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UglyTruth

No, they are.

You are lying, mikenmild.

You said: “I think you ignore a number of reasons why it is highly improbable that extraterrestrial beings have ever visited Earth.”

But you couldn’t say what those reasons were.
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July 15, 2015 5:50pm
mikenmild

That’s not a lie, Ugly. A lie would be me stating something that was demonstrably false, and that I knew to be false. I haven’t done that.
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July 15, 2015 5:53pm
UglyTruth

That’s not a lie, Ugly. A lie would be me stating something that was demonstrably false, and that I knew to be false. I haven’t done that.

But you have. You said that reasons exist, knowing that they didn’t.

If they existed you would have said what they were rather than diverting to a different set of reasons.
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July 15, 2015 6:01pm
Shawn Herles

Note to my critic from last night. I have not been on KB all day today, but that has not stopped the Reid/Ugly/mikenmild circus from barreling on.
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July 15, 2015 6:01pm
cricko

mikenmild

Jeez, you would try argue the hind leg off a donkey.

Lets cut to the chase.

Do you have any suggestion to reduce the incidence of Kiwi kids being murdered by the boyfriend
of their Mum who is on the DPB ?

Do you have a suggestion to reduce it, or should we just accept the status quo ?

Attempt to address that simple question, just for once.
Don’t obsfucate, don’t try your usual answering a question with a question.

Just try a straight up answer to a straight up question.
Just for once in your life.
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July 15, 2015 6:04pm
Shawn Herles

There is SFA political blogs in NZ that are worth much. The only two right wing blogs of note are KB and Whale Oil. Most of the rest are so poorly supported that they are not worth it. And of course, the rest are Lefty blogs.
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July 15, 2015 6:04pm
UglyTruth

“I’m going to take a long break.”

Back so soon? My, how time flies Shawn.
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July 15, 2015 6:04pm
mikenmild

Thanks cricko. First I’d like to know the scope of the problems that needs to be addressed, hence the question about trends. Then, I’d think about measures that could actually prevent these circumstances, rather than just punishing someone who may well be a victim as well.
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July 15, 2015 6:08pm
Shawn Herles

Fletch @ 11:33 am.

Yes, I caught that story on several of my facebook feeds. The sad thing is, I’m surprised. That is Liberalism for you. Not content with murdering babies in the womb, now they want to sell the body parts for money.
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July 15, 2015 6:09pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ07CINbFoE
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July 15, 2015 6:10pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 6:01 pm

Note to my critic from last night. I have not been on KB all day today, but that has not stopped the Reid/Ugly/mikenmild circus from barreling on.

lol, that’s me isn’t it 🙂
I didn’t say you were alone in that Shawn, just that your indignation belied your frequent involvement.
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July 15, 2015 6:12pm
Shawn Herles

“Back so soon?”

I was hoping to find an alternative NZ forum for political debate from a Right wing pov. But there really aren’t any, and I have no time for Whale Oil.

I may be forced to take a break anyway as I’m returning to the very first work I did after high school, welding. I’m doing some fast retraining at Polytech starting next week, and have been offered a job when I have finished that, so that will likely keep me very busy.
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July 15, 2015 6:13pm
mikenmild

Sorry about all that, Ugly. Suffice to say, I don’t think it can be demonstrated that extraterrestrial beings have ever visited the Earth. Evidence that some people accept is too ambiguous to convince most people. I’m not even convinced that interstellar travel is even practicable. Above all, I am convinced that beings visiting Earth would have no reason to conceal their presence.

You will obviously not agree with this, but I think that the evidence of contact is just not there. It would be very cool if it happened though.
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July 15, 2015 6:13pm
Shawn Herles

“I didn’t say you were alone in that Shawn,”

Oops, sorry. I was not in a good mood last night, so just skimmed read it. Apologies.
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July 15, 2015 6:14pm
Reid

I don’t think there can be any onus upon me to disprove this story, Reid. Remarkable claims require remarkable evidence. There is simply no way to verify the story of this alleged interrogation. I rather think you need to demonstrate why it should be taken at face value.

Me, from last night, when I gave you post YOU asked me to give you.

Rules are, you need to read all his linked sources, and when you discuss it, you need to quote the passage you are discussing. Responses to the effect in your opinion it’s preposterous don’t count. Responses to the effect the site a citation he cites is in your opinion preposterous don’t count either.

The only thing that does count, is quote|response.

And by responding, you accepted those rules.

Yet your response clearly doesn’t comply with them.

Game set match mm.

You lose.

Period.

End of discussion. I won’t be engaging on this again, unless you start lying and claiming you’ve somehow disproved Makow, or some such bullshit.
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July 15, 2015 6:17pm
Shawn Herles

“I won’t be engaging on this again”

PRAISE THE LORD!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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July 15, 2015 6:20pm
mikenmild

That’s disappointing, Reid, but not very surprising. It’s nice that you get to set the rules and decide how to enforce them, though. Thing is, I’m not claiming that Makow’s article is disproved; just that it is very much unproved. There are obviously difficulties in confirming the veracity of the ‘Red Symphony’ and the assertions contained therein are not substantiated by any other evidence offered, by Makow or anyone else.

While I would concede that the event described in Red Symphony are a possibility, without any supporting evidence they remain a very unlikely possibility.
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July 15, 2015 6:28pm
nasska

….” I’m returning to the very first work I did after high school, welding. I’m doing some fast retraining at Polytech starting next week, and have been offered a job when I have finished that, so that will likely keep me very busy.”…..

Great news Shawn!

By chance one of our regular commenters was a welding instructor at some technical training outfit up north. If you require extra tuition I’ll be happy to pass on your details. 🙂
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July 15, 2015 6:46pm
Viking2

Now now naaska, Shawn a happily married christian. don’t ya know.

Can’t have Penny corrupting him.

Imagine if he teamed up on her Crusades.
KB would be inundated with posts.
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July 15, 2015 6:51pm
Shawn Herles

“Can’t have Penny corrupting him.”

Not to mention I prefer women who are sane.
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July 15, 2015 6:53pm
nasska

Fussy bugger aren’t you? 🙂
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July 15, 2015 6:54pm
UglyTruth

Evidence that some people accept is too ambiguous to convince most people.

Some evidence is pretty unambiguous. You know, like when the USAF drops flares so that the debunkers can spin a bullshit story about how they were all mistaken about what they saw.

I’m not even convinced that interstellar travel is even practicable.

Somehow I don’t think that reality is limited by what you think is practicable.

Above all, I am convinced that beings visiting Earth would have no reason to conceal their presence.

Are you aware of all the possible reasons they might have?

How can you possibly discount reasons that you are unaware of?
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July 15, 2015 6:55pm
Shawn Herles

It is weird going back to my first post school job at this stage in life. But the work is there and the money good. My wife and I are hoping to go on a US holiday soon, and the extra bucks will help.
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July 15, 2015 6:55pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x0jbi9vf0mqwt71/UT%2020.jpg?dl=0
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July 15, 2015 7:00pm
stigie

Some of us are at this stage of our lives Shawn !~

https://gm1.ggpht.com/Vxtvq-MKWGVzhY_4cOsbCF2LIP5d9UfjCq6752N2ayvXaFx8JSOJeLQkzTUB3bfQnr4KrRc8GdFf7mQDyszeshwdSnUiJEH7vCtMxHg68o4ZGSg7YgQPz7j5E67r5gdMsaKr-aTcivIrjljXK93dpNc-MohCt91t7pU_9q_lnXu7NMgNzz_fEW9Oa17HKiHgh5SJF3SHsuH-rTV4-8S74IapKOiDNkMuGYESn2i9DMSvsu6VqeR5WOuLA33MRpW5vigUNYBVeRBkTecV7Y6DdN_5LZXz94HDMdwykIB8BMoBu0gg_Db4WEnB3-qb_Jue_gAv5KTPgSareVyCLNShVhLa0u_8P0_4IcyztzpzYRVp-jVpS2VYWvBgJt45oNbr89tQ51-mIbe9jOqwgF4Kz-RqO5idUo8KebY3mkgvyeMbWYoiMGKWDmiPhvRW4EqIyooNzb8hfsYs1F5LtWzArtdCWFZgPz9aMPmsLA77z24l5jQaqmt0i4zCqIpfUh860jQPNu75JuW5ZRquW9Fqy-A5XsecYfxVeqwDRs6HCugezEJJ3uG-y4n53xcDdXUhmS97qFGu5PN5_eF_JKTtr_RaucsAq3cDnIJz2XaWDm7C8DTIZB9GamEPiQM=w1549-h613-l75-ft
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July 15, 2015 7:09pm
nasska

Link doesn’t work stigie.
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July 15, 2015 7:11pm
mikenmild

Ugly, it is unlikely that you and I will agree about UFOs. I don’t think that any uncontrovertible proof has been produced, so on balance I would have to remain skeptical.
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July 15, 2015 7:11pm
stigie

Does for me Nasska, try again…..but then again im fucking hopeless behind a keyboard ?
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July 15, 2015 7:12pm
Shawn Herles

I got a 403 error message too stigie.
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July 15, 2015 7:13pm
nasska

Error 403 stigie. Perhaps the GCSB has finally caught up with me & my security clearance has been cancelled. 🙂
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July 15, 2015 7:16pm
stigie

Pity really, you would have pissed yourselves just like the Labour and Chinese debacle
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July 15, 2015 7:18pm
Shawn Herles

I tried it with my VPN on and got the same result. It happens sometimes.
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July 15, 2015 7:20pm
stigie

You might be one of the eighty Nasska along with Penny Mary Bright ?
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July 15, 2015 7:21pm
EAD

@ MM,

Why are you so close minded that you dismis anything not confirmed by the MSM as a conspiracy? You realise you would have labelled the Libor whistle blowers as nut jobs – or anyone that suggested the NSA was spying on all our emails/phone calls.

According to the MSM nothing much is happening at Fukishima, Iraq was harbouring WMDs, we’re all going to drown due to global warming and Islam is a religion of peace. It’s no wonder people don’t trust the MSM any more.

Sure there’s a lot of rubbish on the internet, but to dismiss everything is blinkered and foolish. You probably believe the Rothschilds gave up their immensely powerful positions as bankers to governments to concentrate on wine making! If you do, I’ve got a bridge you may be interested in…..

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/the-scam-has-been-known-about-for.html

”
The scam has been known about for centuries –
As we contemplate the shenanigans of the Greek ‘rescue’ and the more general bankster-driven destruction of Western societies it’s worth noting that the dangers had been noted from long, long ago. And in the intervening years as well……
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July 15, 2015 7:23pm
Johnboy

If there are seats left in the workshop when Penny demonstrates uphand and downhand to Shawn save me one will you! 🙂
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July 15, 2015 7:26pm
nasska

“Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion – several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.”

Mark Twain
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July 15, 2015 7:30pm
nasska

Get to the back of the queue JB!! 🙂
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July 15, 2015 7:31pm
SPC

EAD, the MSM gets around to the truth if misled and misleading earlier, WMD in Iraq, Libor corruption, NSA spying, continuing problems at Fukiyama.

Global warming and Islam remain matters of either science or opinion.

CT, that are just CT, remain just that.

Capital, aka banking is a class and political issue and has little to do with any particular ethnic group of people, past or present.
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July 15, 2015 7:35pm
Johnboy

There could be a Hollywood blockbuster here!

Swampman meets Waterwoman. Sparks fly on first encounter! 🙂
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July 15, 2015 7:37pm
stigie

If you’re in luck JB, Penny may just be wearing one of these welding aprons ?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31PwFbCOxHL.jpg
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July 15, 2015 7:37pm
mikenmild

That’s quite interesting, EAD. So far as I am aware, no one was saying much about Libor or NSA spying years in advance. Fukushima – why do you think there is a conspiracy there? Iraq, well many, many people were skeptical of the WMD claims.
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July 15, 2015 7:44pm
SPC

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/fukushima
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July 15, 2015 7:47pm
Manolo

Poor Phil Twyford was this evening trying to defend the indefensible in his radio interview with Larry Williams. The bugger deserves to be demoted or sacked by Angry Andy.
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July 15, 2015 7:50pm
hj

From John maudlins letter:

“More problematic for the stock market is that the profit outlook for transportation stocks, particularly ocean shipping companies, is horrible.

The story was about container ships facing the business-killing environment of expenses exceeding revenues. According to the Wall Street Journal, the container-freight rates on the Asia-to-Europe route have sunk like rocks and are now below the cost of fuel. And that doesn’t even include all the other fixed and variable costs.

The Shanghai Containerized Freight Index—the cost of shipping a container from Shanghai to Rotterdam—fell to $243 per TEU (twenty foot equivalent unit), a new all-time low and below the cost of fuel, estimated to be $300 per TEU.

That’s right: For every container an Asia-to-Europe ship transports, it will lose $57. Ouch!

There are a lot more costs to operating a ship than just fuel, which is estimated to account for 40% of operating costs. Drewry Maritime Research estimates that the break-even rate for most container ships is $800 per TEU on that route.

Global demand is weak, but the real culprit is a massive increase in the number of container ships that have come online, mostly ULCSs (Ultra Large Container Ships).

Braemar ACM Shipbroking reported that the industry has added enough capacity to carry 500,000 containers in just the first quarter of 2015. To put that number in perspective, a total of one million containers were shipped in all of 2014!

That’s a 50% increase in capacity.

That supply is going to get even larger. There are backorders for 55 more container ships, 30 of them with a capacity of 18,000 TEU, 12 in the 10,000-11,000 TEU range, and 13 in the 1,400-4,000 TEU range.

Maersk Lines, the largest container shipping company in the world, ordered 11 ULCSs capable of carrying 19,600 TEU, with options for six more from South Korea’s Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering.

“Unless by a miracle demand grows, we are up for heavy losses in the next quarter and maybe the rest of 2015,” moaned one industry executive.

Hey, this is exactly the type of misallocation of capital you see when the cost of money is taken down to zero.”
…..
road transport isn’t doing well either.
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July 15, 2015 7:53pm
UglyTruth

Ugly, it is unlikely that you and I will agree about UFOs. I don’t think that any uncontrovertible proof has been produced, so on balance I would have to remain skeptical.

That isn’t balance, it’s dogmatism. Balance is when you consider the evidence for and against without bias, like in “balance of probabilites”.
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July 15, 2015 7:56pm
EAD

FWIW – here is a video that explains the banking scam (the biggest scam in the the history of the world) that the banking dynasties use to enslave the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWR4_ekego

“Will Americans act to rebuild our nation, as Germany and Japan have done when they faced the identical conditions which we now face–or will we continue to be enslaved by the Babylonian debt money system which was set up by the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 to complete our total destruction? This is the only question which we have to answer, and we do not have much time left to answer it.” – Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Eustace Mullins, 1991
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July 15, 2015 7:59pm
nasska

mikenmild

Strangely enough there could well be malign influences at play preventing the reporting of what is actually happening at Fukushima:

….”very few journalists cover the aftermath; television in Japan has lost interest; the public is blasé and dangerously naïve; Japanese publishers do not entertain stories about Fukushima, and the mainstream media in Japan ignores the impact of the aftermath…….

…… maybe The Act on the Protection of Specially Designated Secrets, Act No. 108 promulgated on December 13, 2013 is quelling public opinion?

According to a leading Japanese newspaper, the law “almost limitlessly widens the range of what can be considered confidential,” and the new secrecy law allows bureaucrats and politicians to “designate state secrets to their liking”……

http://fukushimaupdate.com/view-from-inside-fukushima-prefecture-vastly-different-from-govt-pronouncements/

Even if the Japanese people are to be discounted as collateral damage by their government radiation knows no borders. What lies behind the reluctance of the international MSM to investigate & expose dangers should they exist is hard to write off to their normal incompetence.
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July 15, 2015 7:59pm
hj

The other night on You Tube I saw the “Ten Worst Deaths” I watched it partly because I thought if I didn’t it would spook me more than if I didn’t. Luckily I could handle it but it gave me the creeps (the creeps being the perpetrators). It would be good if sadists could be screened and monitored (science fiction).
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July 15, 2015 7:59pm
cricko

By the same token that you live by mikenmild……

“First I would need to know………….blah,blah….”

This is the last time I ever err and give you any respect.

and with all the respect you deserve……

fuck you.
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July 15, 2015 8:00pm
mikenmild

Well, that’s charming cricko. It must be about time to go and poison some more cats.
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July 15, 2015 8:11pm
mikenmild

I think most rational people are capable of assessing the evidence for and against extraterrestrial contact, Ugly. I think perhaps you are starting from the point of view that anyone who does not agree with you must be wrong.
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July 15, 2015 8:14pm
cricko

A pos like mikenmild can only jerk the strings of people for so long.

Are you one that dances to his tune ?

This prick claims to have a job, in a government department.

But he has time to be on this blog site, all day, every day.

‘kin typical of a smartarse bludger on the public tit.

A knowitall with an opinion on every subject under the sun.
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July 15, 2015 8:18pm
mikenmild

Since when was having opinions a bad thing, cricko?
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July 15, 2015 8:21pm
cricko

And you can bet that mikenmild looks just like his hero….

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fredkaplan.info/images/fred-portrait.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fredkaplan.info/bio.htm&h=224&w=188&tbnid=KD2f1OHm-diu1M:&zoom=1&tbnh=160&tbnw=134&usg=__7-bp_xAU1B6oOTSKDymzQ6nSV18=&docid=3-OhixXUOyxRkM&itg=1&hl=en

Now, how did i know that ?
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July 15, 2015 8:28pm
mikenmild

How did you know that, cricko? I thought my identity was a closely guarded secret.
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July 15, 2015 8:38pm
UglyTruth

I think perhaps you are starting from the point of view that anyone who does not agree with you must be wrong.

I’m not always right, there’s always a chance that someone can show that I’ve made an error.

But in the case of ETs you don’t have any reason to discount the facts that tend to show that the USAF is covering up their existence.
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July 15, 2015 8:45pm
cricko

And I was stupid enough to think I would address MM as an equal @ 6.04 and give him credit as a genuine bloke.

How wrong could I be ?

This prick claims to have a job, employed by our government…………..he admitted that himself….
when the fuck does he have any time to do any work to justify his paycheck.

He’s on this site all day, every day, sprouting his knowitall opinion.
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July 15, 2015 8:45pm
mikenmild

Ugly, the known facts do no support the thesis that the USAF is covering up the existence of extraterrestrials.
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July 15, 2015 8:52pm
mikenmild

cricko, I long ago decided that it was a mistake to reveal any personal information on Kiwiblog. So I’m not going to discuss my employment status.
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July 15, 2015 8:54pm
cricko

But this prick MM already revealed his employment situation on this site.

He already told us he was sucking on the government tit.

Does MM deny that ?

Now he’s shit scared that if his boss finds out who he is and that he does fuck all work all day
she might fire his sorry bludging arse, if she could.

Bet she wishes she could.
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July 15, 2015 9:02pm
mikenmild

I’m not going to confirm whether I am employed or not. That’s really only the business of myself and any employer.
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July 15, 2015 9:05pm
cricko

Be good if MM stopped lying like a flatfish.

Next thing this lying prick will be telling us that he never said that he was sucking on the public tit.

This lying bullshit artist prick is now trying to say that he never said that he was a government servant.

Watch the lying prick as he now tries to deny it.
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July 15, 2015 9:14pm
mikenmild

I’m not denying anything, cricko. I’m just refusing to tell you whether I am currently employed.
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July 15, 2015 9:17pm
cricko

So, this lying prick mikenmild refuses to deny that he is a low lying bullshit artist.

I call him out.

You are a lying POS mikenmild.

Get it ? Can I make it any clearer ?

Do you deny that you are a lying piece of it, or not ?

If I have it wrong, report me to the man.

I will cop the strike if I can’t back up my accusation.

You POS
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July 15, 2015 9:28pm
publicwatchdog

Can Fonterra representatives see the text of the TPPA – yes or no?

If no – how can Fonterra be sure that Minister of Trade Tim Groser IS negotiating the best possible deal for NZ dairy?

Penny Bright
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July 15, 2015 9:32pm
mikenmild

I’m not lying. I actually have quite a high regard for the truths. Some years ago, I revealed on Kiwiblog that I was employed as a public servant. For some reason, that has exposed me to much criticism, for what I am still not sure. Now, I simply will not confirm any speculation about me at all. Whether you believe me or not does really not concern me; nor do your insults.
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July 15, 2015 9:34pm
UglyTruth

Ugly, the known facts do no support the thesis that the USAF is covering up the existence of extraterrestrials.

They do because the USAF dropped flares that looked something like a massive UFO that was reported hours earlier.
All of this was on the other thread, and you got caught out saying that reasons against the existence of ETs existed, knowing that they didn’t.

I agree with cricko – you’re a liar.
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July 15, 2015 10:38pm
cricko

If MM or even one of his admiriati could address my effort @ 6.04 today then that would be good.
But they can’t.

Straight questions.

Too hard for MM or any of his progressive sycophants to reply to.

Easier just to thumb down. Right girls ?

Surely, just one of them has the balls to have a try.

But I doubt it.
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July 15, 2015 11:24pm
cricko

Now, who TF would believe that the thumb up for MM @ 9.34 was not a set up.

6 idiots seem to agree with MM that he is not a liar………….you believe that ?

How much effort must this liar have put into conning his sycophants to register, then thumb him up,
how much/what did he have to pay them ?

It’s so obvious a setup that it sticks out like dogs balls.

Get real.
You sad joke MM

Even UT is on to it.
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July 15, 2015 11:47pm
Manolo

The circus is in town: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/magazine/re-re-re-reintroducing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
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