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Griff

Yip you are right leaping jimmy sorry bout that .
You just changed your handle not a new sign in.
ps mine did as Griffith It is another another sign in .
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June 29, 2015 7:07pm
SGA

mikenmild at 7:05 pm

This was a bugger. I was on the Ticketek website for a hour from 4pm, but to no avail.

Bad luck (seriously). Perhaps big bruv has a few spares?
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June 29, 2015 7:14pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 6:52 pm

“Who says Russians have no sense of humour.”
Pretty much the entire world.

Years ago, an ‘artsy’ girlfriend talked me into watching Sergei Eisenstein’s “Ivan the Terrible” – by the end of that I’d certainly lost my sense of humour.
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June 29, 2015 7:21pm
Shawn Herles

Heh, after the discussion last night about robot wives, I came across a new Brit sci-fi about that very idea. Called ‘Humans’ it’s set in the present but with AI and robotics further ahead. It shares a lot of themes with Bladerunner. Watched the first episode and it’s quite good.
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June 29, 2015 7:22pm
SPC

Andrei,

“And if you think the USA is democratic you are a bigger fool than I thought. 5 Judges just rewrote the meaning of marriage against the will of the people in the States who explicitly said at the ballot box that is was the Union of one man with one woman.”

In the federal union a majority supports more inclusive rules for marriage.
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June 29, 2015 7:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Its robot hubbys I’m interested in……. ones that can cut down trees, paint roofs, cart away rubbish and never say boo.
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June 29, 2015 7:34pm
Shawn Herles

““And if you think the USA is democratic you are a bigger fool than I thought. 5 Judges just rewrote the meaning of marriage against the will of the people”

Ignorant twaddle. For a start, Supreme Court Justice’s are chosen by the countries democratic representatives. Secondly, as SPC points out, a majority in the US support the idea.

I don’t, and imo it should have been left to the individual States to decide, to reflect genuine regional/cultural differences.

But it was not a failure of democracy.

And please, lectures on democracy from a Russian??? LMAO!!! 🙂
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June 29, 2015 7:38pm
Shawn Herles

“Its robot hubbys I’m interested in……. ones that can cut down trees, paint roofs, cart away rubbish and never say boo.”

The series has those as well.
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June 29, 2015 7:39pm
stigie

This guy has been causing grief to the Nelson City Council for 14 years now with unpaid fines in the tens of thousands.
Penny Bright is not a patch on this prick !~

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/69728089/lewis-stanton-sleeping-rough-outside-nelson-city-council-offices
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June 29, 2015 7:42pm
nasska

….”Penny Bright is not a patch on this prick”….

I wouldn’t say that stigie…..it would be a match made in heaven. Two hopeless bludgers link arms & walk off into the sunset. 🙂
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June 29, 2015 7:52pm
stigie

Tell you what Nasska, she would be far better off with Johnboy rather than the agony of that horse and cart ole chap.
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June 29, 2015 7:56pm
nasska

Nah stigie. The man from Nelson is used to sleeping rough. Penny will need a mentor like that after her hovel gets sold to pay the rates.

I’ve been told there’s a knack to folding a TV carton in the right way to keep out the cold & rats. 🙂
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June 29, 2015 8:02pm
Reid

Everyone of course remembers the laughable propaganda from the idiot UKUSA media whores alleging the Russians and Chinese had broken into Snowdens encrypted database and endangered various undercover agents. What a laugh that was.

The ‘exclusive story’ contained precisely no evidence for its anonymous claims, no challenges to the assertions made and no journalistic balance. In a CNN interview the same day, lead reporter Tom Harper trashed his own credibility, and that of his paper, when he blurted:

‘We just publish what we believe to be the position of the British government.’

One of our readers, William Douglas, emailed a powerful criticism of Harper’s claims direct to Sunday Times editor Martin Ivens, asking him to explain why anyone should take the article seriously. Douglas sent a blog piece by Craig Murray, the former British diplomat, who had offered five reasons for thinking the MI6 story was ‘a lie’. Ivens’ reply was astonishing:

‘I think you should address your remarks to 10 Downing St. If you think they have lied to us then so be it.’

There was no attempt to respond to the challenge, or to answer Murray’s serious objections; just a preposterous and insulting suggestion to contact the British government.

and so on. They should have called up Shane Currie, I’m sure he could have given them some pointers on how to get everything wrong and spray pure propaganda all over the place.
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June 29, 2015 8:07pm
stigie

Rates going up 9.9% Nasska, the TV cartons are looking very attractive ???
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June 29, 2015 8:07pm
wellygirl

Speaking of Penny, she has been very quiet here since our exchange yesterday, I felt for sure she would have a post offering her great knowledge on the situation in Greece. I believe that is one of the issues she has ‘investigated and researched’ as she did do a post over at TS on it. Maybe she is off learning how to use google more effectively……
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June 29, 2015 8:14pm
Shawn Herles

“peaking of Penny, she has been very quiet here since our exchange yesterday,”

She tends to run away when challenged effectively, as you do, or when one of her whackjob predictions fails to come true, such as her claim that National was going to lose the election and that she would give JK a run for his money in Helensvile.

She was very quiet for the first weeks after the election.

At the end of the day she’s just another paranoid conspiracy theorist, and expecting intelligent debate or adult behavior from the PCT crowd is an exercise in futility.
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June 29, 2015 8:19pm
wellygirl

Reid, you are right I don’t think the Russians and Chinese ‘broke into Snowden’s encrypted files’ – my belief is that Snowden has just handed them over to the Russians.

Note: that is my opinion, so don’t go asking for proof or links
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June 29, 2015 8:19pm
Viking2

Maggy Wassilieff (1,172 comments) says:
June 29th, 2015 at 7:34 pm

Its robot hubbys I’m interested in……. ones that can cut down trees, paint roofs, cart away rubbish and never say boo.

Ah, so what you want is a eunuch then.
You need to email the Arabian Nights or maybe some Indian Maharajah and maybe ISIS and see if they have a supply. I hear Egypt may have a few they can rent you.

eunuch
ˈjuːnək/
noun
plural noun: eunuchs

a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women’s living areas at an oriental court.
an ineffectual person.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=eunuchs&biw=1138&bih=533&site=webhp&tbm=isch&imgil=Tjr31hqjGqS46M%253A%253BLNbJuiIXHi7YVM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fthebamboosea.wordpress.com%25252F2012%25252F04%25252F06%25252Fla-chine-hermetique-superstitions-crime-et-misere%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=Tjr31hqjGqS46M%253A%252CLNbJuiIXHi7YVM%252C_&usg=__tzOdpTu78bLx-cwnsZpDI9DXn8w%3D&ved=0CD4Qyjc&ei=Kv-QVaXZA6GzmwXcsagw#imgrc=Tjr31hqjGqS46M%3A&usg=__tzOdpTu78bLx-cwnsZpDI9DXn8w%3D
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June 29, 2015 8:20pm
EAD

Interesting to hear the views of a Washington insider – Dr. Paul Roberts, as he deconstructs the Western Controlled Mass Market Media and how it paints a skewed version of reality to those who watch it:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/28/truth-crime-state/

“The entire Western edifice rests on lies. There is no other foundation. Just lies……..

The Western presstitutes have succeeded in creating a false reality for insouciant Americans and also for much of the European Union population.

A sizable percentage of these insouciant peoples believe that Russia invaded Ukranine and that Russia is threatening to invade the Baltic States and Poland. This belief exists despite all intelligence of all Western governments reporting that there is no sign of any Russian forces that would be required for invasion.

The “Russian invasion,” like “Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction and al Qaeda connections,” like “Assad of Syria’s use of chemical weapons against his own people,” like “Iranian nukes,” never existed but nevertheless became the reality in the Western media. The insouciant Western peoples believe in non-existent occurrencies.

In other words, just to state the obvious noncontroversial fact, the Western “news” media is a propaganda ministry from which no truth emerges.”

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/06/24/the-lets-hate-russia-propaganda-campaign/
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June 29, 2015 8:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Viking 2
An ineffectual husband is no use to me…. a programmable one is

one who can follow a few BASIC commands
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June 29, 2015 8:29pm
nasska

EAD

What you quote maybe right & the people of the West are kept in the dark while being fed bullshit by the shovelful.

But do you really think any other power group treats its citizens in any other way?
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June 29, 2015 8:34pm
wellygirl

“At the end of the day she’s just another paranoid conspiracy theorist, and expecting intelligent debate or adult behavior from the PCT crowd is an exercise in futility.”

True, however, I will admit to having a bit of the devil in me and some days I really enjoy breaking down the arguments of the PCT crowd with some logic – it won’t change my mind but can be entertaining the more frustrated they become.

And now I have made that confession I fear my days of enjoyment may be numbered as the PCT crowd may be less inclined to engage *sigh*
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June 29, 2015 8:37pm
EAD

Is Greece being used as the scapegoat to speed up the plans of the Elites to create a European Superstate?

http://henrymakow.com/the_secret_solution_to_greece.html

“Greece was chosen because it symbolizes Europe (nobody in Europe cares about countries like Hungary or Estonia) and because its economy was relatively easy to devastate after it renounced its own currency.

The European “elites” are using Greece to persuade the sheeple that if the Greek problem is not fixed, Southern Europe will go bankrupt which will trigger the collapse of the whole European financial system and thus the bankruptcy of the whole European economy.

The “problem” is that the so-called Eurozone (where the euro currency replaced the national currencies) is doomed to collapse since the Southern European states (as well as the Eastern ones) cannot sustain their economy if they can’t devalue their own currency in order to boost export and tourism (they are now sucked to the euro currency.)”

@ Nasska – I think the last vestiges of honest news reporting by the MSM went out the door in the lead up to the 2nd Gulf War. Of course it has never been truly free but only then did it become so blatant that it can no longer be ignored to anyone half awake.
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June 29, 2015 8:38pm
nasska

Like this Maggy? https://www.dropbox.com/s/vaatojqyx8khpuu/Robot.jpg?dl=0

You’ll get fat & lazy. 🙂
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June 29, 2015 8:38pm
Shawn Herles

“What you quote maybe right & the people of the West are kept in the dark while being fed bullshit by the shovelful.”

Unlikely. EAD’s sources are a white supremacist (PCR) who has long since ceased being a Washington “insider” and joined up with the KKK and neo-Nazis (hence his popularity with EAD and Reid) and Henry Makow, who believes that the world is controlled by the satanic Skull and Bones society, which is apparently an Illuminati front group, and that the Illuminati was created by Kabbalah Jews acting in concert with the Knights Templar.

PCR is morally evil, and Makow is just plain insane.

Or in short, his sources have zero credibility.
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June 29, 2015 8:43pm
nasska

I’ve never really followed any of the sources quoted Shawn, mostly because it’s not a field that holds bugger all interest for me.

In general although, I’m certain that there are many things known behind closed doors that we are not privy to & this will hold true for the rest of the world’s plebs regardless of nationality. What normally isn’t appreciated by our sceptical friends is that most of these “secrets” involve commerce & defence.

The information is valueless if it’s not kept secret…..we have to trust our leaders however hopeless & venal they may be.
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June 29, 2015 8:54pm
EAD

Shorn Girls,

Can you please provide a list for everyone on Kiwiblog so we know which sources we are allowed to use?
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June 29, 2015 8:55pm
Fraggle

Lance (3,118 comments) says:
June 29th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Oh
So many ignoramuses.
Diabetes is not caused by too much sugar specifically in ones diet.
Too such sugar in ones blood stream is a symptom of Diabetes which has a number of causes including too much fat intake.

___

You are right about the symptoms. Totally wrong about the cause.
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June 29, 2015 8:57pm
Andrei

You are only allowed to use sources that say the USA is an exceptional nation, anointed by God to rule the world and to punish those people who do not submit to their will by bombing their countries into anarchy.
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June 29, 2015 9:02pm
Shawn Herles

“Shorn Girls,”

LMAO!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

What are you, 9 years old???

“Can you please provide a list for everyone on Kiwiblog so we know which sources we are allowed to use?”

You can use any source you want. But your choice says a great deal about you and your ideology, as they do about Reid.

The most that can be said about the Western MSM is that it is biased in favor of social liberalism, and tends, not always, but often towards superficiality.

But it is not controlled, or merely propaganda, and the fact that the only evidence you can muster is from Nazi’s, KKK racists, lunatics like Makow and actual government controlled media (controlled by the Kremlin) is proof of that.

But no, by all means keep using the same sources. They do a great job of discrediting your views and claims.

Please don’t stop. 🙂
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June 29, 2015 9:05pm
Shawn Herles

“You are only allowed to use sources that say the USA is an exceptional nation”

No, I would accept the BBC, NZ media, Aus media, Canadian media, as all reasonably reliable sources, not always but mostly, and they certainly don’t think any such thing.

But your hypocrisy is showing because the sources you use and the claims you make say exactly that about Russia.

Despite the fact that Russia is little more than a decaying corpse presided over by a creepy nutjob.
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June 29, 2015 9:09pm
Reid

we have to trust our leaders however hopeless & venal they may be.

I’ll be interested in your opinion on that nasska once you’ve had a few years experience with the TPP.

PCR is morally evil, and Makow is just plain insane.

Shorn do you ever actually read what you type or do you just vomit it out in your seething rage and anger without worrying how ridiculous it makes you look?

But your choice says a great deal about you and your ideology, as they do about Reid.

As does your choice say about you Shorn. Let’s see. A satanist dope smoking neocon nutjob. What next? You gonna tell us Greater Israel’s the next best thing and all the A-rabs need to “get with the program” or just get their asses out of the country them and their families have lived in for centuries? And you hallucinate that’s not evil?
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June 29, 2015 9:13pm
EAD

Shaun,

listen to what JFK ( 0.26 – 1.52 & 3.24 – 5.57) has to say about the Press and Secret Societies in this video montage of JFK, Martin Luther King & Ron Paul – 3 great truth tellers who threatened the US status quo. For their trouble, two got their heads blown off and the other one got blackballed and the recipient of a massive disinformation smear campaign by the by the media

JFK in this speech spoke about how the media is too spoke how the media is used to cover-up, censor and distort the news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH1FaLdABFM

A small section:
“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.”
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June 29, 2015 9:16pm
nasska

Shawn

The thing that bugged me about the photo of Putin licking the boy was that it took the Western media to print it & make comment. To my way of thinking it leaves only two possibilities:

1) Boy bothering is so “de riguer” & commonplace in Russia that the event wasn’t newsworthy

OR

2) Any Russian journalist who disclosed the behaviour knew he would be tortured & shot.

Perhaps Andrei could shed some light on the quaint Russian customs.
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June 29, 2015 9:18pm
Reid

Shorn’s not interested EAD. JFK wasn’t a Jew, you see. Therefore he’s unter menschen, in Shorn’s twisted little world. Isn’t that right Shorn.

What about the Franklin case, nasska? Does that bother you? Don’t tell me you’ve never heard of it. Really? Little boys getting escorted through the White House? And you’ve never heard about that? Seriously?

This is one of the best blogs on those subjects,if you want to educate yourself. If you don’t, don’t pretend you know what you’re talking about:

http://aanirfan.blogspot.ca/
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June 29, 2015 9:20pm
Inandout

JFK liked secrecy, especially concerning Marilyn and his scores of other mistresses. Teddy Kennedy liked keeping his car crashes quiet too.
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June 29, 2015 9:21pm
Andrei

The thing that bugged me about the photo of Putin licking the boy was that it took the Western media to print it & make comment. To my way of thinking it leaves only two possibilities:

1) Boy bothering is so “de riguer” & commonplace in Russia that the event wasn’t newsworthy

OR

2) Any Russian journalist who disclosed the behaviour knew he would be tortured & shot.

Lol that “photo” is a screenshot from a Russian TV News Broadcast from more than a decade ago – the boys mother was standing beside him BTW
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June 29, 2015 9:24pm
SGA

Reid at 9:13 pm

As does your choice say about you Shorn. Let’s see. A satanist dope smoking neocon nutjob.

Wow, Shawn sounds like a cool “baddie” from a Quinten Tarantino movie.
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June 29, 2015 9:28pm
Reid

Lol that “photo” is a screenshot from a Russian TV News Broadcast from more than a decade ago – the boys mother was standing beside him BTW

Crikey Andrei. It wasn’t Western propaganda aimed specifically at tremendous morons with the IQ of an intellectually handicapped village idiot was it?

No wonder Shorn fell for it hook, line, sinker, anchor and all.

Why aren’t we surprised.

Wow, Shawn sounds like a cool “baddie” from a Quinten Tarantino movie.

And then he spoils it all by posting something, anything at all, doesn’t he SGA.
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June 29, 2015 9:28pm
SGA

Reid at 9:28 pm

Wow, Shawn sounds like a cool “baddie” from a Quinten Tarantino movie.
And then he spoils it all by posting something, anything at all, doesn’t he SGA

Oh, I don’t know Reid. It seems something about the current “Kiwiblog world” that Shawn can sometimes appear “middle of the road” (“satanist dope smoking neocon nutjob”, or not).
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June 29, 2015 9:34pm
SGA

opps “says” not “seems”
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June 29, 2015 9:38pm
Andrei

It is the British ruling class that has the pedophila thing

Is the Guardian on Shawn Herles approved sources list?

Perhaps the story will make the NYT
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June 29, 2015 9:41pm
nasska

….” the boys mother was standing beside him BTW”…..

Counting the love bites? 🙂
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June 29, 2015 9:41pm
thedavincimode

They’re watching us …
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June 29, 2015 9:43pm
nasska

Swallow the codes & break out the cyanide capsules Davinci. They’ll never take us alive! 🙂
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June 29, 2015 9:49pm
EAD

Here’s an interesting observation by Sputnik News of the gulf between the controlled mass market media and reality – The Western CMMM is beating the drums over Russia’s mythical military threat, yet Western governments are reducing defense spending while their citizens are eschewing military service.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150628/1023957178.html

Something doesn’t compute?
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June 29, 2015 9:59pm
SGA

nasska at 9:49 pm

Swallow the codes & break out the cyanide capsules Davinci.

If he’s using an enigma device, the cyanide’s probably redundant.
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June 29, 2015 9:59pm
tom hunter

You are only allowed to use sources that say the USA is an exceptional nation, anointed by God to rule the world and to punish those people who do not submit to their will by bombing their countries into anarchy.

I think this is a reasonable response:

If the United States is the major “imperialist power” of the 21st century I say thank God for that because the United States, imperfect as it is both domestically and abroad is at heart a humane society where individual freedoms and rights are respected.
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June 29, 2015 10:26pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old Doctor Wassilieff
Who presented with her main beef
She wants a worker
Not a sexy shirker
Who tries to peep under her fig leaf
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June 29, 2015 10:52pm
Shawn Herles

“As does your choice say about you Shorn. Let’s see. A satanist dope smoking neocon nutjob. What next? You gonna tell us Greater Israel’s the next best thing and all the A-rabs need to “get with the program” or just get their asses out of the country them and their families have lived in for centuries? And you hallucinate that’s not evil?”

The last time I smoked dope was 1989. Reid is lying again.
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June 29, 2015 10:56pm
Manolo

Expect the NZ Left to make a hero of this fool: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/israel-detains-nz-journalists/ar-AAcgpdP?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Two New Zealand journalists have been arrested by Israeli commandos during a raid on a ship delivering supplies to the Gaza Strip. Israeli naval forces on Monday boarded and took control of an activist boat trying to break the Gaza blockade.

The Israeli military said the boat, the Marianne, carrying pro-Palestinian activists, was being escorted to an Israeli port.
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June 30, 2015 6:30am
Viking2

A warning for NZ and our borrowing PM.

The governor of Puerto Rico has decided that the island cannot pay back its more than US$70 billion (NZ$102b) in debt, setting up an unprecedented financial crisis that could rock the municipal bond market and lead to higher borrowing costs for governments across the United States.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/69813821/puerto-rico-says-it-cant-pay-its-100-billion-debt

3.6 million people with 143 billion of debt.
4.5 million people with how much?
don’t forget to add in the govt. NGO borrowing.

Who saw this one coming and how many more are out there?
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June 30, 2015 6:43am
Manolo

Will the truth ever be known? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/29/benghazi-night-call-between-clinton-and-obama-withheld-documents-show/

New documents released by a federal court show President Obama called then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the night of the 2012 Benghazi attack — but the contents are being withheld by the State Department.
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June 30, 2015 6:54am
Pete George

Labour’s currently published (2014) flag policy is:

Labour will

review the design of the New Zealand flag involving flag design experts and with full public consultation and involvement.

Andrew has expressed support of a flag change.

So why are Trevor Mallard and Labour’s Select Committee representatives still trying to sabotage the recommended referendum process?

– Labour still campaigning against it’s own flag policy
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June 30, 2015 7:29am
Viking2

A Nail of a Tale

Carol, a blonde city girl, marries a Cornish dairy farmer.

One morning, on his way out to check on the cows, farmer John says to
Carol, The insemination man is coming over to impregnate one of our cows
today. I drove a nail into the rail above the cows stall in the barn. You
show him where the cow is when he gets here, OK?

So then the farmer leaves for the fields.

After a while, the insemination man arrives and knocks on the door.

Carol takes him down to the barn. They walk along the row of cows and when
she sees the nail, she tells him, this is the one…right here.

Terribly impressed by what he seemed to think just might be another ditzy
blonde, the man asks,

Tell me lady, how did you know this is the cow to be bred?

That’s simple; by the nail over its stall, Carol explains very confidently.

Then the man asks, what’s the nail for?

She turns and starts to walk away and with complete confidence, says over
her shoulder, ……

I presume its to hang your trousers on.
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