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Reid

Note BTW I haven’t denied anything. Will this fact make any difference to the future epithets thrown around by liars??

That’s one of the reasons why I’ve bothered to debate Holocaust deniers.

So what were your main points against EAD Scott?

Or didn’t you bother?

Liars is a favourite word with anti-Zionists

So liar is a (TM) as well SPC? Help me out here, I’m just trying to understand the minefield of IP around “truth.” Goodness it’s getting complicated, isn’t it. Are you guys sure you haven’t turned into raving commies in the few days I’ve been away? You’re sure sounding like they used to, in every way, that’s all.
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June 25, 2015 6:12pm
Griff

Good evening d4j feeling a little more civilized tonight ?
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June 25, 2015 6:12pm
stigie

What we have are the blow up kind Dad, the ones you dont put pins in otherwise she will go down on you !~
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June 25, 2015 6:13pm
Scott Hamilton

‘I know Kerry Bolton personally.’

Commiserations! I had a run in with him a few years ago that started with some comments about the Holocaust and went all the way to the High Court http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2011/01/surprise-surprise-boltons-anti-semitism.html

I’ve tended to ignore him since because he’s a fairly irrelevant figure in NZ, but it’s shocking to think that his writings for Countercurrents might well have influenced Roof…
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June 25, 2015 6:14pm
Scott Hamilton

‘So what were your main points against EAD Scott?’

I haven’t got the energy now. Look up my debate with Kerry Bolton a few years ago and the related court case.

The simplest way to show the idiocy of the claim that Auschwitz and the other camps were not dedicated to the extermination of their inmates is to cite the tens of thousands of eyewitness accounts of these practices, which have come from guards as well as survivors, and the masses of paperwork that the Nazi bureaucracy was unable to destroy.

Start by reading Primo Levi’s magnificent and harrowing autobiography If This is a Man.
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June 25, 2015 6:18pm
Shawn Herles

“I’ve tended to ignore him since because he’s a fairly irrelevant figure in NZ, but it’s shocking to think that his writings for Countercurrents might well have influenced Roof…”

He has written articles for other neo-Nazi web sites as well, and also contributes to pro-Russian sites. While he is relatively unknown here, he’s well known on the far Right overseas.
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June 25, 2015 6:18pm
Scott Hamilton

It says something about the mental world of the neo-Nazis, Shawn, that Bolton can become one of their great theorists…
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June 25, 2015 6:22pm
Shawn Herles

From Scott’s site on neo-Nazi Kerry Bolton.

“Bolton explains that Judaism and Bolshevism are the same thing, and condemns the ‘craven, defeatist’ mentality of Germans who regret the history of the Third Reich. An open letter to ‘the War Generation’ reveals that the Jews were responsible for starting of the Second World War, claims that the concentration camps where they were kept during the war were actually quite nice places”

Sound familiar?
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June 25, 2015 6:22pm
Reid

Scott I asked you what your points were against EAD, I now see you don’t have any.

That’s just great.

Note BTW I haven’t denied anything. Will this fact make any difference to the future epithets thrown around by liars???
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June 25, 2015 6:22pm
Scott Hamilton

‘Scott I asked you what your points were against EAD, I now see you don’t have any.’

Don’t be silly. I said that he should look at what historians call the primary evidence – eyewitness reports, documents prepared by historical actors – before he claims that there no gas chambers at Auschwitz and no systematic extermination at other camps.

It would do you some good to read Primo Levi’s book. You might well feel, by the time you get to the end of the book, embarrassed about playing these kind of games with an event like the Holocaust.
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June 25, 2015 6:26pm
SPC

Reid, for your further edification – all peoples are minorities who may be persecuted by others (such as Kiwis in Oz), and yet all peoples are, when in national power as a majority in their home state, capable of being more than just a victim.

Their hope to not be mere “nomad”s in the world subject to the capricious will of others and have command of self rule in their own homeland. Given no nation is perfect in its self government (or in the forming of their polity/to the victor the spoils), why “demon”ise any particular people for realising this quite commonplace aspiration?
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June 25, 2015 6:26pm
mikenmild

Reid
As you no doubt already know, EAD’s points about the holocaust have been rebutted many, many times. Read Lipstadt’s book referenced above if you have any lingering doubts.
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June 25, 2015 6:26pm
Shawn Herles

The above at 6:22 is one of Reid’s standard tactics. Ask for commentary, and then when it comes and does not reflect what Reid wants, he pretends it has not occured at all. In fact, both MM and Scott have dealt clearly with EAD’s claims, and the articles and videos I posted above also debunk his claims.

Despite his obviously false claim to be a “truthseeker” Reid does not allow anything that does not fit his anti-Jewish and anti-US ideology to disturb his mind.
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June 25, 2015 6:27pm
Griff

EAD and the other far right loons are a blight on the future of humanity
There dream is to institute freedom .
Of a minority of extremists to rule us with an iron fist.
They are no better than the Nazis in their use of propaganda and fear to manipulate unthinking into supporting their dreams of dominance.
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June 25, 2015 6:29pm
Shawn Herles

“EAD and the other far right loons are a blight on the future of humanity”

I agree, though I would add the far Left to that as well, and for much the same reasons. In fact this is a good example of the horseshoe theory. Kerry Bolton for example, though clearly on the far Right, has written articles in defense of Stalin and North Korea. In fact he used to claim, perhaps still does, that New Zealand should follow North Korea’s economic model.
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June 25, 2015 6:34pm
Reid

It would do you some good to read Primo Levi’s book.

Why?

Note BTW I haven’t denied anything. Will this fact make any difference to the future epithets thrown around by liars????

The reason is Scott I’m not the least bit interested. The reason I’m not is because it may have happened or it may not have. And I don’t care if it did or not.

The reason I don’t care if it did or not is because if it did happen, it didn’t just happen to the Jews. And if it did it wasn’t the only holocaust that’s ever happened. But world history all over the Western world up to and including TV programs, history docos, history books, school lessons, university courses, has all painted it as if the Jews were the only race who suffered. Sure. We all know about the other groups. How many of us could name all of those groups. How many docos have we had produced in the YouTube pantheon on, I don’t know, the gays, or the Jehovah Witnesses, or on and on and on.

How come it’s the Jews, it’s the Jews, it’s the Jews?

How come?

Why is that?

It’s a fact, of course.

One can’t deny it.

This is precisely what the history is, in all the Western societies.

No-one can deny it.

It’s just not possible to deny that.

Also, why is questioning this history illegal?

Why is this the only verbotten topic in the whole wide world of Western civilised thought? Why is this the only topic where you can go to prison if you “deny” it? Who the fuck came up with those rules? Where did they come from? Why aren’t all the Western Universities protesting against them? Isn’t freedom of expression no matter what it is, at the heart of our Western democratic system?

Yes to all these questions and yet Scott as you well know, none of this matters, when it comes to the sacred, the one, the only, the special, holocaust(TM).

So I don’t deny any of it Scott, I simply ask, how come Jews are so above every other human being, when it comes to this extraordinarily precious event, which is held to their bosum and used as the justification for every fucking thing they want to do?

Why is that? Why does the world go along with this? In all countries?

Why?

Why?

Why?

And BTW, is it wrong even to ask this question?

According to many people, it’s heresy. I CONDEMN THEE, they shout.

Look at them do just that, in days and weeks to come.

They won’t do it now, tonight, but they’ll pretend I denied something, and they’ll lie, and lie, and lie.

You watch them.

BTW, I’d put my factual knowledge of WWII up against anyone here, anytime. The holocaust is a part of that. It’s a tragedy, of course it was. Point is, it wasn’t only a Jewish tragedy.
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June 25, 2015 6:40pm
thedavincimode

Good evening d4j feeling a little more civilized tonight ?

Grief, you lack empathy. How would you feel after spending all day being told by a bunch of porkers that it’s your fault because their size 10 XXXL extra wide trotters won’t fit into the dinky little size 6s that dad4discombobulation is trying to flog? Have a heart old thing.
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June 25, 2015 6:42pm
nasska

….”Kerry Bolton for example, though clearly on the far Right, has written articles in defense of Stalin and North Korea”….

Then he is more of a poster boy for totalitarianism of which there is no shortage on the far Right or the far Left. Evil , small minded people with a burning passion for control.
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June 25, 2015 6:42pm
Shawn Herles

On a completely different note, to any vapers on KB, if you have not yet tried sub ohming, I highly recommend it. I have been using sub ohm tanks for two weeks now. Cosmic Corner currently has the Joyetech Ego One which is sub ohm capable. The battery is good, the tank is crap. But they also have the Kangertech Sub Tank, which is outstanding. Massive, thick clouds of vapor and great flavor.
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June 25, 2015 6:43pm
nasska

Maybe the toejams have addled his mind Davinci. 🙂
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June 25, 2015 6:45pm
Shawn Herles

“How come it’s the Jews, it’s the Jews, it’s the Jews?

How come?

Why is that?”

That’s a remarkably stupid question. Here is the answer. The Jews have been the targets of hate and violence for nearly two thousand years, more so than any other minority in the Western world. Pogroms, expulsions, bigotry, random violence, social and economic barriers have been their experience of life in the West, and this evil was capped off by one of the most horrific attempts at genocide the world has ever seen. Six million in less than ten years were wiped out, men, women and children, by what was considered one of the most civilized countries in Europe. And the people who carried this out were, in part, motivated by the same conspiracy theories you, EAD and Uglytruth peddle.

This hatred of the Jews is the West’s primary sin, and we have barely begun to seriously repent of it and change, as this debate demonstrates.

That’s why.
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June 25, 2015 6:49pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 6:43 pm

On a completely different note, to any vapers on KB, if you have not yet tried sub ohming, I highly recommend it.

At first glance it looks like you’ve adopted an Eastern religion 🙂
(I can guess what you are on about).
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June 25, 2015 6:51pm
big bruv

Evening D4J, given it is twenty years since the NZ team where beaten by the Boks at the RWC I thought you might be able to tell us all a bit more about the way you out played the great Jock Hobbs.
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June 25, 2015 6:53pm
thedavincimode

nasska

Ordinarily I might have been tempted to reference his mental state to the proximity of his nose to the arse of our greatest ever All Black, but that would never do. It would be a slight on the other gentleman to think that he would tolerate those flared nostrils anywhere near him, let alone to the region in question. It can therefore, only be the toe jam and the shame that someone who scored 4 “touchdowns” playing against ~~Jock~~ Jack Hobbs might feel pandering to the unrealistic expectations of a bunch of grumpy old broilers with blue hair and bricks in their handbags.
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June 25, 2015 6:55pm
nasska

I think Shawn’s probably on the right track using a vapouriser SGA but I remain unconvinced that he’s using the correct herbs in it. 🙂
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June 25, 2015 6:56pm
Shawn Herles

“At first glance it looks like you’ve adopted an Eastern religion”

Heh. Given the origins if Christianity technically I have.

In laymen terms sub ohming just means the coils that vaporize the e-juice are burning extremely hot (below one ohm), and this produces more and better vapor.
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June 25, 2015 6:58pm
Reid

This hatred of the Jews is the West’s primary sin

But who hates Jews Captain Bananas?

I don’t.

I hate Jews who say they are Jews but are not.

Duh.

If Israel was a Holy Nation, why does it treat the Palestinians as it does?

The answer is, it’s not, so it does. It’s founded on lies, by people who worship Satan.

What other answer does your wife or any Anglican clergy offer?

I ask again: If Israel was a Holy Nation, why does it treat the Palestinians as it does?

A wringing of hands that it’s all so tewwible that even a nation with tanks, artillery and nuclear weapons can’t possibly act any way other than it does, in order to pwotect itself against a few million angry people armed with rocks, sticks and a few homemade rockets?

Seriously?

This has never occurred to your wife or yourself?

You need to address those facts Captain Bananas. For facts they are.

Israel has never, not once, ever, shown mercy or capitulation to the people it holds under its boot.

That’s not Godly.

And that’s a fact. Undeniable. Clear and present. Evidenced. Multiple times.

And you can’t deny it, and you can’t answer it.

I can, and do.

But you can’t, and don’t.
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June 25, 2015 6:58pm
Scott Hamilton

In the time you spent typing up that long and very silly comment, Reid, you could have done a couple of google searches and learnt something about the diversity of the writing and other documentation of the Holocaust.

What was unique about the Shiah was the fact that it took place in the heart of Europe, that it involved a vast deployment of resources, including a massive bureaucracy, and that it was pursued with such incredible and terrible rigour.

But few historians would claim that the Shoah was the only genocide committed by humans. There’s an entire periodical, the Journal of Genocide Studies, where scholars publish their research into a range of events, from the German extermination of the Herero to the Rwandan genocide. You must have missed the extensive publicity recently given to the centenary of the Armenian genocide.

There’s a large literature on the suffering of groups like JWs, Romany, gays, and leftists at the hands of Nazism. And there are some superb books that link the Shoah to other genocides, especially in the colonial world – Sven Lindqvist’s Exterminate All the Brutes and Mark Mazower’s Hitler’s Empire are two that come to mind. Films like Bent and Paragraph 175 deal directly with the gays who were put in concentration camps. Primo Levi hardly neglects the scope of Hitler’s holocaust.
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June 25, 2015 7:00pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 6:49 pm

more so than any other minority in the Western world.

The Romani might make a case perhaps?
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June 25, 2015 7:01pm
Shawn Herles

“I think Shawn’s probably on the right track using a vapouriser SGA but I remain unconvinced that he’s using the correct herbs in it. ”

Cosmic Corner sells the Clouper dry herb tank for that very purpose. My e-juice tanks would likely catch fire of I tried burning dry herbs in them.

Not that I would try anything like that of course. 😉
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June 25, 2015 7:01pm
Reid

This hatred of the Jews is the West’s primary sin, and we have barely begun to seriously repent of it and change

That’s your neocon delusion Herles.

No one hates Jews.

Most people hate injustice.

When a Jew does injustice, it doesn’t cleanse it and make it something its not.

Neocons think it does.

Most people know better.
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June 25, 2015 7:01pm
Shawn Herles

“The Romani might make a case perhaps?”

Yup, fair comment SGA.
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June 25, 2015 7:02pm
Griff

Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man,
His enemies say he’s on their land.
They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
He’s criticized and condemned for being alive.
He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin,
He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
He’s wandered the earth an exiled man.
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
He’s always on trial for just being born.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
The bombs were meant for him.
He was supposed to feel bad.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
‘Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

He got no allies to really speak of.
What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love.
He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly.
To hurt one they would weep.
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone,
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
In bed with nobody, under no one’s command.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

What’s anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin’, they say.
He just likes to cause war.
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers?
Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
Running out the clock, time standing still,
Neighborhood bully.

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June 25, 2015 7:03pm
SPC

Reid, what’s with the development of phil u mimicry.
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June 25, 2015 7:04pm
Shawn Herles

“No one hates Jews.”

Do you ever stop to think, “that comment is going to make me look very stupid”???

“When a Jew does injustice, it doesn’t cleanse it and make it something its not.”

So Jews are not human beings, just “its”??? When you refer to other humans as an “it” rather than a “them” it’s a big giveaway that hatred is exactly what is in your mind and heart.

Exposed and nailed by your own words. Again.
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June 25, 2015 7:04pm
nasska

One of Body’s best:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xv6e9lwv1v3l0d5/Conloop%207.png?dl=0
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June 25, 2015 7:10pm
SPC

Shawn, a false charge this time, the operative word was injustice not Jew.
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June 25, 2015 7:15pm
SGA

SPC at 7:04 pm

Reid, what’s with the development of phil u mimicry.

Complete with the “Elmer Fudd” routine!
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June 25, 2015 7:16pm
Shawn Herles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hy-KRS5jCE
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June 25, 2015 7:16pm
mikenmild

I hate Jews who say they are Jews but are not.

I see Reid off on the ‘fake Jews’ theme again.
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June 25, 2015 7:18pm
Shawn Herles

SPC, the sentence can be read either way. Looks like a Freudian slip to me.
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June 25, 2015 7:18pm
SGA

@SPC
“When a Jew does injustice, it doesn’t cleanse it and make it something its not.”
“Injustice” wouldn’t make sense as the first “it”, would it?
If the first “it” is injustice, what’s the second “it” then?
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June 25, 2015 7:18pm
nasska

Followed your link @ 7.16 Shawn. The only time I’ve tried using one was last summer at a barbeque at a friends place. One average size bud was all it took to wipe out three of us…..no coughing, very little smell, no complaints.

http://leaningiyuf.es.tl/volcano-vaporizer-parts-switch.htm
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June 25, 2015 7:31pm
Reid

Fucking dummies:

“When a Jew does injustice, it doesn’t cleanse it and make it something its not.”

When a Jew does injustice, it [the fact the person is a Jew] doesn’t cleanse it [the unjust act] and make it [the unjust act] something it’s not.

No wonder all of you engaging in speculation, get all confused, all the time. You clearly understand very little, if anything, at all.
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June 25, 2015 7:32pm
SPC

SGA, for mine it’s what Reid meant, but I am not so bold as to as to argue either the sense or sensibility of Reid’s line of thought. In any case he is probably willing to elaborate for himself.

7.32.
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June 25, 2015 7:33pm
Dennis Horne

Reid, for what it’s worth, that’s the way I read it. Might have been clearer, though.

Given you seem to be misunderstood. 🙂 🙂 🙂
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June 25, 2015 7:38pm
Shaun the Sheep

And in entertainment news tonight:
Elsewhere in the blogosphere a raging narcissist is throwing his toys out of his cot because someone referred to him as a blog. Evidently the acceptable term is The Blog, and the sycophant army are falling in behind to label the offending mis-namer as pathetic and petty. Is it a full moon?
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June 25, 2015 7:42pm
SPC

Reid, that was how I read it.

I also got the undertone of Jews getting away with things that others, such as white race people burdened by PC, cannot.
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June 25, 2015 7:43pm
Reid

Might have been clearer, though.

It’s perfectly clear from a grammatical perspective Dennis.

When you factor in the obfuscating factor of propaganda, that’s where confusion reigns.

I factored that out of my thinking decades ago and I just talk like people aren’t soaked in it.

Over to those listening to me whether or not they want to hear what I said, or whether they prefer to hear what the propaganda tells them I just said.

Plus of course listen to all the liars whisper in their ears what I just said.

Shocking really some of the liars even claim to be Christians.
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June 25, 2015 7:45pm
Nostradamus

This story is about a commentator called Reid
Who became very upset indeed
When the sheeple hallucinated about what he said
And so yet another Kiwiblog thread
Went the way of the Devil’s weed.

[Over to you Dennis – you’re the undisputed master at this stuff]
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June 25, 2015 7:50pm
Jack5

Re Griff at 3.40 saying about the problems on the West Coast:

…can you please show me any reference to cannabis
at all.

Griff, when I went back to the article I see now it had no reference to cannabis. My apologies.

However, I went to the source for the Hooerald article, and got a couple of extracts for you, of findings of the “thoughts of teenage girls:

Half of the parents are doing drugs and they supply the kids…

We party in homes or in different locations around the town…

People get pressured to drink, take drugs and have sex…

Easy to get weed and party pills, ecstasy is expensive, used to get heaps of K2…

Harder for younger ones to get P, usually older people do it…

It is ok to get drunk/stoned if you are with people you trust…

The West Coast is known in the south as a prime source of marijuana. It’s one of the legacies of the 1960s and 1970s when hippies moved to the Coast. Some of their influences on West Coast life were good. I don’t include within those their introduction of marijuana culture to the Coast.

IMHO, the Coast is living proof that harder drugs and deterioration of society follows widespread tolerance of marijuana.
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June 25, 2015 7:53pm
Dennis Horne

Reid, maybe, but there’s such a thing as being too economical with words. Especially if nobody is expecting it. Or looking for fault.

Anyway, what’s the gist of this peace-pipe thing? You’re not invited into the teepee?
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June 25, 2015 7:53pm
Jack5

Hell, Shawn Herles, re your 7.16 post.

Are you pushing a new type of marijuana use, or just marijuana generally?
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June 25, 2015 8:01pm
Reid

Reid, maybe

It’s called Queen’s English Dennis.

It’s what I always use.

If a liar chooses to lie about them, I leave it up to the perspicacity of those reading the liar’s words to discern.

The fact some don’t speaks volumes about them.
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June 25, 2015 8:04pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old poet Nostradamus
Who appeared in time to disarm us
When it looked like a fight
He asked for a light
And Shawn offered his pipe without fuss
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June 25, 2015 8:04pm
Yvette

$330 million on new cycleways has been announced.

Not a priority, I said, they should flag it.
So now there is a nationwide online competition for suggestions and they are going to hold two referenda 🙂
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June 25, 2015 8:07pm
Jack5

Hell Dennis (8.04) looks like the general debate thread tonight is a marijuana party.

Can’t stand the fumes. Blog on, potheads.

Tuck away this link in case you need it:

https://www.pothelp.org.nz/?gclid=CO_9r-2SqsYCFUNhfgod_PYO7A
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June 25, 2015 8:08pm
SPC

Reidenglishese

“Over to those listening to me whether or not they want to hear what I said, or whether they prefer to hear what the propaganda tells them I just said.

Plus of course listen to all the liars whisper in their ears what I just said.”

We all have an ear, but who has an ear for the discerning of truth when it is heard?

Those who do have the trial of being of a superior level of consciousness to others and thus might struggle to remain humble while educating the others as to the emanation of truth. These others whose faith is led by a false Christ, the one behind Zionism …
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June 25, 2015 8:17pm
Dennis Horne

Herles and Reid: Two men disunited by a common belief.
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June 25, 2015 8:17pm
Reid

Those who do have the trial of being of a superior level of consciousness to others and thus might struggle to remain humble while educating the others as to the emanation of truth.

SPC, FWIW I say what I say without bothering to sugar coat it because I know at the end of the day it will either be a catalyst for further exploration or it won’t. And I don’t have a say in that decision, that’s over to the state of the reader’s mind at the time, combined with their interest therefrom in the imparted data.

And I can’t influence either of those two things.

I’d be kidding myself if I thought that by being on this blog extremely polite or extremely likeable or extremely humble anyone would take anything significant up whereas they wouldn’t if I weren’t any of those things.

I do know of course my style is abrasive, matter of fact, and many times impolite.

So what?

If I was dealing with teaching people to play tiddlywinks, I’d take a different tack.

The material I have to offer is so extreme in terms of people’s normal range of cognition, that it transcends any presentation.

So that’s why I present as I do. Because any other way is a simple waste of words.

Either people want the data or they don’t.

There was a reason BTW why I started using sheeple a lot at the beginning of this year. I’ve been here since 2003, and yet, I’ve only recently started applying that term to the readers here.

It’s a shame people here haven’t asked me why, they might have learned something.

Of course I won’t be telling them now.

But rest assured, there’s always reasons why I do what I do, in the way I do. And emotion doesn’t normally enter into it.
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June 25, 2015 8:30pm
rightoverlabour

Time to organise a rates boycott – Not a complete one, just the ridiculous increases they have proposed. I assume if we lynch the current mob the new ones could reverse the decisions made today? Time to start making the ten that voted for this start feeling very uncomfortable. Suggestions on legal and effective methods to make this mob wish they had never stood for public office, please.
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June 25, 2015 8:31pm
publicwatchdog

errrr…… a handful of GreenPeace protestors somehow manage to suspend themselves and a rather large banner from Parliament.

How on earth does this peaceful protest constitute ‘Eco-terrorism’?

What these peaceful GreenPeace protestors have highlighted is that those responsible for security at Parliament – may need to ‘fine-tune’ their operation?

Think you’ll find that these GreenPeaceful protestors will take full personal responsibility for their actions?

(Unlike some elected representatives, at the highest levels, inside this same Parliamentary building?)

Had some protestors done the same thing with a banner that had been critical of the former Helen Clark led Labour Government – would some of you Kiwibloggers had the same view as to how they should be treated?

I doubt it.

Just saying….

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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June 25, 2015 8:32pm
rightoverlabour

And on another pet hate of mine – motorway onramp traffic lights. I saw a member of the Gestapo stopping cars that he assumed had ignored the lights. He was standing about 100m down from the traffic lights. I assume he could testify in court that he could actually see that the light was red that the cars went through? Must have amazing powers to see through the back of traffic lights. Mean time criminals run amok knowing the Gestapo branch of the Police are otherwise occupied. (Motorway traffic lights are stupid – and no one will ever convince me they do anything except cause chaos off the motorways)
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June 25, 2015 8:38pm
Dennis Horne

http://www.spectator.co.uk/books/9563792/was-genghis-khan-the-cruellest-man-who-ever-lived/

Book review. Genghis Kahn killed 40 million late 12 early 13 century. No gas.
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June 25, 2015 8:40pm
SGA

Reid at 7:32 pm

You clearly understand very little, if anything, at all.

I will cheerfully acknowledge that you remain a mystery to me.
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June 25, 2015 8:40pm
Sponge

For the first time in as long as I can remember I actually read one of Penny’s posts (because it was short – take note Penny).

God, she talks an absolute load of shit doesn’t she?
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June 25, 2015 8:41pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

List of Sixty Traitors in U.S. Senate Who Voted to Advance Obama’s Secret TPP |

23 June 2015 | U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 114th Congress – 1st Session as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Concur in the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to H.R. 2146 )

YEAs —60 Alexander (R-TN) Ayotte (R-NH) Barrasso (R-WY) Bennet (D-CO) Blunt (R-MO) Boozman (R-AR) Burr (R-NC) Cantwell (D-WA) Capito (R-WV) Carper (D-DE) Cassidy (R-LA) Coats (R-IN) Cochran (R-MS) Coons (D-DE) Cornyn (R-TX) Cotton (R-AR) Crapo (R-ID) Daines (R-MT) Enzi (R-WY) Ernst (R-IA) Feinstein (D-CA) Fischer (R-NE) Flake (R-AZ) Gardner (R-CO) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Heitkamp (D-ND) Heller (R-NV) Hoeven (R-ND) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (R-WI) Kaine (D-VA) Kirk (R-IL) Lankford (R-OK) McCain (R-AZ) McCaskill (D-MO) McConnell (R-KY) Moran (R-KS) Murkowski (R-AK) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Perdue (R-GA) Portman (R-OH) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS) Rounds (R-SD) Rubio (R-FL) Sasse (R-NE) Scott (R-SC) Shaheen (D-NH) Sullivan (R-AK) Thune (R-SD) Tillis (R-NC) Toomey (R-PA) Vitter (R-LA) Warner (D-VA) Wicker (R-MS) Wyden (D-OR).

Barack Obama given fast-track authority over ‘trade’ deal negotiations | 24 June 2015 | Barack Obama was given the authority he has long sought to expedite negotiations for a massive trade corporate takeover deal with countries on the Pacific rim, propelling the US toward a landmark agreement that, both proponents and critics agree, will reshape the global economy. The Republican-controlled Senate finally passed legislation on Wednesday that gives the president the power to “fast-track” negotiations with the 11 other countries party to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

The vote, which passed 60-38, was a significant victory for multinational corporations which have been lobbying hard for a trade agreement expected to lower tariffs and create new [de]regulations for sectors as diverse as agriculture, banking and the pharmaceutical industry.
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How is NZ Prime Minister John Key not significantly ‘conflicted’ in promoting the TPPA – when he is a shareholder in the Bank of America – which stands to benefit from the TPPA?

Whose ‘National’ interest is NZ Prime Minister John Key serving?

New Zealand’s or the U$A?

Penny Bright
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June 25, 2015 8:41pm
Dennis Horne

Seen THIS, Penny. OOPS!
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June 25, 2015 8:43pm
nasska

….”extremely polite or extremely likeable or extremely humble anyone would take anything significant up whereas they wouldn’t if I weren’t any of those things”….

Reckon you’re wrong there Reid. Those who agree with you will continue to do so….unlike those absolutely opposed. Those unconvinced are your target readers & if you don’t want to convert them to your way of thinking then what the Hell are you doing bothering with commenting?

Think back on those who have had some coherent thoughts but failed totally to get the message out because of a contentious abusive stance…..PhilU, Baity & the Public Watchdog are prime examples.

Why risk joining them?
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June 25, 2015 8:47pm
publicwatchdog

Don’t you believe in New Zealanders’ lawful right to peaceful protest Sponge?

BTW – good to see you’re reading and commenting upon my considered opinion – that you choose to disagree with – as is your right 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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June 25, 2015 8:48pm
Awww C-mon

Our interest Penny, the TPP will be good for NZ.

Guess the Auckland rates shambles doesn’t effect you does it? 10% on top of nothing is still nothing huh
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June 25, 2015 8:49pm
OneTrack

An article on the NBR site tells us that taxpayer funding for Maori TV is being used to send two reporters on a junket to the middle east to participate in a protest marine blockade run into Gaza.

Can a lefty tell me why we all need to be taxed more so it can be thrown away on this sort of stuff? I thought Maori TV was to support Maori culture, not support John Minto’s hard-left causes. At least we now know they have more funding than they need to cover maori issues. Time for an audit – what else are they throwing money away on.
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June 25, 2015 8:49pm
Nostradamus

Penny:

How is NZ Prime Minister John Key not significantly ‘conflicted’ in promoting the TPPA – when he is a shareholder in the Bank of America – which stands to benefit from the TPPA?

Once again you trot out this line.

Please tell us:

1. How many BoA shares John Key holds
2. The total number of BoA shares on issue
3. The number of BoA shares John Key holds as a percentage of the total number of BoA shares on issue
4. Why you think the percentage value in 3 (which I suspect is a very low percentage) results in John Key having a material personal interest in BoA matters.

Then, for bonus points, please explain precisely how BoA “stands to benefit” from a TPAA that hasn’t even been finalised.
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June 25, 2015 8:51pm
OneTrack

publicwatchdog – Seen this Kiwibloggers?

List of Sixty Traitors in U.S. Senate Who Voted to Advance Obama’s Secret TPP |”

You don’t seem to have included Obama himself on your list of traitors. Why would that be?
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June 25, 2015 8:58pm
publicwatchdog

Sheesh you’re a dag Nasska!

I’M contentious and abusive?

errr …. NO.

I’m a regular contributor to Kiwiblog – where I express opinions to which a number of you hold a different view.

Pity a few more of you haven’t yet grasped the sophistication of ‘issue by issue’ politics?

It’s quite liberating.

Took me about 50 years to ‘get it’ …….

Trying to help others ‘fast forward’ the ‘getting it’ bit.

The concept is quite simple.

If you work on ‘issue by issue’ politics – you will find that on some issues you will agree.

You don’t have to hate, or personally attack those with whom you don’t agree on some issues.

Either ‘agree to disagree’ – park your your differences – or try having a civilised debate?

Pretty basic really – it’s called ‘freedom of expression’.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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June 25, 2015 9:04pm
EAD

Well done Reid for standing up to what can best be described as cowardly trolls. It’s noticeable whereas you and I try and debate with intellectual honesty, their raison d’etre is always slander, obfuscation and lies.

The reason the whole “holocaust” narrative needs critically examined and debated with some honesty is because it is used to push a broader agenda (whites are genocidal racists, right wing parties are evil, whites must repent for past sins yadayadayada) that is destroying European nations. Like the “global warming” debate, the labels thrown around, tactics used and type of anger directed at people who critically examine the subject should cause a neutral observer to question the motives for suppressing debate.

I presented my case of what actually happened yesterday (and to clear things up I did admit their was a holocaust against the Jews) so I’m not going to repeat it but as a starting point, I recommend Dr Nicholas Kollerstram’s excellent book “breaking the spell”. He shows, with evidence the following facts

– Zyklon B applied in delousing chambers formed chemical compounds detectable to this day. No such compounds can be found, but ought to be expected, in the claimed homicidal gas chambers.
– The UK’s intelligence decrypts prove that the German camp authorities were desperately trying to save their inmates’ lives.
– “Six Million Jews threatened or killed”: read 167 quotes from newspapers with that “news” spanning from 1900 to 1945, with a peak after World War ONE! Yes, one, not two!
Germany has paid compensation to millions of Nazi victims, and Israel has implicitly admitted that many million Jews survived the Holocaust.
– A British archaeological team looked for traces of the claimed 800,000 victims of the Treblinka camp—and came back empty-handed.

MM and Shaun in your bouts of histrionics, always remember that the truth does not fear investigation.
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June 25, 2015 9:13pm
publicwatchdog

How is it right for the Prime Minister of New Zealand to openly hold shares in ANY company?

If John Key was the Prime Minister of Australia – this would not be lawful.

New Zealand ‘perceived’ to be the SECOND ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (according to the 2014 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

What a joke!

New Zealand – which hasn’t yet ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption, doesn’t have an Independent Commission Against Corruption, and has a Government which doesn’t want to outlaw all ‘facilitation payments’ as BRIBES?

In light of the unravelling revelations of the increasingly SORDID Saudi ‘sheep gate’ – no surprises there?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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June 25, 2015 9:20pm
Awww C-mon

Penny,

Can answer the questions? Nostradamus they are great questions.

You would not be happy if I went around saying ” penny bright doesn’t want the tpp to go through as her financial backers the council of trade unions are paying her to spread lies about its real effects ” . You would demand I prove myself to clear your good name, yet you slander JK consistently offering no proof at all.

This one of many reasons you are considered a joke
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June 25, 2015 9:24pm
Sponge

Awww C-mon

All she has got is bullshit, bluster and intentional misunderstanding. She won’t answer any serious questions because she can’t provide a coherent argument to back her answers up.

She is an utter hypocrite as she never asks any of her inane questions of poli’s who are left leaning.
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June 25, 2015 9:32pm
Yvette

Penny, what do you think of the Council vote today – those who supported Brown because Town had scared them stupid of the consequences if the vote didn’t go through, and those beholden to Brown for being where they are on various committees.
Voting for any reason other than the good of those they supposedly represent.
How corrupt was that?
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June 25, 2015 9:36pm
Sponge

Sadly I have slumped into the gutter and seen this stupid comment from Penny

“How is it right for the Prime Minister of New Zealand to openly hold shares in ANY company?”

So this woman believes that anyone who owns shares in “ANY” company should be disqualified from being a PM (and presumably any public office). That leaves us with those who have nothing to invest into the economy and no interest in its success running the show. Can anyone see the problem with that?
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June 25, 2015 9:42pm
Ryan Sproull

The reason the whole “holocaust”-denial narrative needs critically examined and debated with some honesty is because it is used to push a broader agenda

Fixed that for you.
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June 25, 2015 9:45pm
Awww C-mon

JK puts all his affairs into a blind trust so he can’t be accused of lining his pockets

penny and her mates scream “he has a blind trust! What kind of monster makes money from the visually impaired”
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June 25, 2015 9:50pm
SGA

EAD at 9:13 pm

I recommend Dr Nicholas Kollerstram’s excellent book “breaking the spell”.

Is this the same man who wrote this –
“Let us hope the schoolchildren visitors are properly taught about the elegant swimming-pool at Auschwitz, built by the inmates, who would sunbathe there on Saturday and Sunday afternoons while watching the water-polo matches; and shown the paintings from its art class, which still exist; and told about the camp library which had some forty-five thousand volumes for inmates to choose from, plus a range of periodicals; and the six camp orchestras at Auschwitz/Birkenau, its theatrical performances, including a children’s opera, the weekly camp cinema, and even the special brothel established there. Let’s hope they are shown postcards written from Auschwitz, some of which still exist, where the postman would collect the mail twice-weekly. Thus the past may not always be quite, as we were told.”
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June 25, 2015 10:18pm
Tauhei Notts

Reid at 8.04 made reference to the Queen’s English.
When Grant Robertson talks it is, of course, the Queens’ English.
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June 25, 2015 10:32pm
SGA

For Shawn Herles (it’s late and not much is happening)
Sweet Home Alabama – an original version live.
Trivia – Lead singer Ronnie van Zant, sassy back-up singer Cassie Gaines, and her brother, guitarist Steve Gaines, were killed probably a few months after this in a plane crash.
ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsDa9_HSlA
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June 25, 2015 11:10pm
laworder

Reid wrote

Israel is run by evil people. It was founded by evil people. The evil people deliberately allowed Hitler to do what he did to the European Jews in order to encourage them to populate Israel after the war. The evil people set Israel up because they are going to destroy it. Then they can turn to the people of the world and say: look, your God doesn’t exist, or if He does, He’s obviously not very good at being God, because He just stood aside and let his own people be destroyed. Now here is our lovely peacemaker, who some wicked people call the anti-Christ, but he’s really not that at all, and look at how he brought world peace, after all that conflict, during which, in part, Israel was destroyed.

And the evil people are doing this because they are working for their king, who happens to be Satan.

None of this makes Jews evil. It makes the people who commit evil acts in their name, evil.

This is a clear and obvious distinction no-one but a moron would have trouble understanding.

Up to this point I have given Reid the benefit of the doubt, and thought that he might just have an “unusual” take on things that is outside the norm, but not completely implausible or crazy….. until I read this.

I now know Shaun and others are right beyond all reasonable doubt.

Regards
Peter J
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June 26, 2015 1:58am
UglyTruth

I now know Shaun and others are right beyond all reasonable doubt.

Shawn is a liar. If you believe what he says without applying critical thinking you are at risk of developing serious mental health issues.

I’d be a bit cautious about applying the “evil” tag to Netanyahu and his ilk, criminally insane might be a better description. Also Reid didn’t distinguish between true Israel and the criminal syndicate which currently runs the state of Israel.

Some history of the state of Israel is probably in order. Netanyahu’s Likud party has it’s origins in terrorism, betrayal, and massacre.

“It is not simply that Ariel Sharon and company are a bunch of hypocrites or political amnesiacs about the past. More importantly, the Irgun, led by Menahem Begin, the Stern Group and Lehi, its successor, went on to form the Herut party, forerunner of the Likud party, and the ultra right-wing Moledet party, which form the main coalition partners of the Sharon’s government. The gang of former generals, ultra-nationalists and religious bigots that run Israel today are the political heirs of terrorists who furthermore had close connections with the fascists.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/06/irae-j21.html

“The King David Hotel explosion of July 22, 1946 (Palestine), which resulted in the deaths of 92 Britons, Arabs and Jews, and in the wounding of 58, was not just an act of “Jewish extremists,” but a premeditated massacre conducted by the Irgun in agreement with the highest Jewish political authorities in Palestine– the Jewish Agency and its head David-Ben-Gurion.”

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/kd.html

“This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called Zionism “the work of Satan”, “a sacrilege” and “a blasphemy”. He forbade any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands. ”

http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman
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June 26, 2015 4:02am
Grant

What a wonderfully entertaining evening!

All three of the triumvirate of tragic madmen have appeared to regale us with their fantasies , and then to harangue us for not believing them.
Great stuff. Thanks so much guys.

I don’t know if you take requests, but tomorrow, if you could possibly spare the time, could you tell us again about how Prince William is the anti – Christ? That’s always a good one.

Yours
G
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June 26, 2015 5:11am
Manolo

The Messiah’s law rules the land:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_SUBSIDIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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June 26, 2015 7:54am
UglyTruth

I don’t know about him being the antichrist but he’s not Charles’ son.

“And then we have to look at Prince Charles’ children. Now it’s well known that Prince Harry is not Prince Charles’ son. Prince Harry is James Hewitt’s son. And what’s not so much acknowledged is that Prince William is not Prince Charles’ son either. Prince William is the son of King Juan Carlos of Spain and they both married incredibly similar looking women. Princess Diana used to go on private cruises with King Juan Carlos and that was how she got pregnant to him.”

http://www.whale.to/c/No5hallett.html
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