015 5:05pm
SGA

BananaLama

“He said, “Yes, but you’ve got to remember your dad is a dinosaur.””
Not everyone gets to be a Tyrannosaur.

When I first read Dennis’s comment, I wondered what sort of dinosaur he’d be – pterodactyl* was possible (they’re said to have had a lot of trouble taking off), but it seemed a little obvious. Tyrannosar? Triceratops?
*yes, I know they weren’t really dinosaurs.
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July 18, 2015 5:14pm
BananaLama

Tyrannosar? Triceratops?

One of those critters with a spiked tail?
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July 18, 2015 5:20pm
SGA

Stegosaurus, do you mean?
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July 18, 2015 5:22pm
BananaLama

that’s the one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stegosaurus#/media/File:Stegosaurus_size.svg

“it’s time to meet your father in law”
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July 18, 2015 5:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff

He is now a qualified acupuncturist who wants to cure my Aspergers with needles .

About 30 years ago my GP (Chinese) took to me with needles to cure my bout of RSI…. I figured if it made him happy, no problem.
But to prevent any reoccurrence I gave up knitting…. the RSI went away.
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July 18, 2015 5:28pm
RF

I suspect that the mother of the nation has blown her obscene $800,000.00 salary for reading the news. She is now back on with Paul Henry as a fill in.

The scary part is that she thought she was worth every cent of her salary. FFS she just read the news for about 20 minutes and for this got almost double the PMs salary.

She was doing the nursing home circuit a few years ago giving her life history to those who bothered to listen.
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July 18, 2015 5:40pm
Reid

Gay activist admits purpose of gay marriage is to destroy the institution of marriage. This is what I was explaining to you at the time we were debating it here but hardly any of you understood it because hardly any of you understand social engineering. And unless you understand that then you hallucinate that you’re giving nothing away, that nothing will change, and it will all be fine, because no-one is asking YOU to change. And this was nasska’s view and probably still is and most of you above too.

But hey, don’t take my word for it, listen to a gay activist who understands social engineering tell you what YOU gave away without a fight, a year or two ago.

https://youtu.be/n9M0xcs2Vw4
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July 18, 2015 6:22pm
Dennis Horne

But to prevent any reoccurrence I gave up knitting…. the RSI went away.

Yep, dem needles wot dun it…
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July 18, 2015 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Dennis

I cured myself…
how about my cure for you (1:28pm posting)?
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July 18, 2015 6:53pm
Jacob

Does Reid’s gay activist, lesbian Masha Gessen, “who understands social engineering” tell you what YOU gave away without a fight, a year or two ago?
Not really.
She just seems a little bemused wondering if five parents are a marriage?

Now, you say to someone you are married.
And if they aren’t very interested it remains at that – unqualified.
Otherwise you are asked: traditional or “other” marriage?
The way marriage has changed, is that another word, or several words, are now needed to define it.
Who has lost anything really, apart from an immediate clear meaning of the word marriage itself.
We are just faced now with a time wasting few seconds because the word marriage has been fucked around with.
Some are old enough to have the same problem with the word “gay” – in one of three meanings now, but which one is being meant is usually quickly apparent.
OK, now wait for the condemnation of being a sheeple
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July 18, 2015 7:01pm
Manolo

How many potential terrorists among them? http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/16/immigration-to-swell-u-s-muslim-population-to-6-2-million/
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July 18, 2015 7:02pm
nasska

Reid

Masha Gessen is a raving nut…..a total dyed in the wool freak & whether she reckons families should consist of three mummies coupling with two & half daddies & the goldfish is totally unimportant because it ain’t going to happen.

It won’t happen because anything that changes social structures 1) happens relatively slowly & 2) it’s a numbers game. No one creditable suggests that homosexuals total more than between 3-4% of the population. Then there’s the small matter that they lead comparatively promiscuous, hedonistic lives & children don’t always feature in their life plans.

From http://illinoisfamily.org/homosexuality/homosexual-activist-admits-true-purpose-of-battle-is-to-destroy-marriage/

….”Only 12 percent of homosexuals in the Netherlands marry compared to 86 percent of their heterosexual peers. Less than 20 percent of same-sex couples already living together in California married when given the chance in 2008. In contrast, 91 percent of heterosexual couples in California who are living together are married. “…..

I concede that gays & lesbians are highly antagonistic towards the church & revel in bating them at every turn yet this is hardly surprising. Let’s not forget that these same institutions were up until very recent times actively campaigning against any form of gay rights. Fifty years ago innuendo about the “beast with two backs” & fiery denouncements from the pulpit were the bread & butter sermons of the befrocked idiots who ran churches. The ill will generated will not disappear in a long time especially since so many of the Godstruck keep on with the attacks.

Should you wish have a read of my 4.34……those of us who act on the assumption that anything that pisses off Religio/conservatives is worth supporting, even if only for the humour, are why we have gay marriage.

Not the inane wish list of Ms Gessen & her ilk.
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July 18, 2015 7:04pm
Manolo

A leopard never change its spots:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-07-17-06-47-35
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July 18, 2015 7:06pm
publicwatchdog

Wellygirl – you obviously are not aware of the historical background to the Auckland ‘Supercity’?

In my view – the starting point for the Auckland Supercity, was the day of the ‘failed Mayoral coup’ – 5 September 2006 – when the four (former) City Council Mayors, Bob Harvey (Waitakere City Council), Dick Hubbard (Auckland City Council), George Wood (Manukau City Council) and George Wood (North Shore City) – all signed an’Open Letter’ to NZ (LABOUR) Prime Minister Helen Clark, calling for the abolition of the Auckland Regional Council (ARC), and it’s replacement with an Auckland ‘Supercity’.

Myself and fellow community ‘Public Watchdog’, Lisa Prager, were tipped off about this Auckland Mayoral Forum meeting in the Auckland Town Hall, we effectively ‘gate-crashed’ and disrupted this meeting, on the basis that the ‘Mayoral Forum’ was not a ‘creature of statute’ and had no lawful
right to do this, given citizens and ratepayers had a lawful right to a binding vote on any ‘reorganisation proposal’.

So – the Auckland ‘Supercity’ proposal effectively started under Labour.

( A FACT of which I shall be reminding Labour MP Phil Goff, if he chooses to stand as a
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.)

Penny Bright
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July 18, 2015 7:06pm
Dennis Horne

The problem we have with human breeding is this. It’s not natural for women and (especially) men to stay faithful yet faithfulness in marriage is important and marriage is important for rearing children.

We have devalued marriage to make homosexuals feel better about their aberrant sexual behaviour. Because make no mistake, homosexuality is biologically absurd, like paedophilia.

What we needed to be doing is reinforcing the value of marriage to society and helping people stayed married to look after their own children.

We have forgotten we are just clever apes that aren’t half as clever as we think we are. In fact, 90% are just not very bright at all.

Even so, absolutely everybody I know thinks homosexual marriage is at best a joke. Some are sickened. Even my daughter was furious we have succumbed to a few narcissistic humbuggers.

I guessed your support was an anti-religion stance, nasska. You’re not hard to read.
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July 18, 2015 7:18pm
nasska

I’m an open, if honest, book Dennis. 🙂
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July 18, 2015 7:19pm
Dennis Horne

Maggy. Sorry missed your comment and many others. Still married to the long-suffering first wife. Got her well trained though. She thinks women are bitches and Tim Hut shouldn’t have resigned. Totally supports the activists in France still fighting homosexual marriage.
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July 18, 2015 7:22pm
Dennis Horne

I’m a … book…

Thick? 🙂 🙂 🙂

PS. Where’s your mate, Johnboy? Sulking?
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July 18, 2015 7:24pm
sam green

@RF
What was obscene is that a puerile newsreader gets a label like ” mother of the nation”. Give me a break.
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July 18, 2015 7:26pm
Dennis Horne

Maggy. Yes, I understood what you said. It’s the anti-needles that cured you…
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July 18, 2015 7:28pm
nasska

…..”Where’s your mate, Johnboy? Sulking”….

Resting up Dennis. Lambing starts next month…..he finds it a very stressful time. 🙂
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July 18, 2015 7:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ DH 7:22
You’ve been more successful than I have with your spousal training.
The husband falls into your camp re homosexual marriage… its such an embarrassment.
Of course I never supported Tim Hunt’s resignation… ..I’m against the thought police holding sway in Universities.
Of course I never cried in a laboratory (nearly blew one up, tho’).
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July 18, 2015 7:31pm
Griff

In fact, 90% are just not very bright at all.
Half of you have below average intelligence.
Whats bright Dennis ?
https://assessingpsyche.wordpress.com/2014/01/26/standard-scores-in-psychological-evaluation-reports/
I am an aspie so mine at 99,9 % doesn’t count on the normie scale anyway.
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July 18, 2015 7:33pm
RF

sam green. 7.26pm. A legend in her own mind. A greedy money grubbing madam.
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July 18, 2015 7:50pm
wiseowl

While everyone argues the toss about issues that have been sorted here a thousand times I express my disgust at the suggestion that the game tonight is with Moori All Blacks.
That is palin bullshit.
There is only one All Black team and if anyone else tried to use the name the Union would be in court.
No such thing as Moori All Blacks
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July 18, 2015 7:54pm
Tauhei Notts

Now that I have had my 67th birthday I now drink Dilmah’s five times a day.
The missus told me that I must get my T levels up.
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July 18, 2015 8:05pm
Reid

It won’t happen because anything that changes social structures 1) happens relatively slowly & 2) it’s a numbers game.

nasska as I explained a million times during the gay marriage debate, they’re aiming for the 3rd generation, 60 years from now.

In other words, duh, of course I know it happens over time.

Secondly, yes it is a numbers game. But WTF do you think happens when all your grandchildren are being told from age 6 about gay sex and from age 8 about masturbation and from age 10 about how to fit a condom on a dildo when you want to have sex, which is perfectly natural, as perfectly natural as all the normal family mixes you’ve been hearing about since age six? (Except of course for the hetero mix, that’s never talked about, ever.)

Do you seriously think that’s not what’s either already happening or just a few years from happening.

You seem to hallucinate I’m an idiot, who fantasizes things into existence. Why don’t you have a look at modern society, and weep. Because its happened on your and my watch.

At least I’ve got the knowledge I tried.

WTF have you done.

In any way.
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July 18, 2015 8:22pm
RF

wiseowl. 7.54pm

So true but the limp wristed hand wringers will label you as a racist. Those poor buggers are being turned into Second class citizens getting a free ride because of their skin colour.
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July 18, 2015 8:29pm
Shawn Herles

“You seem to hallucinate I’m an idiot,”

That’s not a hallucination.

You might be right about the gay marriage issue, but only in the sense that a stopped clock is right twice a day.

The proof that you’re an idiot? Henry Makow.

I watched the neo-Nazi doco you have been pushing recently, Hellstorm. It was bullshit. A total whitewash of the Nazi regime.
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July 18, 2015 8:42pm
UglyTruth

The proof that you’re an idiot? Henry Makow.

If you think that’s proof then you’re the idiot.

Proof involves some kind or logical argument, a vague reference to you own prejudice does not constitute proof.
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July 18, 2015 8:47pm
nasska

…..” they’re aiming for the 3rd generation, 60 years from now.”…..

That’s a long way out Reid & an awful lot of water must flow under the bridge in the interim. I still reckon they’re facing an uphill battle considering their numbers.

….”your grandchildren are being told from age 6 about gay sex and from age 8 about masturbation and from age 10 about how to fit a condom on a dildo when you want to have sex”….

Mountain out of a molehill territory though I confess that I wondered what the hell was going on when our grandchildren started discussing vaginas & penises at a tender age. Turned out that most of what was being taught came under the “keeping ourselves safe” programme which I endorse fully. Aware kids make poor targets for dirty old men.

Fitting condoms properly beats STDs although it is something I would prefer to be covered by parents. Still, when you think back on the poor kids from pig ignorant families who thought that periods were a curse & babies were made in Heaven then anything is an improvement.

….”You seem to hallucinate I’m an idiot, who fantasizes things into existence.”….

You’re not an idiot Reid & I’ve never suggested that. You are however, divorced from the reality of the world of the 21st Century that our grandchildren must live in.

…..”WTF have you done”…..

Glad you asked. Everything in my power to sink the superstitious garbage that is fed to kids by religious maniacs. The mindwashing of little children by venal cranks is as low as the human race can sink.
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July 18, 2015 8:50pm
Shawn Herles

“The mindwashing of little children by venal cranks is as low as the human race can sink.”

The video I posted yesterday of a boy no more than 10 or 11 sleaze dancing to the delight of gays and “transgender” freaks is a pretty good example of liberal pro-gay “mindwashing” naaska.

Anyway, early start tomorrow so I’m off to bed. The Liberals, atheists, neo-Nazis and conspiracy nuts can argue amongst yourselves. You’re all as nutty as each other.
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July 18, 2015 9:00pm
sam green

Yeah Shawn. Much like the heterosexualisation of little girls in so called fashion shows. Jon Benet Ramsey comes to mind. I bet I could find some appalling footage of little girls dancing for uncle too. A sample of one does not make a case for your bigotry. It’s bigotry pure and simple.
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July 18, 2015 9:11pm
nasska

Exactly what harm do you think the boy sustained Shawn? It’s unlikely that he took himself along to a Gay event so it’s my guess that his mother or father were nearby. Few parents stand back & watch their children get molested so I think we can rule that out.

That leaves the possibility of mental damage but why? Homosexuality isn’t hereditary nor is it learned behaviour. Granted “twerking” is better left the pastime of teenage women with arses reminiscent of the north end of a south bound furniture truck but it’s hardly likely to bend the mind of a 10 year old boy.

“liberal pro-gay “mindwashing” ” Shawn…..I’d be more concerned if he was taking a chance on being bent over the altar table at the local RC church.
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July 18, 2015 9:11pm
nasska

….”Anyway, early start tomorrow so I’m off to bed.”….

Sleep tight Shawn…..remember all good Godwhacks wear oven gloves to bed “just in case”. 🙂
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July 18, 2015 9:17pm
Dennis Horne

Homosexuality isn’t hereditary

May be a flaw the mother inherits.

My problem with homosexuality in the abstract is the lies.

The vagina and the rectum have evolved to serve different purposes but we keep telling children it’s just a choice, like a Ford or a Holden. It’s not.

It’s an aberration, like a man thinking he’s a woman or being born with a cleft palate.
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July 18, 2015 9:42pm
sam green

Don’t like a bit of the old bum sex then Dennis?
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July 18, 2015 9:53pm
Odakyu-sen

sam,

Reminds me of the line from Michael Gambon – that he had once been homosexual but was forced to give up “because it made my eyes water.”
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July 18, 2015 10:40pm
Manolo

The multiculturalists would love NZ do the same: http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/exploding-muslim-immigration-overwhelms-fbi/

The FBI failed to stop another terror attack, this time in Chattanooga, and the pressure building on the bureau from President Obama’s reckless immigration policies may be reaching a boiling point, say security experts.

According to U.S. Census data, the U.S. welcomes about 100,000 Muslim immigrants legally each year. This represents the fastest growing segment of immigrants coming to the country.
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July 19, 2015 6:47am
Manolo

Battling for the nomination: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166006/Hillary-outdone-major-Iowa-test-Bernie-Sanders-calls-revolution-Martin-O-Malley-Clinton-partisans-feet.html
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July 19, 2015 6:49am
Shawn Herles

“the U.S. welcomes about 100,000 Muslim immigrants legally each year.”

That’s insane. Obama’s policy is to flood the US with terrorists and violent Mexican criminals, in the name of Liberal “progress”.

Morally speaking, he may as well have shot the Marines killed in Chatanooga himself.
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July 19, 2015 7:32am
Manolo

The daily act of love by the religion of peace: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166166/Iraqi-speaker-says-attack-Diyala-marketplace-sectarian.html

ISIS suicide bombers have killed 115 men, women and children as they gathered in a marketplace in eastern Iraq to mark the end of the Islamic holy month.

The extremists drove a truck loaded with explosives into the town of Khan Beni Saad on Friday evening, before they detonated the bombs and turned what should have been celebrations into a scene of horror, with body parts scattered across the market.
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