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Manolo

His mates are deserting him: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/04/john-cusack-talks-love-mercy-drug-trips-and-how-obama-is-worse-than-bush.html
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June 5, 2015 8:01am
Paulus Gnome

Sometimes when rain falls in your life, it is not such a bad thing as demonstrated by these guys from Otago Uni!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAdAlu4QSQU

Really is worth the look!
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June 5, 2015 8:02am
Paulus Gnome

I don’t know if this is your experience although I can vouch for the retail spending judging by the activities with the plastic by my partner!

‘Not if you look at retail sales, up a hefty 2.7 per cent in real terms in the first three months of the year.
Not if you look at the labour market. Households’ collective wage and salary income grew 6 per cent in the year to March, underpinned by strong employment growth, in a year when inflation was just 0.1 per cent.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11460003

My ‘collective’ has not risen by 6%, in fact nothing at all and I suspect that may be the case for many; so who is getting these big %’s to make the growth 6%?
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June 5, 2015 8:07am
oldpark

What a breath of fresh air Andrew Dickens, who for the last two weeks on Newstalk ZB is a fill in for the lardo woman Smalley. Dickens who also runs a Sunday programme on the same station,would easily give the blouse “cissy” Hoskins a run for his money.Hoskins star is on the decline, since he started to moonlight on the TVNZ nightly show,he is fast becoming ,just another broadcaster, who has lost his way, with his bull shit and jellie beans comments daily on the radio ,or nightly on the television. Time for a change, the new better than Holmes or Hoskins has arrived, Andrew Dickens.
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June 5, 2015 8:09am
Yoza

Manolo (16,027 comments) says:
June 5th, 2015 at 8:01 am

His mates are deserting him: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/04/john-cusack-talks-love-mercy-drug-trips-and-how-obama-is-worse-than-bush.html

From Manolo’s link:

“Well, Obama has certainly extended and hardened the cement on a lot of Bush’s post-9/11 Terror, Inc. policies, so he’s very similar to Bush in every way that way. His domestic policy is a bit different, but when you talk about drones, the American Empire, the NSA, civil liberties, attacks on journalism and whistleblowers, he’s as bad or worse than Bush. He hasn’t started as many wars, but he’s extended the ones we had, and I don’t even think Dick Cheney or Richard Nixon would say the president has the right to unilaterally decide whom he can kill around the world. On Tuesdays, the president can just decide whom he wants to kill, and you know, since 9/11 there are magic words like “terror,” and if you use magic words, you can justify any power grab you want.”

Seems perfectly reasonable.
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June 5, 2015 8:09am
stephieboy

Manolo,

At the Fox News Chimp enclosure two old male legible specimens – Bill O ;Reilly and Ralph Peters participating in a Middle East food cooking experiment,

https://www.braindecoder.com/chimpanzees-understand-how-cooking-changes-food-1180142811.html
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June 5, 2015 8:13am
unitedtribes

I decided to have a cooked breakfast this morning only to find that my fridge had succumbed to bacon poverty. On enquiries to emergency services I was shocked to find that bacon poverty is suffered by tens of thousand of fridges throughout the country. Perhaps John Key may like to devote some time to tackling this problem instead of fiddling around with flags.
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June 5, 2015 8:15am
Griff

CLIMATE CHANGE
Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/06/03/science.aaa5632.full
Abstract

Much study has been devoted to the possible causes of an apparent decrease in the upward trend of global surface temperatures since 1998, a phenomenon that has been dubbed the global warming “hiatus.” Here we present an updated global surface temperature analysis that reveals that global trends are higher than reported by the IPCC, especially in recent decades, and that the central estimate for the rate of warming during the first 15 years of the 21st century is at least as great as the last half of the 20th century. These results do not support the notion of a “slowdown” in the increase of global surface temperature.

discussion
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/06/noaa-temperature-record-updates-and-the-hiatus/

Misdiagnosis of Earth climate sensitivity based on energy balance model results
Abstract

Monckton of Brenchley et al. (Sci Bull 60:122–135, 2015) (hereafter called M15) use a simple energy balance model to estimate climate response. They select parameters for this model based on semantic arguments, leading to different results from those obtained in physics-based studies. M15 did not validate their model against observations, but instead created synthetic test data based on subjective assumptions. We show that M15 systematically underestimate warming: since 1990, most years were warmer than their modelled upper limit. During 2000–2010, RMS error and bias are approximately 150 % and 350 % larger than for the CMIP5 median, using either the Berkeley Earth or Cowtan and Way surface temperature data. We show that this poor performance can be explained by a logical flaw in the parameter selection and that selected parameters contradict observational estimates. M15 also conclude that climate has a near-instantaneous response to forcing, implying no net energy imbalance for the Earth. This contributes to their low estimates of future warming and is falsified by Argo float measurements that show continued ocean heating and therefore a sustained energy imbalance. M15’s estimates of climate response and future global warming are not consistent with measurements and so cannot be considered credible.

discussion
http://www.skepticalscience.com/monckton15errors.html

let the wingnut wittering commence.
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June 5, 2015 8:19am
Paulus

How sad to hear the Coroner’s comments re the death of a young child partially due to a damp Housing Corporation property in South Auckland.
I could consider nothing worse than losing a child.
The story I am hearing is perhaps incomplete – I understand that HC put a new roof on the house when requested. Was nothing else checked for weather tightness at that time ?
HC gave the tenant a heater but she could not afford the electricity – why not – surely Winz would have come to the party ?
As I understand she had four young children -any man in the house ?
HC said that they do houses and are not a social service and it is not their defined role to be so. They are a housing provider .
I am getting the feeling that many sad cases of child neglect may be caused by ignorance of what is available.
Surely had she contacted Winz she may have been acquainted with what is available to her – did she ?
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June 5, 2015 8:20am
Left Right and Centre

Labour want to end three strikes . . .

Sure they do; 2008 – strike 1, 2011 – strike 2, 2014 – strike 3.
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June 5, 2015 8:21am
Simon

It has been a while since partial sale of some SOEs. Suicide rates haven’t jumped, children haven’t been abandoned and society hasn’t collapsed as expected. Very strange.
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June 5, 2015 8:39am
ross411

oldpark (587 comments) says:
June 5th, 2015 at 8:09 am
Time for a change, the new better than Holmes or Hoskins has arrived, Andrew Dickens.

So, are you saying Dickens is actually good, or just better than the low low quality presented by the same same presenters we get from Holmes, to Hoskins, to Campbell? Which is to say, similarly limp, and capable if a mayor is caught giving it to some employee on the public owned furniture, of whitewashing it with a ‘one hand washes the other’ interview?
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June 5, 2015 8:42am
ross411

unitedtribes (40 comments) says:
June 5th, 2015 at 8:15 am
I decided to have a cooked breakfast this morning only to find that my fridge had succumbed to bacon poverty. On enquiries to emergency services I was shocked to find that bacon poverty is suffered by tens of thousand of fridges throughout the country. Perhaps John Key may like to devote some time to tackling this problem instead of fiddling around with flags.

Hey man, it’s not like you’re paying dollars out of your hard earned wages, to pay for some silly quiz to be given to everyone within our country where they try and push through some lame new non-offensive flag that the majority couldn’t care less about.

No, wait, it’s exactly like that.
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June 5, 2015 8:45am
RightNow

Griff, too busy laughing sorry
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June 5, 2015 8:45am
ross411

Paulus (2,988 comments) says:
June 5th, 2015 at 8:20 am
I am getting the feeling that many sad cases of child neglect may be caused by ignorance of what is available.
Surely had she contacted Winz she may have been acquainted with what is available to her – did she ?

Wow Paulus, you should be a journalist. But hey, what we’ve seen in post after post here, is that if you were a journalist you’d somehow not ask these questions. Why? I do not know. Maybe the good journalists get blackballed by the unions for making the bad ones appear to be the lame ducks they actually are. Who knows?
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June 5, 2015 8:51am
Manolo

Addled Griff has lit his first joint of the day (was it Colombian?), hence his sensible AGW comment.
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June 5, 2015 9:02am
Inandout

ross411: A scarcity of bacon will become the norm when sharia law is imposed. I can picture bacon lovers secretly meeting in dark basements, and discussing the best types for a perfect fry.
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June 5, 2015 9:28am
Lance

@Inandout
I kind of had a funny experience along those lines.
I spent 6 months on Kibbutz in Israel many moons ago.
The Jews love classical music but there is a problem when it comes to Wagner. They love his music (secretly) but Wagner was an antisemite and his music favorite of Hitler.
So it is no go…. sort of.

I worked my way into the trusted inner circle at the Kibbutz and one night I was (in hushed tones) invited to a Wagner evening.
We meet at 10:00pm at a rendezvous, we sneaked undetected to a remote house, where we watched a Wagner concert on a TV and VCR player. We then carefully departed at regular intervals to avoid detection.
I was so bloody funny.

BTW bacon can be bought in Israel, some butchers stock………………… ‘desert chicken’ ah hemm.
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June 5, 2015 9:38am
RightNow

Griff, here’s one of the funny parts of K 15. ..
“0.12 +/- 1.7 deg”

Also funny, k15 discounts the Argo data because it’s at 5m depth not surface, and replace it with data from depths as much as 15m.

Lol
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June 5, 2015 9:44am
stephieboy

The Fox News Lie Machine ,

Martha MacCallum Pushes Fox Lie – Obama Ignores ISIS’ Christian Victims

“As America’s Christian “news” network, Fox is very upset about ISIS’s persecution of Christians – so upset that they’re willing to use these poor folks to advance the popular Fox meme that the Christian hating Obama is ignoring them. This morning, alleged “news” host, Martha MacCallum showed us how it’s done.
The news that Syrian Christians were abducted by ISIS hit the media yesterday, but within nanoseconds, the right wing hateosphere was ablaze with fury about how our secret Muslim president was ignoring the plight of these poor folks. Never letting a propaganda opportunity go to waste, Jesus (and Cardinal Dolan’s) pal Martha MacCallum jumped on board the smear train this morning…..”

Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/20150225_martha_maccallum_pushes_fox_lie_obama_ignores_isis_christian_victims#sg657ruBppP6Itth.99
Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/20150225_martha_maccallum_pushes_fox_lie_obama_ignores_isis_christian_victims#sg657ruBppP6Itth.99
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June 5, 2015 9:44am
jcuk

Paulus Gnone … while those guys did their boating another good keen man’s training schedule called for a three hour exercise so while most who could cowered in their homes from the Dunedin weather he ran up Mt Cargil using the Bethunes Gully track not just once but twice … that was up and down then up again and back down .. he showed me a photo of the track which was a raging stream of water. He had been given an PLB for his birthday the previous week before and he is in his mid forties …they say the body gets better at this endurance stuff with maturity.
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June 5, 2015 9:54am
Manolo

How offensive! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111295/Newsreader-forced-apologise-referring-immigrants-kebab-technicians-air-recording-accidentally-beamed-viewers-Sweden.html

A newsreader has been forced to apologise after stating immigrants are often ‘kebab technicians’ during off-air recording which was accidentally broadcast to viewers in Sweden.
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June 5, 2015 9:57am
Lance

Oh look, Dear Winston is talking drivel again

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11460240

So Auckland finally, after decades of criminal neglect has an huge 1/3 of roading money spent on it, never mind it’s 1/3 of the population.
Meantime in West Auckland we have 1/2 a hospital for 300,000 people, obscene delays to achieve anything with council and all govt resources are ridiculously overloaded.
Yea, it’s all milk and honey here.

Ignorance in action.
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June 5, 2015 9:58am
Manolo

This is what the resident multiculturalist wants for NZ: savagery Muslim-style.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3110801/What-children-seen-ISIS-beheads-Libyan-soldier-outside-mosque-education-purposes-youngsters-don-t-shocked.html

Barbaric jihadis fighting for the Islamic State in Libya have brutally beheaded a government soldier outside a mosque while children no older than eight years old look on.

The savage execution took place in the northern port city of Derna, which was seized by ISIS militants in October last year as the country tore itself apart in civil war.
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June 5, 2015 10:01am
Griff

😆
right now ponder this
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
Dealing with the fractally wrong

You’re wrong there, and there, oh, and there too, there, now let’s step back a little, yep, still wrong.

Debating a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person’s opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, which requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one—kind of like a recursive Gish Gallop, where each point both surrounds and is surrounded by an equally wrong argument. It is worth noting that being fractally wrong can be handy for the losing side in a public debate, since you are likely to leave your opponent looking baffled and unable to deal with each level of wrongness.

It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time.

While arguing with these people can be amusing at times, we suggest that if you ever get embroiled in a discussion with a fractally wrong person on the Internet—in mailing lists, newsgroups, or forums—your best bet is to say your piece once and ignore any replies, thus saving yourself time.

The elnino of 1997 1998 is an outlying statistic with a known cause hence not significant to the underlying global warming trend.
Even a school kid with a basic understanding of statistics knows you dont start a trend on an outlying point and expect it to give you a true picture .
https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/its-the-trend-stupid-3/
yet Right now……
Funny you bet. The joke is you
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June 5, 2015 10:04am
Manolo

AGWmongers at work: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientists have found a solution to the 15-year “pause” in global warming: They “adjusted” the hiatus in warming out of the temperature record.

New climate data by NOAA scientists doubles the warming trend since the late 1990s by adjusting pre-hiatus temperatures downward and inflating temperatures in more recent years.
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June 5, 2015 10:13am
cas

Another piece in the Herald about why kids miss out.

I would welcome some investigative journalism which shows how many kids there are in some of these families. Methinks it might be more than 2.
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June 5, 2015 10:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has the “missing heat” that was lurking in the depths of the ocean been found, then?
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June 5, 2015 10:21am
Dennis Horne

Griff. Thanks for persevering. There are questions to answer, that is indisputable.
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June 5, 2015 10:29am
Tauhei Notts

Why are provincial towns dying?
Just chatting with a solo mother who is shifting to a city as the rent is lower than what she is presently paying in a provincial town.
BUT, get this; her Accommodation Supplement will INCREASE because cities are more expensive!
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June 5, 2015 10:31am
Paulus Gnome

inandout – ‘A scarcity of bacon will become the norm when sharia law is imposed. I can picture bacon lovers secretly meeting in dark basements, and discussing the best types for a perfect fry.’

Won’t need sniffer dogs to catch us out! These towel-heads don’t know what they are missing
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June 5, 2015 10:37am
mandk

This is excellent news:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11460213
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June 5, 2015 10:44am
Harriet

“….I decided to have a cooked breakfast this morning only to find that my fridge had succumbed to bacon poverty….”

Go and check your local sports stadium, swimming center, school tuckshops ect and you probably won’t find bacon in anything.

In Aussie bacon products are being withdrawn from anyplace that the councils have an interest in – so as not to ‘offend muslims’. The public don’t get told about it – the tuckshops ect just stop placing orders for bacon and cheese pies ect from their suppliers.
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June 5, 2015 10:47am
Manolo

When did Miss Dim take Spanish citizenship? http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/ebay-vs-woman-who-claims-ownership-of-the-sun-is-actually-going-to-court/ar-BBkGen0?ocid=mailsignoutmd

A Spanish woman has won the right to take eBay to court after it blocked her account because she had been selling plots of land on the Sun.
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June 5, 2015 10:47am
Griff

mandk (1,384 comments) says:
June 5th, 2015 at 10:44 am

This is excellent news:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11460213

A Wanganui health professional who pleaded guilty to manslaughter after a child was left in a hot car has been discharged without conviction.
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June 5, 2015 10:56am
RightNow

Griff, I’ve noticed a lot of warmists are hoping like mad for a strong El Nino this year that might push temperatures upwards again. Clearly these people are “fractally wrong”, but they’re funny in their desperation so I find it best to just laugh.

So anyhoo, that trend is looking pretty solid at about 1.3c per century. A welcoming amount of warming, which coupled with the increase in atmospheric plant food bodes well for humanity. Oh, except for the nutters who think cheap energy must be eradicated.
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June 5, 2015 11:00am
Griff

“Warmist”
That would be every major scientific body on the planet.
http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
97% of publishing climate scientists.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
97 % of the peer reviewed literature
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article
This leaves you as a fringe dweller right now.
One who doesn’t link to the source of his information.
Because…
back to fractally wrong.

PS do keep up el nino was declared months ago
So far this year has been significantly higher than last.
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June 5, 2015 11:12am
RightNow

So you’re saying every major scientific body on the planet, etc, is fractally wrong?

I guess after looking again at MBH ’99, with it’s big El Nino spike at the end, I’m inclined to agree with you. Predicating a global panic based on an unusually strong El Nino… well I’d drop “fractally” from “fractally wrong”
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June 5, 2015 11:13am
Dennis Horne

Besides a putative increase in global surface temperatures, what other changes are there to Earth if more energy is retained?
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June 5, 2015 11:15am
publicwatchdog

The sordid Saudi sheep ‘bribe’ affair becomes more so?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/275465/govt-concedes-it's-part-of-the-saudi-problem

Govt concedes it’s part of the Saudi problem

Benedict Collins, Political Reporter – benedict.collins@radionz.co.nz

Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully has conceded that Saudi businessman Hamood Al Ali Al-Khalaf was unhappy with the National Government when it did not lift the live exports ban in 2010.

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In 2009, the National Government’s Agriculture Minister David Carter said he was thinking about lifting the ban on live sheep exports that had been in place since 2003.

But a year later, he extended the ban.

Mr McCully was asked if Mr Al-Khalaf felt misled by the Government.

“Look, I think you’ll find that the National Government did exactly the right thing by telling Mr Al-Khalaf what was going to be possible and what wasn’t, what the rules were going to be, to the extent that he was disappointed with that,” Mr McCully said.

“Fronting up and having a discussion with him – that’s something the previous government hadn’t done, and that’s why he was taking legal advice about his remedies.”

The Government has since struck a controversial deal with Mr Al-Khalaf, spending more than $11 million kitting out his Saudi farm, including flying 900 sheep there.

Mr McCully said the Government was trying to avoid a potential $30 million legal claim but continues to blame that on the former Labour Government, an allegation that is fiercely disputed by Labour.

However, Labour MP and former trade minister Phil Goff said Labour had also considered lifting the live sheep export ban in 2007 – if its concerns about the welfare of sheep while at sea could be met.

But Mr Goff said another problem became apparent.

“And that was the problem of inhumane slaughter.

“You’ll recall there was coverage on television of Australian live exports to the Middle East ,where animals were having their tendons cut in order to immobilise them prior to slaughter, where animals were being slaughtered inhumanely.

“And Cabinet made the decision in 2007 that we could not tolerate that sort of thing,” Mr Goff told reporters this week.

But as part of the deal Mr McCully made with Mr Al-Khalaf, taxpayers will be funding an abattoir on his farm and Saudi laws will apply when it comes to how livestock are treated and killed there.

Labour MP Damien O’Connor said Saudis often slaughtered animals in ways New Zealanders would find inhumane.

“To think that those animals would go and then be slaughtered in a way that we’d be horrified adds further fuel on the fire,” Mr O’Connor said.

“It’s pretty barbaric – we should not be in anyway allowing or condoning this.”

Green MP Steffan Browning, said if New Zealand’s funding the slaughterhouse, then this country’s animal welfare standards should be met.

New Zealand First’s Richard Prosser said he understood that while New Zealanders will pay for the abattoir, Mr Al-Khalaf will own it.

He said if that was the case, the Saudis would set the rules.

Yesterday, the Government blocked an attempt in Parliament by the Labour Party to make Cabinet papers from 2007 public.

Prime Minister John Key claimed the papers would reveal that Labour was considering doing a deal of its own with Mr Al-Khalaf.

Labour said he was bluffing, and worried that the Government will be shown to have paid a bribe to Mr Al-Khalaf to try to secure a free trade deal with the Gulf States.

Radio New Zealand has lodged an urgent official information act request for the four Cabinet papers.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Gosh – I do hope that Prime Minister John Key isn’t telling any fibs on this increasingly sordid matter?

‘Nothing to hide – nothing to fear?’ – sort of thing?

Why then, did the Government block ‘an attempt in Parliament by the Labour Party to make Cabinet papers from 2007 public’?

Whatever happened to Ministers exhibiting the ‘highest ethical standards’, here in New Zealand, purported to be the SECOND ‘least corrupt country in the world’, (according to the Transparency International 2014 ‘Corruption Perception Index’?)

Oh – that’s right.

According to the Cabinet Manual – the one to whom Ministers are held accountable for exhibiting ‘the highest ethical standards’ – is the PRIME Minister…..

High time for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for ALL New Zealand MPs?

Why don’t we already have one?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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June 5, 2015 11:15am
SGA

Lance at 9:38 am

BTW bacon can be bought in Israel, some butchers stock………………… ‘desert chicken’ ah hemm.

lol – I know someone who worked in an US-based Israeli restaurant where “white steak” was a popular menu item.
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June 5, 2015 11:18am
Harriet

“…Griff (9,740 comments) says:

So far this year has been significantly higher than last…..”

We’ve noticed. 🙂
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June 5, 2015 11:34am
kowtow

They’re are quick to blame everything on Climate change, nope it as just a big rain storm.

“The Green Party and Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull have been quick to link the downpour to climate change.”

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/344762/dont-blame-climate-change-city-deluge-weather-experts-say
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June 5, 2015 11:40am
unitedtribes

Harriet

“….I decided to have a cooked breakfast this morning only to find that my fridge had succumbed to bacon poverty….”

My post was a dig at the professor “who;s your father” from a university down south who was complaining about “fuel poverty” after the sad incident of the damp house. The Mother couldn’t afford the fuel it seems.
These lefties are inventing crisis and now poverty about everything. They think if they bandy these two words around they will attract votes. I think it will lead to a crisis for them and vote poverty.
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June 5, 2015 12:27pm
kowtow

I reckon the moron is the American general telling the terrorists how they hit them! It amounts to treachery. My God, what would Churchill say about how this campaign is being waged .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11652942/Moron-militants-selfie-leads-to-US-air-raid-on-Isil-unit.html
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June 5, 2015 12:35pm
stephieboy

Manolo, you are starting to become a habitual liar and that could in part be due to your addiction to the Fox News lie machine .Of course what ISIS do is shocking and rightly condemned . However that does not mean we try to tar all Muslims with the same brush as you manically attempt to do.

It made me think of the first Cambodian refugees who arrived and settled here shortly after the rise and then fall of Pol Pot . Do we tarnish those refugees because of the actions of the brutal and murderous Khmer Rouge and their leader ?

Of course not ! Your long overdue for that much needed follow up with your Shrink.
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June 5, 2015 12:41pm
Manolo

Champagne socialist and nice bird of lunatic/shocking political preferences:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11652138/Charlotte-Church-David-Cameron-is-a-misogynist.html

David Cameron is a “misogynist”, the singer Charlotte Church has said, as she insisted she would pay 70% income tax if it improved public services.

Miss Church, who voted Labour at the election but said she would now vote Green, made the comments as she announced her support for a major march against planned Government cuts later this month.
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June 5, 2015 12:46pm
wellygirl

Good Morning all,

Today is a beautiful (so far) blue sky day in Beijing at a warm 21 degrees (forecast for 32), and a (slightly) unhealthy AQI reading of 179. The sky is blue, and the rain is gone, and there is some wind, so all in all a pleasant day.
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June 5, 2015 12:50pm
kowtow

Cambodian refugees fled terror and persecution. Muslim immigrants spread terror and persecution. Keep them out.
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June 5, 2015 12:50pm
kowtow

welygirl

50 minutes too late to offer us a good morning. Other than that ,have a nice day!
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June 5, 2015 12:52pm
Manolo

kowtow’s logic is fine: Muslim immigrants should not be allowed into NZ. They carry a vile and violent religion with them.
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June 5, 2015 12:52pm
stephieboy

kowtow, which Muslims immigrants actually and how many of the 50,000 here are involved in spreading terror precisely ??
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June 5, 2015 12:54pm
Manolo

All because of the eternally lazy Greeks. It will rattle the stockmarkets tomorrow:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11652893/Greece-misses-IMF-payment-in-warning-shot-as-showdown-with-Europe-escalates.html

Greece is to take the drastic step of skipping a €300m payment to the International Monetary Fund on Friday, invoking an obscure mechanism in abeyance since the 1970s to bundle all debts due in June and pay them at the end of the month.

It is the first time that a developed country has ever missed a payment to the IMF since the creation of the Bretton Woods institutions at the end of the Second World War.

The news broke after the Athens stock exchange had closed but a bloodbath is feared when the bourse opens on Friday. Yields on two-year Greek bonds spiked 63 basis points to 21.8pc amid mounting fears of a deposit run on Greek banks and the imposition of capital controls as soon as this weekend.
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June 5, 2015 12:55pm
kowtow

how many of the 50,000 here are involved in spreading terror precisely ??

Too many.
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June 5, 2015 1:05pm
wellygirl

Sorry Kowtow, Good Afternoon All.

Better. 🙂

Have a good afternoon yourself.
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June 5, 2015 1:05pm
wellygirl

Oops, meant to put a ? not full-stop after Better in my previous post!
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June 5, 2015 1:15pm
stephieboy

kowtow, “Too Many ” ? Yet another of your puff pieces !
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June 5, 2015 1:19pm
wellygirl

Manolo @ 12.46pm:

I wonder if she understands what a misogynist is.

There is an issue with the use of this overblown hyperbolic language by left wing activists, and that irks me. I am not impressed when women go around calling men misogynists when they criticise them, or rightly dismiss some of their more idiotic utterings.
I don’t know what the situation in this case was, she certainly didn’t elaborate on what she had said that she claims David Cameron dismissed, or how he was dismissive towards her, but if what I have seen of her previously on tv, she comes across as a bit of an airhead, so I would probably have been dismissive of anything she had to say as well!

The problem as I see it with a lot of these women, they claim to want equality, but when they are given similar treatment that a man may receive in some circumstances, (ie: treated with contempt when they say something stupid, criticised for their illogical arguments, or made to back up their statements), they start crying sexism, misogyny and demanding special treatment because they are a woman. Charlotte Church comes across as a woman like this. Just because they are women it doesn’t give them an automatic right to have what they say be taken as valid and credible, like everyone in this world a woman should stand up and be judged on what she says and does, not the fact she is a woman, and that is both positively and negatively judged.

Sorry about that guys & gals, what was going to be a short post has turned into a slightly longer rant! Maybe I should offer to do a guest post for DPF on this and get all my ranting out in one go! 🙂
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June 5, 2015 1:40pm
kowtow

wellygirl

Sorry but couldn’t turn up the chance of proving to be a pedantic post meridiem poster.
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June 5, 2015 1:49pm
wellygirl

Kowtow… Hahaha… fair enough, I would probably have done the same! 🙂

Next time I could just go for a generic howdy! 😉
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June 5, 2015 1:56pm
Manolo

These Muslim boys will make fellow multiculturalist stephieboy proud: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/06/04/isis-shows-off-us-gear-seized-from-iraqis-in-fighting-near-fallujah/

A new video from ISIS reportedly depicts the terrorist army showing off U.S. military equipment seized from Iraq troops in fierce fighting near Fallujah.
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June 5, 2015 2:01pm
Nostradamus

Manolo:

I’m sure this is all a terrible misunderstanding on your part. UglyTruth should be along shortly to put you on the right track.
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June 5, 2015 2:08pm
Nostradamus

Here’s a new case for Super Sleuth Penny to investigate:

Gloriavale Christian Community families could be claiming many thousands of dollars a year in Working for Families subsidies.

However, a Gloriavale elder this week refused to answer questions about any allowances being claimed, saying it was their personal business.

Working for Families pays extra money to thousands of New Zealand families with children.

While Gloriavale residents do not claim the unemployment benefit, members who have left claim those in the community claimed Working for Families allowances.

The article states that Gloriavale residents (who live in a closed community) work for a charity and may not be paid. I’m not sure that Working for Families was ever meant to cover this situation. It all sounds potentially dodgy.
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June 5, 2015 2:17pm
Swifty

I have had an interesting experience today about 1pm that I’d like to share and seek your respective views on.

My local barber is on Stoddard Rd, Mt Roskill. It is owned by a great young guy, a Fijian-Indian, who gives a great service at a good price. He lives locally and his kids are friendly with mine. Works his arse off, until recently 6.5 days a week. Recently down to six, as he’s got another guy in.

Just as I was walking over to sit in the chair a Somali guy who had been hovering around the shop entrance as I was waiting cruises up to the ‘bench’ grabs a hand-held trimmer and starts touching up his designer stubble.

The owner goes off. “Don’t touch my stuff without asking” and “that cost me $270, if you dropped it I know you would say sorry, but you wouldn’t pay me for it. I know you.”…….etc etc

The Somali was all apologetic and eventually slunk out the door.

The owner was then fuming the rest of my trim and he really vented. “That’s happened a few times Swifty” he said, “always Somalis”. “No respect for other people’s gear”. “None of them work, they’ve been here for years, they’re all on benefits, spend their day smoking and drinking coffee at the coffee shop”. Some of this I know to be true as I see it myself daily on my walks.

Now, I ask you all. With respect to recent claims for raising our refugee levels, am I wrong to suggest that we maybe shouldn’t?

From my personal experience, if we’re talking refugees from the Pacific, Europe, most of Asia the Americas etc then no problem, but where currently not many refugees are originating from.

But is NZ really better off from taking refugees in larger numbers from war-torn North Africa and the Middle-East; tribal societies, largely uneducated and, I’ll say it, who for centuries have been ruled by theocracies, where women are distinctly second-class, primitive superstitions prevail, life is cheap, clerics govern, democracy was we know it has never been present, learning about science, literature etc is largely absent etc etc.

I know that people are saying accepting more refugees is the right thing to do – but where is the conversation about from where we should allow them to come from? What values do they hold etc? How many is too many? What will it mean for NZ in 30, 50, 100 years? Are these things being considered by our mandarins?

Your thoughts are welcome.
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June 5, 2015 4:16pm
Viking2

America’s Cup hero and colourful tycoon Alan Bond dies
3:39 PM Friday Jun 5, 2015

Alan Bond, the high flying businessman who dominated Australian headlines in the 1980s and won the Amercia’s Cup, has died aged 77.

The tycoon suffered complications from triple bypass surgery on Tuesday and did not regain consciousness in the days following at Perth’s Fiona Stanley Hospital.

His family said outside the hospital: “Dad passed away this morning about an hour ago. His body finally gave out after heroic efforts of everyone involved here at the Intensive Care Unit at Fiona Stanley Hospital.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11460508
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June 5, 2015 4:34pm
lilman

I see the right to die lady has passed,never any joy in someone passing,especially someone who it seems has led a full and productive life.
Am very surprised that she even tried to have this litigated as it is not possible under our laws.
The judge could only return one outcome.
She may have been trying for change and this may or may not be admirable but the court isn’t the place for this.
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June 5, 2015 4:46pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Alan Bond was a crook through and through.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/alan-bond-dead-paul-barrys-account-of-a-man-who-tricked-australia/ar-BBkHVB0
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June 5, 2015 5:19pm
Reid

Rand Paul calling for the release of the 28 redacted pages.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/06/03/414198/US-CIA-911-false-flag-Saudi-

Meanwhile the sheeple bleat and baa in their green green meadow and continue happily munching on the lies of the MSM, completely unaware the meat truck is already on its way…

And more on what you already know. Yawn. (I mean, who doesn’t know that? Seriously. Duh.)

Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
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June 5, 2015 5:26pm
Fletch

I’m not a sports fan, so not exactly sure who he was (rugby union?), but Jerry Collins and his wife have died in a car crash.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/69152950/Former-All-Black-Jerry-Collins-killed-in-car-accident-in-France
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June 5, 2015 5:28pm
Zapper

I know exactly who he was, he was as tough as they come, and a very good All Black and Hurricane.

RIP Jerry and his partner, and all the best to their 3 month old fighting for her life.
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June 5, 2015 6:42pm
Johnboy

Us whiteys have a lot to answer for. We should have allowed iwi licences! 🙂
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June 5, 2015 6:49pm
stigie

A headline in the Nelson Evening mail today….”Labour rebuilding for the future- Little”

Fuck me, haven’t they been trying to rebuild for 7 years now ? Weren’t they better 5 years ago ?
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June 5, 2015 7:06pm
Johnboy

Labour have always been aiming for a little future stigie! 🙂
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June 5, 2015 7:10pm
stigie

They are fucking clowns, a sad lot JB.
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June 5, 2015 7:17pm
Johnboy

Labour were hardest under Helen stigie!

Think about it! 🙂
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June 5, 2015 7:19pm
stigie

Why the downticks JB, do your gumboots smell or something or been somewhere where they shouldn’t have been ole chap ?
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June 5, 2015 7:20pm
Johnboy

The downtick folks relish downticking every comment a towering giant such as myself makes stigie.

They feel it makes them less of a lesser creature than they actually are! 🙂
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June 5, 2015 7:25pm
stigie

“Labour were hardest under Helen stigie”!

http://images.theothernews.co.nz/2009/08/Helen.jpg
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June 5, 2015 7:25pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkkamw7z4iy3vkz/Wankstain%202.jpg?dl=0
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June 5, 2015 7:27pm
stigie

“They feel it makes them less of a lesser creature than they actually are!”

You put it too nicely there JB when in fact they are more than likely short arse cunts !~
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June 5, 2015 7:36pm
James Stephenson

I know exactly who he was, he was as tough as they come, and a very good All Black and Hurricane.

Sad end to a depressing day. As a wing and fullback, I’ve paradoxically always had 6’s and 8’s as my rugby heroes. It might not sound like praise to you kiwis but for this Pom, Jerry is up there with Micky Skinner and Dean Richards in my personal hall of fame. RIP big fella.
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June 5, 2015 7:51pm
Nostradamus

Selfie by ISIS “moron” leads bombers to his HQ

Islamic State terrorists have frightened parents and pundits around the world with their highly effective use of social media to spread propaganda.

But it seems not all ISIS fighters are social media experts.

Military.com reports that US Air Force General Hawk Carlisle, who is the head of Air Combat Command, described in a speech on Monday an event where social media spelled disaster for ISIS.

An ISIS “moron” probably just wanted to help intimidate the world with his group’s capabilities.

Instead he caught the attention of airmen and intelligence officers stationed in Florida, and soon they were raining bombs onto him and his colleagues.

I guess that’s elevating the concept of “taking one for the team” to a whole new level!
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June 5, 2015 8:58pm
Scott Chris

The downtick folks relish downticking every comment a towering giant such as myself makes

Minus is Flossie mate. You left the laptop in the wool shed again ya pillock! 🙂
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June 5, 2015 9:10pm
Viking2

Bed time viewing.

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/tv/four_seasons_condoms_getnaked
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June 5, 2015 9:13pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fa0jnegbk0gge0l/Muslim%2054.jpg?dl=0
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June 5, 2015 9:15pm
Thelensofhistory

I would like to point out that public submissions have opened for the 2015 New Defence White Paper. If You’re like me and you are disgusted at the treatment the NZDF has received at the hands of successive governments , now is the time to have your say.

https://forms.nzdf.mil.nz/defence/defencereviewonline.aspx

I have made my submission publicly available on my blog.
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June 5, 2015 11:53pm
Dennis Horne

@Thelensofhistory. China will take NZ and protect its citizens. Not me, I won’t be here, and my children live in Europe. They will be enslaved by Islam.

If you have a very small nuclear bomb, I have a very light aircraft…

Otherwise we can’t do anything. Western civilisation is going the same way as all previous civilisations.
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June 6, 2015 5:26am
Left Right and Centre

Rugby followers . . .

With the tragic loss of Jerry Collins I started thinking about his age when he left NZ rugby – 27. Chose to leave when surely he would’ve played a part in the 2011 WRC ? Then I thought – he’s almost exactly the same age as another player likely to feature in the *2015* WRC – Richie McCaw.

But Jerry left NZ rugby *ages* ago (slipping off into relative obscurity) and yet McCaw is still playing for AB selection. Same age – hard to believe they are same age same era; Jerry ‘should be older’ if that makes any sense ? I’m not making any big point it’s just pondering.

You’ve heard of the kiss of death – well – this could be ‘the kiss of life’ championship-sealing event for the Canes – now they’ve also got the all important thus-far-missing heart-wrenching motivational off-field emotional tie-in story to give them the extra ‘we’re doing it for Jerry’ gee-up that will see them claim a long-awaited first title. Think of it like a squad of Popeyes who were leading *before* opening their cans of spinach. Time will tell.
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June 6, 2015 5:41am
Manolo

That is dirty politics: http://freebeacon.com/politics/democratic-oppo-firms-fingerprints-on-nyt-rubio-hit/

According to a search of the Miami-Dade and Duval County court dockets, the Rubios have been cited for numerous infractions over the years for incidents that included speeding, driving through red lights and careless driving.

A review of records dating back to 1997 shows that the couple had a combined 17 citations: Mr. Rubio with four and his wife with 13. On four separate occasions they agreed to attend remedial driving school.
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