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Shawn Herles

More evidence that Obama and his cronies are morally bankrupt and evil pieces of shit.

‘No Condolences for the Government’s Collateral Damage Victims.’

“Most Americans are familiar with the name Kate Steinle, the San Francisco woman who died a terrible death July 3 when she was shot and killed by five-time deported criminal illegal alien, Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez.
Yet, while hundreds of millions in the U.S. have heard about this tragedy, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, claimed Tuesday to know nothing about it.

In an immigration-related hearing before the House Judiciary Committee on July 14, members had planned to ask Secretary Johnson if the administration intends to reverse the sanctuary city and detainer policies that led to Steinle’s untimely death. However, they didn’t get very far into the conversation.
“Has the administration reached out to the Steinle family, to your knowledge?” Rep. Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) asked Johnson.

“To who?” Johnson responded.

His response left members, staffers and the audience visibly horrified.

“To the family of the woman who was brutally murdered… this individual who had committed seven different felonies in four different states and to my understanding had been deported, kept coming back… has the administration reached out to that family?” Chabot asked again.

“I’m sorry, I don’t know the answer to that question sir,” Johnson said.

That a top U.S. security official would claim not to not know about Steinle’s death is hard to believe. It would be like President Obama not being aware of the deal his administration made with Iran this week.

But what if Johnson knew and played dumb to the congressman’s question? That is the more likely story.

The administration will only use a tragedy when it is able to further its own agenda by drawing attention to an event. If President Obama and Secretary Johnson admitted the truth – that Steinle’s death is the direct result of lax immigration policies in San Francisco, at the southern border and the interior of the country – they would have to change the very policies they put into place.

Steinle’s death is a result of the federal government’s dismantling immigration enforcement programs such as Secure Communities and replacing them with the Priority Enforcement Program, while allowing sanctuary cities not to honor requests from Immigration and Customs Enforcement to hold criminal aliens; or even notify ICE when violent felons are scheduled to be released.

That the administration won’t even express its condolences to the heartbroken Steinle family is not surprising when you understand the politics behind why she died. For the president and his team, the end goal justifies the means.”

http://immigrationreform.com/2015/07/16/no-condolences-for-the-governments-collateral-damage-victims/
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July 17, 2015 10:18am
Shawn Herles

“While that was true, he can hardly maintain that criticism while using the same sorts of low quality sites himself.”

Liar. Mike you think ANY and EVERY Right or center-Right source is low quality. Just admit it and stop pretending to be balanced.
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July 17, 2015 10:21am
Manolo

Imbecility and do-gooderism know no bouds: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163728/They-shooting-Australians-filming-documentary-series-Came-shot-Islamic-State-Syria.html

One of the stars of controversial Australian documentary Go Back To Where You Came From has revealed how she was shot at by ISIS while she taken to the Syrian front line during filming.

The three-part series aims to provoke national debate about how the public responds to asylum seekers, by sending Australians overseas to the countries from which refugees are fleeing.
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July 17, 2015 10:22am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/70275276/mother-kicked-off-bus-with-10weekold-son-on-wintry-night
*Bewley said she felt she had no other choice but to get off the bus and stand in the dark and cold.*
That’s not exactly 100% the same as being ‘kicked off’ now, is it ? Shameful tabloid style beat-up.

The other choice was to fold the pram – even if driver totally in the wrong. No choice ? Nonsense. If you’re that worried about being in the cold – you’d just do it and make the complaint etc afterwards. Wow.

And now for my really low social commentary – in NZ, catching a bus with a newborn is a good indicator of fitness for breeding.
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July 17, 2015 10:24am
dime

“So i google “Rational Wiki”. It says – Refutation and analysis of anti-science and crank ideas; essays on right wing authoritarianism and religious fundamentalism.”

Sounds impartial.

my point was milky, your arguments today have been piss weak. one line responses where you try to mock people without adding anything to the debate. it doesnt appear that you are capable of reading an opinion and considering it. youre just in a race to write some one liner.

the only thing i havent seen from you today is “show me a study that says that”. a matter of time no doubt.

youre better than this milky.
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July 17, 2015 10:25am
mikenmild

Um, I’m not a liar when I’m telling the truth, Shawn. The National Review is garbage.
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July 17, 2015 10:26am
Shawn Herles

“Priests wear dresses Shawn.”

No they don’t Griff. Priests clothing comes from Roman times and culture, and was the norm for men.

“Why dont you start your own chapter of west boro?”

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…..boring. Wake me when Liberals stop hiding behind straw men.

“Jesus said do not judge.”

He told us not to judge a persons final state in heaven or hell, he did not say this means not practicing moral discernment.

He also said that marriage is one man and one women, and that sexual immorality was wrong, so to be consistent, you would have to agree with that as well.
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July 17, 2015 10:27am
Shawn Herles

“my point was milky, your arguments today have been piss weak.”

True, but then to be fair, the arguments of every Liberal today have been piss weak.
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July 17, 2015 10:28am
Shawn Herles

“Um, I’m not a liar when I’m telling the truth, Shawn.”

You’re not telling the truth mikey, your regurgitating mindless and politically correct Left wing propaganda.

So, yes, you are lying.
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July 17, 2015 10:30am
Shawn Herles

“youre better than this milky.”

He’s really not. For all the years I have been here mikey has never deviated from his habit of sneering one line put downs of everyone on the Right and using dishonest straw men to hide his inability to defend his Leftist garbage. Never.
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July 17, 2015 10:32am
mikenmild

I’ll try harder, dime.
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July 17, 2015 10:33am
dime

“I’ll try harder, dime.”

thats all we ask milky
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July 17, 2015 10:33am
mikenmild

So, yes, you are lying.

No, you are. See, I could do this all day. If you would like to point to a specific untruth I have told, you could do that and I’ll defend what I said. Otherwise, you saying black is white will not make it white.
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July 17, 2015 10:38am
David Garrett

…Meanwhile (to save the rest of you the trouble) the headlines at the Former Journal of Record this morning include:

“Batman shooter [in Colorado] found guilty”

and

“Has John Key’s son proposed?” (to some blonde)
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July 17, 2015 10:39am
Shawn Herles

Speaking of men wearing dresses, fake boobs and denying reality.

Into the Abyss.

“The Caitlyn (née Bruce) Jenner case has engendered if not a new subject at least a newly publicized and sensationalized one. For an old-timer like myself, transgenderism is reminiscent of the postmodernism that swept the universities several decades ago. Indeed, transgenderism now looks like a more dramatic, audacious, and, it may be, perilous form of postmodernism. Like postmodernism back then, so transgenderism today is moving very far, very fast. Before it goes much further, one might look back upon its predecessor as a cautionary tale, recalling its aspirations but also its tribulations.

As postmodernism had made its way through the university deconstructing one after another of the humanities, so it now seems to be deconstructing humanity itself. The “indeterminacy” and “problematization” of the disciplines, the denial of the “fixity” and “immutability” of “texts,” indeed, the denial of any “essential reality” in the postmodernist “project” (as we now say) may be reflected in a similar denial of reality in the transgenderist project.

The transgenderist would protest that it was not a denial but precisely an affirmation of reality that was being sought, a sexual reality that had been obscured or belied by the accident of birth. To which a skeptic might reply that reality, once deconstructed, is not so easily reconstructed. The fact that transgenderism requires for its completion not only hormonal treatment but nothing less than genital surgery may induce serious second thoughts. The removal—the deconstruction, so to speak—of the very organs that define gender and enable the reproductivity that is of the essence of gender is surely a denial of reality of the greatest order.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/abyss_988122.html?page=2
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July 17, 2015 10:41am
Shawn Herles

“If you would like to point to a specific untruth I have told”

Whether you agree or disagree with it’s content, your claim that NR was not a mainstream conservative publication was a flat out lie mikey. That is a fact. You can Google the word ‘fact’ if you need to.

Lying is a piss weak way to debate mikey.

“See, I could do this all day.”

Yes, you CAN and likely WILL keep lying all day.
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July 17, 2015 10:45am
mikenmild

Makes sense, Shawn, if you believe that physical form must always indicate gender. Many, many people disagree with that proposition, however.
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July 17, 2015 10:48am
Michael

Padriv
For your information sections aren’t houses.
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July 17, 2015 10:49am
mikenmild

Whether a specific journal is a ‘mainstream conservative publication’ or wingnut nonsense is surely a matter of opinion, rather than objective truth.
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July 17, 2015 10:51am
Shawn Herles

Hillary Clinton Fired For Lies, Unethical Behavior.

“As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying.

The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.

Why?

“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/06/14/hillary-clinton-fired-for-lies-unethical-behavior/

LIBERALS LIE.

Back later. If anyone would like to keep a tab on the number of lies and straw men mikey trots out today we could see how many he manages in a single day.

Could be a long list. 🙂
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July 17, 2015 10:51am
wellygirl

On yesterday’s GD I posted the below:

“Penny, I have a genuine question, and would appreciate it if you answered and didn’t ignore it. I wasn’t around here in 2008, so do not know what you were posting on.

Did you put as much effort into campaigning/protesting against the FTA with China in 2007/2008 as you are with the TPPA now?”

Penny still hasn’t responded, which leads to me asking these questions:

Penny, what have you got to hide? Could it be that you supported the China FTA and are only against the TPPA because of your irrational hatred of John Key? Aren’t you really just being personal and (trying to be) spiteful, because you feel somewhat aggrieved against the Government for some perceived wrong? Could it be you are just acting like a 3 year old, disagreeing with something – not because it is wrong, but because you don’t like the people involved?
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July 17, 2015 11:02am
dime

“Whether a specific journal is a ‘mainstream conservative publication’ or wingnut nonsense is surely a matter of opinion, rather than objective truth.”

*shakes head*
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July 17, 2015 11:15am
AgentBallSack

Fuck this place needs a daily Religious Nutter thread. Trawling through screed after screed of religious argument gets bloody tiring.
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July 17, 2015 11:18am
Shawn Herles

Almost forgot.

Evidence of mike not only being a serial liar, but one who is despicable enough to slander DPF with lies, is right here.

“mikenmild (14,172 comments) says:
May 18th, 2015 at 5:17 pm

Getting used to DPF shilling for big tobacco I guess by now. Absolutely agree that the gandiosely-named New Zealand Initiative is simply trotting out a plain old slippery-slope fallacy.

[DPF: Strike 1]”
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July 17, 2015 11:19am
Manolo

Personality cult Mao or Fidel would be proud of: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-office-brooklyn-inside-look-120230.html
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July 17, 2015 11:25am
Fletch

I havent been to stuff today, i assume though there is an article about how its “OK” to be an obese female? probably next to an article about magic mikes abs..

Well, the U.S has spent $3.5 million of taxpayer money to find out why lesbians are fat. I don’t know why it is important that we know the answer….

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has now spent over $3.5 million to determine why the majority of lesbians are obese.

The project, now entering its fifth year, received another grant worth $658,485 this summer. The total funding for the research is now $3,531,925. Funding has more than doubled since the study was first revealed in 2013.

Since, the study that is examining why three-quarters of lesbians are obese, but gay men are not, has survived sequester cuts, and continues to produce results such as the discovery that gay men have a “greater desire for toned muscles” than straight men.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/taxpayers-have-now-spent-3-5-million-to-find-out-why-lesbians-are-obese/
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July 17, 2015 11:47am
stephieboy

An excellent item by Paul Thomas on the Republicans now largely driven by a bunch of moon bat Evangelical Christian fundamentalist candidates baying for a military show down in the Middle East. Not only boots on the ground in Iraq / Syria but of course now Iran,

The greatest threat to America? Republicans

“…..Fittingly, given that the Republicans are now essentially a party of religious fundamentalism, their candidates are partly taking their lead from Zionist Israel and Wahhabist Saudi Arabia who are terrified – hopefully with good reason – that the Iran deal foreshadows a seismic realignment which reduces their malign influence on US Middle East policy.
But their kneejerk denunciations also signal a frightening abandonment of diplomacy as a means of defusing tension, avoiding conflict and managing international affairs. The mindset seems to be that diplomacy should be reserved for friendly nations with whom you have interests in common. That they remain disposed towards armed intervention which has accelerated rather than suppressed Islamic militancy shouldn’t come as a surprise since persisting with policies that achieve the exact opposite of what was intended is something of an American speciality.
The takeover of American conservatism by evangelical Christianity, Fox News and a handful of shadowy billionaires has transformed the Republicans into the party of wilful ignorance: doctrinal purity is more valued than intelligence; tolerance has been supplanted by persecutory moralising; paranoia has replaced realism.
This process may be reaching its logical conclusion with the emergence of property billionaire Donald Trump as the front-runner for the party’s presidential nomination.
Trump personifies everything the rest of the world despises about America: casual racism, crass materialism, relentless self-aggrandisement, vulgarity on an epic scale. He is the Ugly American in excelsis… “

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11482176
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July 17, 2015 11:54am
Fletch

stephieboy, I would say that the very first Republicans – the party that abolished slavery and, much later, ended racial segregation – were just as Christian (if not moreso) than Republicans are today.
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July 17, 2015 11:58am
stephieboy

Fletch , it was JFK who introduced the Civil Rights Act and his brother Bobby as well as Lyndon Johnson who passed it into legalisation that ended segregation ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party

The following Lesbians and bis are hardly what you would call obese,

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/famouslesbians/tp/FamousLesbians.02.htm

And how does the alleged claim compare with incidence in the straight and general population I wonder ??

And if it were true what does it prove ?
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July 17, 2015 12:03pm
kowtow

“Your repeated use of “fuck off” just displays a lack of morals and your inability to discuss matters rationally.”

Yeah, yeah, fuck off.
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July 17, 2015 12:05pm
Fletch

A little history –

May 17, 1954 Chief Justice Earl Warren, three-term Republican Governor (CA) and Republican vice presidential nominee in 1948, wins unanimous support of Supreme Court for school desegregation in Brown v. Board of Education.

November 25, 1955 Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel.

March 12, 1956 Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation.

June 5, 1956 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law.

October 19, 1956 On campaign trail, Vice President Richard Nixon vows: “American boys and girls shall sit, side by side, at any school – public or private – with no regard paid to the color of their skin. Segregation, discrimination, and prejudice have no place in America”.

November 6, 1956 African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President.

September 9, 1957 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act.

September 24, 1957 Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools.

June 23, 1958 President Dwight Eisenhower meets with Martin Luther King and other African-American leaders to discuss plans to advance civil rights.

February 4, 1959 President Eisenhower informs Republican leaders of his plan to introduce 1960 Civil Rights Act, despite staunch opposition from many Democrats.

May 6, 1960 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats.

July 27, 1960 At Republican National Convention, Vice President and eventual presidential nominee Richard Nixon insists on strong civil rights plank in platform.

May 2, 1963 Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights.

June 1, 1963 Democrat Governor George Wallace announces defiance of court order issued by Republican federal judge Frank Johnson to integrate University of Alabama.

September 29, 1963 Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School.

June 9, 1964 Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate.

June 10, 1964 Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirkson, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

June 20, 1964 The Chicago Defender, renowned African-American newspaper, praises Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) for leading passage of 1964 Civil Rights Act.

March 7, 1965 Police under the command of Democrat Governor George Wallace attack African-Americans demonstrating for voting rights in Selma, AL.

March 21, 1965 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson authorizes Martin Luther King’s protest march from Selma to Montgomery, overruling Democrat Governor George Wallace.

August 4, 1965 Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose.

August 6, 1965 Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor.

July 8, 1970 In special message to Congress, President Richard Nixon calls for reversal of policy of forced termination of Native American rights and benefits.

Yeh, Dems have always been in favour of Civil Rights [sarcasm off]
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July 17, 2015 12:15pm
stephieboy

Fletch , who initiated and worked hard behind the scenes to pass the Civil Rights Act 1964 ?

Am glad you mention C J Earl Warren a Republican appointee and to to your undoubted discomfort a detested Liberal !

The Republicans did have strong progressive and liberal element but that is sadly lacking today by a party hijacked by religious fundamentalists and the Tea Party loons.
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July 17, 2015 12:20pm
Shawn Herles

“An excellent item by Paul Thomas on the Republicans now largely driven by a bunch of moon bat Evangelical Christian fundamentalist candidates baying for a military show down in the Middle East. Not only boots on the ground in Iraq / Syria but of course now Iran,”

So, total bollocks then.

The greatest threat to America is Obama’s army of illegal immigrant murderers and child rapists, and those Liberals who support Obama and Hillary.
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July 17, 2015 12:25pm
Shawn Herles

Obama has thrown Israel under the bus by giving Iranians a free hand to buy and make weapons that will be aimed at Israel, which is not surprising given the number of Jew haters in the Democratic party.

Obama’s do nothing approach to ISIS is also insane. In order to defeat ISIS, we need boots on the ground, that is just basic commonsense.
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July 17, 2015 12:28pm
Shawn Herles

Here are 1,120 well sourced examples of Obama’s lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc.

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
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July 17, 2015 12:30pm
Shawn Herles

Thanks Obama, yet more Americans dead on your watch, and what a surprise, it’s a Muslim immigrant.

“Four Marines were killed Thursday in shootings at a pair of military facilities in Tennessee by a gunman who is being investigated for possible ties to Islamist terror groups, U.S. law enforcement officials said.

The shooter, identified by the FBI as Mohammad Abdulazeez, 24, of Hixson, Tenn., was killed at the conclusion of a rampage that also left a Chattanooga police officer and an additional member of the U.S. military wounded”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/shooting-in-chattanooga-being-investigated-for-terrorism-link/2015/07/16/6fc09b3e-2bf7-11e5-a250-42bd812efc09_story.html
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July 17, 2015 12:34pm
dime

” party hijacked by religious fundamentalists and the Tea Party loons.”

as opposed to the morons on the other side. the party of gays, dykes, feminists, communists, socialists and general no hopers who want free shit for everyone not smart enough to make it. not forgetting they want to punish white males and the “rich”

isnt all of this name calling and labeling helpful! shuts down any real debate when you can just dismiss an entire party eh
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July 17, 2015 12:36pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles, oh dear you do have a problem your posting diarrhoea spewing forth your rabid right GOP tiresome base BS.

Apart from canning the Iran deal what form of boots on the ground in the Middle East do you and the GOP purpose apart from empty rhetoric .

And what would you and the rabid GOP do on learning that the Sunni Saudis are supporting the Sunni ISIS ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html
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July 17, 2015 12:36pm
Shawn Herles

While Obama refuses to deal with ISIS directly overseas, the threat to Americans grows.

“TSA Warns of Possible ISIS Attack on U.S. Soil”

“The warning appears significant in that it demonstrates that the U.S. intelligence community is now taking seriously the potential of ISIS to attack targets on U.S. soil, something the group has not yet done. ISIS has made broad threats against the United States in the past, but up to now, ISIS attacks on U.S. targets have been limited to Americans in Iraq and Syria.”

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/25/u-s-intel-community-warns-isis-attack-u-s-soil/
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July 17, 2015 12:37pm
Shawn Herles

“stephieboy, oh dear you do have a problem your posting diarrhoea spewing forth your rabid liberal left Democrat tiresome base BS.”

There, fixed it for you. 🙂

“Apart from canning the Iran”

And saving Israel in the process, proof that you and the Dems are fickle friends of Israel at best.

“what form of boots on the ground in the Middle East do you and the GOP purpose apart from empty rhetoric.”

Unlike you and your false messiah, we propose sending enough troops to end ISIS quickly and permanently.

I understand though that Obama is too busy ignoring Kathryn Seincle’s death and writing love letters to criminals he has released from prison.
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July 17, 2015 12:39pm
stephieboy

Shawn Hereles,

At least Obama understand that the situation in the ME is complex and nuanced as Saudi and other Sunni Gulf sates support for ISSIS covert or otherwise ) demonstrates and want be solved by a full invasion and occupation of both iraq and Iran as you and the rabid GOP right yearn for !
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July 17, 2015 12:46pm
Shawn Herles

“At least Obama understand that the situation in the ME”

No, he really doesn’t.

“the ME is complex and nuanced”

Bullshit, that’s an excuse for doing nothing.

“and want be solved by a full invasion and occupation of both iraq and Iran as you and the rabid GOP right yearn for !”

More lying stephie? Shame on you. Dealing with Iran would not require a full invasion and occupation, or even an invasion at all, and NO GOP CANDIDATE HAS SUGGESTED DOING SO.

If you have to tell lies to make your case stephie, it proves you don’t have a case to make.

Obama and stephieboy sitting in a tree, L.Y.I.N.G.
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July 17, 2015 12:50pm
Griff

kowtow
You really are a sad case of an idiot without a clue.
or argument.
or even any rational thought.
I will not tell you to fuck off
As you make the conservonutters look like a bunch of hypocritical loons.

PS Don’t forget to tell all about your foul mouth when you next partake in magically created zombie bits with your local pedo in a dress.
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July 17, 2015 1:00pm
Manolo

Despite of his sycophancy, almost blind faith towards Obama, stephieboy must be one of the few people who believe the incompetent Messiah understands the M.E. In fact, the annointed one cannot be trusted in his dealings with israel. Not at all.
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July 17, 2015 1:02pm
Shawn Herles

Michelle Obama: Whiny Liberal nutjob.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/michelle-obama-cries-racism-after-this-happened-at-a-target-must-read/

And a racist.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/michelle-obama-just-said-something-incredibly-racist-at-the-bet-awards-not-classy/
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July 17, 2015 1:04pm
Manolo

A “lone-wolf”, an Islamic “lone-wolf” to be precise: http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/16/read-chattanooga-shooter-s-blog.html

The killer of four U.S. Marines in Chattanooga maintained a short-lived blog that hinted at his religious inner life. Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez’s blog had only two posts, both published July 13 and written in a popular style of Islamic religious reasoning.

Another follower of the religion of peace who decided to kill people around him.
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July 17, 2015 1:07pm
Shawn Herles

“with your local pedo in a dress.”

Wow, you’re really crawling into the gutter today Griff.

The vast majority of RC priests are not pedos, and of those few that were, almost all were homosexuals with a thing for young boys, like the ones engaging in sexual dancing with and perving at the young boy in the video I posted, AT A GAY RIGHTS MARCH.

And who supports these sickos getting their hands on more underage boys? Liberals like you who support gay rights.
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July 17, 2015 1:08pm
Don the Kiwi

Juat for Stephieboi.

He would have argued against the allies fighting WW II

Read and learn these wise words of Winston Churchill

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
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July 17, 2015 1:10pm
mikenmild

How do the Republicans propose to deal with Iran, Shawn?
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July 17, 2015 1:12pm
Shawn Herles

“How do the Republicans propose to deal with Iran, Shawn?”

You could Google the issue and find out mikey. I would answer you, but I have long since learned that when you ask a question you’re not interested in the answer.
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July 17, 2015 1:20pm
Shawn Herles

Gay Activists in Germany Silent on Alliance with Pedophile Rights Groups.

“In July 1981, the gay interest magazine “Rosa Flieder” published an interview with Olaf Stüben. Stüben was one of the most infamous pedophiles in Germany at the time. As a writer for the leftist newspaper Die Tageszeitung, he openly advocated for people to accept pedophilia as healthy and moral.

In the magazine interview, Stüben is asked why it should be acceptable for adults to have sex with children and youths. He talks of quickies with young boys, and declares it backwards to maintain the taboo around inappropriately touching children. “Childlike innocence is an invention of the bourgeoisie of early capitalism,” Stüben says.

The interview in “Rosa Flieder” was not a one-off lapse. On the contrary — in the 1970s and 80s, numerous gay-oriented magazines brazenly promoted sex with children, even running pictures of naked boys. The magazine “Don” presented five sympathetic reports on the experiences of pedophilic men. The headline read, “We’re not child rapists!”

In recent months, many in Germany have been discussing the extent to which the Green Party in the 1980s allowed itself to be manipulated by pedophiles. The party came under such intense pressure that it hired political scientist Franz Walter to look into its own history relating to the issue.

Yet it’s now clear that the gay movement in Germany must also come to terms with this chapter of its history. Anyone who searches through archives can find ample evidence of the alliance between gay rights organizations and pedophile activists. If pedophiles got into trouble with the law, they could rely on legal advice from a group called “Gay Lawyers.” Many politicians in the Green Party also made sure that calls for legalizing sex with children had an audience.

Many gays didn’t want to be the ones to judge others for their deviant sexual inclinations. In a climate of general tolerance, the movement lost its moral compass. The gay movement did not distance itself from men who acted on their desire for children; rather, it took them under its wing.

Then there was the remarkable idea that underage boys should not be denied the chance to have sexual experiences with grown men. Even today, the Association of Lesbians and Gays in Germany (LSVD) claims on its website that in the 1980s, the only men who spoke up were those who had enjoyed sex with adults in their youth.

For the pedophiles, the alliance with the gay movement was nothing but beneficial. They had a platform from which they could formulate objectives.

The gay movement helped pedophiles in entirely practical ways. In the pamphlet “Justly gay. Legal advice for gays,” there is a one-and-a-half page “argumentation aid.” It’s an instruction on how men who are charged with child sexual abuse can best escape punishment.”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/gay-activists-in-germany-silent-on-alliance-with-pedophiles-in-1980s-a-919119.html
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July 17, 2015 1:23pm
wiseowl

Anyone here ‘gender diverse’?

There’s an option to cater for you with Department of Stats new policy.

We are a wonderful country.
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July 17, 2015 1:27pm
mikenmild

I’ve been googling, Shawn, but I can’t find that the Republicans have any actual proposals for stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons. They seem to be agreed that the administration has struck a bad deal, but have no specific policies with which to replace that deal.
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July 17, 2015 1:49pm
dime

“I’ve been googling, Shawn, but I can’t find that the Republicans have any actual proposals for stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons. They seem to be agreed that the administration has struck a bad deal, but have no specific policies with which to replace that deal.”

so that means Obamas solution must be good? interesting logic.
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July 17, 2015 2:04pm
Manolo

Delaying the inevitable: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/16/el-erian-greek-deal-only-prolongs-the-inevitable.html

Despite the new rescue package, there’s still a strong risk that Greece will eventually have to drop the euro, influential economist Mohamed El-Erian said Thursday.

“The baseline scenario is still that Greece ultimately exits the euro zone,” he said.
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July 17, 2015 2:06pm
mikenmild

I’m not sure that it’s a good solution, dime, but it might well be the only practical one in the circumstances. What commentary I have seen suggests there are two other options – war or continued sanctions. I don’t think anyone is advocating for the US to start another war in the region. Continuing the sanctions might not be supported by the other parties to the agreement, Russia, etc. I guess the deal could be renegotiated, but what leverage does the US have to secure a better deal?
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July 17, 2015 2:10pm
kowtow

Re shooting Marines.

Will the left now call for a ban on all Islamic symbols in the public space?
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July 17, 2015 2:10pm
mikenmild

I think a ban on all religious symbols in public spaces could be helpful. Would that do?
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July 17, 2015 2:12pm
Manolo

Is he a follower of Mohammad? 🙂 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164018/Ten-year-old-girl-gives-birth-complaining-stomach-ache-school-Brazil.html
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July 17, 2015 2:14pm
wikiriwhis business

Mick McCrohon

I wonder what the relationship between John Key and Tim Groser is .
After all John Key actually used the GCSB to spy on applicants for the job of President of the World Trade Organisation that Groser was trying to get..Groser failed to get the US$700,000 per year job and John Key failed to employ ethics.
Why would Key risk using the country’s military security agency to spy on “applicants for the job” ? Terrorist ? I don’t think Key could even sell that excuse to the public !
It makes me wonder on whose behalf was Key spying for ? Groser’s ? Really ? That being said Groser has a curious ability to committed acts that some might say demanded his removal from office with impunity .

For example : “it was revealed Mr Groser charged at least $1469 against taxpayer funded credit cards for alcohol purchases since becoming a minister in November 2008.

Mr Groser racked up a minibar bill of $466 in one week at The Square hotel during the Copenhagen climate change conference in December. This included five $92 bottles of Famous Grouse whisky.

He has defended the spending as being “squarely within” the rules.”

or :” Mr Groser was reprimanded by Mr Key’s office last month after a complaint was received about heavy drinking among his trade delegation on a flight back from Dubai.”

and my personal favourite : “National leader John Key has accepted MP Tim Groser’s word that he did not smoke cannabis in Jakarta while he was New Zealand ambassador there in the mid-90s.

Mr Groser has admitted smoking cannabis, but rejects claims by his former wife, Milda Emza, that he smoked on the job.”

With such form some might even consider him a dubious character to be negotiating our collective futures in near total secrecy !

But I digress …so I will finish with the question I started with …”I wonder what the relationship between John Key and Tim Groser is .”

ref.http://www.stuff.co.nz/…/Minister-on-spot-again-for-alcohol…

ref.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm…
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July 17, 2015 2:15pm
Manolo

The Queen will overcome these small difficulties, won’t she? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163411/AP-GfK-Poll-Clintons-standing-falls-Democrats.html

The survey offers a series of warning signs for the leading Democratic candidate. Most troubling, perhaps, for her prospects are questions about her compassion for average Americans, a quality that fueled President Barack Obama’s two White House victories.

Just 39% of all Americans have a favorable view of Clinton, compared to nearly half who say they have a negative opinion of her, an 8%increase in her unfavorable rating from an AP-GfK poll conducted at the end of April.
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July 17, 2015 2:19pm
mikenmild

I thought this was a nice story:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/last-post-first-light/70100378/previously-unmarked-wwi-soldiers-grave-now-restored-descendants-sought
It would be nice to see his medal go back to the family.
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July 17, 2015 2:27pm
dime

“I guess the deal could be renegotiated, but what leverage does the US have to secure a better deal?”

with a Pussy President the US’ leverage isn’t what it should be.

Dime says continues sanctions and see what happens after the election. Hearing the words “President Bush” may make Iran rethink what they are up to..

As for not starting another war – Obama is happy to send drones into any country he wants. He’s done Syria, hes doing the Isis thing..

Has any other winner of the Nobel Peace Prize killed as many brown people as Obama?
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July 17, 2015 2:31pm
mikenmild

Continuing the sanctions would probably just accelerate Iran’s progress towards nuclear weapons. Their programme is their trump card in trying to get the sanctions lifted. Anyway, I’m not sure the sanctions would still be viable if only the US is prepared to continue with them.

Drones? What targets would they attack?
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July 17, 2015 2:35pm
stephieboy

dime, for your information drone warfare predates the Obama administration,

The CIA began using them in 2002 Afghanistan ,

http://www.iar-gwu.org/node/144
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July 17, 2015 2:50pm
wellygirl

“Why would Key risk using the country’s military security agency to spy…”

Ahem, showing your ignorance with that one line. GCSB is not a military security agency.

As for the rest, GCSB collect foreign intelligence in New Zealand’s national interest – what about Groser being head of WTO is not in NZ’s national interest? And why is collecting intelligence on foreign nationals in line for the job wrong? Do you seriously believe the other nations weren’t collecting intelligence on Groser? If you do you are seriously naïve.
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July 17, 2015 2:50pm
Manolo

Lula, former Left-wing unionist and Brazilian president, investigated for corruption: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33562055

Prosecutors in Brazil have opened a formal investigation into allegations of influence-peddling by the former president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. The inquiry centres on whether Mr Lula had used his connections overseas improperly to help the Brazilian construction giant, Oderbrecht.
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July 17, 2015 2:53pm
dime

“dime, for your information drone warfare predates the Obama administration,” – LMAO oh ok, so no worries then. keep killing as many brown people as you like Obama!

“Continuing the sanctions would probably just accelerate Iran’s progress towards nuclear weapons. Their programme is their trump card in trying to get the sanctions lifted. Anyway, I’m not sure the sanctions would still be viable if only the US is prepared to continue with them.”

do you have a study that tells me they will accelerate? any proof?? come on, give me a link so i can discredit it 🙂

the yanks have the capability. hell, just give the bunker busters to the israelis and let them do it. worst case? arabs no longer like israel!

” Anyway, I’m not sure the sanctions would still be viable if only the US is prepared to continue with them.”

what does that mean? viable? economically? or you dont think the US navy can enforce? lol
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July 17, 2015 2:55pm
stephieboy

dime, but it’s Ok for GWB to,do so in Iraq 2003 -2008 ?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/war-in-iraq-begins

and,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7iorfwcmeY
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July 17, 2015 2:58pm
igm

2-Cheap Autos: Stand strong, time we started acting like adults in this country, though anyone with ridiculous headgear seems to be able to manipulate media with the help of Gutless Little’s union, maybe thinking there is some political capital to be made. Makes one resolute in giving these types a wide berth when there are jobs available, as is their claims of racism over our club rules as well.
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July 17, 2015 3:04pm
Shawn Herles

Prominent atheist: What’s wrong with a little “mild pedophilia”?

“Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, has a message for you scolds out there: Stop getting so worked up over “mild” adult-on-child sexual abuse. After all, he asserts, it doesn’t inflict any “lasting harm” upon the victim recipient. Really, who needs God when we have Dawkins’ finely-tuned moral compass to guide our values?”

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/09/11/prominent-atheist-whats-wrong-with-a-little-mild-pedophilia/comment-page-1/

Richard Dawkins, World-Renowned Atheist, Slammed By Abuse Victim Advocates For Downplaying Pedophilia

http://www.medicaldaily.com/richard-dawkins-world-renowned-atheist-slammed-abuse-victim-advocates-downplaying-pedophilia-256400

Remember those bus adverts Dawkins promoted saying “There is Probably No God, Now Stop Worrying and Enjoy Your Life”?

Perhaps if Dawkins had been more honest, he would have promoted the message “There is Probably No God, Now Stop Worrying and Enjoy Some Children.”
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July 17, 2015 3:11pm
stephieboy

MH17 anniversary: One year has passed since MH17 was shot down, killing all 298 people on board,

” On board MH17, 283 passengers were finishing their meal, reading a book, watching a movie or dozing, and its 15 crew drawing breath, while flying over territory that most probably were unaware was being torn apart by civil war….”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-anniversary-one-year-has-passed-since-mh17-was-shot-down-killing-all-298-people-on-board-20150716-gidnz4.html#ixzz3g7ALmiE1

It has inspired some weird theories including from the rebels that the bodies were planted in M17 . To date the theory prompted by RT , Sputnik , Global Research of a Ukraine Su 25 intercept has now even been discounted by even Russian media. Beyond doubt it was a BUK missile that was responsible for the downing.

A terrible aviation tragedy !

The Dutch Safety Board ‘s final report due out in October.

I do recall here on KB people that time , especially conspiracy theorists, were jumping up and down rushing to judgement blaming the Ukraine, Israel and the US .
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July 17, 2015 3:15pm
stephieboy

This what I posted last year about the downing of M17,

stephieboy (6,241 comments) says:
July 18th, 2014 at 7:58 am

How pathetic in this time of tragedy and grief for the loved ones of the 295 on board we have the likes of EAD hysterically rushing to judgment laughably likening it to Sarajevo 1914 that ignited WW I.And of course it has to be all the marks of a false flag attack .
By whom.? Will our Conspiracy Theorists blame naturally the Jews,Mossad and the CIA.?

It’s to early to rush to judgement but a plausible scenario is a rouge missile fired for a sophisticated launcher present in the vicinity.Launched by those who did not have the proper training to operate it.It was in the vicinity at the time of the crash.
But our thoughts should go out to the 295 on board and their loved ones but that can’t stop the crazies like EAD jumping to their insane conclusions and theories.
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July 17, 2015 3:36pm
dime

stephieboy – W. didnt get the fucking nobel peace prize.

W. faced a huge backlash. protests in the streets. a media who wouldnt shut up about it.

Obama bombs someone = crickets chirping and lefties banging on about “Faux news”.

just admit it, your guy is a piece of shit like the rest of em
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July 17, 2015 3:38pm
Shawn Herles

How Israel Might Destroy Iran’s Nuclear Program

“The Vienna deal has been signed and likely will soon be ratified, which raises the question: Will any government intervene militarily to stop the nearly inevitable Iranian nuclear buildup? Obviously it will not be the American or Russian governments or any of the other four signatories. Practically speaking, the question comes down to Israel, where a consensus holds that the Vienna deal makes an Israeli attack more likely. But no one outside the Israeli security apparatus, including myself, knows its intentions.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/421244/israel-destory-iran-nuclear-program
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July 17, 2015 3:38pm
Shawn Herles

One of Stephie’s friends.

“According to one University of Wisconsin professor, presidential candidate Scott Walker and mass-murdering dictator Adolf Hitler are so similar that it’s actually “terrifying.”

Walker announced that he’d be running for president on Monday. For the record, his vision for America sounded significantly different from Hitler’s for Nazi Germany.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421196/professor-scott-walker-terrifying-similarities-hitler
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July 17, 2015 3:42pm
Shawn Herles

Obama’s ISIS strategy “A mess”

President Obama laid out “a mighty ambitious goal” when he said he would destroy the Islamic State, and thus far his strategy has been ineffective, says the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward. “This is a mess,” he said on Fox News Sunday. “Obama’s clearly gone through a wake-up call — he’s got to come up with something to do here.” One way to clean up the “mess” would be for the president and Congress to come together and develop a coherent strategy, he said. Otherwise, “we’re in for a calamity,” Woodward warned.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/390125/woodward-isis-strategy-mess-andrew-johnson
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July 17, 2015 3:44pm
cha

Read more at:

Oh look, miracle boy cites chickenhawk.

Pipes firmly supported the Vietnam War, but not enough to enlist or submit to the draft.

I believe the technical term is “chickenhawk.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20051203015115/http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/11/clogged_pipes_1.php
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July 17, 2015 3:55pm
Reid

https://youtu.be/Pfo5gPG72KM
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July 17, 2015 3:56pm
Shawn Herles

After 911 there were no more terrorist attacks on American soil while Bush was President.

There have been five since Obama took office.

“Congressman: ‘Five Jihadists Have Reached Their Targets in the United States Under Barack Obama'”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congressman-five-jihadists-have-reached-their-targets-united-states-under-barack-obama_719094.html

If we add all those like Kathryn Steinle who have been murdered by illegal immigrants as a direct result of Obama’s policies then it is clear that US citizens are not safe while he holds office. How many more will have to die while Obama pursues patently stupid liberal policies? How much American blood dies he want?
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July 17, 2015 4:10pm
mikenmild

dime
I’ll have a crack at providing links to opinions that the contniuation of sanctions would just encourage Iran to continue nuclear weapons development. Seems straightforward and logical enough to me.

As for enforcing sanctions, do you really think a naval blockade would cut off a supply of Russian arms and technology?
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July 17, 2015 4:11pm
mikenmild

Dawkins on the alleged endorsement of pedophilia:

Should I have lied and said it was the worst thing that ever happened to me? Should I have mendaciously sought the sympathy due to a victim who had truly been damaged for the rest of his life? Should I have named the offending teacher and called down posthumous disgrace upon his head? No, no and no. To have done so would have been to belittle and insult those many people whose lives really were blighted and cursed, perhaps by year-upon-year of abuse by a father or other person who was deeply important in their life. … To excuse pedophiliac assaults in general, or to make light of the horrific experiences of others, was a thousand miles from my intention.
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July 17, 2015 4:13pm
dime

“As for enforcing sanctions, do you really think a naval blockade would cut off a supply of Russian arms and technology?”

didnt Obama bankrupt them recently? ruskies always back down. even to the wimp president
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July 17, 2015 4:18pm
cha

After 911 there were no more terrorist attacks on American soil while Bush was President.

Because the 2001 anthrax attacks, Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, the belltway snipers, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, Naveed Afzal Haq……

Idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2000s
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July 17, 2015 4:19pm
Scott Chris

Fraggle (155 comments) says:
July 17th, 2015 at 9:04 am
mm 9.00am
Culture will change over time regardless of immigration.

What drives that change if effects of immigration excluded?

Secular education or lack thereof.
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July 17, 2015 4:20pm
mikenmild

For starters, I thought this was a balanced analysis of the sanctions question
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2014/01/7-iran-sanctions-nuclear-deal-myths
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July 17, 2015 4:22pm
Scott Chris

Dennis Horne (3,604 comments) says:
July 17th, 2015 at 9:21 am
mikenmild. What a lot of twaddle you talk. I’m just an animal trying to protect my territory and my group.

I don’t agree with being recolonised but of course I would sell my house to the highest bidder.

One day we will wake up and New Zealand won’t be ours.

The Maoris lived under bracken eating the roots; most losing their teeth at 30-35 and dying. Wouldn’t be any different today if they had never been ‘discovered’.

Heck Dennis, if it’s good enough for the Maori to be taken over by a more successful culture then surely the same applies to us being taken over by the Chinese using that same logic? (not that I think it will happen but the idea that it’s okay to take over a culture for its own good doesn’t really wash with me)
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July 17, 2015 4:26pm
mikenmild

This one is mainly about how Congress might address the issue but notes that

Tehran would likely cite new sanctions as
justification for walking away from the deal and resuming
its nuclear program, and collapse of the agreement would
be widely blamed on the United States.

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/perspectives/PE100/PE139/RAND_PE139.pdf

And this is from a more lefty source:

It is also important to keep in mind the alternatives, or lack of alternatives, to this diplomatic solution: 1) we bomb Iran, 2) we implement new sanctions on Iran, or 3) we do nothing. U.S. intelligence does not think Iran is currently seeking nuclear weapons. Walking away from the negotiations leaves three terrible options that might encourage Iran to race for the bomb.

Our best option for a nuclear weapons free Iran is not to trust, but to verify, that Iran is complying with its side of the deal. Even if Iran cheats, with the deal, we’ll know far more about Iran’s nuclear activities than we do now. And that will mean that all of the alternatives—including the least desirable, military action—will be more effective.

http://winwithoutwar.org/facts-iran-deal/
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July 17, 2015 4:30pm
Scott Chris

ciaron (1,752 comments) says:
July 17th, 2015 at 9:28 am
What did you think about what the video showed?

kinda wish you’d attached some sort of warning to it….

I haven’t watched the video but I’m guessing that Shawn’s attempting to conflate liberalism with child sexualization which amounts to the same kind of brainless conflation of Christian Fundamentalism with incestuous child abuse:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/16/the-duggars-tlc-reality-show-19-kids-and-counting-is-officially-canceled/
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July 17, 2015 4:39pm
Scott Chris

It describes itself as “America’s most widely read and influential magazine and web site for conservative news, commentary, and opinion.”

Lol, well you probably describe yourself as a mainstream conservative.

But you aren’t mainstream Shawn. You’re a radicalised religious nutter.
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July 17, 2015 4:48pm
Shawn Herles

“well you probably describe yourself as a mainstream conservative.”

In US terms I am.

“But you aren’t mainstream Shawn. You’re a radicalised religious nutter.”

Atheists make up about 2% of the entire global population. How mainstream is that? And if we take Dawkin’s little cult of militant atheist nutters alone, that’s even less mainstream! Let alone that he is a pedophilia advocate.

Oh yeah, atheist pedophilia advocates are soooo mainstream! 🙂

Hoist with your own petard! 🙂
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July 17, 2015 4:56pm
Shawn Herles

“I haven’t watched the video”

Then do so, otherwise you’re just spewing verbal diarrhoea.
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July 17, 2015 4:57pm
Scott Chris

Prominent atheist: What’s wrong with a little “mild pedophilia”?

Oh stop being wilfully stupid Shawn.

Dawkins was making the point that the standards by which society judged peoples’ actions in his childhood are no longer the standards we hold today.

If you weren’t such a blind zealot you’d realise that morality has improved.
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July 17, 2015 5:00pm
Scott Chris

In US terms I am.

Rubbish. The majority of Americans support gay marriage and dope legalisation.
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July 17, 2015 5:01pm
mikenmild

I note Shawn didn’t deny being a radicalised religious nutter. Well, how could he?
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July 17, 2015 5:03pm
Scott Chris

Oh yeah, atheist pedophilia advocates are soooo mainstream! 🙂

Hoist with your own petard! 🙂

What the fuck are you raving about?
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July 17, 2015 5:03pm
Griff

Shawn seems to be having a melt down back towards the extremism of lee001 Scott C.

History will judge Obama.
No doubt not as badly as the war monger who royally fucked the middle east before him.
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July 17, 2015 5:04pm
Reid

https://youtu.be/WkyU1boc8bo
https://youtu.be/xu5sTyAXyAo
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July 17, 2015 5:08pm
Scott Chris

Griff, I think history will judge Obama to be a centre-right corporatist.
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July 17, 2015 5:09pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn seems to be having a melt down back towards the extremism of lee001 Scott C.”

Not really. Back then I advocated Paleolibertarianism and Austrian school economics as EAD does, and I have zero intentions of going back to those ideas.

MY views on moral issues never changed, I just toned the rhetoric down and tried to compromise with Liberals, but the video in my first post is a good example of why that was a mistake.

“History will judge Obama.”

The American people will, and already have. His approval ratings are dismal, for good reason.
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