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stephieboy

Am looking forward the the antics of Donald Trump and his disciples . Let’s consider this – The GOP only managed to get 27% of the Latino vote , Obama 71%. The GOP were hugely disappointed and realised they needed to get that vote up if they were to get their paws on the Whitehouse .

Donald’s anti Mexican rant and rhetoric wont help and we could even see Texas go Democrat .If the GOP ditch Jeb Bush ( the only real sane and credible candidate ) in favour of Donald then the fireworks will begin with Jeb quite possibly running as an Independent and splitting the Repub vote .

Many of the rabid righties here and there are turning the US into the laughing stock of the world with Donald ’s “Modern Family “or is it “Teen Wolf “?
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July 13, 2015 8:12am
Manolo

Xenophobic Labour steals NZF platform of racial hatred.
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July 13, 2015 8:12am
Manolo

Good to see stephieboy longing for a match between his Queen Hillary and Jeb Bush.
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July 13, 2015 8:13am
stephieboy

Manolo, and you “Queen” Donald vs Queen Hilary ?

It must make up for the bitter disappointment of Queen Sarah 2008 ?
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July 13, 2015 8:16am
Pete George

From CTV interviews – John Stringer claims there are more king hits to come against Colin Craig.

I know that the media have got them and they’re waiting to release them. However we’re trying to resolve the legal issues around the confidentiality.

But Craig keeps denying there are any more problems.

Interviewer: John Stringer said to me there are more king hits to come, there are more serious allegations to come. Do you have any idea of what he may be on about?

Craig: No not at all, and I think um that’s just game playing. He’s been very public and outspoken about his criticisms of me, I’m sure if he had anything else to say he could say it.

Transcripts:
– Stringer: “some other king hits to come” against Craig
– Craig still trying to rescue the Conservative Party

Craig and Stringer are also in conflict over democratic process in the Conservative Party wit Craig claiming majority support (from about 10% of members) while Stringer claims Craig has deleted dissenters from the ‘forgive Colin’ ballot mail out.
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July 13, 2015 8:17am
Tarquin North

Another burst of global warming up here in the winterless north. This morning I scraped ice off my windscreen then 10 minutes later it hosed down and seems to have got even colder!
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July 13, 2015 8:19am
Viking2

Shit its cold.
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July 13, 2015 8:20am
Manolo

The best and worst from Islam, the religion of peace: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3158173/ISIS-release-sickening-new-video-brutal-massacre-prisoners-lie-mass-graves-machine-gunned-death.html
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July 13, 2015 8:22am
hj

People who sold out to foreigners used to be hung drawn and quartered. Property blood sucker[and their minions], leftist coalition.
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July 13, 2015 8:22am
Paulus Gnome

Chicken on the leaked statistical property sales information says: ‘while some people had claimed it was racist, several Aucklanders had applauded it.

“If the feedback out of Auckland is anything to go by, I expect we’ll have a lot of support in the policy we’ve put up.’

Utter bullshit.

If Chicken is reluctant to name the agency with name suppression, the new black that New Zealand allows to protect ‘rising stars’ careers / futures / face; can he name the ‘several’ Aucklander’s instead?

I can safely say he won’t as I suspect no-one has spoken to him at all; except Twyford.

Little and Twyford; the new standard for Dumb and Dumber.
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July 13, 2015 8:22am
hj

media bias

Twyford’s ‘racist’, ‘cynical’ Chinese property buyer statistics de-bunked

However, data journalist Keith Ng, writing on the Public Address blog, responded to the claims and tore down the statistics point-by-point, exposing clear holes in the methodology used to determine them.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/twyford-s-racist-cynical-chinese-property-buyer-statistics-de-bunked-q00964

“Data journalist” ? his field is graphics: data “visualization”?
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July 13, 2015 8:23am
oldpark

Seems Labour Party are right into racial separatism in a big way. In the 1970s they were the architects of Pacific Island dawn raids,leading to deportation. Not so long ago at Waitangi Angry Andy Little spoke of Maori separatism,now zenophobia has completely got into the Labour Party DNA. They have attacked the Chinese population and accused them of fuelling the Auckland property market. Giving a percentage of buyers with Chinese sounding names. Not a mention of European sounding names from people who also buy property in Auckland. Even if sixty percent were named Smith, according to Labour with their assault on the Chinese,nothing suspicious here ,move on. Sadly Labour are now completely becoming, racist and heading for the evil name of the apartheid party.
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July 13, 2015 8:24am
publicwatchdog

To be fair to Phil Twyford – here’s what he said in the Metro ‘Running on Empty’ article, 16 April 2015 (3 months ago):

“…Labour’s housing spokesman, Phil Twyford, describes Auckland’s real estate market as “speculation on steroids” and says the number of unoccupied houses is part of the rot.

“Take out the holiday homes and my suspicion is that a very significant proportion of those 22,000 empty houses are owned by speculators farming capital gains who are going to sell and make a killing down the track. They’re not interested in rental income or mucking around with being a landlord and all that entails,” he says.

“What’s frustrating is that the government refuses to even collect the data on this. Particularly in Auckland, people resent being told they’re racist and xenophobic, because they know from their own experience and their family’s and their neighbours’ experience what’s going on. And it makes them wild to see their kids really struggling to get a first home because a speculator is bidding up the prices.”

Keith Rankin agrees we need more than anecdotes to find out the real story behind Auckland’s empty houses and who owns them.

“To a large extent we’re in an information vacuum,” he says.

“The answers may be quite complex. But not enough people are asking the right questions.”
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How about we now put our minds to the information that we need to gather, in order to get the required FACTS on the extent to which the Auckland ‘housing crisis’ is being used for speculative capital gain, and money-laundering?

Including to what extent are the 22,000 EMPTY private sector houses (2013 Census) a result of speculative capital gain, and the Auckland real estate market being used for money-laundering?

While families are crammed in caravans and garages, and the homeless are living in cars, or sleeping on cardboard in Queen Street, in this freezing winter?

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July 13, 2015 8:30am
oldpark

Heard a story this morning on a radio station. A guy with a face on him like a busted grape, is going to court to get a ruling on his right to live of stolen personal emails, as he hides under the status of “Journalist”. Wonder how the judge will handle such a fairy tale, if his personal private emails were made into to a book, and the so called “Journalist” was making hundreds of thousands of dollars from the blatant theft, and wanting immunity from prosecution.
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July 13, 2015 8:31am
hj

stephieboy

“The GOP only managed to get 27% of the Latino vote , Obama 71%. ”
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Mexico is over populated. Hispanics now out number whites in California and California is over crowded, has water woes and generally the quality of life has tracked down. People leave for cheaper living.

But all our pathologic liberal Stephieboy sees is the diversity
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July 13, 2015 8:33am
Simon

Maunder Minimum another blow to the science is settled fraud known as global warming.

When the Berlin Wall came down it was a terrible blow to the western left. They knew they couldn’t compete against capitalism in rasing living standards so some reinvented their anti-human idealogical through becoming environmentalists. They began to attack living standards to justify their own failed systems.

But like the peak oil call the global warming fraud will come to an end it is just a matter of time.
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July 13, 2015 8:37am
stephieboy

Jack 5, out there thank you for your post yesterday honouring Helen Kelly featured last night on TV One whom is threatened with terminal cancer. A very heart warming and rendering item.

I dd the same for Roger Kerr on a Trade Me Opinion and Politics thread honouring him likewise when he finally fell victim to melanoma and even though I disagreed with some of his views. It was very disappointing ,as you experienced ,some of the negative ,responses to Roger as you with Helen.
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July 13, 2015 8:37am
G152

Just shows how desperate Liebor is to become relevant in this day and age.
But so blatantly racist ?
And the angry little man is backing it..
Is winsome Winnie going to stand for interlopers taking away his
hard won reputation as NZ’s racist ?
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July 13, 2015 8:40am
iMP

So, in Labour party land it’s ok for Chinese men to marry eachother, but not to buy houses?
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July 13, 2015 8:40am
Odakyu-sen

One of the three newly built houses on my street has occupants (because the lights were on last night). The other two are still empty. We’ll see if anyone moves in over the next several months.

All the development and new occupiers on my street are either Chinese or Korean. Since some of the residents are visible, they are likely NZ passport holders, also the men of the house are often overseas for long periods of time (or else work from home like me and only come out under the cover of darkness, mu ha ha ha ha!)
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July 13, 2015 8:45am
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

Today’s NZ Herald editorial – ( Monday 13 July 2015) Business Section:

“Chinese role in the housing boom.

For many people, the leaked property sale figures reported in the Weekend Herald will have contained just one element of surprise.

They concluded some time ago that overseas Chinese buyers were behind the boom in the Auckland property market.

Anecdotal accounts from auctions had led them to discount a survey of real estate agents in 2013 that attributed only 8 per cent of purchases to this group.

Even so, many will have been astonished to learn that as many as 39.5 per cent of sales may be to buyers of Chinese descent.

That figure, whatever the question-marks surrounding it, raises issues that need to be addressed.

Deriding the finding as politically motivated and statistically unsound is easy, but essentially a red herring.

Compiling an estimate of the ethnicity of purchasers from their surnames, as Labour’s housing spokesman, Phil Twyford, has done, is not ideal.

But the basis, figures covering 3922 Auckland sales from one real estate firm from February to April this year, is reasonably comprehensive.

And it is better than anything else available.

Regrettably, there is an information vacuum because this country has no register of foreign buyers.

But perhaps we should not be totally surprised if Chinese buyers are, indeed, having a big influence.

The Beijing Government is allowing more of its citizens to buy overseas property, and interest rates in China are much lower than here.

This has led to Auckland housing being marketed aggressively to Chinese investors.

They have been alerted especially that this country has no land tax, stamp duty or other of the restrictions of the likes of Canada, Australia, Hong Kong and Singapore.

So far, the Key Government has acted directly only to the extent of requiring overseas buyers to have an Inland Revenue number and a New Zealand bank account from October.

Mr Twyford’s finding will ramp up the pressure to do more. To some, it will represent evidence that the extent of Chinese investment, and a readiness to pay over the odds, is, beside its ramifications for the economy, creating an untenable situation for local buyers, especially those seeking their first homes.

There needs to be a high degree of caution, however.

First, Mr Twyford’s finding has to be substantiated by statistics whose accuracy cannot be challenged.

In that context, figures made available by the new government requirements for overseas buyers need to be made available to the public.

Secondly, if these figures underline Mr Twyford’s conclusion, the response must be carefully calibrated.

It would be easy to follow Australia’s lead and require overseas investors to build new houses.

This makes some sense in increasing supply rather than adding to demand.

It is a stern step, however. New Zealanders certainly take a dim view when they are denied the right to buy a house in an overseas country.

Equally, some of the purchases by overseas Chinese buyers are for family members, perhaps students, living in this country for at least some of the time.

Even when reliable data is available, therefore, a knee-jerk response must be out of the question.”

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July 13, 2015 8:48am
hj

publicwatchdog (4,322 comments) says:

July 13th, 2015 at 8:48 am

Seen this Kiwibloggers
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yes and smell the air freshener [property investor blood suckers] coming out on Kiwiblog.
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July 13, 2015 9:01am
Odakyu-sen

Property booms.

Lived through one in Japan in the 1980s. It’s like a raging party. House prices always go up. That’s what everyone (I mean everyone) talks about. Buy now! Don’t miss out!

And then. For whatever reason. The market turns. (As it will.)

And it turns overnight.

And then everyone looks at each other (with morning-after faces) and says, “How could we have been so stupid?”
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July 13, 2015 9:08am
BeaB

Very odd to see Helen Kelly looking drawn and ill with dark shadows under her eyes last night on TV but we had seen her earlier looking fine. I know she is gravely ill but surely we do not need our emotions played on by the cynical use of make-up.
It is heart-rending when anyone gets cancer and 50 is too early to be facing the end. All of that is sad enough without TV trying to manipulate us.
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July 13, 2015 9:10am
Hugh Pavletich

France … another Leftist failure … as the Euro unravels … RESPECTING DIVERSITY, DE-CENTRALIZATION & DEMOCRACY

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/07/asx-at-the-close-472/ … with associated material …

France is the sick man of Europe, says former French prime minister François Fillon – Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11734627/France-is-the-sick-man-of-Europe-says-former-French-prime-minister-Francois-Fillon.html

… extract …

After he became prime minister in 2007, Mr Fillon declared that he was “at the head of a bankrupt state” and he has also said that France should look to the example of Margaret Thatcher to see how to revive its economy.

He has now warned that if interest rates rise, France will plunge into economic turmoil.

“It is unbearable to see France slipping out of history and losing mastery of its destiny when it possesses all the assets to play a major role in the 21st century,” he said.

Mr Fillon also urged the president to take action to lower tensions in poor neighbourhoods controlled by “drug traffickers and fundamentalists” ( Pavletich comment … as well … go check out Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Guatemala etc ) … read more via hyperlink above …

Greece news live: cracks appear in Franco-German axis as leaders remain divided over country’s fate – Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11734310/Greece-news-live-cracks-appear-in-Franco-German-axis-as-leaders-remain-divided-over-countrys-fate.html

… while … Nassim Nicholas Taleb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb ) stresses the critical importance of respecting DIVERSITY, DE-CENTRALIZATION AND DEMOCRACY …

The Calm Before the Storm | Taleb & Treverton | Foreign Affairs

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/calm-storm
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July 13, 2015 9:13am
publicwatchdog

hmmmm…… whose fault is THIS – Kiwibloggers?

” Housing NZ has confirmed it did not renew a contract with Manukau-based Project Quality Solutions (PQS) to do the annual inspections when the contract expired in 2013.

Health risk inspections stopped in year before deaths of two tenants.
By Simon Collins

A long-term contract to inspect all state houses for potential risks to health and safety was axed the year before two Auckland tenants died last winter, partly because they lived in cold, damp houses.

Housing NZ has confirmed it did not renew a contract with Manukau-based Project Quality Solutions (PQS) to do the annual inspections when the contract expired in 2013.

Other sources have told the Herald the contract was axed with 48 hours’ notice in December 2013 when it still had several months to run, apparently because Housing NZ was under pressure to cut costs. The agency paid a $90 million dividend to the Government in the year to June 2014, up from $77 million the previous year.

Coroner Brandt Shortland last month blamed a cold, damp state house for the death of Otara 2-year-old Emma-Lita Bourne last August.

Housing NZ chief executive Glen Sowry said last month that the agency should also have found a drier home for Papakura father-of-six Soesa Tovo, who also died last August after being treated for heart and lung problems.

Salvation Army social policy director Major Campbell Roberts said he met PQS when the army was deciding whether to buy state houses being offered for sale this year and was disturbed to find that independent health and safety inspections of state houses had stopped.

“There has been a practice, I think, of altering the standards, and you wonder whether that’s been for economic purposes rather than for what was good for the clients. But there hasn’t been independent monitoring of the state of the houses for now a couple of years,” he said. “I think that what is now emerging is some pretty disturbing information about some of the tenancies, which I don’t think Housing NZ has been too aware of. ….”

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July 13, 2015 9:15am
hj

Odakyu-sen
re the Japan fall in property: you didn’t have the China effect?
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July 13, 2015 9:23am
rightoverlabour

There is a solution to the so called Auckland housing Crisis. Start a property war. Sell your house at a fixed rate at say the CV. Get everyone who is so alarmed at the horrible Chinese (sounding surname) pushing up the prices to do their thing for NZ and undercut the property market. Duh you say, it wont work, simply because even those who rant and rave about this know that the evil Chinese sounding Surname group are making us all fantastically richer as our capital gains increase second by second. BUT now we have an evil face we can blame as we count our ill gotten riches….

Penny, don’t bother posting essays, as all it does it wear our scroll wheels out. (In a caring sort of way – for our scroll wheels)
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July 13, 2015 9:23am
RRM

I see Comrade Redbaiter is pretty much a labour Party sycophant these days.

http://truebluenz.com/2015/06/29/queen-street-auckland-then-and-now/

We must be approaching the end times…?
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July 13, 2015 9:23am
hj

But there’s no room for negative thinking in this industry. “Listen, folks, you’re here to learn why you’re poor!” an ebullient Dolf de Roos tells a packed audience of 500 well-heeled people – including an 11-year-old boy writing down every word – at the Sheraton ballroom for his $79 a head Real Estate Riches seminar last week.

“The deal of the decade comes along once a week!” says de Roos. “If you believe that, you will find deal after deal after deal.” But you will only amass money, he says, when you come from an abundance consciousness instead of a poverty consciousness; when you tell yourself, “I am a magnet for money!”

Tonight, a pumped de Roos tells his audience that he wants people to invest in property and write to him 12 months down the track and tell him they’ve “made one million or three million, or you’ve got 16 properties, or we’re taking six months off because our cash flow now exceeds our outflow!” He says, “I don’t know any other activity where the rewards are so huge. If you want to invest a million dollars in the sharemarket, you need a million dollars. If you want to invest a million in real estate, you only need $100,000.”

You can buy one property, get it revalued, use the equity to buy another property and then buy another and another. “And you do it all with OPM. Other people’s money. OPM. It’s like being high on drugs!” What’s more, the wonder of depreciation claims on the building and contents means “the government subsidises your investment! It’s delightful!”

House of the rising sum

by Pamela Stirling
And it worked (on average): asset inflation, other peoples money, grab the political system by the balls.
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July 13, 2015 9:40am
Paulus

What is the matter with Labour.
Even Gyon got the better of Twyford this morning on his Chinese theory which was put together by the Kiwi/American Labour activist Rob Salmon.
H2 Simpson would have been down Twyford’s throat three days ago to stop doing such damage to the Labour Party.
Where is little Little in all this – not a squeak.
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July 13, 2015 9:41am
hj

From The Landlord Says:

Meanwhile the National Party released its immigration policy. You may wonder what this means for the property market. It is clear from research that immigration is one of the key drivers of house price growth.
The logic is simple. If you import more people into the country, then you need more houses. Supply and demand means that prices are then pushed up, this is particularly so in Auckland.
While the latest immigration numbers show the number of people coming into New Zealand is starting to rise, the Nat’s policy looks like it wants to increase immigration levels even further. (Although it is unclear what sort of number they are targeting.)
This policy is, arguably, a plus for people who want house prices to rise. (But may be not so good for first home owners wanting to buy.)
My guess has always been that property investors lean heavily towards the right rather than the left. (This was made clear in an email newsletter I saw from one developer this week.)
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July 13, 2015 9:44am
hj

Paulus (3,042 comments) says:

Even Gyon got the better of Twyford this morning on his Chinese theory which was put together by the Kiwi/American Labour activist Rob Salmon.
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it wasn’t Guyon it was Todd Niall and he didn’t get the better of Twyford: “how do you think Chinese will feel?”; “are you o.k siding with Winston? Are you o.k about that?” Basically what Stephanie Rodgers or Sacha would argue on the Standard.
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July 13, 2015 9:59am
publicwatchdog

Why is there not a ‘national’ migration, population growth and regional development strategy?

So we have some form of ‘common sense’ planning?

Instead of this casino capitalism – market madness model?

Serving whose interests?

Follow the dollar …..

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July 13, 2015 10:06am
Manolo

Where is little Little in all this – not a squeak.

Not at all. Angry Andy was on the radio this morning (Paul Henry) fully endorsing Twyford’s findings.

He even announced Labour will legislate during the first 100 days of his government, prohibiting the selling of houses to non-NZ residents. We all know what to expect from the socialists if they win power.
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July 13, 2015 10:26am
Paulus Gnome

rightoverlabour – don’t be too hard on Penny with her scroll wheel replacement franchise, I love having her here! I love the essays that invariably result in a down tick for no other reason than it is Penny.

A small bright spot in what may be a miserable day! (no pun intended)
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July 13, 2015 10:37am
Paulus Gnome

Paulus: ‘Where is little Little in all this – not a squeak.”

Paul Henry had him on just after 7.00 (I listen when the shrill over at National Red just gets too much)

Nothing too spectacular although PH dumbed the questions down to match the interviewee . . . .
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July 13, 2015 10:42am
Manolo

Will comrade Tsipras will be told to eff off? http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/12/greece-crisis-deadline-for-greece-as-european-leaders-meet.html
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July 13, 2015 10:58am
Jacob

Cameron Slater seems at the moment to be leading the pack trying to nail Labour for blatant racism.
But crude as the Labour effort has been, how horribly ironic may it be if the Chinese element of the Auckland housing situation is therefore dismissed as labour stupidity.

Other sources indicate Chinese investment pressure in Vancouver, Sydney and Japan

And possibly on-coming –
China’s rich seek shelter from stock market storm in foreign property
Real estate agents in Australia, Britain and Canada are bracing for a surge of new interest in their already hot property markets, with early signs that wealthy Chinese investors are seeking a safe haven from the turmoil in Shanghai’s stock markets.
[…]
The rush by Chinese investors into foreign property has not been without criticism, with some in London, Sydney and Vancouver blaming them for pushing up already spiralling prices.
– http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/12/chinas-rich-seek-shelter-from-stock-market-storm-in-foreign-property

Sad, if the country’s housing suffers further from no proper analysis of what is happening, because political game-player Cameron Slater [followed by others leaping on this obvious band-waggon] finds it amusing to screw over Labour where-ever he thinks he can drive a wedge in.
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July 13, 2015 11:00am
dime

Odakyu-sen – these good times will never end! this bubble will never burst lol

It amazes me how people will spend insane $$ for a shit house.

The only thing you can really do to protect yourself if buying is to make sure its a good, solid home. Then if you take a hit, it probably wont be as bad and you will bounce back quicker. Thats my theory anyway.

Personally, i only buy new houses.
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July 13, 2015 11:19am
AgentBallSack

David Cunliffe is probably consoling Mai Chen at this very moment, apologising for the latest Labour Party edicts and assuring her when HE is made Prime Minister all will be good.
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July 13, 2015 11:25am
Odakyu-sen

hj

You do with apartments in the main centers, but not with rural housing.

The rural villages and small towns in Japan have been dying for decades. You just about can’t even give property away. No one will buy it. Some Japanese are hoping that with telecommuting and working from home becoming more acceptable, more young (breeding couples) will choose a rural lifestyle. The problem then becomes education for their children. If you were an Oxford or Yale high-flier, would you want your kids to go to school in Reefton? (Thought not.)

Also, never forget the curse of rural living: as soon as your kids graduate from high school, they head to universities/jobs/spouses in the Big City and they never return (unless you have solid equity in a cash-flow-positive business to entice them back home with).
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July 13, 2015 11:28am
AgentBallSack

Hey, You – yeah the one with face. Paid your global warming taxes yet?

research-shows-mini-ice-age-coming-in-15-years
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July 13, 2015 11:29am
Inandout

The surname Twyford means ‘twin, ford’, so is Phil a Ford Twin Spinner, or does he just speak with forked tongue ?
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July 13, 2015 11:36am
Odakyu-sen

dime,

You’re right. Always buy good quality (if you can).

I am always struck by the shallowness of New Zealanders when it comes to their culture. On one hand, they get all misty-eyed talking about All Blacks and other icons, and yet, they so readily lie back and allow their leaders to ethnically rinse their communities.

I’ll say it again: I don’t know if this Sino-fication of Auckland is a good thing or not. But it will permanently change Auckland.

You could make the case that these young, hard-working, ethically unchallenged, can-do/will-do immigrants are what the country needs. But the notion of what it is to “be a New Zealander” (apart from what it says on your passport) will change as well. Maybe that’s a good thing.
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July 13, 2015 11:41am
dime

“But the notion of what it is to “be a New Zealander” (apart from what it says on your passport) will change as well.”

personally, i dont like most of our kiwiana bullshit. number 8 wire, farming, meat & 3 veg, being staunch.. what else is there? rugby ummm we have fuck all culture imho

*waits for downticks*
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July 13, 2015 11:47am
Odakyu-sen

It’s a no-brainer, really.

In Auckland we have a large number of wealthy immigrants + a shortage of houses.

SIMPLE: Make the large number of wealthy immigrants BUILD NEW HOUSES. Problem solved.
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July 13, 2015 11:50am
Pete George

SIMPLE: Make the large number of wealthy immigrants BUILD NEW HOUSES. Problem solved.

Not that simple. The problem is land inflation due to a lack of supply. If they are forced to buy sections instead of houses it’s going to be at least as bad as it is now.
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July 13, 2015 12:00pm
RRM

publicwatchdog (4,324 comments) says:
July 13th, 2015 at 10:06 am

Why is there not a ‘national’ migration, population growth and regional development strategy?

So we have some form of ‘common sense’ planning?

Because the only way of effectively having the government control who lives where, generally requires using soldiers to force people onto trains of cattle wagons.

If you’re not prepared to do that, people generally say ‘stuff you gubermint, I’ll decide where I want to live, thanks.’
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July 13, 2015 12:09pm
Odakyu-sen

Pete,

Public Works Act to the rescue. There’s lots of land in the greater Auckland metropolitan region.

Or, don’t grant residency until a housing permit is approved.
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July 13, 2015 12:10pm
publicwatchdog

How many Kiwibloggers know that right NOW – at the Auckland Sky City Convention Centre, there is a great big fat ‘conference’ happening on combatting ‘money-laundering’?

Timing?

VENUE !?

Who would have thought …… !

“APG ANNUAL MEETING AND FORUM ON TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING 2015
1 August 2014

The 2015 APG Annual Meeting and Technical Assistance and Training Forum will be held in Auckland, New Zealand in the week of 13-17 July 2015.

The APG Annual Meeting is the primary policy and decision-making vehicle for the APG. Decisions made at the Annual Meeting will set the course for the APG’s work over the next year.”

Penny Bright
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July 13, 2015 12:15pm
jcuk

Some words of wisdom which I doubt if all you RWNJ have the brains to read and take note of … more is the pity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/opinion/paul-krugman-greeces-economy-is-a-lesson-for-republicans-in-the-us.html?emc=edit_th_20150710&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=52497011&_r=0

Thank goodness we have National in NZ and not Republicans. Though National are putting their feet in their mouths currently just about every day with the clueless mob who are ministers of the crown.
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July 13, 2015 12:24pm
Manolo

The Greek farce goes on: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/12/s-rumble-on-athens-still-has-more-to-do.html

Greece still has more to prove before it can restore the trust of its fellow euro zone countries and get funds it desperately needs to stave off calamity, with euro zone officials telling CNBC on Sunday the country will need far more money than originally believed.
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July 13, 2015 1:04pm
stephieboy

Manolo, Tea Party fanboy -these points raised by Paul Krugman from Jcuk’s link are interesting,

“…On the other side, leading Republicans like Representative Paul Ryan incessantly attack the Federal Reserve for its efforts to boost the economy, delivering solemn lectures on the evils of “debasing” the dollar — when the main difference between the effects of austerity in Canada and in Greece was precisely that Canada could “debase” its currency, while Greece couldn’t. Oh, and many Republicans hanker for a return to the gold standard, which would effectively put us into a euro-like straitjacket.

The point is that if you really worry that the U.S. might turn into Greece, you should focus your concern on America’s right. Because if the right gets its way on economic policy — slashing spending while blocking any offsetting monetary easing — it will, in effect, bring the policies behind the Greek disaster to America.”
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July 13, 2015 1:16pm
Ross12

I see Tony Alexander is on the foreign house buyer band wagon. I think it is time he got a new job ! ( if that happens to be a politician then so be it)
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July 13, 2015 1:20pm
big bruv

My god this is embarrassing. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/70182055/this-all-blacks-promotional-video-is-preposterously-intense
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July 13, 2015 1:41pm
stigie

Whats your take on the Warriors game yesterday BB ?
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July 13, 2015 2:03pm
Scott

Just wanted to make one comment on climate change. The thesis is that the earth is getting warmer and particularly with industrialisation and the effect of greenhouse gases. Therefore a prediction of climate change is that we would not see the same cold temperatures as we did 50 years ago.

However that prediction is under considerable strain. This past week Gisborne has had its 1st snowfall in 60 years and parts of Auckland have had their coldest temperatures in 50 years.

One wonders if more research is needed before we spend millions of dollars trying to stop global warming which may not actually be occurring?
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July 13, 2015 2:08pm
Shawn Herles

Official announcement. My experiment with moderate politics has come to and end.

The SCOTUS decision, the murder of Kathryn Steinle by an illegal immigrant, and the escalating culture war against the South has put a stake through it’s heart.
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July 13, 2015 2:30pm
Shawn Herles

Oops, should have been “an end.”

I hate typos.
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July 13, 2015 2:36pm
ngatimozart

Well I see in today’s Herald that Hagar is claiming in court that the police raid on his house was illegal because he is a journalist and hence he is protected by journalistic privilege. As far as I am aware he doesn’t work for a news organisation nor was his book published as an article commissioned by a news organisation. Hence in the case of the book he was working as an author not as a journalist. He may do freelance journalistic work, but a book is not, by definition that.
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July 13, 2015 3:03pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie claims: “Am looking forward the the antics of Donald Trump and his disciples”

Educate yourself Stephie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKui7EwpiJ4
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July 13, 2015 3:07pm
Manolo

One wonders if more research is needed before we spend millions of dollars trying to stop global warming which may not actually be occurring?

Of course it’s occurring. It is happening as maintained by added Griff and Islamist stephieboy.
It is the undeniable truth, today’s new creed.
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July 13, 2015 3:07pm
stephieboy

Shawn , and would I be right in suggesting that Donald and others in the GOP payed for her funeral expenses and attended in person ??
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July 13, 2015 3:10pm
big bruv

stigie

I don’t watch League, it is a game invented for, and played by, morons.
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July 13, 2015 3:16pm
RRM

Re that “Russian Senior Dating for Men” advertisment that is always running on Kiwiblog lately…

Is the middle one EXTREMELY cross-eyed, or is it just my imagination?
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July 13, 2015 3:26pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4NjLVe4Zpc
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July 13, 2015 3:26pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn , and would I be right in suggesting that Donald and others in the GOP payed for her funeral expenses and attended in person ??”

Shit stephie, that’s the best you can come up with? Trump has at least brought her murder to national attention and condemned it repeatedly.

What was Obummer’s and Hillary’s response? SILENCE.
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July 13, 2015 3:29pm
Shawn Herles

@ stephie

There were 500 child rapes committed by illegal immigrants in North Carolina in one month alone.

Do you approve or disapprove?
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July 13, 2015 3:30pm
Manolo

Establishing more “sanctuary cities” appears to be the response from the (il)liberal American elites.
As a consequence, the number of crimes commited by illegal immigrant goes up and up.
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July 13, 2015 3:32pm
Shawn Herles

” Just Another Obama-Dreamer: Murdering and Burning Babies

Fragos-Ramirez was arrested hours into the investigation at his home less than a mile from where the bodies were found. He appeared Monday in Franklin County Superior Court, where Judge Carrie Runge set bail at $1 million.

Runge ordered Fragos-Ramirez, who has previous convictions for DUI and driving while suspended, held for up to 72 hours while prosecutors determine what charges to file. Prosecutors say Fragos-Ramirez was deported in 2014 and got back into the country illegally.”

http://joeforamerica.com/2015/07/just-another-obama-dreamer-murdering-and-burning-babies/

@ stephie,

this illegal immigrant was allowed to stay in the US through Obummer’s deliberate failure to secure US borders.

He went on to burn his girlfriend and her baby alive.

Do you approve or disapprove?
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July 13, 2015 3:39pm
stephieboy

Shan, all i can say that the response of Trump etc to the murder would largely be a political one I would think . Never heard of playing politics.

%00 rapes in SC ? Interesting I wonder what Jeb makes of it ( Mexican Wife )and if it were actually true ?
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July 13, 2015 3:40pm
Alan Wilkinson

The useless crappy tabloid the Herald has become now appears to have a policy of not allowing comments on its climate alarmism lobbyists:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11480187
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11478338

Obviously the critiques they attract are unacceptable to the Herald’s Politburo.
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July 13, 2015 4:00pm
Scott Chris

Official announcement. My experiment with moderate politics has come to and end.

The SCOTUS decision, the murder of Kathryn Steinle by an illegal immigrant, and the escalating culture war against the South has put a stake through it’s heart.

Yeah, to be moderate you have to be capable of reacting rationally not emotionally.
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July 13, 2015 4:01pm
Shawn Herles

Stephie,

a perfect example of a liberal response. Ignore the point I raised and just claim that Trump is politicking.

No stephie. Do you approve or disprove? Given that these horrific crimes are a direct result of Obummer’s policy on illegal immigration, do you approve or disapprove of that policy?

Try answering the actual questions and try dealing with the actual issue, not hiding and covering it up by personal attacks on Trump. That liberal bullshit tactic does not work anymore.
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July 13, 2015 4:01pm
Shawn Herles

“Yeah, to be moderate you have to be capable of reacting rationally not emotionally.”

Anything in excess is bad, including moderation.
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July 13, 2015 4:02pm
Scott Chris

Just wanted to make one comment on climate change. The thesis is that the earth is getting warmer and particularly with industrialisation and the effect of greenhouse gases. Therefore a prediction of climate change is that we would not see the same cold temperatures as we did 50 years ago.

However that prediction is under considerable strain. This past week Gisborne has had its 1st snowfall in 60 years and parts of Auckland have had their coldest temperatures in 50 years.

Dumbest comment I’ve seen on Kiwiblog for a while.
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July 13, 2015 4:04pm
Shawn Herles

This is interesting. Rand Paul’s actual position on national defense is very different than his fathers. I like Paul’s policies in a lot of areas, especially on illegal immigration. If this does represent his national defense position, I would happily support him.

http://www.reasonedliberty.com/government/what-does-a-national-defense-moderate-look-like-rand-paul/
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July 13, 2015 4:05pm
Alan Wilkinson

@Scott Chris 4:04Pm, absolutely. He should know that climate change theory predicts every possible outcome with no known means of falsifying it. And 97% of climate scientists believe absolutely everything about it is true.
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July 13, 2015 4:09pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

Property insider: It’s bigger than you think

The whistleblower said “people living in China buy the places Kiwis are trying to get”

Mainland Chinese money snapped up at least 80 per cent of residential sales in parts of Auckland in March but were nearer 90 per cent in May, a whistle blower from the industry says.

The Herald reported at the weekend Labour data that showed people of Chinese descent accounted for 39.5 per cent of the almost 4000 Auckland transactions between February and April.

Yet Census 2013 data showed ethnic Chinese who are New Zealand residents or citizens account for only 9 per cent of Auckland’s population.

The property insider – who wanted to protect their identity because they feared for their job – said the situation was much more serious than the Labour data suggested.

The numbers should be more than doubled due to the weight of capital coming out of Mainland China, the whistle blower said.

One big Auckland real estate agency, where many salespeople are of Chinese ethnicity, was selling almost every single property throughout many suburban areas to people living in China, the insider said.

In some cases, those buyers had a New Zealand connection “but it’s one group disenfranchising the other. It’s really taken off in the last 18 months. I’ve been studying the figures since October.”

“The Kiwis, South Africans and British have dropped out of the market because they just can’t compete with the Chinese. The people living in China buy the places the Kiwis are trying to get, then those places are rented out the next day,” the insider said.

That showed the person is in an important position in the property sector with extensive access to information unavailable to the public revealing who the buyers really are.

“We’re becoming tenants in our own country. It’s utterly outrageous. The Chinese are interested in Panmure, Ellerslie, Greenlane, Epsom, Remuera, the North Shore – not so much the west.”

Where there is HEAT – there usually ends up being LIGHT?

Good on Phil Twyford for helping to really get the debate and discussion ‘mainstreamed’ on this topic.

Let’s now URGENTLY get some proper records and some proper statistics on who exactly is buying Auckland properties, and for what purpose?

Penny Bright
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July 13, 2015 4:11pm
Manolo

@stephie: Will you answer Shawn’s question? Do you approve or disapprove?
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July 13, 2015 4:17pm
mikenmild

There were 500 child rapes committed by illegal immigrants in North Carolina in one month alone

There seem to be a few made up statistics floating around the interweb.
The latest figure could find for North Carolina was 1,950 rapes for North Carolina in total in 2012. So the 500 child rapes per month figure is almost certainly bogus.
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July 13, 2015 4:18pm
Brigitte

As far as I know, 100% of Chinese home owners in Auckland are up to date with their rates….
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July 13, 2015 4:19pm
Alan Wilkinson

@Penny: “We’re becoming tenants in our own country.”

B.s. If you don’t want to rent from Chinese, build your own house. There is a vast area around Auckland tied up in 10 acre lifestyle blocks by Council zonings created at the instigation of idiots like you. Turn it loose.
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July 13, 2015 4:37pm
Shawn Herles

“So the 500 child rapes per month figure is almost certainly bogus.”

It was not 500 per month mike, but 500 in one specific month.

Reading what I actually posted, instead of minldess liberal reaction would have helped. Epic fail. DUH.
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July 13, 2015 4:43pm
mikenmild

500 in one month is obviously bogus. Your comprehension skills are clearly quite limited.
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July 13, 2015 4:46pm
Shawn Herles

“@stephie: Will you answer Shawn’s question? Do you approve or disapprove?”

He can’t. If he disapproves he has to disapprove of one of Obummer’s policies, and disagreeing with his Messiah is not something stephie can do.

So, like Obummer and Hillary, the victims of murders and child rapes committed by illegal immigrants get thrown under the bus.
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July 13, 2015 4:47pm
Shawn Herles

“500 in one month is obviously bogus.”

Prove it. Show me the proof mikey. Your first attempt was dumb and dishonest, as you misrepresented my post, and so far all you can do is say “it’s bogus” without providing a shred of evidence to back your view up.

“Your comprehension skills are clearly quite limited.”

You are clearly stupid and dishonest.
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July 13, 2015 4:50pm
mikenmild

You are the one endorsing the claim without evidence. I have shown you that the total incidence of all rape in North Carolina is about 160 per month. 500 chlid rapes in one month is obviously false.
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July 13, 2015 4:54pm
Shawn Herles

“I have shown you that the total incidence of all rape in North Carolina is about 160 per month.”

That is because you are averaging it out. That does not prove anything mikey. 500 hundred in one month does not mean that the total for the year is wrong, unless you think child rape happens in exactly the same numbers every month.

So, no, you have provided zero evidence. Just massaged the figures to suit your claim.
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July 13, 2015 4:56pm
RRM

It was not 500 per month mike, but 500 in one specific month.

Erm, guys..

There’s a bell curve on the phone.

He’s saying something about that if the average number of ALL RAPES per month is about 160, it is very improbable you would ever see 500 CHILD RAPES in one month, even a particularly bad month.

Does that mean anything to either of you?
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July 13, 2015 4:59pm
Shawn Herles

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/02/illegal-aliens-committed-500-child-sexual-assaults-in-north-carolina-during-january-2691762.html
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July 13, 2015 5:00pm
mikenmild

If total rapes (not just of children; not just by illegal aliens) only average about 160 per month, do you seriously believe that for one month, and only that one month, illegal aliens raped 500 children?
Next you will be saying that it was because Obama visited North Carolina that month.
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July 13, 2015 5:03pm
hj

Jeff Mahuika and Sasha Huber ceremoniously “un-named” the West Coast’s Agassiz Glacier
……
It has stood proudly for more than 150 years – but the South Island’s Agassiz Glacier is no more.

The West Coast icecap hasn’t disappeared but it has been “un-named” as part of a global campaign to remove the use of the name of Agassiz, a Swiss geologist who believed not all races were created equal.

In the 1860s, German geologist Sir Johann “Julius” von Haast named the Agassiz Glacier, on the West Coast, after 19th-century Swiss-born biologist and geologist Louis Agassiz.

But Agassiz’ legacy has been widely criticised since his death in 1873, with some labelling him a racist.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11479445
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After Agassiz came to the United States he wrote prolifically on polygenism, the idea that races were created separately, that they could be classified on the basis of specific climatic zones, and that they were endowed with unequal attributes,[23] ideas now included under the rubric of scientific racism.

Agassiz never supported slavery, and claimed his views on polygenism had nothing to do with politics.[24] He was influenced by philosophical idealism and the scientific work of Georges Cuvier. According to Agassiz, genera and species were ideas in the mind of God; their existence in God’s mind prior to their physical creation meant that God could create humans as one species yet in several distinct and geographically separate acts of creation. Per Church historian Paul M. Blowers, Agassiz believed there is one species of humans but many different creations of races.[25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Agassiz
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July 13, 2015 5:09pm
mikenmild

And I’d have second thoughts about linking to Before It’s News if I were you, Shawn. Makes you seem like more of a nutter.

Here are the current top 50 ‘articles’:
It’s Worse Than We Thought! Jade Helm-Marines Refuse and Quit While the South Is…
Warnings Appear in Heaven: These Events Ignite Across America- Jason A Video You…
Warnings Appear in Heaven: These Events Ignite Across America- Jason A Video You Want To See!!
Alert — Lt. Colonel Potter: 100% Certainty Something Big Is Coming #JadeHelm15…
The Last Days Of ‘Normal Life’ In America
Earth shattering information. Could it be true, did Christians get it wrong? Watch…
Greece: All Sides Walk Away As Greek Banks Run Out of Money Tomorrow
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Jade Helm Death Squads Inserted Into American Communities: Is It Just a Drill?
Warning Skies Across America? : Prophecy Unfolding Around The World
Illuminati’s Secret “The Death Without Warning”
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Population Control, Guns, Vaccines and Media Manipulation with Jim Marrs
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Sandy Hook dad had choke-hold on daughter during media interview
Exposed: The King James Bible Mystery Babylon Connection
Recent Events-You Will Get Chills When You See This! Two Brand New Videos Reveal…
Freemasonry Secrets Revealed: The Real Secret Word of the Freemasons
Ancient Technology – The Most Advanced Technology we know – Rediscovered in…
David Icke, Revelations of a Mother Goddess (full version)
Secret Underground Reptilian Cities
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Scientists Can’t Believe Their Eyes As They Lower A Camera In A Underwater…
The Third World War Prophecy by 90 Year Old Woman in Norway
If You Want To Survive the Economic Collapse, You Better Read This
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July 13, 2015 5:14pm
SGA

@Shawn Herles
And a little checking into Before It’s News’ source for that factoid, NCFIRE (North Carolinians For Immigration Reform & Enforcement), didn’t exactly fill me with confidence.
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July 13, 2015 5:19pm
Alan Wilkinson

@hj, does this mean it is scientific racism to declare Maui’s dolphins are a separate species from Hector’s dolphins just because they live (mostly) in different places and look minutely different (well actually only the males supposedly have a differing little coloured spot)?
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July 13, 2015 5:20pm
nasska

You’re a bit tough Mike…..”Secret Underground Reptilian Cities” might be a highly researched & peer reviewed study. 🙂
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July 13, 2015 5:26pm
SGA

nasska at 5:26 pm

You’re a bit tough Mike…..”Secret Underground Reptilian Cities” might be a highly researched & peer reviewed study. 🙂

I think I bought their first album.
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July 13, 2015 5:34pm
mikenmild

It’s the sort of bullshit that appeals to some Kiwibloggers for some reason, nasska. I’m blowed if I can work out why.
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