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Left Right and Centre

He should learn to eat ~~pork~~ humble pie if he wants to enjoy life in a Japanese homestay family
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June 9, 2015 4:45pm
nasska

I note that ‘Dave_1924’ covered this today at 12.43pm:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/06/the-photo-in-which-colin-craig-leaves-a-sauna-with-a-bisexual-male/

It does, however, seem an opportune time to remind DPF that it’s ages since we’ve had a “Caption Contest”. 🙂
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June 9, 2015 5:53pm
Griff

Hers is one nasska
If it was good for Ted Haggard its good for me.
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June 9, 2015 5:59pm
nasska

Larry Craig was another who let the side down Griff.
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June 9, 2015 6:09pm
Griff

d4j how is your week going so far?
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June 9, 2015 6:11pm
Griff

Medicinal cannabis application approved for teenager in coma
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/69243877/medicinal-cannabis-application-approved-for-teenager-in-coma
Now can I get it to place myself in a coma?
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June 9, 2015 6:14pm
Reid

The hopes of euthanasia supporters appear to rely on Act leader David Seymour and the luck of the draw after both Prime Minister John Key and Labour chief Andrew Little ruled out putting up a bill on the issue.

I find it unsurprising but incredibly gutless our employees don’t even have the moral fibre to put the public above their own worthless hides and facilitate this debate.

Sure, any politico knows its a hiding to nothing, whichever way it comes out, the person who started it loses political capital.

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SO WHAT?

Why the fuck are you ~~worthless selfish scum~~ politicians playing the fucking game, anyway? You always fucking tell us don’t you, that all you’re doing is “serving” us. It’s all about “service.”

And yet when something like this rolls round, where the real heroes would say fuck it and climb out of the trench, all of you gutless little pricks are cowering down there sucking your thumbs and calling for mummy.

Is that leadership?

What a useless bunch of c**ts you all are.
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June 9, 2015 6:14pm
nasska

….” worthless selfish scum “… doesn’t begin to describe either side in this instance Reid. I just hope that the electorate keep pushing the arseholes until the spineless wonders realise that they may have more to lose than gain by not doing what they are well paid to sort out.

The MP for Wairarapa can expect to have his ear bent over the issue.
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June 9, 2015 6:23pm
Reid

Looks like a minus moron didn’t like it nasska.

They’re probably all confused over the fact we weren’t talking about our positions on the issue but something completely different and they couldn’t tell the difference.

I bet they’re turning white hot with rage and fury now, let’s hope so, let’s hope they just pissed their pants in sheer impotent rage.

Anyway, enough toying with the morons, it’s not much sport really, is it.

So what’s your view on it?
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June 9, 2015 6:33pm
stigie

“Now can I get it to place myself in a coma”?

Not sure what you mean by this Griff, anyway stick with what you’ve got to keep you out of any coma ole chap !~
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June 9, 2015 6:34pm
Griff

There is a faction in national that will hate any change when it comes to assisted suicide.
key is trying to hold together many different conflicting views in a large party .
He can not risk rocking the boat and getting the ReligoConservative faction of side.
The same for legalization of cannabis.
It really means
We all lose out on true representation for our views on the right.
both liberal right and Conservative.
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June 9, 2015 6:36pm
nasska

….”So what’s your view on it?”….

Two possibilities Reid:

1) Someone whose delicate sensibilities limit their contribution to disapproval.

2) Dad’s off his meds again. 🙂
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June 9, 2015 6:38pm
Reid

There is a faction in national that will hate any change when it comes to assisted suicide.

Same in Liarbore Griff.

But we’re talking about a debate on the most intimate thing in a human’s life, politicians have no right to do anything but listen to We, the People. Period. Seriously. It’s got nothing to do with them, this is our will, they have nothing to do with it apart from obeying to the letter whatever it is We, The People, come up with. So how fucking dare the jumped up arrogant little pricks interfere in any way whatsoever with this almost sacred process?

How dare they.

Two possibilities Reid:

Yeah I haven’t decided yet myself nasska. My mum had a long drawn out 5 month decline before she died, it was beyond words for me and the siblings. She was a fan of euthanasia and she was a most faith-filled Christian. I’m not sure what my position is yet to be honest.

All I know is my local MP is not qualified to decide on my behalf. Not on this issue.
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June 9, 2015 6:41pm
stigie

Dad needs to explain himself, no use leaving us poor sods in the dark !~
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June 9, 2015 6:41pm
dad4justice

“d4j how is your week going so far? ”

Are you stoned while singing suicide is painless you dropkick moronic imbecile?
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June 9, 2015 6:42pm
nasska

….”We all lose out on true representation for our views on the right.
both liberal right and Conservative.”….

Not really Griff. Keeping these social issues locked up favours the religionutters.

The conservative factions of both parties would be blown out of the water on both issues if it was left to the voters.
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June 9, 2015 6:42pm
dad4justice

hi nasscar is a “religionutter” the same as the hateful hillbilly atheistnutter?
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June 9, 2015 6:48pm
Viking2

Nestle Fail.

http://screencast.com/t/0iEZCviarAdv
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June 9, 2015 6:50pm
stigie

Jeez Dad, you need to have a toke on some good stuff, take away the anger and make you a new man Dad !~
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June 9, 2015 6:50pm
nasska

….” She was a fan of euthanasia and she was a most faith-filled Christian. I’m not sure what my position is yet to be honest.”….

You’re not the only one Griff. Although I class myself as an out & out liberal on social issues I can see some logic in the concerns raised by the Godaddled concerning euthanasia.

Not so for assisted suicide which I consider would address the problems in 99% of cases.

Either way the issue is important enough to be accorded full debate & consultation…..something that our elected representatives wish to avoid at all cost.
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June 9, 2015 6:51pm
Griff

😆
d4j takes the bait.
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June 9, 2015 6:51pm
nasska

So what do you think of Colin’s new friend Dad? 🙂
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June 9, 2015 6:53pm
dad4justice

hey gripp i take the bait but I spit it back to you – a stoned up fool with nothing better to do than talk utter shit on a blog.
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June 9, 2015 6:54pm
Griff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
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June 9, 2015 6:55pm
mikenmild

nothing better to do than talk utter shit on a blog

Sounds like D4J’s area of expertise.
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June 9, 2015 7:04pm
stigie

Bruv will be along shortly to see if we are all behaving like adults !~
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June 9, 2015 7:06pm
Griff

I would rather be a stoned up fool d4j than some suppressed little wank stain who hides in the shadows and down ticks every one because he is incapable of much besides hurling abuse and ranting like a loon.
Unfortunately I can not be a stoned up fool at the moment as my mans weeks away from harvesting his indoor yet and I run out ages ago.
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June 9, 2015 7:06pm
Fletch

The Herald editorial a few days back makes a good point about euthanasia and suicide –

The sanctity of life lies at the heart of public policy in a civilised society that considers it has no right to take a life even as retribution for taking a life.

Societies such as ours put public money and effort into suicide prevention programmes. What happens to that message, particularly for the vulnerable young, if the law says medically assisted death is a respectable escape for the terminally ill?

How many of the elderly in care would conclude that since they really are a burden to society they ought to take the new option the law has provided?

They should not be given any reason to think their condition is without dignity and their life without value. Some of the passionate opponents of euthanasia are health practitioners specialising in end-of-life care.

Theirs is a new and developing specialty that aims to ease, comfort and dignify people in their approach to death. Euthanasia is a denial of these possibilities and they know it would be in many cases tragically unnecessary.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11460561

Exactly. In the first place, most countries don’t even allow the death penalty for persons who have killed someone else. That is how precious we consider life to be. In the second place, what kind of message is that sending to young people with suicidal tendencies or thoughts? If we assist people to die when they want to it is sending the message that our country considers suicide is OK – at least in some cases – because that, ultimately, is what euthanasia is – suicide.
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June 9, 2015 7:14pm
stigie

You need to tell ya man he needs to harvest every week Griff even if you get a small amount, keeps you going without having to run out !~
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June 9, 2015 7:15pm
Griff

The tell Dennis is the number of syllables in the words I use.
The longer the words the higher the fool.
Go figure.
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June 9, 2015 7:17pm
dad4justice

hey gripp i would bet you wouldn’t say the first sentence of your latest spew fest to my face. Keyboard cowards like you are beyond pathetic.

Edit can you irritating stigfly go make love to a can of raid so we can rid ourselves of such a trivial pest.
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June 9, 2015 7:20pm
nasska

…..”If we assist people to die when they want to it is sending the message that our country considers suicide is OK”….

No! Surely only those with a very tenuous grasp of reality would lump a teenager with angst & a person suffering from Motor Neurone Disease in the same basket.

You’re clutching desperately for straws.
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June 9, 2015 7:21pm
Manolo

Multiculturalism in Spain: http://news.yahoo.com/spanish-police-dismantle-voodoo-linked-sex-trafficking-ring-145658484.html

Madrid (AFP) – Spanish police said Monday they had dismantled a trafficking ring they said used voodoo rituals — including animal sacrifice — to force Nigerian women into prostitution in Spain.

Six traffickers were arrested and four of the victims freed, police said in a statement. The women, who came to Europe on dangerous, makeshift boats, were recruited in Nigeria, where they were enticed with false promises of employment.
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June 9, 2015 7:23pm
dad4justice

“Sounds like D4J’s area of expertise.”

Hi mouldymike are you are a sickness or invalids beneficiary?

You c##ts are pathetic spineless wimps.
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June 9, 2015 7:24pm
Lance

@Griff
“Now can I get it to place myself in a coma?”

Watch re-runs of Campbell Live.
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June 9, 2015 7:25pm
big bruv

RIP Sir Peter Williams.
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June 9, 2015 7:35pm
cricko

stigie

The one thing you got right today was referring to yourself as “a poor sod.”

And, guess what, nobody on this blog needs to explain themselves to a prat like you,
no matter how hard you whine.

Hic !

PS When have you posted an origional thought, ever ?
Is your whole act confined to abusing other posters and smart arsed snide comments ?
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June 9, 2015 7:35pm
Griff

Campbell Live.
Watching tv has that effect on me anyway lance.
Our family stopped having a tv when I was a kid because my older sister was spending all her time watching it and failing at school.
We never missed it then and I dont miss it now.
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June 9, 2015 7:35pm
Fletch

No! Surely only those with a very tenuous grasp of reality would lump a teenager with angst & a person suffering from Motor Neurone Disease in the same basket.

But overseas, it is not only people with motor neurone disease who ask for assisted suicide, It is also the depressed who have nothing else medically wrong with them.

But recent revelations about the way euthanasia is practiced by one group in The Netherlands, especially for those suffering from psychiatric illnesses, is making even the Dutch feel uncomfortable. The new debate raises questions about the way appointed commissions judge these life-ending practices, and echoes the kinds of ‘slippery-slope’ criticisms often made by right-wing and religious parties in the United States.

Under the Dutch law, the patient must ask repeatedly to die, a second doctor has to agree in writing that euthanasia is justified, and the post-mortem panel made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert have to confirm that the legal requirements were met. Although the 2002 law always left open the possibility that psychological pain could be sufficient justification for euthanasia, the focus was on those suffering from terminal cancer and similar excruciating physical conditions.

Ten years passed, and practices evolved. In early 2012 a group called the Life-Ending Clinic went into operation for people whose personal physicians refused to terminate their lives or assist their suicides. The clinic has since tested the boundaries of “unbearable suffering.” Among those it has helped to die: people with chronic depression and those who have signed their own euthanasia declaration in the early stages of dementia.

“We consider it self-evident that someone who is terminal can turn to euthanasia,” Life-Ending Clinic Director Steven Pleiter told The Daily Beast. “Now we are entering a phase in which there will be more debate about patients who are not terminally ill, among them psychiatric patients and those with dementia.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/03/the-dutch-debate-doctor-assisted-suicide-for-depression.html

Sure, it starts off with certain ‘safeguards’ – oh, we’ll only use euthanasia in such-and-such a case – but it evolves. We all know this. And what group exhibits depression more than a lonely teenager?
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June 9, 2015 7:35pm
Manolo

Life under the savage followers of Islam: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32831854

the BBC’s Ghadi Sary show mosques being blown up, abandoned schools, and women being forced to cover up their bodies. Residents said they were living in fear of punishment according to the group’s extreme interpretation of Islamic law.
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June 9, 2015 7:37pm
big bruv

Why the anger D4J?
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June 9, 2015 7:39pm
dad4justice

No anger bruv why? Do you ever confront people face to face or do excel at being a total internet prat without balls? How many identities do you have on here? Is it more than you had at Panda Sports. Dull life eh spud? Haha what a cowardly creep.
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June 9, 2015 7:40pm
nasska

Fletch

You’re taking all your objections from euthanasia as practised on the European Continent. There depression & various other mental conditions are qualifiers for assisted death.

It is unlikely that we would enact a copy of Belgian, Dutch or Swiss laws. Far more likely we would go for the Oregon example which has operated since 1997 with no evidence of the horrors you predict.

….”Oregon requires a physician to prescribe medication but it must be self-administered. For the patient to be eligible, the patient must be diagnosed by an attending physician as well as by a consulting physician, with a terminal illness that will cause the death of the individual within 6 months”…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide#United_States
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June 9, 2015 7:46pm
mikenmild

Keyboard cowards like you are beyond pathetic

More self reference from D4J.
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June 9, 2015 7:47pm
dad4justice

mouldymike – get a life.
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June 9, 2015 7:51pm
Nookin

I read this and have visions of Charlie Cheswick.
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June 9, 2015 7:56pm
big bruv

You’re always angry D4J. Tell me what the cause is, I am sure that we (the Kiwiblog family) can help you out.
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June 9, 2015 8:11pm
Fletch

Far more likely we would go for the Oregon example which has operated since 1997 with no evidence of the horrors you predict.

I do not think the Oregon laws are safe either, or transparent. Deaths in Oregon are up 30% since 2009 as well.

eg –

The Oregon assisted suicide law is controlled by a few insiders.
In 2009, Compassion & Choices, the assisted suicide lobby group that were formerly known as the Hemlock Society, facilitated 57 of 59 assistedsuicide deaths. In 2008 the Oregonian newspaper urged Washington State citizens not to legalize assisted suicide. The Oregonian stated that the law was operated by:

“a coterie of insiders run the [assisted suicide] program, with a handful of doctors and others deciding what the public may know.”

And –

I write to inform your readers that Oregon’s assisted suicide law lacks transparency. Even law enforcement is denied access to information collected by the State. Moreover, this is official state policy.
In 2010, I was retained by a client whose father had died under our assisted-suicide act. Unlike other deaths I have investigated, it was difficult to get basic information.

I don’t want to copy/paste too much because the site has a load of info –

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/30/oregon-assisted-suicide-deaths-hit-record-high-in-2012/
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June 9, 2015 8:15pm
nasska

Fletch

From the bottom of the article you linked to:

….”LifeNews.com Note: Alex Schadenberg is the executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition and you can read his blog here.”…..

And from the intro:

….”Margaret Dore, the President of Choice is an Illusion and a lawyer from Seattle”….

You’re not really trying to peddle that opinion piece as unbiased fact surely?
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June 9, 2015 8:24pm
Viking2

NOT SO GOOD
Manufacturing sales were lower in the first quarter of 2015 but few observers were surprised. This was the largest annual fall in five years. Lower dairy and petroleum prices influenced sales values this quarter. Stocks are falling too. But when price changes are removed, sales volumes rose a modest +0.4%.

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So manufacturing actually hasn’t been doing that well.

It was obvious some months ago to those on the ground.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/75877/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-tuesday-surplus-after-all-house-prices-rise-fast
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June 9, 2015 8:26pm
Fraggle

hj at 10:46 am
“… saw a walking letter box of a woman”

Thanks hj. Priceless! LMFAO

Burg at 11:19 am

Herald online headline ” Did co-hosts’ rivalry spill into broadcast?”

I’d choose Nadine over dippy Ali any day.

stephieboy at 2:45 pm “Jack 5, I still think that its unfortunate the Muslim lad was excluded from an exchange trip even with the feelings running high about the executions .”

Agree with Jack5: Japanese people are not still randomly running about the world displaying bestial behaviour. Until the islamofascists “bestial”* behaviour stops I see anyone has every right to decline a homestay visitor who declares themselves muslim. Why should any be compelled to host someone they do not want to regardless of the reason why? Up to you if you wish to view that as churlish or not.

*understatement

stephieboy at 3:24 pm “Jack 5, fatuous nonsense. Your talking about the execution of two Japanese nationals by ISIS and not a whole scale slaughter and brutal treatment by the Japanese occupation forces which has left a bitter legacy including among NZ WW2 veterans.”

Fuck me that is beyond the pale. Your comments are disgusting. Those “executions” happening shouldn’t matter to the Japanese? So until there are a heap more Japanese nationals who are beheaded you think the Japanese have no legitimate reason to feel aggrieved and respond in a non-violent manner as they see fit? So how do you propose the family in Japan is chosen will be commanded that they let the boy stay with them because his poor little feelings have been hurt?

nasska at 7:46 pm “Oregon requires a physician to prescribe medication but it must be self-administered. “

Thank you nasska. That is exactly how it should be. Self-administered and available from early stages so the choice can be made. I have read many accounts where people in that situation say they probably wouldn’t use it (and I believe they didn’t), but it is comforting to know it is available and would not cause anyone near and dear to them to have to commit a criminal act in order to help them. I can absolutely attest that my mother would have felt that way, her words to the palliative care doctor when suffering from late stage cancer “knock me out, I don’t want to know”. She knew there was no coming back to life from where she was, and I’m glad for her sake it happened quickly and she did not have to suffer for long.
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June 9, 2015 8:28pm
Viking2

Oh and you know that Health and Saftey Law you all want. Better start thinking again and tell your mates the MP’s what stupid shits they really are.

A South Otago car club has warned volunteer-run organisations they may soon be liable for substantial fines and even imprisonment if the Government’s new Health & Safety Reform Bill passes in its present form.

South Otago Vintage Car Club secretary Mel Tapp became aware of the issue after receiving a recent New Zealand Federation of Motor Clubs circular detailing the proposed changes to health and safety regulations, and their potential consequences.

In that circular, issued by federation representatives Roy Hughes and Tony Bartlett, it states, “[a club or club member could be] subject to court action and fines if one of its members organises, coordinates or oversees the efforts of another member while both are acting voluntarily … and something goes amiss…”

The change had arisen due to an amendment in the legislation – intended to broaden responsibility for health and safety and reduce “workplace” injury and death figures by 25 per cent by 2020 – redefining “employer” as “Person Conducting a Business or Undertaking” (PCBU), Tapp said.

In case of accident leading to injury or death, that meant volunteer-run organisations would now be defined as PCBUs under most circumstances, and therefore liable for fines of up to $600,000 and five years’ imprisonment.

That was “madness”, Tapp said.

“I don’t think people realise this is taking place under their noses as we speak. The legislation has been based on a similar Australian bill, which, since it was introduced, has caused many small clubs to close. People have just thrown up their hands and given up. It’s just so stupid.”

Clutha-Southland National MP Todd Barclay said the bill was yet to be finalised, with further work taking place until July 24.

“The Health and Safety Reform Bill is the biggest shake-up of health and safety laws in more than 20 years. The cross-party Transport and Industrial Committee [will be kicking] the tyres and making sure the proposals are sensible, workable, and will make a real difference to improve New Zealand’s unacceptable safety record,” Barclay said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/69056183/proposed-law-change-could-have-big-impact-on-volunteerrun-clubs

Another Law written by school kids with no idea about the world.
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June 9, 2015 8:29pm
Viking2

TOUCHING THE BRAKES’
ANZ’s monthly Truckometer review of heavy and light truck freight volumes has turned less bullish. It is still high but they say “While the Heavy Traffic Index suggests a respectable Q1 GDP outturn, with two of three months in, the signals for the second quarter are soft. Unless we see a large bounce-back in the June month, the index will predict a fall in GDP in Q2. Some of this is undoubtedly the impact of the drought and reduced agriculture production (though the late-season recovery was better than anticipated). The Light Traffic Index is more upbeat but is also losing steam.”

Third month in a row.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/75877/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-tuesday-surplus-after-all-house-prices-rise-fast
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June 9, 2015 8:32pm
dad4justice

“I am sure that we (the Kiwiblog family) can help you out.”

Can spineless anonymous jellyfish keyboard cowards really help someone out face to face? Yeah right!!
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June 9, 2015 8:53pm
Jack5

China’s stockmarket bubble is about to be the subject of a decision that could either boost it further – or explode it.

In 12 months the Chinese sharemarket has risen 9.3 trillion (that is 9.3 million million) in New Zealand dollars. Around now or within a few hours the big MSCI index will decide whether Chinese stocks can be included in it. If they are, it gives a green light for international funds to climb into the Chinese boom. It does this by allowing Chinese stocks into international indices used by international funds which invest almost 12 trillion NZ dollars. If the Chinese don’t get into the MSCI Index this t might be the start of the gas blowing out of the China stock bubble.
Links:

1. the boom:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-08/the-6-5-trillion-china-rally-that-s-making-stock-market-history

2. On the brink of the MSCI decision:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/markets-china-stocks-close-idUSZZN2RH10020150609
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June 9, 2015 8:54pm
wellygirl

Sad to see Sir Peter Williams QC has died. RIP.
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June 9, 2015 8:56pm
Reid

Jack the pension funds of the West mean sfa to China when it comes to the investment required to build the new silk road. China doesn’t need the West. At all. For anything.

The west could implode completely and China would keep going without even noticing.

And the sooner the west realises that, the better.
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June 9, 2015 9:00pm
Jack5

Reid (9.00): China needs the West.

Ever bigger container ships are moving thousands of containers of clothing, electronics, whiteware, brownware, and other consumer goods to America, Europe, and the West every day.

What would China do without these markets? Fill up its new ghost cities with the goods?
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June 9, 2015 9:05pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69249844/lawyer-sir-peter-williams-dies

Never been a fan of his.
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June 9, 2015 9:05pm
Manolo

Much ado about nothing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3116804/Australian-ambassador-returns-Indonesia-furore-Bali-9-executions-dies-Indonesia-refuses-send-high-ranking-official-PM-Abbott-s-anti-terror-summit.html
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