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Manolo

Ouch: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102796455

U.S. stocks fell more than 1.5 percent on Monday, following a decline in global markets on the escalating Greece debt crisis. The Dow Jones Industrial Average had tumbled more than 300 points just 30 minutes before markets closed.
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June 30, 2015 8:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Marriage is a mystery
that leaves us all bemused
But when Dave weds Steve
no kids can they conceive
and dear old Dennis is discombobulated
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June 30, 2015 8:09am
Odakyu-sen

NZ dollar declining relative to the yen. (Yay!) The long-term norm of 75-80 yen to the dollar will be nice…

The trouble is that I am too much of a chicken to try and “catch a falling knife” as the stock investors say, and then I hold off buying in a rising market for fear of a correction. I’m going to have to go back to fundamentals and resist buying on impulse.

Tell you what, bank savings rates have been taking a hammering. Still, even at 3% from KiwiBank, if the real rate of inflation in NZ is 1%, then I’m ahead of the game. (Mind you, these CPI figures leave out an awful lot of important stuff like the price of certain basic foods, goods and services.)

With the long Japanese recession that began in 1992, I haven’t had a rate increase from my clients in over 20 years, and the long-term trend in my industry has been downwards. Thank goodness my productivity has risen. Over that same period in Auckland, builders/plumbers’ hourly rates have doubled, and a glass of beer is now well over twice what it was back at the turn of the century.

On the other hand, when I look out over Rangitoto every morning, I am glad to be living in Auckland. Life is good and I have hope for my children.
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June 30, 2015 8:19am
Odakyu-sen

Go Maggy!

Dennis, look what you’ve done!
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June 30, 2015 8:22am
Simon

Interrest rates will rise as there be will lack of liquidty. NZ has 500 million in debt which means NZ is just as stuffed as the Greek state. Difference is its people who owe the debt. For NZ people to have any shot at getting through the state needs to be gutted to its core.

Interest rates in NZ to rise as capital worldwide flees to the U.S. Gut the state so the population can afford to pay down debt and the economy will fly The only solution.
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June 30, 2015 8:32am
Dennis Horne

There was an old botanist called Maggy
Who liked her men strong and strappy
I showed her my stalk
She was all talk
Saying I don’t want anything daggy
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June 30, 2015 8:35am
Odakyu-sen

There once was a lurker named Dennis,
Whose rhymes were simply a menace,

(Bugger! Now I’m addicted and stuck at the same time.)
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June 30, 2015 8:39am
Dennis Horne

There was an old Doctor Wassilieff
Who sought sex for her light relief
So she hired for her garden
A man who could harden
But he refused to dig under her fig leaf
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June 30, 2015 8:45am
lessparty

Thoughts on Polygamy
One of the Supreme Court judges involved in the same sex marriage decision has stated that the same moral arguments equally apply to polygamy. How can the State restrict how many people I am able to love? It is hurtful. Polygamy exists now, it consensual and it is common in nature, the norm in fact down on the farm, so it must be right. Think of the suffering of all of those French mistresses over the years who had no legal recourse.

When polygamy is legalised there can be no restriction on the number of partners you have as that would continue the discrimination. Muslims are allowed 5 wives but there are examples of Mormons with far more, 23 wives I think is not unheard of. Of course a wife will also be allowed multiple husbands as well not a model currently adopted in the aforementioned communities. These two examples given are for a sexual relationship between the husband and the wives only just as is for the most part found in nature. For equality we must be allowed to have as many wives or husbands as we like. There can be no arbitrary total placed on it as to do so would be unfair to those who wanted one more. King Solomon apparently had 700 wives so this could be an outer limit or something to aim for. This figure would though be unrealistic in China due to the effects of the one child policy but only for heterosexual partners, not to mention the budget considerations.

The logistics of all this should be none of the State’s business so if I have 17 wives and 6 husbands then if my husbands want to sleep with each other or my wives or my husbands with my wives then who is the State to interfere with my arrangements? Can they legislate the sanctioned interactions, where would the moral standard come from and how would they police them? If my husbands or wives were having a sexual relationship after two years would they be deemed to be husbands and wives as well in law? Bigamy of course would have to been removed from being a crime at the same time as polygamy was legalised but would this be considered adultery?

Divorce will become interesting, here I see some financial advantage for the wealthy. Currently my wife would be entitled to 50% of our assets. However if I have 23 marital partners I would assume that all of the others should not suffer so then she would only be entitled to 1/23 of our assets. Some comfort for the guy who just had a $1 billion settlement in the U.S. She would have only got $43 million.

Fun times for family lawyers ahead, my advice marry one of you can.
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June 30, 2015 8:49am
mikenmild

I just came across these cartoons. I think they’re really good:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/
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June 30, 2015 8:51am
hj

Odakyu-sen (1,534 comments) says:
I haven’t had a rate increase from my clients in over 20 years, and the long-term trend in my industry has been downwards. Thank goodness my productivity has risen. Over that same period in Auckland, builders/plumbers’ hourly rates have doubled
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So Auckland has a real estate economy? No whirly -gigs? I wonder if there is a parallel anywhere from the past, or is this just a new phenomena of globalisation?
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June 30, 2015 8:55am
Inandout

Is the Maori Freedom Flotilla funded from the annual $40 million of taxes stolen from us for their broadcasting?
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June 30, 2015 8:57am
hj

I heard (Radio NZ) David Cameron criticize British Muslims who “silently support ISIS”. This is a failure of multi-culturalism, which is: exaggerated differences amongst peoples?
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June 30, 2015 8:57am
Rich Prick

The Greeks voted for Tsipras on the promise he would tell the EU to sod off and bring his socialist nirvana to Greece. I wonder how that’s working out? I do feel a bit sorry for all those 50 year olds not being able to withdraw their pensions though.
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June 30, 2015 8:58am
thedavincimode

Looks like the fishman will be holding a cow up in Parliament next.
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June 30, 2015 9:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Odakyu-sen

(Bugger! Now I’m addicted and stuck at the same time.)

We perch at the feet of a master
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June 30, 2015 9:22am
dime

Greece is hilarious. standing in line hoping the ATM will work!

How many weeks til they are standing in line for bread and toilet paper?

but lemme guess.. its the corporations! and capitalism that did this BAHAHAHAHAHA
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June 30, 2015 9:26am
Kiwi Dave

Does this help, Odakyu-sen?

There once was a lurker named Dennis
Whose rhymes were simply a menace.
His rhythmic don’t-knowitry
Was passed off as poetry
And caused his readers to grimace.
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June 30, 2015 9:27am
Inandout

dime: Your comments on the non responding ATMs remind me of a Playboy cartoon I once saw of a perplexed character standing in the ruins of a city after a nuclear war. He was holding a television in one hand and the power cord in the other.
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June 30, 2015 9:40am
Odakyu-sen

Horray for Kiwi Dave!

Now I can get back to work.
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June 30, 2015 9:44am
Dennis Horne

There was an old Kiwi called Dave
Who lived deep down in a cave
He thought the Sun
Shone out his bum
But couldn’t account for the smell it gave
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June 30, 2015 9:47am
wreck1080

This story makes me furious.

Chilean girl comes to visit family in New Zealand , and says she will be playing with the 3 yr old niece while the parents are working.

So, morons at immigration say she is working in return for board and sends her back home.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11473088

Insane world!!! Bureaucrats deserve their bad rep. Lazy power hungry people . No doubt the immigration official went home and celebrated her destruction of a young persons holiday. And, probably got a bonus too.

And, how on earth did immigration release the video of the interview? Isn’t that a privacy breach too?
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June 30, 2015 9:48am
Lance

@wreck1080
Those areholes are but amateurs compared to the colossal arseholes of Auckland council employees/ inspectors.
I could go into details ad nauseam but methinks most people here could relate to how bad these nit-pickers are.
Rubbing salt into the wounds is that these mindless f-wits are horribly overpaid by my rates.
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June 30, 2015 9:59am
Inandout

wreck1080: Presumably she gave permission for the video release, or perhaps the privacy laws don’t apply to non citizens. I just wonder had she been a Muslim would they have publicised her story. As an aside, government employees’ workplaces have obviously come a long way since ‘Gliding On’.
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June 30, 2015 10:01am
Manolo

@wreck1080: Dead right. That immigration guy is a complete arsehole, who ruined this girl’s holidays.
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June 30, 2015 10:12am
Black with a Vengeance

Hands up for ozzy landlords ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69816233/state-house-sales-asset-sale-by-stealth–labour

FUCK THAT!!!
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June 30, 2015 10:13am
stephieboy

Reid posted the link below yesterday claiming that the Tunisia massacre of Tourists had all the hallmarks of a false attack and with it seems the all pervasive and sinister tentacles of Mossad / Jews implicated.

Of course the author is not the sharpest mind around and his claims consists of typically vague allegations of apparent anomalies , connecting all sorts of dots and i s . Purely speculative and of a kind typical of false flaggers and conspiracy theorists ,

http://aanirfan.blogspot.ca

A rejection of this kind of false and perverse thinking can be found here ,

“Within hours of the Charlie Hebdo massacre, internet forums were buzzing with alternative explanations for the attack. “The official story doesn’t add up,” people typed furiously into their keyboards. “We’re being lied to.”
Over the next few days, the rumors spread. Apparent glitches in reporting—as well as the “suspicious” suicide of the detective in charge of the investigation—were taken as evidence of subterfuge.
Most doubters, however, focused on scrutinizing amateur video footage of the event, asking whether policeman Ahmed Merabet was really shot in the head.. The questioning makes for grim reading. “Where’s the blood? Why no splatter?” asked Reddit users. Others offered rebuttals, posting videos of bloodless shootings and suggesting: “Heads don’t explode like watermelons.”
A long, imaginative list of alternative explanations was offered: It was a false flag attack, executed by Mossad to fuel anti-Muslim sentiment; it was carried out by the CIA for the same reason; it was French Jews; it was a “black-op power bloc operation” to back up the war on terror; Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said that the West “playing games with the Islamic world.….. “

https://www.vice.com/read/the-psychology-and-economy-of-conspiracy-theories-890
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June 30, 2015 10:18am
Jack5

Now I understand where poster Griff is coming from when he’s on a rave:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3143112/Eyes-glazed-tongue-hanging-mouth-Horrifying-video-shows-effects-marijuana-dog.html
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June 30, 2015 10:28am
Michael

TOO FUNNY NOT TO PASS ON!!
How Do Court Reporters Keep Straight Faces?

These are from a book called Disorder in the Courts and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while the exchanges were taking place.

ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
WITNESS: He said, ‘Where am I, Cathy?’
ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
WITNESS: My name is Susan!
_______________________________
ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
____________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
WITNESS: No, I just lie there.
____________________________________________
ATTORNEY: What is your date of birth?
WITNESS: July 18th.
ATTORNEY: What year?
WITNESS: Every year.
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ATTORNEY: How old is your son, the one living with you?
WITNESS: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can’t remember which.
ATTORNEY: How long has he lived with you?
WITNESS: Forty-five years.
_________________________________
ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget..
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
___________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn’t it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn’t know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
____________________________________

ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the 20-year-old, how old is he?
WITNESS: He’s 20, much like your IQ.
___________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you shitting me?
_________________________________________
ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Getting laid
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
____________________________________________
ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death..
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Take a guess.
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ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I’m going with male.
_____________________________________
ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
______________________________________
ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
_________________________________________
ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral…
_________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 PM
ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
____________________________________________
ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?

______________________________________
And last:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No..
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.
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June 30, 2015 10:32am
MT_Tinman

wreck1080 (4,392 comments) says:
June 30th, 2015 at 9:48 am

This story makes me furious.

Foreigner comes to NZ with $160. to her name. No skills, no job and no study to return to.

States her intention to overstay her visa by four months.

NZ border official refuses her entry.

What part of that is upsetting you?
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June 30, 2015 10:46am
Griff

Jack5
Considering the facts about pot have been pointed out to you many times you must have some sort of mental issues.
Probably fetal alcohol syndrome exacerbated by years of alcohol abuse .

For those who haven’t fucked their brains with piss .
I will not post a vid just suggest you go down to A&E or the local police station any Thursday Friday or Saturday night to see drunks covered in their own piss and puke.
You may even get to see jack 5 is his natural habitat.
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June 30, 2015 10:47am
Liberty

So why can’t the NZ Fourth Estate treat our xenophobic politician with the same fortitude
NBC. Has shown.
You’re fired! NBC ends relationship with Donald Trump after Hispanic groups
Billionaire had complained in his presidential launch speech that illegal immigrants are ‘bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3143620/NBC-Universal-ends-business-relationship-Trump-CNBC.html
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June 30, 2015 10:55am
Jack5

And good morning to you Griff (re your 10.47 post).

Where there’s (marijuana) smoke there’s ire.

However, I’m pleased my 10.28 post caught your attention.

Just remember like a good fellow to keep your marijuana well away from your dog. Feel free to fuck up your own brain, but please don’t be cruel to animals.
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June 30, 2015 10:57am
wreck1080

MT_Tinman:::

You would make a wonderful immigration official .

No visiting tourist shall look after a NZ based related child as it is deemed work and instant cause for rejection.

Jeez, get a life.
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June 30, 2015 11:04am
cricko

Sonny bites the dust.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11473358

Glad to see that there is a rahui on killing native pigeons in Northland.
That will be a great help.
(But, does that mean that Maori like Sonny can ignore the Law of the land just as long as it’s not in Northland ?)
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June 30, 2015 11:09am
Fletch

Abraham Lincoln talks about the decisions of the Supreme Court in view of the Dred Scott decision. It could equally apply to today and gay marriage.

Abraham Lincoln, “Speech on the Dred Scott Decision,” June 26, 1857:

Judicial decisions have two uses-first, to absolutely determine the case decided, and secondly, to indicate to the public how other similar cases will be decided when they arise. For the latter use, they are called “precedents” and “authorities.”

We believe, as much as Judge Douglas, (perhaps more) in obedience to, and respect for the judicial department of government. We think its decisions on Constitutional questions, when fully settled, should control, not only the particular cases decided, but the general policy of the country, subject to be disturbed only by amendments of the Constitution as provided in that instrument itself. More than this would be revolution. But we think the Dred Scott decision is erroneous. We know the court that made it, has often over-ruled its own decisions, and we shall do what we can to have it to over-rule this. We offer no resistance to it. Judicial decisions are of greater or less authority as precedents, according to circumstances. That this should be so, accords both with common sense, and the customary understanding of the legal profession.

If this important decision had been made by the unanimous concurrence of the judges, and without any apparent partisan bias, and in accordance with legal public expectation, and with the steady practice of the departments throughout our history, and had been in no part, based on assumed historical facts which are not really true; or, if wanting in some of these, it had been before the court more than once, and had there been affirmed and re-affirmed through a course of years, it then might be, perhaps would be, factious, nay, even revolutionary, to not acquiesce in it as a precedent.

But when, as it is true we find it wanting in all these claims to the public confidence, it is not resistance, it is not factious, it is not even disrespectful, to treat it as not having yet quite established a settled doctrine for the country.
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June 30, 2015 11:40am
MT_Tinman

Wreck, obviously I have a better life than you.

I don’t get upset when an official actually does their bloody job.

The facts are in the story, it’s the slime beat-up of those facts that fools the likes of you.

I suggest you get your minder to read the story to you again and this time you concentrate on ALL the story.
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June 30, 2015 11:41am
Manolo

The Mullahs ignored the Messiah: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-sent-iran-message-ahead-nuclear-deadline-report-112124355.html

Tehran (AFP) – US President Barack Obama recently sent a private message to Iran’s leadership via Iraq’s prime minister, an Iranian newspaper reported Monday on the eve of a deadline for a nuclear deal.

Hamshahri, Iran’s highest-circulation daily, citing a lawmaker, said “one of the leaders of a neighbouring country” took the message from Obama to officials in Tehran.
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June 30, 2015 11:46am
Ed Snack

Here’s one for Stephieboy and the Clinton fans. Some of the emails released to Congress by Sidney Blumenthal are “copies” of the same emails given by Hilary Clinton to State and thence to Congress. But Blumenthal’s are different, they contain text removed from the Clinton emails, so she’s gone through and doctored the emails before giving them to State ! And there are quite clearly emails to/from Blumenthal that simply aren’t in the emails given to State by Clinton.

And the content of the deletions ? Information showing that Clinton was aware of shortcomings in the NATO campaign she was advocating at the time, and also that she knew that the new Libyan “government” was aware which major oil companies and banks supported them during the rebellion and that this would be “remembered” by the “government” when it came to allowing access to Libya’s oil and gas reserves. Remember, this is as she’s taking $100 million from Canadian oil-and-uranium mining magnate Frank Guistra.

Not really news though, is it, after all, if Clinton does it, it must be OK ? But just imagine if this was a Republican presidential candidate doing this…

So the question is, is it acceptable for this editting and cleansing of official emails to have occurred ? Is it acceptable for anyone to do this, or just Hilary Clinton ?
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June 30, 2015 11:49am
Viking2

Ngapuhi leader Sonny Tau stands down over pigeon smuggling
10:37 AM Tuesday Jun 30, 2015

The birds were reportedly shot during a hunting trip, but it was unclear whether Sonny Tau was responsible for killing them.

Ngapuhi’s Sonny Tau has been forced to stand down as chair of the iwi’s settlement negotiation body Tuhoronuku while he faces an investigation into allegations he was carrying kereru.

Well-placed Ngapuhi sources reported Mr Tau was rolled during a meeting that went to midnight last night – at which only three of more than 20 Tuhoronuku members had supported him.

Treaty Minister Chris Finlayson confirmed he was advised this morning that Mr Tau had “either voluntarily or compulsorily” been stood down until an investigation into him was resolved.

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The inference being that it will be resolved, not that he will go to court and be sent to the sin bin.

Mr Finlayson believed the stand down was temporary but Mr Tau’s position was a matter for Tuhoronuku to decide.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11473358
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June 30, 2015 12:09pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

fucks sake. What the fuck has happened to the Kiwi dollar? Wasn’t it only a few weeks ago fanbois were jizzing their daks at the prospect of parity with the ocker? fucken rock star economy my arse. Now fucken fanbois will have to think of those lucky exporters as they fiddle with themselves. it’s all good, ah? Got to go now. Need to go do a great big steaming number two. But out of fucken dunny rolls. Any you fanbois got a few spare Kiwi dollars? Actually I think it could be explosive diarrhea. I might need at least 100!
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June 30, 2015 12:28pm
kowtow

NZ dollar. The dollar is not in trouble ,this is a good news story for our export dependant economy. It’s the pundits who report on the dollars’ rise as if it’s some sort of sports contest that we’re winning.

Simple fact is, it is cyclical, the US $ has been in the bin due to their low interest rates and struggling economy. That cycle is switching, and our rates look to be falling, so speculators are getting out of our dollar and going back to the US. Also the various crises will assist the greenback’s rise.

sir sweaty bollocks must be an importer.
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June 30, 2015 1:09pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSL–DMtaw
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June 30, 2015 1:37pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3lsHG-pl8
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June 30, 2015 1:38pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rHpvMmqlXk
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June 30, 2015 1:40pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci2v1HFaCZo
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June 30, 2015 1:42pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJYbi-PutGU
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June 30, 2015 1:45pm
Manolo

@Shawn Herles: I was not aware Putin was a follower of Mohammad, the paedophile and violent prophet. 😀
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June 30, 2015 1:49pm
hj

Media analyst Mark Dice’s latest stunt illustrates the stunning level of ignorance surrounding the issue and how easily led Americans are when told to support anything in the name of putting a stop to racism.

Although some refused to sign, when told that Old Glory has a history of “imperialism and racism,” numerous San Diegans agreed, with one man commenting, “It sounds like a great idea.”

“A lot of people are offended by the American flag,” says Dice, to which another individual enthusiastically responds, “I’ll sign this shit man!”

“Support issuing a new American flag for the new world order,” Dice tells the man, to which he agrees, “F**k yeah man!”

“Basically ban the American flag, we’re gonna put up a new American flag over the capital to signify the new world order,” Dice tells Stephieboy who signs the petition.

When a woman asks what the new flag will look like, Dice tells her it will include a pyramid and a rainbow for gay pride and to “signify the unity in the new world order.”

“Interesting,” she responds as she signs the petition.
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-citizens-sign-petition-to-ban-american-flag/
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June 30, 2015 2:01pm
stephieboy

Ed Snack, could you link those current claims about Hilary Clinton’s emails ?,

Hopefully there not the same substance as the Benghazi Tea Party and Fox lies !

hj, ah yes the gospel according to Alex Jones !
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June 30, 2015 2:02pm
Fletch

You’ve probably seen it – the Facebook app that allows you to ‘rainbow’ your profile picture using a filter in order to support the “landmark” Supreme Court decision on gay marriage. According to the story in the Herald, 26 million Facebook users have done so. Out of 1.44 billion active users that amounts to 1.8% – ie, not that many; in fact, probably close to the actual percentage of people who consider themselves gay.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11473267
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June 30, 2015 2:08pm
stephieboy

Fletch, and how many million face books have not supported the landmark Supreme Court decisions ?
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June 30, 2015 2:11pm
Fletch

stephie –

Hillary Clinton withheld Benghazi-related emails from the State Department that detailed her knowledge of the scramble for oil contracts in Libya and the shortcomings of the NATO-led military intervention for which she advocated.

Clinton removed specific portions of other emails she sent to State, suggesting the messages were screened closely enough to determine which paragraphs were unfit to be seen by the public. .

Clinton selectively edited other portions of emails she declined to provide to the State Department.

For example, in July 2012, Clinton removed paragraphs from a Blumenthal memo that warned “simply completing the election. and fulfilling a list of proper democratic milestones may not create a true democracy.” Blumenthal also wrote – in sections that Clinton deleted before providing the document to State – that the government would likely be “founded on Sharia,” or Islamic laws.

The group advocating to implement Sharia, Ansar al-Sharia, is a designated terrorist group that played a role in the Benghazi attacks.

But Clinton hid how much she knew about that development.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/records-show-clinton-withheld-emails-about-oil-terrorism/article/2567169
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June 30, 2015 2:15pm
Fletch

ANd –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfBvoNsZxY
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June 30, 2015 2:16pm
stephieboy

Fletch, two bipartisan House Intelligence Committees ( Senate and Congressional ) found no wronging doing by Hilary Clinton and the President over Benghazi.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/house-report-cia-military-acted-properly-in-benghazi-attacks-1416616698

Now what does Rep Gowdy know that those two committees don’t precisely other than playing silly political games ??
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June 30, 2015 2:26pm
Ed Snack

Well Stephieboy, one thing is certain and that is that any earlier findings were not based on all the information. As is being demonstrated, Clinton was a lot more involved in the process and in the money scramble than she has revealed; and she has entirely evaded any attempts to examine her official correspondence in its entirety.

And I repeat the question, is it acceptable for the Secretary of State to edit and remove information from the official records ? She was obligated to make all her official correspondence available; she claimed that she removed any “personal” emails and only personal emails, this latest information via Blumenthal’s release shows that she has been lying, she’s removed emails that were directly about Benghazi, and edited other emails to remove information she didn’t want revealed. Is it acceptable behaviour ?

Should rules apply to everyone, or just the “little people” and not important people like Hilary Clinton. Important and thoroughly dishonest people like Hilary Clinton more to the point.
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June 30, 2015 2:37pm
Manolo

Early days, stephieboy. A long way to go before before Queen Hillary is able to claim clean hands on the shameful Benghazi debacle.
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June 30, 2015 2:45pm
Doc Holliday

Hillary lies about emails and hides money. Bush lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction and plunges the world into war.

It’s a tough one.
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June 30, 2015 3:29pm
stephieboy

Manolo, what “shameful Benghazi debacle “exactly ?

Ed Snack , again what “new information” has Rep Gower brought to light that those two bipartisan house committees missed or overlooked including her” alleged” editing of emails ?
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June 30, 2015 3:30pm
EAD

@ hj,

Thanks for the Mark Dice link. He is one of the best for showing just how ignorant and apathetic much of the American populace is.

Watch him trying to sell a 10 ounce bar for a buck:

http://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/selling-silver-for-1-an-ounce-video/
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June 30, 2015 3:33pm
Manolo

The debacle that allowed the killing of the US ambassador to Lybia, in which she attempted to blame a video for the Benghazi “riots”, instead of acknowledging it was a full-blown terrorist act.

Clinton has lied through her teeth during the investigation process, but so far has succeeded hiding the facts. Time will tell.
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June 30, 2015 3:58pm
mikenmild

EAD
Want to link to Mark Dice praying to God to kill people he doesn’t like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7HmcHMl7DY
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June 30, 2015 5:14pm
Shawn Herles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dice

Yup, Mark Dice is a moron. The average American is vastly better informed than this twit.

He peddles the same old conspiracy theory that not a single member of the Tin Foil Hat Club has been able to provide any credible evidence for.

And “Gay Illuminati Sex Magick Rituals”????

LMAO!!! :):):)
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June 30, 2015 5:49pm
Dennis Horne

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11473487

The Human Rights Commissioner Richard Tankersley has praised a transgender shopper for going public after she was humiliated by staff at Farmers.

Farmers is investigating claims Mary Haddock-Staniland was ridiculed by a shop assistant while trying on shorts at a store in Auckland.

She claims that while in a female changing room she overheard the assistant ask colleagues if it was okay to let “half-man, half-woman” in.

Perfectly reasonable question.
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June 30, 2015 6:05pm
wiseowl

I see pidgeon tau has stood down from gravy train negotiations.

Garner says he should not have any special treatment.For once I agree with Garner.
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June 30, 2015 6:46pm
Shawn Herles

“The Human Rights Commissioner Richard Tankersley has praised a transgender shopper for going public after she was humiliated by staff at Farmers.”

Heh, I actually know Richard. Nice guy, bit deluded.

Female changing rooms are for women and girls, not men pretending to be women.
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June 30, 2015 6:48pm
thedavincimode

Doc Holliday

You’re giving George Dubya way too much credit.

In order for him to lie he would need, at the very least, some fundamental grasp of what was happening. Are you able to point to anything that occurred during his tenure that indicated he had any idea at all about anything that was happening anywhere?

He was in fact the Beta of the world’s first humanoid teleprompt. (The project was eventually abandoned due to fatally flawed circuitry.)
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June 30, 2015 6:49pm
Reid

He was in fact the Beta of the world’s first humanoid teleprompt.

No he was the idiot son of an arsehole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SVeoniKtM8

I thought it was quite an indication of the man’s true nature when as governor of Texas his record in not granting pardon to death row inmates was massive, hundreds, including grandmothers convicted under highly questionable circumstances, but guess who was the only person he pardoned? This guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRp-kg6-Ong
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June 30, 2015 7:01pm
nasska

….”Female changing rooms are for women and girls, not men pretending to be women”….

You judge harshly Shawn…..but for the skill of the surgeon it could have been you looking at the Hommes vs Femmes signs & flipping a coin. 🙂
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June 30, 2015 7:13pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old cocky called nasska
Whose wedding cake was bomb alaska
Atop sat Bo Peep
With pretty sheep
But the bull at the gate spelt disaster
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June 30, 2015 7:21pm
Dave_1924

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/kiwi-drug-smuggler-gets-15-years/

Mr Demelmanche is a very lucky boy…. figure the NZ Media are deeply disappointed. No Death Sentence to get up in arms about. But at least they have a Corbey type long internment to get all up about
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June 30, 2015 7:25pm
Shawn Herles

If anyone is into speculative fiction (sci-fi, horror, and similar genres) this is a good resource for news and reviews.

http://www.strangehorizons.com/
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June 30, 2015 7:29pm
Viking2

A Nail of a Tale

Carol, a blonde city girl, marries an Ekatahuna dairy farmer.

One morning, on his way out to check on the cows, farmer naaska says to
Carol, The insemination man is coming over to impregnate one of our cows
today. I drove a nail into the rail above the cows stall in the barn. You
show him where the cow is when he gets here, OK?

So then the farmer leaves for the fields.

After a while, the insemination man arrives and knocks on the door.

Carol takes him down to the barn. They walk along the row of cows and when
she sees the nail, she tells him, this is the one…right here.

Terribly impressed by what he seemed to think just might be another ditzy
blonde, the man asks,

Tell me lady, how did you know this is the cow to be bred?

That’s simple; by the nail over its stall, Carol explains very confidently.

Then the man asks, what’s the nail for?

She turns and starts to walk away and with complete confidence, says over
her shoulder, ……

I presume its to hang your trousers on.
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June 30, 2015 7:58pm
Shawn Herles

Found the right GD thread V2? 😉
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June 30, 2015 8:00pm
stephieboy

Reid, update us about further idiocy the alleged Tunisia false flag attack ?

Re my post at 10.18 am this morn !
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June 30, 2015 8:12pm
nasska

Dennis’ engine did stop
The kite was parked up on its prop
He’d forgotten again
For the roof of his plane
Skids from the $2 Shop.
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June 30, 2015 8:16pm
kowtow

“But at least they have a Corbey type long internment to get all up about”

Nah, now that he’s not going to be shot , the NZ media are going to ignore him and he’ll just rot away .

ps Chan and Sukumaran who ? All but forgotten and the Oz ambassador has quietly returned to Jakarta. It’s a game of “See we pretend to care”,
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June 30, 2015 8:19pm
nasska

I remember Carol V2…..hussy ran off with the AI bloke while I was working. 🙂
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June 30, 2015 8:22pm
Jack5

Looks like the police fucked up in the Wainuiomata raid.

First reports were that a pitbull ran out and attacked a police dog and was shot. Now the owner says it was a Staffy and it just went out the door and was shot.

The police are reported as saying the dog latched on to a police dog, but the police dog wasn’t hurt. I think that if a Staffy “latched on” to a German Shepherd, the German Shepherd would need some veterinary attention.

I wonder what are a dog owner’s rights? If 20 armed police arrive at your house looking for someone who isn’t there then shoot your dog, do you have any comeback?

I don’t envy the armed offenders’ squads in their sometimes dangerous work, but they do make some fuck-ups. Remember the visiting Scots couple who were worked over because the husband resembled a local suspect? I don’t think the tourists even got an apology.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/69818518/wainuiomata-dog-shot-dead-after-latching-on-to-police-dog
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June 30, 2015 8:23pm
Jack5

I agree with Shawn Herles at 6.48: catering for transgender clothing shoppers will be a problem for retailers as the PC revolution rolls on.

How long before Tankersley wants all stores to have transgender changing rooms as well as changing rooms for women, or in some cases changing rooms for women and for men?

Then it will be all business premises, restaurants, public buildings, and so on required to have transgender toilets as well as male, female, and wheelchair-friendly toilets.

One answer would to make everything unisex, but that is unlikely to what many women, especially mums, need or want.

The extra cost will, of course ultimately have to be borne by all users.
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June 30, 2015 8:31pm
Viking2

The Government today said it would spend $13.9 bln over the next three years on transportation projects, a +15% increase compared with the previous three years. A third will be spent in Auckland, and $2 bln will go into public transport projects (that will all require ongoing subsidies, mainly by local authorities). Cycleways will get $251 mln.

Fortunately fewer than half the Northland pork-barrel budges promised in the recent by-election will get funded.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/76234/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-tuesday-confidence-slumps-housing-consents

So Simple Simon was full of bullshit and pork barrel politics in the hope it would help win Northland. (Just like he did in Tauranga last time. As bad as any Labour scum. Slimy Prick)
Now they get the real story.

And just by the way,
They have allocated 591odd million to BOP.

An estimated $255m will target continued economic productivity and growth, advancing key projects such as the Baypark to Bayfair upgrade and Hairini underpass.

Both already announced. The Hairini by pass was his pork barrel and is a waste of money unless the main bridge is widened by two lanes. Just a way of getting to the bottleneck quicker.

Baypark to Girven rd intersection was left off the new eastern link plan for god knows what reason. always had to be there but was forgotten or something.

And we are still left with a fucking toll rd like no other city.
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June 30, 2015 8:36pm
Awww C-mon

Two toll roads Viking, the new Te Puke bypass and takitimu extension
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June 30, 2015 8:39pm
Viking2

On the eve of a deadline on the future of the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter, Prime Minister John Key has reiterated that the Government would not top up the NZ$30 million grant it gave Rio Tinto two years ago to keep it open beyond 2017.
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No, but what he didn’t say is that there have been negotiations around the power supply contract that could see there power costs going down by lowering Transmission costs.

Was reported some weeks back.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/76236/key-says-government-wont-add-nz30-million-support-given-rio-tinto-keep-tiwai-pt-open-govt
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June 30, 2015 8:42pm
Viking2

Awww C-mon (66 comments) says:
June 30th, 2015 at 8:39 pm

Two toll roads Viking, the new Te Puke bypass and Takitimu extension

All part of the same rort on the locals. collecting both ends but not from the Bethlehem to Waihi traffic.

And while the council collected a supposed 62 Mil for the road its cashed back about 10.5 to NZTA and has been given back the 15th Ave Turret rd which it now has to spend 4 mil on.
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June 30, 2015 8:45pm
Awww C-mon

I agree it’s a total joke, the thing that really gets my goat is if you pay up front for the card, it costs the same! Real freakin smart! Give a 10% discount and we will all get one, not use all the money on it and they have the $$$ dumbass bastards

Should have kept harbour bridge tolls but given rate payers a heavily discounted card, yes I’m a Mountie btw
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June 30, 2015 8:55pm
Viking2

https://www.ted.com/talks/simon_anholt_which_country_does_the_most_good_for_the_world?language=en
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June 30, 2015 9:05pm
EAD

Just came across this – an oldie but a goodie.

Ron Paul skewers the sinister Benjamin Shalom Bernanke when he was chairman of the world’s biggest ever crime syndicate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dj9v9s9buk
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June 30, 2015 10:16pm
wellygirl

So, yesterday the AIIB signing ceremony took place here in Beijing, NZ is one of the founding nations of this, and Bill English was here for the signing, and he was one of only 3 foreign finance ministers who got to give a speech for Premier Xi, and whilst a picture of Bill English makes it onto the front page of the China Daily today, not one mention of it in NZ media that I could find. From all accounts Bill English was one of only a few foreign ministers treated as an honoured guest by the Chinese, which is amazing considering NZ is not one of the largest contributors to the AIIB, nor are we anywhere near one of the largest trading partners of China, so to be treated as an important partner is quite a coup for NZ. Disgraceful that the NZ media has ignored this.
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June 30, 2015 10:31pm
infused

Apparently this is an attack…

http://thestandard.org.nz/another-disease-of-poverty-making-a-comeback/#comment-1036867
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June 30, 2015 11:04pm
Fraggle

Re the new rickets “crisis”…

Not enough time outside in the sun, too much sunscreen when they are, too many dumb-arsed parents being paid to have kids.
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July 1, 2015 2:18am
mikenmild

I see EAD is emphasising Ben Bernanke’s Jewish roots for some reason. I wonder why.
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July 1, 2015 6:50am
Manolo

It is not good to be Greek: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/11707173/Greek-crisis-We-rely-on-imports.-Soon-even-the-most-basic-goods-wont-be-available.html

Indeed, over the weekend, there were isolated reports of customers stocking up on staples like rice, spaghetti and tinned milk in some supermarkets, and of motorists queuing for petrol at garages on some of the Greek islands.
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July 1, 2015 6:54am
Viking2

The possibility of transmission pricing changes which could save Tiwai about $50m a year was a “pretty big thing” but a final decision on that by the Electricity Authority would not be known until early next year after a cost/benefit analysis had been done.

The Electricity Authority released its transmission pricing methodology options working paper for consultation last month. If the first option of new charges on existing and new grid investments proceeds, Tiwai would be in line for the savings. Under a second option, new charges would only apply to new investments, which would exclude the smelter.

Matthes said the smelter along with other South Island power consumers were paying a “hell of a lot of money for services they don’t receive” through current transmission costs.
==============================
So electricity prices for a hike for the rest of us then.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/69836171/tiwai-decision-too-close-to-call
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July 1, 2015 6:57am
stephieboy

EAD, yes Bernanke’s Jewish roots is of special significance to you .

Why ?
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July 1, 2015 7:31am
Shawn Herles

Why do you think stephie?

It’s telling that we all know who Bernanke is, and would have recognized his name, but EAD just had to include his middle name to make the point he wants.

And we know what that point is.
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July 1, 2015 7:40am
EAD

@ MM (and Shaun)

Where do I mention Bernankes Jewish heritage? Everyone I work with him in Finance knew him as “Shalom”. That was his nickname on the trading floor.

The fact is that the truth is the truth even if it is a minority of one. I will not be bullied by your cowardly smears and attempts at obfuscation. I will not sit back and watch the public get raped and pillaged and killed by the international bankers who control the worlds money supply without trying to awaken people to the fraud. If that earns me your ire, so be it, but if awaken just 1 person then my job is done.

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” ~ Samuel Adams

http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/Central-Bank-Scam-Explains-World.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-07/thats-uncanny-102-years-later-wall-street-turned-out-just-man-predicted?page=1
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July 1, 2015 7:46am
Dennis Horne

I’ll tell you why, stephieboy. The Federal Reserve is privately owned. Ben Bernanke is Jewish. His predecessor, Alan Greenspan, is Jewish. The present chairman, Janet Yellen, is Jewish.
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July 1, 2015 7:48am
stephieboy

Dennis Horne, so does that represent a conspiracy of International Jewry as the Nazis thought or does it reflect a penchant for a traditional ability with banking and trading ?

EAD , you are totally wrong and your links prove it !
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July 1, 2015 8:02am
Shawn Herles

How Zero Hedge makes your money vanish

“Zero Hedge is a financial news website. The writers all write under the pseudonym of “Tyler Durden”, Brad Pitt’s character from Fight Club. Each post comes with a little black and white icon of Brad Pitt’s head. On Zero Hedge you can read news, rumors, facts, figures, off-the-cuff analysis, and political screeds (usually anti-Obama, anti-government, and pro-hard money). On the sidebars, you can click on ads for online brokerages, gold collectibles, and The Economist.

The site is a big fat hoax. And if you read it for anything other than amusement, you’re almost certainly a big fat sucker.

That’s a bold claim! Why do I make this claim?”

http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/how-zero-hedge-makes-your-money-vanish.html
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July 1, 2015 8:12am
Shawn Herles

Bankers and Jews, an old conspiracy. Very popular in the 1930’s. Look where that ended up.
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